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Title: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 27, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
Sneak Preview of the new Commodore Amiga Mini is at http://www.commodore-amiga.org with a press release to be released sometime next week on hardware details and shipping dates.

No, this is not the big announcement.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kalvan on January 27, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
The picture link is broken.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 27, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: Kalvan;677760
The picture link is broken.


The link to commodore-amiga.org site worked OK for me, just scroll down to the news section.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: J-Golden on January 27, 2012, 05:56:39 PM
Pics look like a thin Mac Mini.  Do you know if it is roughly the same form factor?  I have a really cool USB/Fire Wire/Hard Drive Hub that fits right under my Mac Mini that would look sweet with one of these. :D
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on January 27, 2012, 06:44:09 PM
Let's have some specs and prices.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: TheBilgeRat on January 27, 2012, 07:33:00 PM
kinda interesting pic - where is the spec sheet?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 27, 2012, 08:12:25 PM
So whose preexisting case are they rebadging this time?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on January 27, 2012, 08:22:29 PM
Doesn't look like the Dell mini, we installed a bunch of them in offices around the uni and they're more colourful.  Probably some chinese local market clone.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 27, 2012, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: persia;677773
Let's have some specs and prices.


That should be next week.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 27, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dammy;677791
That should be next week.
This should be the company motto...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 27, 2012, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: persia;677788
Doesn't look like the Dell mini, we installed a bunch of them in offices around the uni and they're more colourful.  Probably some chinese local market clone.


It's not a bad choice at all for the first Commodore Amiga being released in 20 years.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on January 27, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
I'd like to see the specs and prices before I make any comments.  Hopefully it has bluetooth, wifi, and HDMI.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 27, 2012, 10:31:53 PM
Quote from: dammy;677794
It's not a bad choice at all for the first Commodore Amiga being released in 20 years.
Oh, so it is an Amiga? Sweet, I can't wait to pop my Workbench 3.1 disks into the...into the...now just a damn minute here...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 28, 2012, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;677797
Oh, so it is an Amiga? Sweet, I can't wait to pop my Workbench 3.1 disks into the...into the...now just a damn minute here...


LOL, I must admit, that was pretty funny.  Floppies in 2012?  Hehe, guess one absolutely has to, they can buy a Catweasel.  I suspect only a few floppies will be readable after 20+ years. Perhaps once the C= Application Store goes online, some of the old software publishers could be convinced to put their software in the C= Application Store for a buck or so.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 28, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
The majority of floppies I've ever encountered (not the vast majority, but still definitely the majority) read just fine, as long as they weren't kept in a garage or a moldy basement.

Anyway, are you saying that if I install a Catweasel in this thing, it can boot from my Amiga floppies?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on January 28, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Not quite as pretty as the Asus P22

(http://www.asus.com/websites/global/products/NSJuOfk7RRMQy8Cf/P_500.jpg)


Whether it´s working desks, a tiny night stand or a spacious living room, the NOVA P22 fits in with ease. The lively color and touch sensor button design, simple reflect your individualistic taste and add style to your surroundings.

 Built-in HiFi speakers for quality audio experience.
Through the pair of built-in Hi-Fi speakers locatetd at the front side of NOVA P22, you can always enjoy high quality music without extra speakers. It also supports analog and digital speakers with Dolby® Digital Live or DTS connect technology.

 Exclusive Intelligent Sub-sonic Heat Diffusion Technology
Adopting solid capacitors and a unique thermal solution that integrates a unique L-shape heat dissipation module, S-shape heat pipes and three AI fans,the NOVA P22 provides users an ultra quiet 25db operating levels that´s below human hearing.

 Robust Desktop Core 2 Duo Multitasking and Multimedia Processing
Taking only 2L of your space, the NOVA P22 incorporates a robust Intel Core 2 Duo Desktop processor for efficient multitasking and multimedia enjoyment.

 High Speed 802.11n & Bluetooth 2.0
Supporting 802.11n wireless standard, which transmission rate of 300Mbps is 6 times higher and coverage range 8 times broader than 802.11g standard, the NOVA P22 can easily download a 30 minute HD video within a minute without lags. The embedded Bluetooth device further facilitates effortless multimedia and data streaming between the NOVA P22and your notebooks and handhelds.


 Free yourself for total multimedia enjoyment
The Nova P22 also comes with Windows® MCE remote control- simply choose your favorite movies or songs and you´re ready to enjoy hours of entertainment without the need to sit in front of your PC.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kalvan on January 28, 2012, 06:24:46 PM
Finally called it up.  This looks like a very basic HTPC with only an optical disc slot.  Where are the flash card slots?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 28, 2012, 06:26:27 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;677901
The majority of floppies I've ever encountered (not the vast majority, but still definitely the majority) read just fine, as long as they weren't kept in a garage or a moldy basement.


When was the last time you tried a floppy that hasn't been accessed in 20+ years?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 29, 2012, 03:14:55 AM
Quote from: dammy;677950
When was the last time you tried a floppy that hasn't been accessed in 20+ years?
*shrug* I dunno, I don't exactly get last-used dates on the systems I pick up. But I've gotten systems from the early '80s that have been sitting in storage for a long time, and as long as they haven't been kept in a barn the disks usually read just fine.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: eb15 on January 30, 2012, 04:42:17 PM
Since I happen to have a couple mini-itx cased & motherboard computers, I would say Its unlikely that a catweasel-pci will fit inside that case.  

One will probably need an external USB solution for amiga floppies and other expansions not included internally.  Bluetooth, HDMI, and mini-pcie network cards on a mini-itx motherboard are common though.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 30, 2012, 04:56:01 PM
(Psst, that was sarcasm, the point is it's not actually Amiga-compatible no matter what sticker they put on the case.)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on January 30, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
@thread

Barry Altman is now posting in this thread (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=90&lang=en#12101)

The time frames for the new models are now listed.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 30, 2012, 10:34:30 PM
Quote
The Mini   mid Feb 2012
1000x      late March 2012
2000x/ 3000x/ 4000x    2nd qtr 2012
So let me get this straight, he's going to roll out five new models in the space of ~3-5 months? And the site still calls them "workstations," which implies they're still going for the gourmet pricing (on rebadged HTPCs? Ha ha, pull the other one.) How many of the C64xes did they even sell? Does he really think something even less unique is going to go over well because he's put a sticker on it?

By far the best part, though, is this:
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9786/fa65a31f58924d6ab791b2c.jpg)
Seriously? They didn't even bother to change the manufacturer-default message? I suppose that's just CUSA tradition...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 31, 2012, 03:22:15 PM
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=90&lang=en#12108
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: mechy on January 31, 2012, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: dammy;677757
Sneak Preview of the new Commodore Amiga Mini is at http://www.commodore-amiga.org with a press release to be released sometime next week on hardware details and shipping dates.

No, this is not the big announcement.


More junk from a joke of a company. This has nothing to do with amiga. I doubt these guys have even owned a real amiga in their time.I guess they might of seen one on the Tee-Vee once. :laughing:

mech
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 31, 2012, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: mechy;678427
More junk from a joke of a company. This has nothing to do with amiga. I doubt these guys have even owned a real amiga in their time.I guess they might of seen one on the Tee-Vee once. :laughing:

mech


You would be wrong then.  Commodore Amiga is their future, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 31, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
Quote from: dammy;678437
Commodore Amiga is their future, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
I'm not buying it. But if you mean "this is the ultimate argument and you must shut up now," not a chance.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: TheBilgeRat on January 31, 2012, 07:50:31 PM
Where is the "big announcement"?  Those crappy HTPC boxes are sad.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 31, 2012, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;678447
I'm not buying it. But if you mean "this is the ultimate argument and you must shut up now," not a chance.


So you are going to continue to troll in this thread?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on January 31, 2012, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: dammy;678484
So you are going to continue to troll in this thread?
I'm going to continue to post my opinions on a public forum. You may call that what you will.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on January 31, 2012, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;678474
Where is the "big announcement"?  


On tract, just taking longer then some had expected.    Lawyers get paid by the hour after all.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on February 01, 2012, 01:33:14 AM
That's no excuse.
Product announcements aren't a legal contract.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on February 01, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: kedawa;678508
That's no excuse.
Product announcements aren't a legal contract.


Who said it was a product?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on February 01, 2012, 02:29:47 PM
Possible customization changes to the Commodore Amiga Mini: http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=135&lang=en#12190

I think this version is much nicer looking.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on February 01, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: dammy;678585
Who said it was a product?
Are you joking? You have to be joking, right? What the hell else would it be? Either you don't actually have any idea and you're pretending like you do, or you're playing coy for no reason. Either one is annoying and isn't helping your favorite company one bit.

Also, embossed logos and laser etching? On a prefab case? Get real.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on February 01, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;678599
Also, embossed logos and laser etching? On a prefab case? Get real.


So you have the same opinion on the A1X1K and the A500X cases since they are also prefab cases?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on February 01, 2012, 04:11:14 PM
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=150&lang=en#12201
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 01, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: dammy;678586
Possible customization changes to the Commodore Amiga Mini: http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=135&lang=en#12190

I think this version is much nicer looking.


Get rid of the Commodore label, stick with the chicken lips on top, and a checkmark on the amiga, perhaps offset it a bit, and its not bad at all.  I like the brushed aluminum look.

Although, even better would be to anodize it that brown/green of the old A2000s.  That was the best.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on February 01, 2012, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: dammy;678601
So you have the same opinion on the A1X1K and the A500X cases since they are also prefab cases?
I can't even remember what they're supposed to look like (i.e. whose case they're bulk-purchasing,) but yeah, I'll stick with that opinion. Etching and embossing a generic Mac Mini knock-off case is like putting stickers and rims on a Honda Civic.

(Unless you're referring to the X500 aluminum-case project? Because that sure as hell isn't prefab...)

Quote from: BigBenAussie
This mobo is a candidate for a C64x Titan(?) though.  (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/emoticons/grin.png)
Just trying the name on for size....how do you go beyond "Extreme", than start naming after a class of Gods!  (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/emoticons/grin.png)
The new C64x - it's named after beings whose leader ate his children!
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: J-Golden on February 01, 2012, 05:28:35 PM
Ok, people are starting to nit pick and put words into other's mouths now.  Stop.

If you have something new and RELEVANT TO THE THREAD that you can share in a civilized way, by all means do so.

So please let's simmer down a bit.  It is WELL established how polarized this subject makes people that you don't need to state and restate it over and over again.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on February 01, 2012, 05:40:29 PM
Quote from: J-Golden;678616
So please let's simmer down a bit.  It is WELL established how polarized this subject makes people that you don't need to state and restate it over and over again.
It keeps being brought up over and over again...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: J-Golden on February 01, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;678617
It keeps being brought up over and over again...

No, new news is posted about different things from ONE company.  If that qulifies as "over and over again" then every post put up is in danger if doing the same thing!
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on February 02, 2012, 11:20:00 PM
Update:  I talked to Barry this afternoon, Press Release should be issued by the end of next week.  This is giving extra time for technical testing to make sure things work as expected.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: mechy on February 03, 2012, 04:15:56 AM
Quote from: dammy;678437
You would be wrong then.  Commodore Amiga is their future, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Do you even have the slightest clue what an amiga is? i say NOT.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on February 03, 2012, 04:57:26 AM
Quote from: mechy;678891
Do you even have the slightest clue what an amiga is? i say NOT.


You don't have to be insulting about your disagreements with the new Commodore Amiga Mini.  Commodore Amigas are going with x86_64 and eventually (possibly) ARM. If you want to stick with your Amiga 68K, more power to you.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: koaftder on February 03, 2012, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;678617
It keeps being brought up over and over again...


You have no excuse at this point considering that these threads never appear on the front page anymore. The only way you could possibly be bothered from this is if you intentionally go out of your way to see this stuff. At this point you're just bullying.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: koaftder on February 03, 2012, 11:04:27 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;678604
Get rid of the Commodore label, stick with the chicken lips on top, and a checkmark on the amiga, perhaps offset it a bit, and its not bad at all.  I like the brushed aluminum look.

Although, even better would be to anodize it that brown/green of the old A2000s.  That was the best.


Agreed. The commodore label on the front looks out of place and detracts from the Amiga name. I liked the checkmark logo on the front. Only thing I can think of that would be better would be to make the whole thing half as tall.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on March 06, 2012, 06:44:29 PM
(http://www.logiprise.com/j/Amiga1000x_2012.png)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: J-Golden on March 06, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
Nice!  They really got the spirit of the A1000 there.  Please post a review once you have it up and running.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on March 07, 2012, 12:16:22 AM
The case just looks 'busy'.
Too many clashing visual elements.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 07, 2012, 12:49:03 AM
Is that image a poor Photoshop, or is the box a poor Photoshop? (In other words, is this another of their endless mockups, or did they finally manage to release a new product, and somehow forgot to parade around applauding themselves for it - at least on A.org?)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: SysAdmin on March 07, 2012, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: persia;682715
(http://www.logiprise.com/j/Amiga1000x_2012.png)


When is this thing shipping?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on March 07, 2012, 11:25:10 AM
This is a sham. The keyboard is clearly an Apple keyboard. I have been studying the Amiga keyboard for 10 mins and cannot find any difference between them apart from the labels for the Amiga keys and the function keys. The keyboard below is the one i am using right now and the two are identical. For example the "esc" key on the Apple keyboard is 1mm wider than the one below it and protrudes rightwards while being aligned on the left hand side. The keyboards are (almost) identical!

Edit: OK i found one difference.

(http://blog.lemmonjuice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Screen-shot-2011-03-09-at-4.55.34-PM.png)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: dammy on March 07, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Transition;682778
When is this thing shipping?

CommodoreUSA.net will have full update on this sometime next week.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 07, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
"Sometime in the next week..."

We should set this refrain to music.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 10, 2012, 05:04:09 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;682748
Is that image a poor Photoshop, or is the box a poor Photoshop? (In other words, is this another of their endless mockups, or did they finally manage to release a new product, and somehow forgot to parade around applauding themselves for it - at least on A.org?)



Everyone I talked to said it's a photoshopped box.

Posters seem to agree (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35308&forum=44#656653)

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 10, 2012, 05:44:20 AM
Oy. And CUSA continues in their long and glorious tradition of astonishingly poor Photoshop work...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on March 10, 2012, 09:37:58 PM
They're not so good with computers, but to their credit, they can sell ottomans like nobody's business.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on March 11, 2012, 06:41:46 PM
An inside view of a Commodore...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TOrpE9HKiKI/AAAAAAADpTY/quzoldnOUYg/s1600/2011-Holden-Commodore-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 11, 2012, 06:48:13 PM
For the kind of money they ask, it oughta be...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on March 12, 2012, 10:43:45 PM
Quote from: Kesa;682782
This is a sham. The keyboard is clearly an Apple keyboard. I have been studying the Amiga keyboard for 10 mins and cannot find any difference between them apart from the labels for the Amiga keys and the function keys. The keyboard below is the one i am using right now and the two are identical. For example the "esc" key on the Apple keyboard is 1mm wider than the one below it and protrudes rightwards while being aligned on the left hand side. The keyboards are (almost) identical!
 
Edit: OK i found one difference.
 
(http://blog.lemmonjuice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Screen-shot-2011-03-09-at-4.55.34-PM.png)

Someone on the CUSA forum found it the other day (by the manufacturer but no price), but the post got nearly instantly deleted (before I could copy the URL).
 
It's being OEMed (of course), it's a real keyboard made by someone else copying the Apple keyboard.
 
As for the 1000x case, that's easier:
 
http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-e5-Silver-Ultra-low-profile-aluminum-chassis-HTPC-e5-S.htm
 
With custom feet.
 
The Amiga Mini has been previously outed as this case:
 
http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-ITX2-Silver-Ultra-small-aluminum-chassis-HTPC-ITX2-S.htm
 
On sale for $64.
 
Barry personally posted today the Amiga Mini, Vic Mini, and the new C64 Supreme would be annouced in "24 to 48 hours" with pre-ordering available to ship at the end of April.
 
At $2,495 for the Amiga Mini, and $995 for the Vic Mini, I'm personally looking forward to seeing what they cram in a $64 case to get it up anywhere near that cost :crazy: , even more curious how many people intend to buy it, and if they sell the barebones how much C= and Amiga laser etching is worth.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 12, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
I'm missing the joke here, what's the difference with the keyboards? I mean, besides the wonky numpad/trackpad thing?

And $2500 for a kitbash HTPC? Dream on, Barry, dream on...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on March 12, 2012, 11:24:50 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;683489
I'm missing the joke here, what's the difference with the keyboards? I mean, besides the wonky numpad/trackpad thing?
 
And $2500 for a kitbash HTPC? Dream on, Barry, dream on...

The wonkey numberpad/trackpad.  Someone in China makes the exact keyboard photoshopped on the box, they are going to slap an Amiga sticker on it.  I'm just not as good as googling as the CUSA forum member that found it...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 13, 2012, 12:08:42 AM
Oh good Lord. I was hoping the numpad thing was part of the Photoshop...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on March 13, 2012, 08:12:42 AM
So what was barry's justification for charging such a high amount for the Amiga Mini? And what do you get for your money?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 13, 2012, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: Kesa;683525
So what was barry's justification for charging such a high amount for the Amiga Mini? And what do you get for your money?



part of that is answered here (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=270&lang=en#13244)

Quote
Keep in mind the additional manufacturing costs of CNC engraving the AMIGA logo, laser etching C= logo and branding plate, but also the DOUBLE licensing fees for dual branding with both the Commodore and AMIGA trademark logos. These additional fees are based on the selling price of the unit. It all adds up, rather quickly. And let's not forget to add some profit so we can be around to continue this adventure.


Additional info about product line for the year was rescheduled (I've lost track of how many times this date was changed) for today or tomorrow.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on March 13, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: number6;683548
part of that is answered here (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=270&lang=en#13244)
 
 
 

Let's assume for a moment that don't have their own CNC / laser etcher (Which would be dumb, they should invest it thier own if the intend on selling a lot of these they start at about $10,000 or the cost of 4 Amiga Minis ), how much would you assign to each?
 
$70 Case
$50 Amiga Logo
$50 C= Laser Etch
$50 Amiga License fee
$50 Commodore License fee
 
$270 so far, and I'm probably being very generious with $50 for license fee seeing as Uncle Bill has had Amiga put on sub-$100 Andriod tablets.
 
When we see what the rest of the specs are we can see how it adds up $2500, and how much is "some profit so we can be around to continue this adventure".
 
Nothing wrong with profit, but I'm not sure who will be willing to pay that much Mini-ITX HTPC, even with Commodore Amiga enblazen on it :roflmao:
 
It's hard to find a PC that expensive.  Even an 27" iMacs are cheaper (and come with a 27" monitor !)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 13, 2012, 05:25:32 PM
Maybe the manual is printed in unicorn blood?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on March 13, 2012, 08:19:42 PM
Where did you find those values? Did you make them up? I would love to see some ABC numbers from Barry so i can play around with them...

Maybe he should talk with Trevor Dick as did some case customizing with the boing ball on his x1000.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 13, 2012, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: Kesa;683600
Where did you find those values? Did you make them up? I would love to see some ABC numbers from Barry so i can play around with them...
Well, IIRC correctly in order to get an explanation of the pricing from Barry you have to fill out a questionnaire about your sex life...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on March 14, 2012, 12:34:23 PM
Licensing fees?  Didn't the Baron post a message gloating that he'd slit the throats of Asia Rim whilst they were sleeping?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 14, 2012, 04:27:21 PM
Well, that's certainly what it sounded like. Then again, as I'm sure we all know by now, Barry says a lot of things.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 15, 2012, 02:51:20 AM
Quote from: Optimus;683485
Someone on the CUSA forum found it the other day (by the manufacturer but no price), but the post got nearly instantly deleted (before I could copy the URL).
 
It's being OEMed (of course), it's a real keyboard made by someone else copying the Apple keyboard.
 
As for the 1000x case, that's easier:
 
http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-e5-Silver-Ultra-low-profile-aluminum-chassis-HTPC-e5-S.htm
 
With custom feet.
 
The Amiga Mini has been previously outed as this case:
 
http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-ITX2-Silver-Ultra-small-aluminum-chassis-HTPC-ITX2-S.htm
 
On sale for $64.
 
Barry personally posted today the Amiga Mini, Vic Mini, and the new C64 Supreme would be annouced in "24 to 48 hours" with pre-ordering available to ship at the end of April.
 
At $2,495 for the Amiga Mini, and $995 for the Vic Mini, I'm personally looking forward to seeing what they cram in a $64 case to get it up anywhere near that cost :crazy: , even more curious how many people intend to buy it, and if they sell the barebones how much C= and Amiga laser etching is worth.

it was a friend of mine that posted that. he also said that Barry had taken the posts down almost instantly and sent some rather agressive PM's telling him never to post links to "similar" products again.
 
In any case here is the links.
 
A Weseana E5 case http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5 (http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5) and an Iton keyboard http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Product-Listing-Detail.aspx?ProductID=19065 (http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Product-Listing-Detail.aspx?ProductID=19065)
 
Oh and for those that are interested the pic of the box came from here http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm (http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm) and leo just slapped their 1000x ontop.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 15, 2012, 03:01:58 AM
Quote from: CritAnime;683802
Oh and for those that are interested the pic of the box came from here http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm (http://www.computercloset.org/CommodoreAmiga1000.htm) and leo just slapped their 1000x ontop.
Quality craftsmanship: a CUSA tradition!
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 15, 2012, 03:09:33 AM
it might be worth mentioning that those keyboards I have only ever seen on Alibaba. The company behinde them seem to be into making multi touch and bluetooth components. This could the only 'unique' item in the whole system.
 
Ok so here is some links for people
 
http://sziton.en.alibaba.com/product/522772341-209413100/Multi_Finger_Touch_keyboard_bluetooth_3_0_version.html
http://gadgetguide.bluetooth.com/gadgetGuide.cfm?lpid=19065
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/523257276/2012_newest_Bluetooth_Keyboard_with_Touch.html
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: J-Golden on March 15, 2012, 05:02:46 AM
Quote from: Optimus;683485

http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-e5-Silver-Ultra-low-profile-aluminum-chassis-HTPC-e5-S.htm
 

Ooooh!  You can get the case in GOLD!!!!!  Sa-WEET!!!!! :mickeymouse:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on March 15, 2012, 05:58:39 PM
It's mind boggling that there are people that still support this venture.
Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 16, 2012, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: persia;683692
Licensing fees?  Didn't the Baron post a message gloating that he'd slit the throats of Asia Rim whilst they were sleeping?



I haven't found any new legal documents concerning the lawsuit. Nor have I seen anything publically posted by either of the principals.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on March 16, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Kesa;683600
Where did you find those values? Did you make them up? I would love to see some ABC numbers from Barry so i can play around with them...
 
Maybe he should talk with Trevor Dick as did some case customizing with the boing ball on his x1000.

 
Those numbers are totally made up by me, except you can buy a brand new Laser Etcher that will do the job for 10K. But I think I'm being very liberal with those numbers all the way around. My only point is the price point is sheer insanity at $2500 for any Mini-ITX x86 system with a $64 case.
 
Also, Leo posted a note that the keyboard in question for the 1000x is "Concept" keyboard and not made by any manufacturer yet. Um yea.
 
And the announcement for the Amiga Mini was delayed again. Supposedly it's going to be sometime today. I stopped holding my breath. The first time they posted the proposed specs someone questioned why they would use a $1000 mobile CPU in a case that could use a faster cheaper 65 watt desktop processor. Leo quickly removed those specs and said it was a mistake, the Amiga Mini would use a desktop processor. This was supposedly when it was a few days away from being released in February when CUSA posted that it was going through "it's final paces" of testing.
 
CUSA is (at best) fast and loose with the truth. The C64x case seems really nice (and people are generally happy with them), but everything else they have said and done is shady.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 16, 2012, 06:03:29 PM
It's like watching a shell game where the con man keeps lifting up the shell to check which one he left the ball under...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 20, 2012, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;684039
It's like watching a shell game where the con man keeps lifting up the shell to check which one he left the ball under...



Nevertheless, despite at least 8 or 9 announcements of delays in upcoming announcements, we have a new one:

Today's the day. (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/2-welcome-mat/13503-todays-the-day)

In most cases I don't offer opinion, but since the CTO (Leo) is in Florida working with Barry, this announcement might actually take place.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 20, 2012, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: Barry
Unlike Apple, we have learned from past experience that our early  adaptors should not be our beta testers. To show our heartfelt  appreciation to them, we will for a limited time, continue to offer our  early adaptor customers special introductory pricing, first edition  special configurations and free worldwide shipping, as you will soon  see.
Or in other words, "having pissed off a sizable number of the only people to have given us money in the first place, we're trying to lure them back for another overpriced generic x86 box by cutting a deal."
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 20, 2012, 09:18:02 PM
I wasn't aware Apple tested their hadware on the general public. I was sure thats what they spent however many thousands of Dollars of R&D on. Silly me I suppose for assuming that Apple did it this way. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 21, 2012, 03:27:48 AM
@thread

PRESS RELEASE/ SITE IS NOW LIVE (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/13519-press-release-site-is-now-live?lang=en#13519)

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 21, 2012, 03:39:50 AM
$2500. The price of an X1000.

I've only had the one beer, I am reading that right, right?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 21, 2012, 03:55:33 AM
So we are looking at $3490 for the top of the range model and 2495 for the cheapo bog standard one. Oh and $349 for the case.
 
No thanks. :(
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on March 21, 2012, 05:11:31 AM
Quote from: CritAnime;684592
So we are looking at $3490 for the top of the range model and 2495 for the cheapo bog standard one. Oh and $349 for the case.
 
No thanks. :(



"SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICES and FREE SHIPPING WORLDWIDE"
 
Keep in mind that's the low low introductory price. They intend on jacking it up higher later.  They did make the barebones $350, same as C64x.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on March 21, 2012, 05:22:47 AM
What is the purpose of the Amiga Mini? Home theatre? Industrial? If it is home theatre then why does it need an Intel i7?

If it is something like editing videos or whatever how can 2 2.5 inch hard drives provide sufficient storage capacity? The biggest 2.5 inch hard drive i have seen is about 600Gb whereas a 3.5 inch goes upwards of 2 Tb. Why would someone put a power house computer in a mini case?

My question is: what is the Amiga Mini supposed to be?   :confused:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 21, 2012, 05:27:20 AM
Quote from: Kesa;684598
My question is: what is the Amiga Mini supposed to be?   :confused:
A cash sink?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on March 21, 2012, 05:41:22 AM
Approx. $200 for the Motherboard, $350 for the CPU, $150 for 16GB so-dimm, $140 the Blu-Ray, $60 for the Pico-PSU, $150 for the 1TB SATA drive, $64 for the case. That adds up to $1114. And that's me buying retail, assuming they have no ability to buy in bulk and get a discount.  And you know, that's fine, I'm all for obscence profit but...
 
I'm just wondering who in their right mind buys this compared to other computers available at $2500.  WHO???
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 21, 2012, 05:53:29 AM
I don't understand the need for 16gb RAM. Especially as most user, unless they into video editing, probably won't even come close to needing that much. 6gb I can understand, 8gb at a push but everything else is wasted. Maybe even on a proffesional level.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on March 21, 2012, 06:04:09 AM
Quote from: CritAnime;684601
I don't understand the need for 16gb RAM. Especially as most user, unless they into video editing, probably won't even come close to needing that much. 6gb I can understand, 8gb at a push but everything else is wasted. Maybe even on a profesional level.

I agree. I'm guessing this is because ram is:

1 - dirt cheap

2 - an easy way to impress someone.

PS i'm having a massive takeaway fish 'n' chip craving right now   :) :(
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 21, 2012, 07:14:44 AM
I think it's to impress. It's not exactly el cheapo for RAM but it's not exactly expensive either. I think it's far too much and should be a configuartion option. The graphics card is also a poor choice. It's essentially an HTPC card and I think it will end up bottle necking the system on demanding tasks.
 
Not that HTPC cards are bad. But they aren't the powerhouses that CUSA make them out to be.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on March 21, 2012, 07:52:30 AM
I don't know much about that stuff so I'll just take your word for it.

I also think the Bluray is a bit gimicky too. Why would you put a Bluray on an Amiga? I have a PS3 and you couldn't force me to use it, so how would you get people to use it on an Amiga? Bluray is nothing more than a gimmick. Kinda like 3DTV.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on March 21, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
My friend has 16GB of RAM on his work PC, and runs his system without a page file.  I'm not sure how much of a performance increase this generates, but RAM is so cheap, who cares?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: swoslover on March 25, 2012, 05:01:11 PM
$500 dollar price drop
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 25, 2012, 06:41:59 PM
@thread

Looking at google news, there is less coverage for this than CUSA received last year on the news of the Disney connection and launch of the C64x.

However, this is probably considered "mainstream" media:

TIME (http://techland.time.com/2012/03/22/theres-a-new-amiga-and-im-a-trifle-melancholy-about-it/)

For those who like to read a lot of comments instead:

Slashdot (http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/22/1241200/amiga-returns-with-lackluster-linux-powered-mini-pc)

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 25, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: number6;685346
@thread

Looking at google news, there is less coverage for this than CUSA received last year on the news of the Disney connection and launch of the C64x.

However, this is probably considered "mainstream" media:

TIME (http://techland.time.com/2012/03/22/theres-a-new-amiga-and-im-a-trifle-melancholy-about-it/)

For those who like to read a lot of comments instead:

Slashdot (http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/22/1241200/amiga-returns-with-lackluster-linux-powered-mini-pc)

#6



I heart Slashdot.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 25, 2012, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: Harry McCracken
Seeing the Amiga moniker on a new computer is like learning that a young guitarist has decided to perform under the name Jimi Hendrix. It’s presumptuous at best, pointless at worst and unlikely to delight Hendrix fans.

Or to put it another way: I knew the Amiga. The Amiga was a computer of mine. Amiga Mini, you’re no Amiga.
I heart TIME.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 25, 2012, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;685350
I heart TIME.


Morris Day and the Time?

[youtube]hYm4C1js_l0[/youtube]

:)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on March 25, 2012, 06:56:59 PM
No, Time by ELO.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U52sP25ynE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 25, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;685352
No, Time by ELO.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U52sP25ynE[/youtube]


Wow, that's a blast from the past :D
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 25, 2012, 07:38:24 PM
@thread

Before anyone points to another article giving an opposing view, I'll add that I do not see much of an opposing view.

And I can't link to something like PCWorld, when they write:

Quote
Commodore USA, which licensed the Commodore name from a company called Commodore Gaming, gained exclusive rights to the Amiga name in August 2010, clearing the way for the launch of the all-in-one desktops.



2 and 1/2 errors in one sentence -alone- leads to a fact credibility gap methinks.

CUSA licensed from Asiarim who is now being sued, along with quite a list of others.
Amiga Inc. licensed to IContain, after the 2010 date, ergo "exclusive" term was also wrong.
Contract was re-negotiated for the exact opposite reason of NOT having to be tied to AIO, hence my "1/2 wrong" rating on that one.

Sheesh...who writes this crap.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Yasu on March 25, 2012, 10:14:41 PM
If I took my Windows Vista PC and added a boing ball background on it, it still wouldn't make it an Amiga, right? The same with this stuff. I don't think they could have made a more different product if they tried.

What annoyed me most when I saw a youtube clip about CommodoreOS was how much they tried to impress with computerized *bling-bling*. All that fancy but totally useless effects when doing normal, everyday stuff. It even started to lag when you moved your cursor over too many icons at the same time, because of all the visual effects. OK, I guess you can turn it off, but who are they trying to fool here?

All and all, this is a Linux computer and little more. Except for the nice parts and hefty price tag that is.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Master Chief on March 26, 2012, 02:37:58 AM
Quote from: Yasu;685379
If I took my Windows Vista PC and added a boing ball background on it, it still wouldn't make it an Amiga, right? The same with this stuff. I don't think they could have made a more different product if they tried.

What annoyed me most when I saw a youtube clip about CommodoreOS was how much they tried to impress with computerized *bling-bling*. All that fancy but totally useless effects when doing normal, everyday stuff. It even started to lag when you moved your cursor over too many icons at the same time, because of all the visual effects. OK, I guess you can turn it off, but who are they trying to fool here?

All and all, this is a Linux computer and little more. Except for the nice parts and hefty price tag that is.

I totally agree.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on March 26, 2012, 01:49:22 PM
Yep, Googling the news it seems they are running out of free publicity, time to break into that fictitious $30 million advertising budget.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on March 26, 2012, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: persia;685478
Yep, Googling the news it seems they are running out of free publicity, time to break into that fictitious $30 million advertising budget.



The brief history of that one:

Commodore USA Appoints Korey Kay (http://web.archive.org/web/20110408085634/http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx)

The direct quote "Projected budget: $30 million." and from reading the entire article you can see it was meant to be applied over time, not all at once.

Listed on CUSA's Board of Directors (http://web.archive.org/web/20110408085634/http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx)

Mr. Kay is not presently a board member. This is explained:

by Leo here (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/2079-questionsand-answers?limit=15&start=135&lang=en#4510)

Technology link for Korey Kay:

http://www.koreykay.com/pt7.html

The reference to work done for Commodore in the past is illustrated there.

His current involvement? Dunno.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on March 26, 2012, 03:29:42 PM
Looks like Moochie took his place on the board....

Quote from: number6;685487
The brief history of that one:

Commodore USA Appoints Korey Kay (http://web.archive.org/web/20110408085634/http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx)

The direct quote "Projected budget: $30 million." and from reading the entire article you can see it was meant to be applied over time, not all at once.

Listed on CUSA's Board of Directors (http://web.archive.org/web/20110408085634/http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx)

Mr. Kay is not presently a board member. This is explained:

by Leo here (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/2079-questionsand-answers?limit=15&start=135&lang=en#4510)

Technology link for Korey Kay:

http://www.koreykay.com/pt7.html

The reference to work done for Commodore in the past is illustrated there.

His current involvement? Dunno.

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Middleman on March 28, 2012, 05:50:22 PM
Quote from: persia;685489
Looks like Moochie took his place on the board....


Don't touch Moochie, he's a good dog! He was the one who signed off my birthday present last year! (a CUSA C64x Ultimate) :laugh1:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on March 31, 2012, 03:44:26 PM
Just got back from a few days holiday. So catching up with stuff. Been looking over at c-a.org and it seems they are going through yet another round of product updates.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/13972-whats-the-difference?lang=en#13988

Commodore USA CTO
Quote
Actually, we are reassessing our models, specs and prices right now with the feedback we have received since launch.
Current purchasers will be contacted and provided with the new choices to decide how they wish to proceed.
It's all good.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on April 09, 2012, 06:07:53 PM
Funny that's the only post referring to a re-config, and there is nothing since.
 
They do have one member that said he was going to buy a low end one, and Barry promised to rummage the tech department (Leo's desk?) for a mouse for him, because he said he was thinking about getting one from AmigaKit.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vox on April 16, 2012, 02:41:36 PM
Quote
Commodore Amigas are going with x86_64


Only CommodoreUSA "Amigas" not the OS. In fact, that is much Amiga as "Amiga" dildo
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on May 23, 2012, 10:40:51 PM
@thread

Some new advertising apparently coming in the form of contributions to a telemovie:

Commodore USA assists Underground Telemovie (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/15165-commodore-usa-assists-underground-telemovie-hacking-julian-assange-retro-etc?lang=en#15165)

Google search shows the makers of the movie were looking for "geek" hardware to add to the movie.

Quote
The art director is looking to get hold of old Commodore 64 machines, Amstrads and IBM PCs for the production.


source (http://www.zdnet.com.au/aussie-hacker-telemovie-seeks-geeky-props-339331974.htm)

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on May 24, 2012, 02:08:37 AM
Too bad they don't make any of the computers that the art director is looking for.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on May 30, 2012, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: number6;694092
@thread

Some new advertising apparently coming in the form of contributions to a telemovie:

Commodore USA assists Underground Telemovie (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/15165-commodore-usa-assists-underground-telemovie-hacking-julian-assange-retro-etc?lang=en#15165)

Google search shows the makers of the movie were looking for "geek" hardware to add to the movie.



source (http://www.zdnet.com.au/aussie-hacker-telemovie-seeks-geeky-props-339331974.htm)

#6


This makes for an interesting little snippet.

Quote
They wrapped up shooting.
All the equipment was returned as far as I can see, along with a few other odds and ends they purchased along the way.
Commodore USA will be in the credits.   

What did they purchase and why did they return it?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: AAACHIPSET on May 31, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
amiga??  where ?? .....i dont  want emulation  ...what i want is  a new custom chipset   ...bootable  dvd  an a few  other odds  an bods ..usb  be  nice  etc...if i wanted emulation id have bought  one of the amiga one boards
or  similar  ...given this  is a hobby  machine  it doesnt  have to be top of  the range  anything  ..just usable  for games  an internet  browsin  email etc  ..thats why the natami  is  a good idea  ..add ppc  to that  an you have a basic  machine  ..why  is it so hard  for these companies  to  get it  ...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vexar on May 31, 2012, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: CritAnime;686248
Just got back from a few days holiday. So catching up with stuff. Been looking over at c-a.org and it seems they are going through yet another round of product updates.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/13972-whats-the-difference?lang=en#13988

Commodore USA CTO
I wonder if that has to do with the power supply...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on June 02, 2012, 02:25:20 AM
Nah it was more to do with the fact that people were not willing to spend silly amounts of money for it. So they quickly did a u-turn and dropped the price.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on June 02, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
They are discovering the depth of the keyboard computer market makes a kiddie pool look dangerous and that nobody in their right mind is going to pay huge sums of money to a company that might not be here tomorrow.  Going into the only part of the computer market that isn't growing (desktops) was a move fraught with hazards.  I gave them a generous 50-50 chance of survival in the long term, but watching them so far I'm lowering that to a 40-60 percent chance of survival...

Disappointment doesn't begin to cover it.  There's no vision, no innovation.  They're just a large computer shop...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on June 03, 2012, 01:04:51 AM
This has been my argument with them for a while. The whole "bigger and better things to come. But in the mean time we need to sell these cheap computers at a inflated price." to me stinks of trying to make a quick buck before the bottom falls out of it. The moment they said they were making c64x with it's custom case design instantly made everyone's expectation of them shoot through the roof. And since then it seems like they are failing to recapture that same spark that got some people so hot and bothered over the c64x.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Edpon on June 26, 2012, 05:58:59 PM
Hey all,

  Been awhile since I last posted. I noticed you guys had a Commodore Amiga Mini topic thread, so this fits in just fine. Check out the 1st of 3 videos I posted on YouTube about the mini. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Lf_Auls_g

Ed
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on June 26, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Oh Jesus, somebody bought one? Don't encourage them!
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Edpon on June 26, 2012, 07:14:58 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;698081
Oh Jesus, somebody bought one? Don't encourage them!


Yeah, for multiple reasons. Looked like nice small factor computer with Commodore OS Fusion (Yes, that's what I have pre-installed, not Vision), so I can check out a very cool looking, retro computer - in software. I can also dual boot this thing to be a Win7 64Bit machine and even AROS. So many possibilities. And contrary to popular belief, it's not a $2500+ machine. Mine Was $1500. And before someone goes off on a soapbox and say - You could have bought a XXXXXX for that much, remember something: ALL Amigas now are hobby computers, so if you pay $10,000 or as little as $100, it's your choice. Mine has dual use, so it's like getting 2 or more computers in one. Just saying. . . .
Anyhow, it's meant as a service to anyone who's interested in the machine, as well as, to show that it does exist. If anyone has questions about it, fire away. If you'd like to request to see something in my video, planned for filming this weekend, and it has to do with setup, looking physicaly at the computer, prodding with the OS, let me know. Thanks all.

Ed
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: kedawa on June 27, 2012, 03:25:03 AM
There are purpose-built AROS machines that can do all that for far less money.
At least with those, some of your money might actually go towards furthering the platform.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on June 28, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Edpon;698084
And contrary to popular belief, it's not a $2500+ machine. Mine Was $1500.

Anyhow, it's meant as a service to anyone who's interested in the machine, as well as, to show that it does exist.

Ed


Congratulations on buying an i3 Mini ITX PC that could be built for less than $500 for $1500.  It's nice they were magnanimous enough to change their configurations and pricing to bring the pricing down to the point to get one customer to buy.

So, 5 months after it was announced, and 3 months after you ordered it, it does finially exist!  Man it sure takes a long time to engrave the Amiga logo on a $60 case ( I guess the crappy hand painting in the logo takes time)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on June 29, 2012, 01:29:49 AM
They never painted it....
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Edpon on July 02, 2012, 05:11:31 AM
All,

  My 2nd video on the Commodore Amiga Mini (Setup) is now live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_fuf2WS5LM&feature=youtu.be

Ed
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on July 02, 2012, 07:55:59 AM
I knew it was based on Mint but to actually see the Mint on setup is just shameful!

Forgive my ignorance but are those magnets worrying anyone being so close to the HD?

What i'd like to see you do is try out AROS and see how compatible it is. IIRC CUSA couldn't use AROS because although it is open source they still would have had to pay for sound drivers? Please try it so we can see why they didn't go with AROS and instead went with Linux.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on July 02, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
Quote from: Kesa;698680
IIRC CUSA couldn't use AROS because although it is open source they still would have had to pay for sound drivers? Please try it so we can see why they didn't go with AROS and instead went with Linux.
Supposedly they're also forbidden by AInc from including an Amiga-like operating system with their products (or is it just with "Amiga"-branded models?) But if they won't spare so much as a buck for software they actually do use, I'm sure that they'd never in a million years have sprung for sound drivers.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: gertsy on July 02, 2012, 03:33:25 PM
Looks okay.  But seems slooooowww!
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Edpon on July 02, 2012, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: gertsy;698726
Looks okay.  But seems slooooowww!


That's probably because it was the 1st time it was setup. Since I'm also interested in seeing Amiga (Traditional Amiga) flurish, I'll be the one to donate to the AROS team IF I use it on my Mini. That would be the right thing to do and help them develop more software and cover their costs for the work provided. Thanks all, please offer suggestions on what you'd like to see in the next video.

Ed
;)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on July 02, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
Quote from: Edpon;698664
All,
 
My 2nd video on the Commodore Amiga Mini (Setup) is now live.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_fuf2WS5LM&feature=youtu.be
 
Ed

Ed-
 
You expressed doubt that one could build your system minus the engravings for $500, and wanted to know where I shop? Well, your right, I exaggerated a little but, look at the following -
 
First, I shop where Barry shops for his cases, PerfectHomeTheater.com :
 
http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/HTPC-ITX2-Black-Ultra-small-aluminum-chassis-HTPC-ITX2-B.htm
 
You can get the case, power supply, and Blu-ray for $271 . P.S. That's a good link for you, because you can pick up the IR reciever and remote for your case. You'll also find virtually all of the concept cases Barry and Leo have pitched there.
 
You can get the i3-2120 for $125:
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=i3-2120+&x=20&y=13 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=i3-2120+&x=20&y=13)
 
The ZOTAC Motherboard has been discontinued and deactivated from Newegg, but when it was there it was $200 (I'll have find another thread where I had an exact price scoped out):
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500070
 
But, you can still find it for $200 here:
 
http://chucksaudiovideo.com/product/33288_Zotac-Intel-LGA-1155-Z68-Supreme-with-WiFi-GT-430-GPU-Mini-ITX-Intel-Z68-Mini-ITX-DDR3-1333-LGA-1155-Motherboards-Z68ITX-B-E-Z68ITX-B-E.html
 
 
And a 4 GB DDR3 SO-DIM, take your pick at $20: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=4gb+SO-DIMM+ddr3
 
Add a 1 TB Sata Drive for $100:
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178006
 
 
So, that adds up to $716. And if I don't buy my Blu-Ray from PerfectHomeTheater.com , (which he's not anymore because he won't pay cost for a Sony with the eject button now) I can do better.
 
That means that the Amiga engravings and profit for Barry & Co. is about $800 assuming Barry pays street price and doesn't get any dealer discounts for these rediculous "group buys" he is really doing, fronting them as 4-6 week lead times or 3 month "pre-orders". It's less than honest at best, and someone considering buying a computer from them should be made aware of what they are getting into.
 
So, in fairness, I amend my statement, you waited for 3 months for a $700 computer that you paid $1500 for. And the specifications changed from when you ordered first ordered it because they didn't trouble themselves with actually testing one before they put them out for pre-order.
 
Feel better?
 
P.S. I really feel sorry for the people who ordered a C64x Extreme in December and waited 6 months to end up getting a C64x Supreme. I've counted 2 people like that so far on the CUSA forum.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Edpon on July 03, 2012, 09:26:49 PM
@Optimus

Excellent links and research. I'll bring this up in the next video, and no I don't necessarily "Feel" better, but at least you did your homework and showed where I could have built roughly the same computer for less. It's ok though, because as I've said in previous forums, I'LL be the guinea pig for all of you, to see if this computer is worth getting, if it lives up to the sacred Amiga name (I'll tell you all honestly in the video after I've researched the OS) and if it's a good multi-OS machine. I can kind of understand now why some of you hate CUSA, but like I said in the video, I'll give any company a chance to they screw me over. No buying this machine at a nice sized profit is not screwing me over - that was my fault for not doing research and simply wanting to buy a different flavored "Amiga" machine. Thanks.

Ed
;)
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on July 03, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: Edpon;698925
I'LL be the guinea pig for all of you, to see if this computer is worth getting, if it lives up to the sacred Amiga name (I'll tell you all honestly in the video after I've researched the OS)
I can tell you right now it won't, as it has absolutely nothing in common with the Amiga. It may or may not be a decent Linux/Windows machine, but it's certainly not going to compare to an Amiga.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on July 03, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
http://forums.itxgamer.com/viewtopic.php?t=856

Someone has built an almost carbon copy of the Mini. While I don't like CUSA products it's been interesting to see them in the flesh as it were. Still think it's over priced for what it is though.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on July 03, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: Edpon;698925
@Optimus
 
Excellent links and research. I'll bring this up in the next video, and no I don't necessarily "Feel" better, but at least you did your homework and showed where I could have built roughly the same computer for less. It's ok though, because as I've said in previous forums, I'LL be the guinea pig for all of you, to see if this computer is worth getting, if it lives up to the sacred Amiga name (I'll tell you all honestly in the video after I've researched the OS) and if it's a good multi-OS machine. I can kind of understand now why some of you hate CUSA, but like I said in the video, I'll give any company a chance to they screw me over. No buying this machine at a nice sized profit is not screwing me over - that was my fault for not doing research and simply wanting to buy a different flavored "Amiga" machine. Thanks.
 
Ed
;)

I don't mean to make this personal, you at least seem to want to be objective.
 
Barry wants people to buy this to feel special and that they have bought an elite PC. They have deleted posts over at c-a.org when people have tried to share this information.
 
Ordinarily, a legitimate dealer would buy OEM components at wholesale, build the PC and mark it up to the retail price of the components, plus perhaps a small additional profit. They would do so up front and have the computer in stock. You have to do this to compete in the PC market.
 
Barry, by his own admission in the interview over here, marks it up to retail and then doubles the price (he claims he is being just like Apple).
 
When he first released the Amiga Mini, it was double the price plus $500.
 
Add to that he doesn't ever stock anything , waits for a few orders to pile up, then goes and buys the parts in bulk and assembles them.
 
Meanwhile, he rains down excuses why he can't deliver. When he posted in Early May (when 6 weeks were over and people wanted to know what the status was) that he was shipping next week, what the heck could have possibly made it take over a month?
 
When he emailed the picture of the first Mini cases and claimed they would be making hundreds per day, did you believe it?
 
He likes to claim people are close to libel and slander when they criticize him. Reality is his puffery borders on fraud.
 
Perhaps you will be perfectly happy with your purchase , and that's fine. You weren't screwed, just worked over by a furniture salesman.
 
But, I want people to go into this with both eyes open.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on July 04, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Yeah, C=USA has turned out to be no better than the dozens of Commodore and AMiga companies that have sprang up over the years.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: number6 on July 05, 2012, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: Edpon;698084
Yeah, for multiple reasons. Looked like nice small factor computer with Commodore OS Fusion (Yes, that's what I have pre-installed, not Vision),



Although I saw the term "Fusion" referenced prior, I now see that both Leo and Barry have written a bit about it:

source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/10-commodore-os-videos/15672-commodore-amiga-mini-setup-video-now-on-youtube?limit=15&start=15#15734)

#6
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Optimus on July 05, 2012, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: number6;699148
Although I saw the term "Fusion" referenced prior, I now see that both Leo and Barry have written a bit about it:
 
source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/10-commodore-os-videos/15672-commodore-amiga-mini-setup-video-now-on-youtube?limit=15&start=15#15734)
 
#6

:rofl:
 
So, BBAussie is sick, despite in January writing he was putting the Amiga Mini through the paces (And while I wish no ill of anyone, he seemed well enough to kindly threaten TheDaddy for using an Amiga sticker on the X500Plus), Barry goes and tries to load COS Vision on the first Mini and it goes belly up.
 
So Barry decides to load up the latest Mint and copy some Commodore Wallpapers and VICE over to it and call it Fusion? :roflmao:
 
And, this is not a failure on thier flagship Amiga computer, but the future?:biglaugh:
 
Then, Barry calls all of the customers up (Ed and ?) and tells them he's sorry, COS Vision won't run on it, but the new Fusion will, and asks if they want to wait for Vision and they all (again, Ed and ?) say hell no ship me my PC that I was supposed to get in April?
 
@Edpon, I'm guessing the conversation didn't exactly go that way...care to elaborate?  When did the Barron bless you with his personal call to let you know of your "upgrade" to Fusion.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vox on August 14, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: persia;699009
Yeah, C=USA has turned out to be no better than the dozens of Commodore and AMiga companies that have sprang up over the years.


I do vote its worse ever. Before we were not threatened, spammed and treated as low lives. The false promises are in best newer Amiga Inc tradition

And yes, I haven`t seen even famous 3rd Amiga Mini video showing C=OS in operation, neither any new C=USA "Amiga" model. Has anyone bited the nail and became futher OEM rebrander  (http://anticusa.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/cusa-custom-configurator-programme/)turning anything to Amiga (http://anticusa.wordpress.com/with-cusa-anything-can-be-amiga/)?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vox on August 16, 2012, 12:34:33 PM
Quote from: persia;699009
Yeah, C=USA has turned out to be no better than the dozens of Commodore and AMiga companies that have sprang up over the years.


Can someone do an article on comparison of C=USA and Amiga Inc style (and their relationship?) Would gladly publish it.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vox on August 16, 2012, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: number6;699148
Although I saw the term "Fusion" referenced prior, I now see that both Leo and Barry have written a bit about it:

source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/10-commodore-os-videos/15672-commodore-amiga-mini-setup-video-now-on-youtube?limit=15&start=15#15734)

#6


The above link is as dead as their old forum. Surely, they praise ripping of Mint 13 (wonder will they remove Mint logo during install as appeared here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_fuf2WS5LM )
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vox on August 17, 2012, 09:02:47 AM
Quote from: kedawa;678508
That's no excuse.
Product announcements aren't a legal contract.


Yes, but not doing what one promise, discredits individual,
bussiness especially
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Edpon on November 27, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
All,

  After a long wait to make the final (3rd in the series video) of the Commodore USA Amiga Mini, I've decided not to make a video or even entertain the thought of showing what "was" once a computer branded by Commodore USA as an Amiga alternative. My original thought was to show all possibilities of Amigas available, whether we thought of them as true Amigas or not, and to offer people an insight into what is available and for YOU to make up your mind. Now that these guys no longer (as of 27 Nov 12) offer Amigas of any flavor, I see no reason to make a video to show off what you could have bought/made yourself. Thanks.

P.S. - I enjoyed my AmigaOne 500 Plus a lot more anyhow.

Ed
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on November 27, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
I know we often quipped about these machines. But just goes to show how much of a flash in the pan these machines really are. They can't hold down hardware configs or designs for too long. The C64x seems to be the only kind of stable product they have.... and thats on the case.

Do you have any vids of the AmigaOne 500 running? Be curious to see one properly running in a real world situation.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on November 27, 2012, 10:42:47 PM
Flash in the pan, nothing more.  Probably would be an official branded Amiga again in a while...
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Maximius on December 01, 2012, 09:48:10 AM
Maybe Amiga Mini or Amiga Mio will be introduced again, joining other configurations. Anyway I'm still waiting the new Amiga 1000 or Amiga 500.
I discovered other resellers in Europe like http://www.amibyte.com (http://www.amibyte.com), they sell "cheap" Amiga Mini configurations but actually they are  out of stock about that.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Darrin on December 01, 2012, 11:20:51 PM
Quote from: Maximius;717047
Maybe Amiga Mini or Amiga Mio will be introduced again, joining other configurations. Anyway I'm still waiting the new Amiga 1000 or Amiga 500.
I discovered other resellers in Europe like http://www.amibyte.com (http://www.amibyte.com), they sell "cheap" Amiga Mini configurations but actually they are  out of stock about that.


Probably because that CCC isn't a "real" one and seems to belone to a property reseller in Italy IIRC.  It was probably created to encourage others, except nobody wants to buy overpriced stock from a dubious supplier and then have to try and mark it up again in order to make money while being legally resonsible for all tech support and repairs.

Ah yes, here's the quote I needed from a thread on AW.net (from our friend Critanime above ;) ):
Quote
Someone has linked an apparent CCC. Going to the page it's a mess. There are links there to buy a c64x but it goes to no shop page. Also looking at the contact details the site belongs to someone who rents holiday appartments in italy.


From what I've heard, nobody signed up for the CCC program because the terms of the deal are absurd (Something about buying them for 15% less than Barry's retail price in quantities >10).

Enjoy your wait for an underpowered/overpriced PC with a misleading Amiga sticker on it and running free Linux.  If you're really bored waiting then just buy the case yourself from the real manufactuer and put your own mobo in it.

Go to the "Streacom" website and check out their latest version of the case which is the "F1C EVO".

Mind you, you know all of this anyway because you post over on the C-USA website along with the other 14 members.  The question is, who sent you here to try and mislead us or is it nobody answers your questions over there?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on December 02, 2012, 01:25:02 AM
To be fair to Maximus I get the feeling his name was just lumped with the reseller because he brought it up on their board. Again the lack of stock on the Mini is probably because the origional case is probably eol. The only reason I can see the slim been still in stock is because the manufacturer is probably still churning them out for other people. Because wasn't Ubuntu gonna start shipping them.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Darrin on December 02, 2012, 01:43:51 AM
Quote from: CritAnime;717122
To be fair to Maximus I get the feeling his name was just lumped with the reseller because he brought it up on their board. Again the lack of stock on the Mini is probably because the origional case is probably eol. The only reason I can see the slim been still in stock is because the manufacturer is probably still churning them out for other people. Because wasn't Ubuntu gonna start shipping them.


Ah, then I'm sorry for doubting Maximus.  I thought he was a CUSA drone sent here to try and convince people that the company was still alive with viable products.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on December 02, 2012, 02:04:49 AM
It's interesting that the C64 uses the same processor as the ultimate flash in a pan, the netbook.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on December 02, 2012, 02:39:56 AM
Quote from: Darrin;717125
Ah, then I'm sorry for doubting Maximus.  I thought he was a CUSA drone sent here to try and convince people that the company was still alive with viable products.


Well I thought that at one bit. But looking through their post history here and on the CUSA forums I think they are just an innocent bystander in all this. But I have been wrong before :laughing:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on December 06, 2012, 01:28:49 AM
I often wonder what direction they are actually going in. If there is even a driection at all. For all the bluster that we had to endure with the initial news of Commodore USA I now wonder what exactly it is that they are trying to acheive.
 
Their entire product line has seen so many revisions it makes Apple look conservative with theirs. The OS seems to be like some kind of inside joke, remember when they tried calling it workbench 5?
 
Their forums are hardly what i would call full. New members seem to be spawning (there is a script for their forum engine that generates fake members) in there yet for every new member that appears there seems to be very little that actually gets said. And what is said seems to be from the same four or five people. Even technical support is been done by non-commodore members because it takes so long for any of them to reply to messages.
 
Are they dead in the water or are they simply waiting for the next in a series of floggings at the dead horse. But then I realise that it's only CUSA and I should sit back and eat some popcorn.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on December 06, 2012, 02:41:54 AM
Crit, what does it say in your sig? Did you sell your A600 and got an A1200? I thought you loved that thing!   :confused:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on December 06, 2012, 03:03:26 AM
I have sold it, or in the process of selling it. While I do not wish to dwell, it would bring a tear to my eye, it was time for us to part. I am getting the bits together to pimp out a 1200 so needed the funding.
 
On a side note i worked out it would cost over £1k in vat, shipping and handling fee's to get cases sent from CUSA to the UK.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Kesa on December 06, 2012, 03:07:10 AM
Quote from: CritAnime;717739
I have sold it, or in the process of selling it. While I do not wish to dwell, it would bring a tear to my eye, it was time for us to part. I am getting the bits together to pimp out a 1200 so needed the funding.
 
On a side note i worked out it would cost over £1k in vat, shipping and handling fee's to get cases sent from CUSA to the UK.

:confused:
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Darrin on December 09, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: CritAnime;717739
On a side note i worked out it would cost over £1k in vat, shipping and handling fee's to get cases sent from CUSA to the UK.


Well that would eat up the 15% discount.  Owch!
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: SysAdmin on December 20, 2012, 04:18:11 AM
Amiga Mini outer guts available again?

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AMIGAminiSelect.aspx

It sure looks like it.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: haywirepc on December 20, 2012, 05:20:52 PM
Oh boy a 40$ case for 300$ because it has an ethed logo instead of a sticker?

Thats awesome.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on December 21, 2012, 02:41:08 PM
The page still exists for the old products. They simply remove the link. If you look the mio is still there along with the Vic pro.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: vexar on December 22, 2012, 03:20:08 PM
So I hopped onto the Commodore.net site and saw that the C64x and VIC-Slim are on there for very low prices (historically) and I'm wondering what's up.  
No news, no plans, is Barry just packing it in and clearing out inventory?  This strikes me as a dying moment.  To think that a year ago, I was strongly considering an Amiga-Mini.  One little tic in the back of my mind was "will they even be here in a year?" and it proved a reasonable notion.  
I feel sorry for everyone who did buy an Amiga Mini and feels the way I probably would feel.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on December 22, 2012, 03:52:41 PM
@vexar

USD1295 for an atom based machine cheap?  In which decade are you living?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: commodorejohn on December 22, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: persia;720021
USD1295 for an atom based machine cheap?  In which decade are you living?
Is this more of that "well, $1295 is cheap by 1982 standards" bullcrap?
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: CritAnime on December 22, 2012, 11:43:09 PM
You can buy the ZOTAC D2700-ITX WiFi Supreme for £150 (roughly I have seen it lower though) and the same case for around £50-£70.
 
--edit
 
for some reaons I though we were taling about the Amiga Mini case. Didn't notice he said the c64x case.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: VuData on December 26, 2012, 09:23:40 AM
I've noticed that people seemed willing to pay a reasonable premium for the Commodore Gaming cases / mouse mats that appeared on Amibay (and a well known auction site) a while ago.

CUSA obviously have some contacts in manufacturing, why don't they just sell Commodore / Amiga branded cases and accessories?

Just price them right (appears to be a bit of a problem), lose the crap website (an ebay store is a probably a better option), stop pretending to have anything to do with Commodore / Amiga of the past and resist the urge to brand anything and everything (like the Tullip Commodore branded CD storage towers).

I'd love to be able to buy a commodore branded case, keyboard, mouse & mousemat and would easily pay a premium. An FPGAArcade in on of those Amiga mini cases would be sweet.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: persia on December 26, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
Everyone knew that the only more stupid thing to do than launching into the desktop market would have been to launch into the netbook market.  The Commodore name had some retro street cred of course, which made it natural to launch into a shrinking saturated market, but the name now becomes a liability when considering the phone or tablet market.  

I really thought they'd last two years after they started selling product, so I guess that makes me an optimist.
Title: Re: Commodore Amiga Mini
Post by: Darrin on December 27, 2012, 05:42:37 PM
Quote from: VuData;720338
I'd love to be able to buy a commodore branded case, keyboard, mouse & mousemat and would easily pay a premium. An FPGAArcade in on of those Amiga mini cases would be sweet.


We told them that over a year ago.