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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: trekiej on July 01, 2012, 06:23:38 PM
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Are you an Android fan?
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Are you an Android fan?
I'm torn there..
Longtime Linux fan, so I'm glad there's an OS variant that is gaining traction.
It has some nice features...
Fragmentation doesn't bother me...
Most people will use it for what it has available for their phone model...
So, win win?
Not totally... Why?
It's bloated...
It has to be the most bloated and slow Linux OS I've seen...
I have fun with my Android tablet, but forget rebooting it.
Takes well over a minute to boot.
My Nokia 770 tablet running Maemo (debian variant), about 10 seconds.
My 770 plays Neo Geo emulated games really well...
My "slow" (twice as fast as the 770) Android tablet barely runs any emulators, and not with sound..
It's not the hardware.. It's the OS...
Maybe you have to slow down a machine to a crawl to make it appeal to the masses, but it just bugs me...
I still hope it succeeds.. But it bugs me nonetheless.. ;-)
desiv
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I was looking at Ubuntu for Android. Do you think it is any good?
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It's an interesting hack.
If you have a super powerful phone, it's a neat add-on for Android..
But it runs on Android, it doesn't replace it..
For me, that makes it a neat project, but not much beyond that...
desiv
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Are you an Android fan?
Even though Android is slow, it is ok. I think that all of the Android Java code (blue areas of diagram) is what slows Android down. The base Android Kernel and drivers are presently just patched Linux Kernel and drivers (red areas of diagram). Starting with the Linux version 3.3 Kernel, the Android Kernel patches will be in the Linux Kernel so that the Kernels will be the same at that point. Android uses Linux drivers that have an additional power management and security call added to them.
http://elinux.org/images/c/c2/Android-system-architecture.jpg
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Has anyone used the docking bay and monitor?
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Replaced the iPhone 3 GS I've had for 3 years with a Samsung Galaxy S3 late last week. I'm liking it a ton, though I'm still getting used to the GUI.
I liked the iPhone, but didn't like being locked into the bolt down Apple ecosystem where I simply couldn't transfer consumables (esp books and DRM'ed video) off the Apple system to my other devices.
I'll likely invest in one of the fairly high end Android tablets in the future since my ipad 2 is getting a little long in the tooth.
While the Android interface is not rocket science, it's a fair bit different than the Apple experience and takes a bit of getting used to. But all in all, I'd wholeheartedly recommend Android 4 (Ice Cream Sandwich) devices to people without any hesitation.
The non replaceable battery and lack of a memcard slot in the iphones, as well as the whole ecosystem simply got to be too much for me with the Apple device. Put a 64 GB memory card in this new S3 and very happy with it so far, nice and responsive and heaps of free space (96 GB total, got the 32 GB S3 model).
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My wife's phone is android and it seems pretty cool. Having multiple companies able to utilize it was a pretty shrewd market strategy
Apparently there'll be no Flash version going forward. Which makes the situation between android and IOS pretty interesting
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Are you an Android fan?
My work phone is an android HTC Desire Z. Am I a fan? Well it's ok, but it could be better.
I wish someone would bring sensible next generation qwerty phone to the market.
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My work phone is an android HTC Desire Z. Am I a fan? Well it's ok, but it could be better.
I wish someone would bring sensible next generation qwerty phone to the market.
out of curiosity, what are you missing in the current breed of android phones?
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I have some ICS tablets, they're ok, personally I prefer iOS, but really nothing wrong with Android.
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out of curiosity, what are you missing in the current breed of android phones?
Missing having a web browser that operates the same as desktop. Also it is a worry when you turn on wifi hotspot (The best thing about my Android phones) and the desktop web pages load quicker than your phone. Although my new galaxy sIII is quite quick but a a little to Iphoneish, I had to search for every thing, where as my HTC Desire was much more straight forward.
Yes I know its only the interface but a good interface can hide some flaws in the OS, worked for windows:)
Missing a good emulator, surely a phone or tablet is quicker than an "atom" processor by now?
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Are you an Android fan?
No, after having a HTC Sensation (rooted and plenty of ICS installs tested) for 6 months I went and bought an iPhone 4s! Droid has some nice features but to me it just feels like a cheap unfinished Chinese knock off!
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out of curiosity, what are you missing in the current breed of android phones?
QWERTY keyboard (I thought I made this point clear already).
HTC Desire Z is not current by any measure.
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No, after having a HTC Sensation (rooted and plenty of ICS installs tested) for 6 months I went and bought an iPhone 4s! Droid has some nice features but to me it just feels like a cheap unfinished Chinese knock off!
I guess when buying a mobile phone with Android or ios it is sometimes like a lucky dip in terms of getting reliability. The quality is nice in the Iphone. The missus has the iphone 4 and I sugested for her to get it, mostly for use with Itunes and social networking, where i use mine for business.
Yes the others do look cheap in comparison. If Android phone manafacturers steered away from trying to copy the IPhone they would have a much better phone than the IPhone could ever be.
We don't want to live in a world of Microsoft VS Apple so I hope Android lifts its game. We need creative freedom.
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I use my phone for work, the Sensation was work provided and it just sits in my drawer now - as a business phone I found android to be pretty horrible, its Exchange support is flaky and unreliable with frequent calender sync issues and regular mail sync fails vs active-sync on iOS which just works. The only thing droid supports that iOS doesnt is the out-of-office feature but I'd rather have reliable calendar and mail syncronisation.
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QWERTY keyboard
You mean like these: http://www.androidauthority.com/best-keyboard-qwerty-android-phones-2012-55315/
(I thought I made this point clear already).
Ouch.. :rant:
He was just asking. :)
I thought it was a valid question, as they have phones with qwery keyboards, so there might be some other features you have issues with????
desiv
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I have a Galaxy Nexus and just loaded Jelly Bean on it. I used to own an iPhone 4. The iPhone definitely has a high level of polish, but Android is closing in. Jelly Bean goes a long way towards that. It is very responsive and snappy. I also own a Sony xPeria Play for handheld gaming and it runs most things pretty well, including an Amiga emulator! So I feel that Android has made great strides in the last several years and keeps getting better and better.
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I have an HTC Inspire, which I grew to hate for its quirky instability... In all fairness it turns out the battery was defective all along. It works great now. My wife grew to hate her iPhone 3GS so I bought her a pantech phone and tablet package deal which she loves. It's hard for me to say either way. I like my iPad a lot, and love my iPod more than I thought I would, my next phone will probably be ios. Nothing against Android... I just don't know that I am really much of a big fan.
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I like Android. Jelly bean seems to be even smoother.
I had the following phones.
HTC Magic
ZTE Blade
Samsung Galaxy S
LG optimus 2x
Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy S3 (Current)
I also got an Asus Transformer Prime.
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Been using android for a fair amount of time now, it all started when i used magldr to install gingerbread on my HTC HD2, i now have a Galaxy S2 and a Transformer Prime and i still love android, i can't compare it to any apple device as i have never used one and never will use one.
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Are you an Android fan?
I really enjoy using it and I'd say it's definitely the best smartphone OS out there. The biggest flaw in it is the update policy, which is mainly up to the manufacturers, but I think google will get this sorted in the long term. In the meantime, make sure you pick a Nexus model or a device that is supported by Cyanogenmod.
The quality is nice in the Iphone.
The hardware design is quite appealing indeed. Though you have to be really careful with the glass...
If Android phone manafacturers steered away from trying to copy the IPhone
Sorry, that's Apple marketing BS.
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Quote:
If Android phone manafacturers steered away from trying to copy the IPhone
Sorry, that's Apple marketing BS.
Well it's definitely BS, Android is a blatant copy of iOS and that's all there is to it!
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had HTC Legend, Sony Xperia X10 and Samsung GalaxyS2...leaving Android platform with mixed experiances, mainy below average or bad stories of hardware cowboys (Sony & Samsung im looking at you)
going to try Blackberry and if not satisfied will go back to Apples closed hardware and software platform. full stop.
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Well it's definitely BS, Android is a blatant copy of iOS and that's all there is to it!
I hope you have some decent arguments for this? Or are you just parroting Apple propaganda?
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Yes, I have a bunch of Android devices to play with (and a couple of iOS ones as well) and generally the iOS ones collect dust.
going to try Blackberry
Forgive me for laughing.
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You will likely be unhappy with BB devices unless you have enterprise needs that warrant owning one.
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You will likely be unhappy with BB devices unless you have enterprise needs that warrant owning one.
I agree. BlackBerry sucks balls. But i'm definitely getting another!
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Also it is a worry when you turn on wifi hotspot (The best thing about my Android phones) and the desktop web pages load quicker than your phone.
Why is that a worry? It makes perfect sense. The cpu in your phone is doing less work and your laptop is faster. Would you be happier if they artificially slowed everything down when the phone was used as a hotspot?
Most routers run linux, installing a web browser on one and using xterm to connect to it wouldn't give you a great experience either.
I'm not saying that android is brilliant, but for the cost of a mid range phone it's good enough for what I need. An iphone wouldn't be a better phone for me and it's alot more expensive.
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I'm more concerned if RIM will actually be in business as a handset maker in 2-3 years, tbh. They are absolutely hemorrhaging cash atm.
I smell a buyout coming.
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You will likely be unhappy with BB devices unless you have enterprise needs that warrant owning one.
True, though the playbook runs a derivative of QNX and as such is interesting from a geek perspective :)
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never thought I would say this, and I have had enough "discussions" with bloodline over the years, but I live my iPhone 4. I think iOS is a really good polished OS. I always thought everyhting being lockes down and uniform would be an issue, its not.
It means everyhting does just work , the same and as expected. I have got to a stage in life, Im not that old, where I cant be bothered to install loads of thirdparty hacks and widegets etc etc. I just want to use something.
A lot of people I work with have android phones and there does not seem to be any rules about UI desgin or standard functionality. This needs to change.
RIM do not make good phones/OS. If it was not for every compnay in the world giving them to their staff to check emails, they would have long gone.
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never thought I would say this, and I have had enough "discussions" with bloodline over the years, but I live my iPhone 4. I think iOS is a really good polished OS. I always thought everyhting being lockes down and uniform would be an issue, its not.
It means everyhting does just work , the same and as expected. I have got to a stage in life, Im not that old, where I cant be bothered to install loads of thirdparty hacks and widegets etc etc. I just want to use something.
A lot of people I work with have android phones and there does not seem to be any rules about UI desgin or standard functionality. This needs to change.
RIM do not make good phones/OS. If it was not for every compnay in the world giving them to their staff to check emails, they would have long gone.
Yup, iOS is polished and works, simple as that. I love having an iOS based phone that I can depend on... That said I wouldn't run iOS on my Raspberry Pi even if I could, as that is not a device I depend on, but a device for having some fun with.
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You mean like these: http://www.androidauthority.com/best-keyboard-qwerty-android-phones-2012-55315/
Out of these the Droid 4 is the only sensible one. Unfortunately it is not available outside of USA.
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I have got to a stage in life, Im not that old, where I cant be bothered to install loads of thirdparty hacks
Wow, what are you doing in an Amiga forum then? :p
and widegets etc etc. I just want to use something.
A smartphone that cannot even display a simple calender widget with my appointments rather seems of little use to me to be honest.
A lot of people I work with have android phones and there does not seem to be any rules about UI desgin or standard functionality.
Freedom of choice, customizability... Some of the main points that made the Amiga such a great platform.
This needs to change.
No.
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I fell for Symbian many years back, I find many similarities between Amiga and Symbian, dieing OS, ahead of it's time, small/fast OS.....I love my Nokia N8! emulators galore too! uae, c64, sega, mame, granted some are a little sluggish but it works
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Wow, what are you doing in an Amiga forum then? :p
A smartphone that cannot even display a simple calender widget with my appointments rather seems of little use to me to be honest.
Notifications do just fine... My appointments are available me with a simple swipe down the screen. iOS has plenty of limitations, but please make sure you are current with iOS before you criticise something x
Freedom of choice, customizability... Some of the main points that made the Amiga such a great platform.
But at the expense of reliability and consistency... You can't have it both ways really :)
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Notifications do just fine... My appointments are available me with a simple swipe down the screen.
OK, they copied the notification bar from Android. Still, this is not a widget you can place on the screen where you like and where it best catches your eye.
But at the expense of reliability
Not really.
and consistency...
Maybe. ;-)
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Is Android important enough to post on an Amiga site?
Is UAE for Android a good enough reason? :)
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(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4136/large/1_blade_uae.jpg)
:-)
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(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4136/large/1_blade_uae.jpg)
:-)
That is very awesome! Though, as I have discovered, the Amiga UI/games do really suck on a touch screen ;)
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That is very awesome! Though, as I have discovered, the Amiga UI/games do really suck on a touch screen ;)
So true... What even sucks more is the 600 MHz ARM6 CPU in my phone. But I would imagine that UAE might run quite nicely on a decent device.
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So true... What even sucks more is the 600 MHz ARM6 CPU in my phone. But I would imagine that UAE might run quite nicely on a decent device.
Interestingly enough I'm currently trying to get FS-UAE to compile on my Raspberry Pi which has similar specifications to that!
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Interestingly enough I'm currently trying to get FS-UAE to compile on my Raspberry Pi which has similar specifications to that!
I am sure it'll be much faster on the Pi since no Java is involved there and it provides better gfx acceleration than the ZTE Blade.
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Interestingly enough I'm currently trying to get FS-UAE to compile on my Raspberry Pi...
Kind of like this:
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?p=327101&highlight=raspberry+uae#post327101
;-)
desiv
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Had an Acer A100 tablet for about a year, a Galaxy Nexus for several months, and just got a Samsung SII for my wife a couple of days ago. We both have used iPhones and iPods as well for several years.
The thing that drove me a bit nuts was how I could hardly figure out how to use my Wife's SII. Both the Nexus and it are running Ice Cream Sandwich. Yet the UI, behaviour, and features are quite different. This is insane. And the Acer tablet also on ICS is a bit different too. I bought the Nexus because I heard it was the raw Android experience without some other UI crap put on it. Now I understand why that was important. That TouchWiz stuff is just useless ugly annoying crap. I think manufacturers need a reality check here that the stuff they are adding to tick of feature boxes is just dragging them down.
And yes, it can be very annoying waiting for updates. I bought the Nexus with the understanding that the latest Android would most likely be available for it. It's still stuck on 4.0.1 while the SII I could updated to 4.0.3. I wouldn't normally mind this but the Nexus has been very unstable, it's lucky to go a couple of days without spontaneously rebooting, I'm hoping an update might fix this.
And hearing that Flash is not going to be supported in Android 4.1 is disappointing. Half of my time using Android is watching local TV stream presented in flash. I have no love for flash and wish the world would move on from it but if there is no way to do this going forward I will not be pleased, and I'll just try to stick on 4.0.x.
Now with all that griping I'll still take Android over iOS any day. Couldn't stand being told what I was allowed to do and not do with my iOS device. My iPod apps crap out even more than my Android apps, and the iOS app store never wants to work.
I have no problem at all with the usability of Android other than the fact every device seems to make it look different.
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I don't hate it, but I'm kindof disappointed.
Surfing the web is frustrating as nearly every website wants to go into mobile mode. Some are hard if not impossible to use normally. While the youtube app works great, trying to watch flash based webinars in a webpage has been les than fantastic. Some don't work at all. They don't forbid screenblanking which is annoying, and they tend to restart from beginning when I get the screen lit back up again. Very annoying. I can't edit my wikipages wikis. The few games I've tried seem to work OK, but I didn't get my phone for games. Some apps annoy me with filesystem layout restrictions that conflict with where I want to put things, such as some PCB gerber viewer insisting all gerbers go into internal storage, not on the sdcard. Dumb... Didn't work with the gerber I threw at it anyway. Input gets weird at times, such as most apps auto-capitalizing for me but others not. one app somehow ate shifts so I could not do capitals at all. Weird... It feels like I have to use one web browser for this site, a different browser for that site, and a third browser for some other site. I should not have all possible browsers installed just to get to 80% of the web.
Very much looking forward to Ice Cream Sandwich for my Droid4, maybe that will improve things... Maybe not.
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Yes, I have a bunch of Android devices to play with (and a couple of iOS ones as well) and generally the iOS ones collect dust.
Forgive me for laughing.
what are you laughing at?
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I hope you have some decent arguments for this? Or are you just parroting Apple propaganda?
If you can't see where android copies iOS then that's your problem, the similarities are obvious!
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never thought I would say this, and I have had enough "discussions" with bloodline over the years, but I live my iPhone 4. I think iOS is a really good polished OS. I always thought everyhting being lockes down and uniform would be an issue, its not.
It means everyhting does just work , the same and as expected. I have got to a stage in life, Im not that old, where I cant be bothered to install loads of thirdparty hacks and widegets etc etc. I just want to use something.
A lot of people I work with have android phones and there does not seem to be any rules about UI desgin or standard functionality. This needs to change.
RIM do not make good phones/OS. If it was not for every compnay in the world giving them to their staff to check emails, they would have long gone.
+1
I manage a team of 12 server admins and after having android for 6 months and installing plenty of Roms (arhd was the best on sensation IMO) I just wanted something that was properly supported by the oem that I didn't have frig with to get the latest OS release onto and bought an iPhone 4s and it's brilliant!
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If you can't see where android copies iOS then that's your problem, the similarities are obvious!
Similarity != copying..
That being said, I think everyone copies everyone else...
iOS is fairly nice..
Android should be better..
And what the world needs now, is love sweet love...
;-)
desiv
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Similarity != copying..
That being said, I think everyone copies everyone else...
iOS is fairly nice..
Android should be better..
And what the world needs now, is love sweet love...
;-)
desiv
Well Said
The ultimate question of the universe and everthing shouln't be "Android or iOS?" it should be "rum or bourban?":pint:
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bourban
noooo!
*pours another islay single malt*
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Why is that a worry? It makes perfect sense. The cpu in your phone is doing less work and your laptop is faster. Would you be happier if they artificially slowed everything down when the phone was used as a hotspot?
Most routers run linux, installing a web browser on one and using xterm to connect to it wouldn't give you a great experience either.
I'm not saying that android is brilliant, but for the cost of a mid range phone it's good enough for what I need. An iphone wouldn't be a better phone for me and it's alot more expensive.
Edit: actually mentioning hotspot was a my bad. I was compairing phones using my home wifi network. Old phone Slower than netbook, New phone about same speed as i7 Laptop. Yes prob Just Faster Processor in New phone, but maybe Android software update, hard to put things on an even playing feild sometimes. The web experience is getting better and after all it is just a phone, pretty amazing though!
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Android should be better..
desiv
Yeah android should be a LOT better, so much for being an "open" system and therefore better:
- the phones come with Carrier bloatware
- and OEM bloatware
- they have different crappy UI's (Sense, Touchwiz etc) when the stock UI is really quite nice
- when you install custom roms there is always something broken
- if you stick with stock roms you'll more than likely end up with a peice of abandonware because the carriers want you to buy the latest handset and wont update your OS (see Sensation as example, still no official ICS update in Aus yet I was running ICS on it within weeks of it being released for other HTC phones).
- the UI quality in apps varies wildly as there are no real standards (unlike iOS)
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never thought I would say this, and I have had enough "discussions" with bloodline over the years, but I live my iPhone 4. I think iOS is a really good polished OS. I always thought everyhting being lockes down and uniform would be an issue, its not.
It means everyhting does just work , the same and as expected. I have got to a stage in life, Im not that old, where I cant be bothered to install loads of thirdparty hacks and widegets etc etc. I just want to use something.
A lot of people I work with have android phones and there does not seem to be any rules about UI desgin or standard functionality. This needs to change.
RIM do not make good phones/OS. If it was not for every compnay in the world giving them to their staff to check emails, they would have long gone.
I used to work for a privately owned company that gave all the relevant people Iphones. I would say for those same reasons. Hard enough to train people at the best of times, standardization makes it easier.
The only complaint they had was that they felt like they never left work, with bosses expecting every one to answer emails out side of work hours.
When the new iphone was advertised I thought it could clean the house and put out the washing, but the opposite happened, the missus plays with her new iphone so much now I'm always cleaning the house and putting out the washing:laugh1:
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I dont care about android on a phone... but reading some posts, ios seems to be perfect, maybe too many apple fans here.
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I've been using my first Andoid phone for a year or so.
Every phone platform has it's own issues, but I'm positively surpriced, so far.
+I got a new Symbian phone and also it is good. Better than any other Nokia I have had since some 6110 series phone 10+ years ago.
I think Android devices should be a lot easier to support by our niche than any other.
I would like to see apps that enable me to use Android devices as keyboard/drawing pad for Amiga etc...
It would be nice to see Amigalikes to be the ones that are the best to work with Android...
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noooo!
*pours another islay single malt*
Now that is something to agree with. :D
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I dont care about android on a phone... but reading some posts, ios seems to be perfect, maybe too many apple fans here.
Android is actually pretty good, and both iOS and Android have their various limitations. I don't use Android enough anymore to really comment on it though... But one thing that I still really don't like on Android is the graphical user interface has a very slight lag (it can only be a few milliseconds), but it's very jarring for me... I understand that the next release will addresses this issue by moving the graphics stack to a higher CPU priority (didn't they say that last time?).
Also, as Amiga users we are used to tight Hardware/Software integration... Which the various Android vendors can't provide.
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Interestingly enough I'm currently trying to get FS-UAE to compile on my Raspberry Pi which has similar specifications to that!
I know benchmarks under emulation are a no-no, but it was fun so there you go: ;)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4136/1_screenshot-1341309081231.png)
Actually UAE4Droid seems to be much snappier under Android 2.3 than under 2.2 when I tried it the last time. Possibly due to the Jit-compiler introduced with 2.3...
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Well Said
The ultimate question of the universe and everthing shouln't be "Android or iOS?" it should be "rum or bourban?":pint:
Dark/Navy rum all the way baby. With loads of ice, lime and coke.
Captain Morgan I love thee
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Dark/Navy rum all the way baby. With loads of ice, lime and coke.
Captain Morgan I love thee
Dark rum... But with ginger beer... 1 part rum to 3 parts ginger beer ;)
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I know benchmarks under emulation are a no-no, but it was fun so there you go: ;)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4136/1_screenshot-1341309081231.png)
Actually UAE4Droid seems to be much snappier under Android 2.3 than under 2.2 when I tried it the last time. Possibly due to the Jit-compiler introduced with 2.3...
As long as the frame rate is 50/60Hz that's more than enough for some classic gaming!!! :)
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As long as the frame rate is 50/60Hz that's more than enough for some classic gaming!!! :)
Tried this with Hybris. I only get an average of ~15 FPS. :-/
I'd really like to see this on a Galaxy S2 or S3...
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Tried this with Hybris. I only get an average of ~15 FPS. :-/
I'd really like to see this on a Galaxy S2 or S3...
Have you got a download link, I'll get my friend to try it on his new Samsung phone!
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Have you got a download link, I'll get my friend to try it on his new Samsung phone!
UAE4droid is in the official play store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ab.uae
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what are you laughing at?
Uh, Blackberry.
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Uh, Blackberry.
There's no question BB is left in the dust today, but a few years ago I'll have to admit I
was stunned to have a phone actually do what it was supposed to do. And reliably no less.
This was after years of Samsung Windows phones, which I thought at the time
was just where the technology stood. I made a remark in a meeting that I couldn't say
the Samsung Jack was a turd because I couldn't prove that it actually came out of
someone's anus... and a coworker handed me a used BB that he had just upgraded from.
I swapped the SIM and couldn't believe how far phones had actually come.
Not to degrade the thread any further... but this experience will keep me away from any
Windows phone for a looooong time.
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UAE4droid is in the official play store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ab.uae
Or PUAE at http://anddev.at.ua/news/puae_amiga_emulator_alpha1/2011-08-31-41
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Or PUAE at http://anddev.at.ua/news/puae_amiga_emulator_alpha1/2011-08-31-41
Yeah it wouldn't work... :(
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Changing completely side, personally I'm not an Android user, nor BlackBerry, nor iOS, nor Windows Mobile 8, but I have to admit, from what I've seen, that the Metro interface of Windows Mobile 8 (used on tablets and phones) is very very nice and clear.
IMHO much better than Android one.
I know I will create some trouble :) and I'm not a Microsoft fan! :D
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noooo!
*pours another islay single malt*
noooo!
*pours another.... oh wait.... *
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Yeah it wouldn't work... :(
Try this one:
http://droidpuae.blogspot.de/2011/12/droidpuae-wip03-16122011-build.html#comment-form
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My HP Touchpad's running Android ICS 4.0.3 - an I like it! UAE4Droid works surprisingly well - just waiting for my bluetooth mouse to arrive so I can give Syndicate, Cannon Fodder, Lemmings and Worms some stick.
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And hearing that Flash is not going to be supported in Android 4.1 is disappointing. Half of my time using Android is watching local TV stream presented in flash. I have no love for flash and wish the world would move on from it but if there is no way to do this going forward I will not be pleased, and I'll just try to stick on 4.0.x.
The thing is with both iOS and Android 4.1 not supporting flash, anyone relying on flash will get left in the dust, so while that will be annoying for a little while, it will solve itself as flash-only sites lose more and more audience.
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Flash is not good at all, not needed at all in this day and age
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I run flashblocker in firefox, and aside from the occasional chart or video, I never enable flash objects.
It really needs to just die.
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Flash is going the way of the dodo.
I for one couldn't be happier. IMHO, the vast majority of browser crashes in this day and age are caused by Flash issues, and that's not even getting started on the hideous security issues it has.
Good riddance, I say. There is a very valid reason Apple shunned it entirely on their mobile devices other than the deep dislike for Adobe Jobs had.
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Flash is going the way of the dodo.
I for one couldn't be happier. IMHO, the vast majority of browser crashes in this day and age are caused by Flash issues, and that's not even getting started on the hideous security issues it has.
Good riddance, I say. There is a very valid reason Apple shunned it entirely on their mobile devices other than the deep dislike for Adobe Jobs had.
Did Jobs dislike Adobe? I don't think so, they were always given stage time at the keynotes and photoshop kept the mac alive through the dark years... What jobs didn't like was flash for a number of reasons... But we don't need to go there ;)
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Did Jobs dislike Adobe? I don't think so, they were always given stage time at the keynotes and photoshop kept the mac alive through the dark years... What jobs didn't like was flash for a number of reasons... But we don't need to go there ;)
Scumbag Steve Jobs, declares Flash to be dead. Dies before Flash does.
I always thought to myself that the reason that Jobs hated Flash so much (other than it being a turd) was that it allowed cross platform application development and cut him out of the loop.
You can play Angry Birds on a PC or a Mac without giving Apple money via Flash. Want to play it on an iPhone/iPad/iPod? then you need to give Apple money.
That's my opinion, there are probably many reasons (it's crap) that Flash wasn't included, but this is definitely one of them.
As for the death of Flash... I predict that most sites will make the jump to HTML5 soon and flash will go away somewhat (Youtube is trying to make the leap) anyways unfortunately some old websites not meant for the general public still use dang ol' Flash and will probably use Flash for at least another 4 or 5 years. I still use online ordering sites that say "Best used with Netscape Naviagtor" on the bottom.
tl:dr; Some business will keep using their stupid Flash websites because "If it ain't broke then why fix it?"
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Getting back to android. I recently purchased an Acer A 700 to use to play media files on my 4 hour daily commute.
This could have been the mother of all android tablets but fell short. It has an HD 1920X1200 screen that rivals the ipad. But the CPU was not fast enough to drive the ICS interface without lag.
Games that are coded for the TEGRA 3 (there are only a handfull) such games result in graphical glitches similar to the distortion you may get with an INDIVISION when it's not seated properly. The framerate stutters and then speeds up. The tablet overheats and the screen had a little bit of light bleed.
Screen was not responsive enough for Amiga game emulation and playing.
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Jobs was widely known to have disliked Flash, and for very valid reasons. It's crap, and one of the biggest security nightmares that exists.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
You want to call a dead man a "scumbag" because the company he ran charges a % on sales for coders using the ecosystem to sell their programs (as the other app store vendors do as well), that's on you, lol. The world doesn't run on charity and puppy kisses - it costs a company like Apple big money to run the itunes and app stores, and they take their base cut on all sales like every other app store does. MS does the same thing with their marketplace and media offerings. So does Google (Play), and the Amazon app market. RIM even does on it's appstore for BB. Jobs can be considered a "scumbag" for many things he did business wise, but Apple isn't doing anything different than the next guy in regards to the store.
Apple isn't forcing app developers to charge one thin dime for the programs they put on the app store. Saying that "if you want to play on an ipad you have to pay apple" is just silly, sorry. Make the best game in the world, Apple (or any other equivalent ecosystem/store) won't prevent you from giving it away for free. When a developer chooses to sell said program, you cannot very well chide a company that provides the soup to nuts buying experience for taking their cut, can you? Or do you go into a RL retail store and expect to buy items at wholesale rates, the operator of the storefront not taking a cut for their troubles?
A developer chooses whether or not to charge for their program, if you choose to buy it Apple (or Google/MS/RIM/Amazon) get their cut, just as any other curated store experience would. There's a lot to be said against the closed nature of the devices, and if one objects to that, don't use them. Jailbreaking is a 5 minute process otherwise, allowing you to sideload apps with 0 problems just as Android is able to do. Use what you like - choice is a wonderful thing.
There is very little need for Flash anymore with HTML 5 coming on strong, IMHO - agree on that fully.
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Flash is a security nightmare, even Google stopped supporting it in Android's Chrome browser.
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Adobe and Apple had other spats as well. I remember something having to do with the carbon/cocoa transition, and Adobe not having time to adjust. They even dropped OSX for Premier.
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You want to call a dead man a "scumbag" because the company he ran charges a % on sales for coders using the ecosystem to sell their programs (as the other app store vendors do as well), that's on you,
I do not think you understand how the "scumbag" meme works.
Someone says something, and does another.
He claimed that Flash was dead, it is not dead yet, but he is deceased.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/355jil/
The scumbag meme is a joke. Google Scumbag Steve, Scumbag Christians, Scumbag Jesus, Scumbag Government etc... etc...
He is a scumbag, but not because of flash. The thread is not about him anyways so I will not rant about his dealings with his daughter Lisa and the many times he cheated people including the Woz.
Regardless of the fact that he is a scumbag I am a business owner, I understand the concept of a free market. Apple charges money for goods and services, just like every single company on the planet. Anyways just because I still play with Amiga's does not mean I live under a rock.
No hard feelings.... Party hard tonight.
Free Apps/Games are not actually Free, they are stuffed with Ad's. If you play Angry Birds on Roxio's site it is outside of Apple's ecosystem. Apple (wisely) wants everything to be in their ecosystem. With Flash people can run games/emulators and many other programs and Apple has no control over it. MS does not let you run flash on the Xbox, likely for this reason as well... We will see what IE for the 360 does however, but I strongly believe they will not include it. On the other hand Nintendo does indeed have Flash support on the Wii, though it is crippled/old.
In my original post I mentioned that flash is crap. I will be happy when it dies. I am glad Apple did not have flash, I am glad Android is dropping flash. I have hated it since it was owned by Macromedia.