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Title: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Starrunner on August 06, 2014, 02:54:25 AM
I seem unable to get AROS Vision to run inside of Win-UAE.  I tried following the setup steps for it from the AROS Vision page, but it just sits there and mocks me by doing nothing.  Any tips?  Do I need smacked upside the head?  Any thoughts appreciated.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Starrunner;770401
I seem unable to get AROS Vision to run inside of Win-UAE. I tried following the setup steps for it from the AROS Vision page, but it just sits there and mocks me by doing nothing. Any tips? Do I need smacked upside the head? Any thoughts appreciated.
Me too!  Help!!!
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 09:30:48 AM
If I choose 3.1 rom it loads up stuff in through the cli and then I get a wavy yellow screen...
 
if I use AROS replacement rom I just get a blank screen.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
you need to reference aros roms in your configuration. they which should be included somewhere with the distribution. there are two files:
main rom file - aros-amiga-m68k-rom.bin
and extended rom file - aros-amiga-m68k-ext.bin
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 10:03:31 AM
Ah - that would explain the AROS rom issue.
 
I have now got it to boot with 3.1 by removing all the DOS drivers but strangley WINUAE keeps resetting the memory allocated?
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
if you want to softboot from amiga roms, you can.but you need to edit the aros startup sequence.

 include:

boot/amiga/AROSBootstrap ROM boot/amiga/aros.hunk.gz

at tha beginnimg of the s-s, before setpatch
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: Starrunner;770401
I seem unable to get AROS Vision to run inside of Win-UAE.  I tried following the setup steps for it from the AROS Vision page, but it just sits there and mocks me by doing nothing.  Any tips?  Do I need smacked upside the head?  Any thoughts appreciated.

I might know the problem...

I tried to install it on a older notebook but only got a black screen and just solved it. I use it on a notebook with 1280x720 and it seems that it not boots if that screenmode is not supported.

Solution: Delete screenmode.prefs

Sys:Prefs/env-archive/sys

then boot it and select a new screenmode, f.e. 1024x768. Then reboot and it should work

you can reach screenmode prefs in menu (rightclick)
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: Havie;770413
If I choose 3.1 rom it loads up stuff in through the cli and then I get a wavy yellow screen...
 
if I use AROS replacement rom I just get a blank screen.

I had setup this manual. It seems that it is partly not up-to-date now (I did it some time ago) but it could give at least hints

http://www.aros-platform.de/html/winuae_config.html
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 11:47:10 AM
if there is no mouse pointer visible, set hardware sprite emulation on.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 12:27:32 PM
Got it working ok - still booting 3.1 but not edited startup sequence.  Once it began to boot (following deletion of DOS stuff) it locked into an infiinte reboot.  Then I was able to set the memory correctly and it booted.  Once I'd set the RTG memory to 64meg all was fine.  Didn't seem to like more than this though.
 
Will continue to play around with it and the AROS replacement rom.
 
This set up looiks like a likely replacement for my programming set up (which I messed up trying to install Blitz 3.5 and ADF my Flappy Bird game).
 
One problem I have had is I can't run AB3DII from WHDload (I have a key registered to me) as is comes up with an error - Can't allocate Expmem.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 12:36:27 PM
what do you mean with booting 3.1? if you are not booting with aros roms and neither load aros rom after booting with 3.1 then you are still running aos. but possibly aros vision startup-sequence already contains the line i have posted.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: Havie;770433
Got it working ok - still booting 3.1 but not edited startup sequence.  Once it began to boot (following deletion of DOS stuff) it locked into an infiinte reboot.  Then I was able to set the memory correctly and it booted.  Once I'd set the RTG memory to 64meg all was fine.  Didn't seem to like more than this though.
 
Will continue to play around with it and the AROS replacement rom.
 
This set up looiks like a likely replacement for my programming set up (which I messed up trying to install Blitz 3.5 and ADF my Flappy Bird game).
 
One problem I have had is I can't run AB3DII from WHDload (I have a key registered to me) as is comes up with an error - Can't allocate Expmem.  Any ideas?


I use much more RAM than 64 MB so it should have no problem. Use rom replacements how Wawa said. I am even surprised that it boots with original roms at all but it will not work fully then. WHDLoad works perfectly, you need the key in S and the roms from f.e. Amigaforever

Description here:
http://www.aros-platform.de/html/howto.html
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
Definietly booting with a 3.1 rom is this wrong?  Does AROS only work properly with AROS rom as it seems ok to me?
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Havie;770438
Definietly booting with a 3.1 rom is this wrong?  Does AROS only work properly with AROS rom as it seems ok to me?


I cannot say if it works properly with 3.1. Rom but it is designed for Aros rom
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Have located AROS rom and ext  in Boot but when I choose these roms it doesn't boot!:confused:
 
I was under the impression that the AROS rom was a replacement for the Amiga rom and that AROS Vision is a combination of Wanderer etc. and is is a replacement for Workbench (and the rom didn't matter too much?).
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: Havie;770440
Have located AROS rom and ext  in Boot but when I choose these roms it doesn't boot!:confused:
 
I was under the impression that the AROS rom was a replacement for the Amiga rom and that AROS Vision is a combination of Wanderer etc. and is is a replacement for Workbench (and the rom didn't matter too much?).

Aros Vision uses Magellan as desktop (not Wanderer). It needs the rom replacements to work properly. It is replacing Workbench but you cannot simply f.e. install wanderer on 3.1. and use it instead of Workbench. You can (in many cases) use 68k components on Aros 68k though.

You say it does not boot? What exactly happens? Have you deleted screenmode.prefs already? The problem with screenmode happens if you install it on a netbook/notebook with low resolutions

I use Winuae 2.6.1. Which version do you use?
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
Have tried deleting screenmode prefs but makes no difference, just hangs on a blank screen.
 
I am using the same version of WinUAE and running it on a Core2Duo desktop with 4gb of memory.
 
Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 01:27:13 PM
I have pm you a link to my working uae config file. Theoretically you can use it and must only adapt paths (including paths to roms) and perhaps graphic and sound drivers
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 01:52:27 PM
That's great thank you .  Am out and about at the moment back will have a look later.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
@Havie

i dont know what are you doing there. either you want to boot to aros, then follow my instructions, or you want to boot to anything you happen to boot then continue as previous..

@olaf
i would download the distribution just to check, but cant find the damn link, the page is a nightmare.. google points me here:
http://www.natami-news.de/html/distribution_download.html
and when i copy the link i am again by google which points me back to where i was..
its like kafka.. i hve asked so many times to fix this and have a straight clear front download page.. im to tired to repeat this..
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
i went to amiga-news.de news page
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2014-08-00013-DE.html
which pointed me to that broken download page again
and then noticed a small link down the news item
http://www.aros-platform.de/downloads/Aros_Vision.zip

downloading now...

is there a reason it must be hidden and only accessible via third party links????
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;770449
i went to amiga-news.de news page
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2014-08-00013-DE.html
which pointed me to that broken download page again
and then noticed a small link down the news item
http://www.aros-platform.de/downloads/Aros_Vision.zip

downloading now...

is there a reason it must be hidden and only accessible via third party links????

Yes... there was someone claiming that I spread a trojan that installs when someone clicks on the link. I do not believe that at all but to avoid any claims of that sort again I removed any direct link. There is a link from main page to download page but not a direct download link.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 03:02:32 PM
i dont understand this, you provide a download but dont want to link to it to avoid responsibility? i dont get how this is gonna work..

back on subject, aros vision startup-sequence contains this first line:
boot/AROSBootstrap ROM boot/aros.hunk.gz  

this explains why aros vision boots from 3.1 roms without modifications, thats fine, but

aros.hunk.gz in boot subdir is 538.289 big and from 21.06, while
aros.hunk.gz in boot/amiga subdir (where nightly roms are currently stored) is 538.337 big and from 07.07

any reason aros vision while soft booting references these old roms?

id suggest to remove all files from the boot directory except for subdirs, and change scripts to point to currently standard boot/amiga dir.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
Thanks for the config file Olaf - it works!  Doesn't like too much memory though so will need some tweaking and certainly isn't working with the setting as suggested from the download page.
 
Have realised that if I want to use it as a Blitz development environment then RTG is out so having to run at PAL highres.  Laced produces unreadable text so runnning hires laced is out at the moment.
 
Did compile and run my version of Flappy Bird so happy enough.
 
Thanks for all your help and I think I'm going to enjoy getting used to AROS although I don't think I'm brave enough to try it on my real 030 1200 - yet!
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 09:11:28 PM
highres laced should be perfectly readable on uae. it does not even flicker.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;770469
highres laced should be perfectly readable on uae. it does not even flicker.
Works for other hd setups I have but for some reason on the AROS one it is unreadable. If you would like, I could post a screen shot?
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 10:41:42 PM
Sorry - being thick. It wasn't highres interlace that was the problem but superhires interlace!  Realised that I needed to turn on superhires option in WinUAE and now all clear. Can obviously run in 256 colours no problem. Much better screen space for programming.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 10:41:55 PM
yes, please.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Starrunner on August 06, 2014, 10:48:17 PM
I got as far as it loading to a CLI screen, but it goes no farther than that.  I double checked everything and as far as I can tell I set it up as close as I can get to the instructions I had found.  I am on an Athlon 64 @ 2.0GHz, and WinUAE 2.8.1.  Thanks for the replies so far gang, and as always, suggestions/help/locations for looney bins appreciated.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Starrunner;770490
I got as far as it loading to a CLI screen, but it goes no farther than that.  I double checked everything and as far as I can tell I set it up as close as I can get to the instructions I had found.  I am on an Athlon 64 @ 2.0GHz, and WinUAE 2.8.1.  Thanks for the replies so far gang, and as always, suggestions/help/locations for looney bins appreciated.


I have send you the link to my config-file (PM). When you adapt the paths and graphic card/sound card it should work. I use 2.6.1 but I think 2.8 works too
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: Havie on August 06, 2014, 10:59:02 PM
Now AB3DII works - yeah!  It's not bad at a decent speed but still not a patch on the first one (shame about the bloby pixels - will we ever see a 1x1 mode?)
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Havie;770488
Sorry - being thick. It wasn't highres interlace that was the problem but superhires interlace!  Realised that I needed to turn on superhires option in WinUAE and now all clear. Can obviously run in 256 colours no problem. Much better screen space for programming.


One tip, I have created a filetype for amiblitz source-files, that means if you right-click on a source-file icon you can compile it without IDE. There are two versions of amiblitz included, including 3.6.1
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: OlafS3 on August 06, 2014, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: Havie;770488
Sorry - being thick. It wasn't highres interlace that was the problem but superhires interlace!  Realised that I needed to turn on superhires option in WinUAE and now all clear. Can obviously run in 256 colours no problem. Much better screen space for programming.


RTG should work too. If you right-click the mouse you get the menu on the title bar and there you find screenmode in prefs (or you get there the normal way). There should be a lot of RTG modes. Amiblitz IDE does not work on RTG? I have tested it there and all seemed fine.
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 06, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: Starrunner;770490
I got as far as it loading to a CLI screen, but it goes no farther than that.  I double checked everything and as far as I can tell I set it up as close as I can get to the instructions I had found.  I am on an Athlon 64 @ 2.0GHz, and WinUAE 2.8.1.  Thanks for the replies so far gang, and as always, suggestions/help/locations for looney bins appreciated.


have you perhaps edited your startup-sequence using a windows editor? if yes it rendered it unreadable for amiga/aros under uae due to different line feed. always edit amiga scripts under amiga or aros68k
Title: Re: Getting AROS Vision to run in Win-UAE
Post by: wawrzon on August 08, 2014, 12:32:26 PM
has this now helped anything or not?