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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: asian1 on June 07, 2005, 05:15:57 PM
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There is a statement on AmigaWorld.Net by HyperionMP (aka Ben Hermans) about porting AmigaOS 4 to Cell CPU.
If this statement is not a hoax, IMO they will face difficult hardware problems because:
1. Distribution priority: IBM (servers), Toshiba (HDTV), Sony (PS3), last Merchant Market/ OEM.
2. IBM is having yield problems on their 970/G5. I am afraid they will have similar problems with CELL.
3. Who will design the reference motherboard for merchant market?
Who will mass manufacture the motherboards?
Can the motherboard compete with X86 motherboards?
Will HyperionMP use SONY PS3 as the main hardware?
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Who is Eric Cartman's father?
Is it Mr. Garrison?
Is it Dr. Mephisto?
Is it that little monkey guy?
Is it officer officer Barbrady?
Is it chief RuningWater?
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@ Asian1
Can you provide a link to this? I have just been to aw.net (via a proxy in work) and i Cannot see this.
Thanks
Kev
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AFAIK they haven't announced such a thing. Why to spread rumors...
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Im awaiting either :
1. To get home and check this.
2. Confirmation that this is a made up totally not-needed statement.
Kev
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It is this (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12832&forum=2#178391) thread I think Asian is talking about, message nr 60 I guess.. (Bottom page 3).
Read into it what you will..
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x56h34 wrote:
Who is Eric Cartman's father?
It's Mrs. Cartman! :lol:
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Not to mention this post (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=12832&forum=2&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#178480).
Just read all the responces by HyperionMP in that topic.
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x56h34 wrote:
Who is Eric Cartman's father?
Is it Mr. Garrison?
Is it Dr. Mephisto?
Is it that little monkey guy?
Is it officer officer Barbrady?
Is it chief RuningWater?
Answer: None of the above. :-D
Edit: Doh, whabang beat me too it.
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The statement doesn't say much else than that it is possible to port future OSes to Cell-CPUs. So? It's possible to port it to ARM, x86, or 68k too for that matter.
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Sony are members of the Open Content Platform Association so I guess...maybe...mmm....nah.....then again.... Oh I give up, it's hurting my brain. :-o :-? :-o
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whabang wrote:
The statement doesn't say much else than that it is possible to port future OSes to Cell-CPUs. So? It's possible to port it to ARM, x86, or 68k too for that matter.
Yes, but how does that equate to the oft stated fact that there is no license for AmigaOS 4 to run on anything except AmigaOnes, coupled with Alan Redhouse's statement that there will be no further development or production runs unless the interest shown is in the thousands of units bracket?
It doesn't add up.
That's not even going into the reality of the suitability of AmigaOS4 (or any other Amiga related OS) for use in embedded applications. Not to mention that talk of a "multimedia powerhouse" is a ridiculous overstatement at this stage.
But hey, what do I know? Apparently I'm one of the people who are responsible for all the problems... :roll:
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It doesn't add up.
Mystery Device???
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Argo wrote:
It doesn't add up.
Mystery Device???
Ah yes, I forgot the "We Haven't Really Thought This Through So We'll Make Up Some Thingy And Call It a Mystery Device" kit. Last one I saw in that category was a wooden mock-up in a glass case at the Kensigton WoA in '99...
I really don't think AmigaOS4 has a prayer in the embedded market, regardless of device. It may be the one sector that is growing, but it is also a highly competitive one with most of the participants throwing in wads of R&D funding.
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I tought the cell in question was off the white, padded kind where sharp objects is absolutely forbidden.
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=12832&forum=2&start=180&viewmode=flat&order=0#179126
I still don't know if they can port to anything. It seems to depend on who responds. :-?
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bhoggett wrote:
It doesn't add up.
Nope. But someone got the opportunity to use the words "multimedia" and "embedded systems type hardware". Isn't that all that counts?
BTW, why is Ben Hermans' aw.nut account marked with "Hyperion"? He doesn't even work there anymore, does he?
But hey, what do I know? Apparently I'm one of the people who are responsible for all the problems... :roll:
You too? :D
Yeah, or they didn't try hard enough to "defy commercial logic".
(Damn, I'm taking that sentence and running with it now! :))
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T_Bone said on aw.net:
This is where you guys are screwing with my head. I hear, "If you can prove...we might consider it"
I wonder who proved that the Teron CX motherboard, with a single digit number of owners at the time, with 1998 level technology in 2001, with an $800 pricetag, and then with more and more problems and (missing) features being discovered over time, was a viable candidate for AmigaOS bundling. In fact, the ONLY viable option for selling AmigaOS -- at all! The option preferred over eg. an iMac, PowerMac, PowerBook or Pegasos.
And then the Teron PX, and after that the Teron Mini.
Yeah, I'd like to see that proof.
Technology and commercial viability isn't allowed a role in this play, I'm afraid.
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You got a big mouth but you know nothing and wouldn't handle this situation any better than they do so why do you even open it?
Really, is you life about trolling only? You sit here doing nothing but telling everyone your opinions wich you think is the truth.
Please, get a life or at least think before you answer.
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I had to switch to threaded mode to figure out what the heck you were replying to, as it didn't seem to be in response to anything in this thread. But hey, apparently it was a reply to my post.
HotRod wrote:
You got a big mouth but you know nothing and wouldn't handle this situation any better than they do so why do you even open it?
Saying that a fellow user here knows nothing is a prime example of a personal attack (http://www.amiga.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=6). Saying "what the heck are you talking about? A lissencephalic rhesus monkey on LSD could have handled the situation better than AInc!" is not a personal attack.
Really, is you life about trolling only?
Trolling? You lost me now. Ah, now I get it...
Helpful Hint #34 for Success On Teh Interweb: The amigaworld.net definition of "trolling" does not apply anywhere outside amigaworld.net.
You sit here doing nothing but telling everyone your opinions wich you think is the truth.
Was that supposed to be an insult, or just a general observation on the whole concept of "discussion"? Yes, I write my opinions. This is a forum for discussion. Ergo, people read and write eachother's opinions. Hopefully, they usually believe in what they say as well. If they didn't, it could be called "hypocrisy", "lying" or "marketing".
Please, get a life or at least think before you answer.
Done. Thanks for the reminder!
:)
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This same guy just used his excellent charm and etiquette at me in a conversation over at aw.net too.
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Seehund wrote:
I wonder who proved that the Teron CX motherboard, [...] was a viable candidate for AmigaOS bundling.
Excuse me, but doesn't Apple's recent move more or less prove that the A1 (as buggy and expensive as it might be) was the *only* viable candidate for AmigaOS bundling?
I'm not defending the A1 - but it was 'born' (I forgot what kind of derogatory term you're usually using instead ;-)) to run AmigaOS and only AmigaOS. Redhouse is unlikely to switch to another CPU, prefer MorphOS, play lawyer games, try to circumvent licensing conditions etc.
What other platforms meet these requirements?
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ottomobiehl
I really like your avatar. That's a cool design.
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cgutjahr wrote:
Seehund wrote:
I wonder who proved that the Teron CX motherboard, [...] was a viable candidate for AmigaOS bundling.
Excuse me, but doesn't Apple's recent move more or less prove that the A1 (as buggy and expensive as it might be) was the *only* viable candidate for AmigaOS bundling?
(I should've written "sales", not just "bundling", since Hermans said sth like "show us a better candidate and we'll consider it", as if the licensing requirement wasn't there and technical/commercial merits could be considered first.)
The Terons were worse options than PPC Macs were in 2001. They're even worse in 2005, and won't become more attractive just because the major PPC desktop vendor will abandon PPC next year.
I'll be lazy and quote myself from Moobunny to save some typing:
Even with a set end date for PPC Mac sales, that hardware market would be vast compared to what we have now. The special "Amiga hardware" market is obviously a dead end that is as long as a Rizla paper is thick, while the PPC Mac market in comparison is a dead end the size of Broadway.
I'm not defending the A1 - but it was 'born' (I forgot what kind of derogatory term you're usually using instead ;-)) to run AmigaOS and only AmigaOS.
The Terons were born to let hardware developers develop ArticiaS-based hardware. Then a shop in the UK thought they could sell them to AmigaOS users, and struck an exclusive deal with AInc who needed any cash they could get, long term effects be damned. But I digress...
Redhouse is unlikely to switch to another CPU,
Redhouse can only sell what others will sell to him. He hasn't got any control over hardware development or the hardware market. Eyetech is a middleman, no matter if you think they're needed or redundant. The licensing doesn't guarantee anything, it only excludes options. Mai Logic may be gone tomorrow, if they're not gone already, and there we and AmigaOS are, stuck waiting for "someone" to find "something else" to buy a useless licence for while the world moves on.
prefer MorphOS,
If there was no licensing/bundling/dongling requirement, it wouldn't matter much what OS, if any, that a hardware vendor would prefer.
It's WITH that requirement in place that AmigaOS by default loses all hardware options from any vendor that already sells another OS (and thus isn't interested in getting an AInc licence), or risk losing hardware options if an existing licensee would change his mind (let's pretend that "anyone is free to apply for a licence" wasn't a lie).
play lawyer games, try to circumvent licensing conditions etc.
Anyone can sue anyone, licensee or not. What's it got to with this?
Circumvent licensing conditions? None of the publicly presented conditions -- the ones that we were told would be Good For Us -- have been met by the single existing licencee!
What other platforms meet these requirements?
You probably know that I'm one of those who'd like to see the compulsory hardware licensing removed altogether, so that technical and commercial aspects could reign supreme when it comes to choosing target hardware for AmigaOS.
As you can see, with the licensing requirement, the available options have been reduced to... One. And approaching zero.
Heck, since AmigaOS can't sell outside the current hard core with the current arrangement, it could just as well be zero. There's no growth, the same old decline continues, but now it's declining on faster hardware. :P
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html
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Ben needs to put the pipe down. :lol:
Next he'll say that Cell has been implemented in the Zico standard.
Don't fall for this BS guys.
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Better to port OS4 to the Pegasos (it is already done!). Nate and Kermit can manage it and Wennie can promote it. :-D
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Better to port OS4 to the Pegasos (it is already done!). Nate and Kermit can manage it and Wennie can promote it.
Wow! That's fantastic, you managed to get OS4 ported to the Pegasos..
A) Without a license.
B) Before it's finished.
Excellent.
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Hello bbrv. Nice to see you haven't lost the ability to talk out of orifices other than the mouth.
Edit: Are you sure Nate wants anything to do with you? Or did you pay him the 6500 ;-)
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Mikey_C I thin bbrv mean that Pegasos hardware was done and functional. Unlike the bugs poeple talk about for that other PPC mobo.
In any event all this make the Dragon ColdFire look just that much more appealing.
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Er, that's not what he meant and you know it.
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@lou_dias:
damn, I was reading the same thing and wanted to post it here.
While it all seems a *huge* thing, with veeeery little chances of reality, it is what amiga was all about at first: gaming
Amiga's had a great OS, and great hardware, and guess what: people would rarely load the OS, just skipped it and booted games instead. So, the PS3 will be bought by 99% of it's customers for a gaming machine. There is another 1% that will boot it's companion OS cd's, so maybe OS4 has a place there ;-) I.e: Great OS, great hardware. Amiga all over again. Maybe not in a form most of us would like (i.e. desktop computer), but that didnt stop the A500 from becoming one (and the PS3 *can* be one).
Quote from the article:
Maybe a new OS might come out.
But anyway, I really dont thing that Sony will take notice of the small AmigaOS existance in the universe, or if it will find anything useful to do with it compared to todays OS'es out there, but here's to hoping!
My .2 euros
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boing wrote:
In any event all this make the Dragon ColdFire look just that much more appealing.
I could not agree more & it comes out at the end of the month providing the processors begin mass manufacture on the 15th. :-D
Has anyone else out there heard that IBM now has 3 Cell customers? IBM has not named them but one is involved with medical technology and the other target identification systems, for the military no less.Mmm...the Cell seems to be more versatile than some would have us believe. :shocked:
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Better to port OS4 to the Pegasos (it is already done!). Nate and Kermit can manage it and Wennie can promote it.
No. If at all, you might have hacked something together, but that is not what I call a port, and anything in that direction MUST pass Hyperion and Amiga, otherwise it is theft.
Repeat: There is no AmigaOS 4.0 port for any Pegasos, nor is there any plan at this time to do so. Any new port will in any case not start before OS 4 is finished.
No need to discuss this further, I am not going to read this thread anyway.