blender benchmarks

[pVC]

I'll bite, what is (hardware wise) Amiga compatible about the A1X1K?

Exactly the same as with Mac with MorphOS. Nothing in hardware wise, but AmigaOS compatible operating system running on it. Nobody should look into hardware naming these days, only operating system compatibilities and quality of the hardware matter.

[zylesea]

I think those benchmarks are perfectly demonstrating where PPC hardware is going today.

Well, PA6T is not a cpu of today, but a few years old. Was intended to replace G4 processors in energy efficebt systems. So it fits. Similar speed with invcreased I/O performance. A good competitor to teh 864x processor range. Anyway, it is a processor of yesteryear.
Generally PowerPC stil has some nice chips in the pipeline, Freescale's rediscovering of Altivec is pretty nice. The downside: it's expensive and there are no mainbaods available using these quite interesting and competetive chips. Also one of their strengthes is being multicore, which again requires according support by the OS which come at a cost - be it SMP (compability) or AMP (rather low benefit for non AMP apps).

All in all you are of course right: ppc on the desktop is currently "difficult" to say the least. Hence my hopes you'll follow an approch similar like I outlined/dreamed about on http://via.i-networx.de/q86.htm .

[wawrzon]

But this thread suddenly got very silent.

no wonder, as i was going to post pirus blender comparison chart over there i had discover that i had been restricted for a week. not that i didnt expect that after kas1e and me responded to the unbelievable moderation rants here:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35009&forum=33&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0

[takemehomegrandma]

This is why i'd be rather curious to see the result of the benchmark i suggested:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35053&forum=33&start=240&viewmode=flat&order=0#650877

But this thread suddenly got very silent.

Yes, very strange...?

Would be one of the most interesting benchmarks IMHO!

[wawrzon]

@fab:

btw heres your result, just seen it posted over at awnet:

Here the result from the X1000.

BENCHMARKs: VC: 82.849s VO: 0.006s A: 0.000s Sys: 6.697s = 89.552s
BENCHMARK%: VC: 92.5151% VO: 0.0062% A: 0.0000% Sys: 7.4787% = 100.0000%

so its again confirming the previous tests.

sigh, i hoped the ban will keep me off there, but it doesnt seem to work that way..

[takemehomegrandma]

Generally PowerPC stil has some nice chips in the pipeline, Freescale's rediscovering of Altivec is pretty nice.

Nobody is building desktop/laptop motherboards using these CPU's, so they are completely irrelevant. For all purposes interesting to us, the PPC is dead. It's deader than dead. On its grave stone, it has the year 2005 cut in, and this is when Apple announced its migration to x86...

[commodorejohn]

Nobody is building desktop/laptop motherboards using these CPU's, so they are completely irrelevant. For all purposes interesting to us, the PPC is dead. It's deader than dead. On its grave stone, it has the year 2005 cut in, and this is when Apple announced its migration to x86...

Nobody's building desktop/laptop motherboards with them at the moment. That's unlikely to change in the immediate future, but the industry can take surprising turns some times. In any case, the CPUs do exist.

Anyway, this from a guy with a MOS avatar?

[takemehomegrandma]

no wonder, as i was going to post pirus blender comparison chart over there i had discover that i had been restricted for a week. not that i didnt expect that after kas1e and me responded to the unbelievable moderation rants here:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35009&forum=33&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0

LOL, appointing that ChrisH dude a moderator was probably the dumbest thing I have seen over there in a long time! But they have only themselves to blame, they brought this onto themselves! :lol:

(And for the record, true SMP on Amiga is *not* possible without breaking Amiga compatibility. If you are prepared to break the Amiga compatibility, it could be done tomorrow. If not, it can't happen. And this is not "controversial", "fantasy", or "inflamatory", it's cold heart facts! Oh, ChrisH...:lol:!)

[Fab]

@fab:

btw heres your result, just seen it posted over at awnet:



so its again confirming the previous tests.

sigh, i hoped the ban will keep me off there, but it doesnt seem to work that way..

Yes. Though the time spent in I/O seems a bit too high (probably some other factor). But in the end, the X1000 is just marginally faster than the Mac mini to decode the stream (82.8s against 84.6s). I actually expected better there. I'll just wait a bit to be sure this test was also done with AltiVec (even if it wouldn't be drastically different with or without it, unlike LAME).

[jorkany]

if the X1000 offers me a way to use it in a way that no other machine does, then that's reason enough to get excited.

What way(s) would that be?
Please cite specific examples.

[takemehomegrandma]

@fab:

btw heres your result, just seen it posted over at awnet:

so its again confirming the previous tests.

X1000: BENCHMARKs: VC: 82.849s (+a strangely high 6.697s for I/O, bringing it to 89.552s in total)
MacMini: BENCHMARKs: VC: 84.626s

This to decode a 69 seconds long clip.

Are my following conclusions about this test correct?

Conclusion 1: The X1000 is about on par(!) with a Mac Mini G4 when decoding x264 HD video.
Conclusion 2: The X1000 seems *unable*(!) to decode and play 1080p H264 clips. (This I didn't expect!)

[takemehomegrandma]

Nobody's building desktop/laptop motherboards with them at the moment. That's unlikely to change in the immediate future, but the industry can take surprising turns some times.

It will never happen. Never EVER *EVER* **EVER!**

If the industry will want something else than x86, it will be ARM. In fact, that process has already begun, and you will start seeing results of this during the current or upcoming few years...

Anyway, this from a guy with a MOS avatar?

Most people today (including the MorphOS developers) understands the situation with PPC. Some MorphOS developer said on morphzone: "If we had know back then, what we know today about PPC, we would have choosen differently". That's why the plan is:

1) Short term: MorphOS 3.0 for PPC
2) Mid term: MorphOS 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc, ..., ..., for PPC
3) Long term: Re-evaluation about the CPU/HW situation, which may include a migration (to x86, ARM or both?)

We are using PPC only because this is where MorphOS currently is, not because PPC is the best, or even good enough (anything that can't play 1080p movies in 2012 isn't good enough).

[commodorejohn]

It will never happen. Never EVER *EVER* **EVER!**

And you know that...how?

If the industry will want something else than x86, it will be ARM. In fact, that process has already begun, and you will start seeing results of this during the current or upcoming few years...

Sure. And what happens when they get tired of ARM? Or is that going to be as indisputably eternal as x86 seemed five years ago?

[itix]

X1000: BENCHMARKs: VC: 82.849s (+a strangely high 6.697s for I/O, bringing it to 89.552s in total)
MacMini: BENCHMARKs: VC: 84.626s

This to decode a 69 seconds long clip.

Are my following conclusions about this test correct?

Conclusion 1: The X1000 is about on par(!) with a Mac Mini G4 when decoding x264 HD video.
Conclusion 2: The X1000 seems *unable*(!) to decode and play 1080p H264 clips. (This I didn't expect!)

Apparently he wasn't using AltiVec version. According to results posted by stevieu AltiVec enabled MPlayer benchmark it is 69 seconds.

[itix]

Sure. And what happens when they get tired of ARM? Or is that going to be as indisputably eternal as x86 seemed five years ago?

ARM is going forward on every fronts. Even DSPs and media processors include ARM core these days.

[commodorejohn]

ARM is going forward on every fronts. Even DSPs and media processors include ARM core these days.

Indeed it is, and more power to it. But that doesn't mean it will reign forevermore eternal.