It's true! Apple go x86!!!! :-o

[T_Bone]

whabang wrote:
If this isn't the final nail in the coffin of the PPC-market, then I don't know what...

http://www.mai.com/

The final nail. :-(

[billt]

I think this will hurt Apple in the short term, but might be okay in the long term. It'll also be the final nail for the OS4 line. I'm sure Hyperion are smacking their heads for not writing OS4 for the the Intel/AMD chips. Oh well.

Yup. I bet Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are thinking the same thing. Doh! Apple dumped PPC, our game consoles are doomed! Cisco will surely have to change the CPU used in their networking equipment too! Man, all those companies got royally screwed by Apple!!!


Back to reality... "Huh?" In the grand scheme of things, Apple is a relatively small player in PPC land. They're the publically known one. They're the desktop general purpose computer one. But in terms of number of all PPC chips sold, they're relatively small percentage. Freescale is already moving G4 into embedded systems-centric packaging. IBM is putting their PPCs into game consoles. There is a shift that has been underway already for a long time, yes, but it has been underway for a long time already.

This isn't the end for PPC based Amigas. It's the end for PPC based Macs, which already aren't part of our market. I don't see doom and gloom here. Perhaps easier to get chips. Perhaps new opportunities. But and end of Amiga or Eyetech or Hyperion due to Apple's CPU choices? Nah.

[itix]

I've heard "This will piss the developers off" but in light of the fact they'll probably resell a bunch of their software, this will probably be offset.

It seems they prepared to switch long ago and now it was right time to do it. Transition is also less painful than original 68k->PPC transition. Original MacOS 68k was piece of sh1t, and while MacOS PPC was only faster piece of sh1t - they got it right with OSX. Now switching from PPC to X86 is lot easier.

[Argo]

x86 Macs will still look cool and they will still have the same OS running on them. Unless you are a developer, there is no downside. Even then - can you complain about a better market share?

I wonder how they are going to control the hardware so only MacOS X will run on their X86 Macs. Some of the other postings that I have read today say the these X86 Macs don't have OpenFirmware.

Argo wrote:

x86 Macs will still look cool and they will still have the same OS running on them. Unless you are a developer, there is no downside. Even then - can you complain about a better market share?

I wonder how they are going to control the hardware so only MacOS X will run on their X86 Macs. Some of the other postings that I have read today say the these X86 Macs don't have OpenFirmware.

It doesn't matter, Mac-On-Linux will now run x86 OSX VERY soon! :evilgrin:

[lillPiP]

Well, Wouldn't it be smart for Microsoft to jump on the PPC-technology now and start to write a OS that can be run on any PPC-based motherboard? Making own os/program to the x86 they already can and making own program to the PPC they also can, so making a OS for the PPC shouldn't be so difficult for them?!
Where Apple leaves the PPC-customers, Microsoft could continue to support them?

Yeah I know, I don't like Microsoft either, but hey! I really need that PC for surfing the web and for example making cds easy.

[strobe]

glitch wrote:
Jobs is a freaking idiot.

He had no choice. IBM can't or won't deliver.

There is no 3+Ghz Desktop. There is no G5 laptop. IBM doesn't care: they own the console market.

Apple will take a HUGE cut in hardware sales in the interim. I'll be waiting for the first Intel PowerBook.

Bitter pill this is. :inquisitive:

[strobe]

nagaflas wrote:
Looks to be the case. Without Apple's commitment to the PPC, we may as well consider it dead, because they will never make enough Morph boxes to sustain the Power PC.

Don't be ridiculous. There will be more PowerPCs sold in the next two years than ever before!

Better yet just port MorphOS to one or all of the next-gen consoles.

[T_Bone]

mdma wrote:

Argo wrote:

x86 Macs will still look cool and they will still have the same OS running on them. Unless you are a developer, there is no downside. Even then - can you complain about a better market share?

I wonder how they are going to control the hardware so only MacOS X will run on their X86 Macs. Some of the other postings that I have read today say the these X86 Macs don't have OpenFirmware.

It doesn't matter, Mac-On-Linux will now run x86 OSX VERY soon! :evilgrin:

VMWare support would be the cat's ass!

T_Bone wrote:

mdma wrote:

Argo wrote:

x86 Macs will still look cool and they will still have the same OS running on them. Unless you are a developer, there is no downside. Even then - can you complain about a better market share?

I wonder how they are going to control the hardware so only MacOS X will run on their X86 Macs. Some of the other postings that I have read today say the these X86 Macs don't have OpenFirmware.

It doesn't matter, Mac-On-Linux will now run x86 OSX VERY soon! :evilgrin:

VMWare support would be the cat's ass!

Nahh, it would be the dog's bollocks! ;-)

[SHADES]

@all

I hate to spread fear but I'm a little worried!

How the heck do Apple expect to compete for the desktop market share of x86 opperating systems!. They will be in direct competition for the same userbase as Microsoft now.

Apple could loose ther entire system this way as people may deside they get more performance, functionality and ability from Windows than they would on their Mac.
Sure the hardware will become cheaper, but also, ALL Apples software will need to get compiled to run on x86 and that means, it may as well get ported to Windows!!!! Well it's more than likely it will get ported. I know ProTools "The Audio industry standard" software already has a windows port.

This could be a very dark hour for Apple but what does it now mean for AMIGA OS??
Won't we need a chipset for CEL to make a new hardware mainboard compatible with PCI. Who's going to design up one of those!. IBM have already stated they will make a new desktop Pc around CEL but it's going to be niche, like for graphics specialist houses etc. Sounds realy custom to me and we all know that custom is expensive and generally non standard hardware.

Sorry for the dark tones here, I'm just worried, I really want an AMIGA desktop PC and I really only want to use AMIGA OS, not Windows and not Apple and I want it as a viable soultion $$$ wise and future driven. Everyone can now re-assure me please

[strobe]

mdma wrote:
Well, WINE will be an easy port to these machines at least. :-)

WINE was ported to Darwin a long time ago.

/Darwine project member

[amigean]

one word:

AROS, AROS, AROS!

[gizz72]

Greetings,

Intel based Amigas doesn't sound bad either. I'm just wondering if PPC based hardware would die a slow death?

Regards,

GiZz72

[ottomobiehl]

I think I would still prefer a cell based Amiga.

[HotRod]

@joemango

If I buy a PC everybody will know what it is. If I buy a Mac most people will know what it is but some might think that less of me because of that.

If I buy an A1 noone will know what it's except for a few. Do I care? No I don't. I use it because I like it. For those who like to be lead like sheeps doing what "everybody else" does, go ahead but don't talk down those who got the brains to make up their own mind.