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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS -- Development => Topic started by: on April 28, 2003, 11:19:27 PM
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From the AROS dev-list
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Harald Frank
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[AROS-Dev] mail test, do not read..
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Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:24:44 +0100
as i said... :P
Flame away gents!
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Without giving to much away from a private subscription list (I might get thrown off!), I think this could be good for AROS as he wrote the powerpci.library stuff for Amithlon, as long as he sticks to the licence model (Which I have no doubt he will), then this can only be a good thing, especially now that AROS is being proted to Pegasos and we have AHI support from Martin.
Bye bye OS4! ;-)
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Well, if it gets ported to AmigaONE or the cheaper Teron boards that is!
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Anyone who trusts Harald Frank or even goes in to any sort of partnership with him after his Amithlon stunt deserves what they get.
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Anyone who trusts Harald Frank or even goes in to any sort of partnership with him after his Amithlon stunt deserves what they get.
I'm trying to be diplomatic here. At least he's offered to help, as Billsey would probably say "Everyone deserves a second chance" Or summat like that! ;-)
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If he wants to help then great for AROS but people must never trust a bad apple especially in the Amiga community.
"Everyone deserves a second chance" i would agree with that for most people.
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mdma wrote:
Without giving to much away from a private subscription list (I might get thrown off!), I think this could be good for AROS as he wrote the powerpci.library stuff for Amithlon, as long as he sticks to the licence model (Which I have no doubt he will), then this can only be a good thing, especially now that AROS is being proted to Pegasos and we have AHI support from Martin.
Bye bye OS4! ;-)
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Well, if it gets ported to AmigaONE or the cheaper Teron boards that is!
Are you implying that Mr Frank will write a JIT 68K emulator for AROS? I don't recall AmigaOS API 3.x being AmigaOS API 4.x. Not quite a "bye bye OS4!" It's not even MorphOS level.
All I can say about AROS is nice (i.e. from some of my free time, I'm currently playing with build package 2003-04-26 X86 AROS). I wouldn't say it's "AmigaOS 4.0" at this time (i.e. goals are some what different).
AROS's current build and goals (legacy** goals seems to be bottom of the list) wouldn’t displace my active Amiga Forever/JIT-WinUAE 8.22.R6/AmigaOS 3.9 setup.
**Running 68k applications on non-68k HW context. Running Amiga like OS has their limits.
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Are you implying that Mr Frank will write a JIT 68K emulator for AROS? I don't recall AmigaOS API 3.x being AmigaOS API 4.x. Not quite a "bye bye OS4!" It's not even MorphOS level.
No, I was implying that it would be good to have proper pci device support in AROS, so that things like AHI and the like can have drivers written/ported quickly. If the man can do it then great.
AROS's current build and goals (legacy** goals seems to be bottom of the list) wouldn?t displace my active Amiga Forever/JIT-WinUAE 8.22.R6/AmigaOS 3.9 setup.
Maybe, but AROS-native+TCP/IP+openpci+ahi+sblive+68k-JIT would replace amithlon for most people. UAE can be ported to AROS for the Hardware bashing stuff, which would in turn replace Winblows/Linux+UAE-JIT for many people.
If the whole lot is then running on PPC motherboards, then why use AOS4/MorphOS. At this rate AROS will probably be at this stage before AOS4 is released anyhow. (IMNSHO)
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No, I was implying that it would be good to have proper pci device support in AROS, so that things like AHI and the like can have drivers written/ported quickly. If the man can do it then great.
Sounds ok. Just hope it wouldn't back fire on AROS group.
Maybe, but AROS-native+TCP/IP+openpci+ahi+sblive+68k-JIT would replace amithlon for most people.
IF that was the case and it's on X86 (including sblive) platform, I'll jump ship without reservations. The near term goals of AROS wouldn’t permit that.
I personally do have reservation on PowerPC platform not due to performance but on the companies backing it (i.e. the Motorola’s commitment issues and alternative PPC sources not just IBM). IF AMD takes PowerPC as it’s second CPU line instead of MIPS then these factors may change (speculation/wish list/another topic).
UAE can be ported to AROS for the Hardware bashing stuff,
Of course. Any “address range trapping” like in AmigaOS 4.x would be nice.
which would in turn replace Winblows/Linux+UAE-JIT for many people.
That would be an assumption in regards to “many people”. It would be nice to have another real competitor in the consumer desktop OS market.
PS; I don't consider Linux (at this time) as a “consumer desktop OS” since one has to build/compile source codes not just consume (i.e. "obtain and play" mentality).
If the whole lot is then running on PPC motherboards, then why use AOS4/MorphOS.
Well, the AOS4 delivers the official API upgrade path i.e. like Windows 3.11 to Windows 95/98/ME to Windows XP to Windows XP 64(internal beta stage). It comes down to “the name” issue and rights to upgrading the API family.
Secondly, the AROS's focus is somewhat different to AOS4.
At this rate AROS will probably be at this stage before AOS4 is released anyhow. (IMNSHO)
Can you guarantee AROS will fulfill the needs and goals of AOS4?
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Hammer wrote:
PS; I don't consider Linux (at this time) as a “consumer desktop OS” since one has to build/compile source codes not just consume (i.e. "obtain and play" mentality).
I hate to get pedantic, but can I ask that you recognize that you're recoiling at the idea of managing/configuring the build process yourself? Compiling source *can* easily be as 'obtain and play' as installing binaries; similarly, there are many Linux distros that can happily run from binary packages.
The problem is more often "distro hell" - finding a package configured for your particular distribution, with no errors or idiosyncracies in its construction - and package management systems that don't handle appropriate versioning/rejection. Most installation problems on *NIX are no different from installation problems on AmigaOS: putting files in the wrong directories, or looking for the wrong versions of libraries- it's just that the system is an order of magnitude more complex, and the user is probably an order of magnitude less familiar with it.
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I wonder if AROS will go the way of Amithlon with this new addition ? :(
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Flame away gents!
Nicholas, you know that being in the AROS Dev team is a priviledge, and not a duty on our part, right? That means that there are some rules which have to be respected, the most important one being respect itself, respect for other developers.
It's not nice, to say the least, to exhort people to flame about the fact that one person, that you happen to not like, is part of the development team - just like you are. Harald Frank has been part of the Team, although just idled until now, since 1997 March 10th.
If Harald now wants to contribute to the project, he's free to do so, as everyone else, and will have to accept the licensing policies, just like everyone else. If you've got some personal opinions about Harald, keep them for yourself, or expose them in public - if you really can't help it - without involving AROS.
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Floid wrote:
Hammer wrote:
PS; I don't consider Linux (at this time) as a “consumer desktop OS” since one has to build/compile source codes not just consume (i.e. "obtain and play" mentality).
I hate to get pedantic, but can I ask that you recognize that you're recoiling at the idea of managing/configuring the build process yourself?
I do enough of that at work and my home Linux box. One has recognized that not everyone has the mindset and time to build their own binaries (from source code). This topic is outside the Harald Frank/AROS issue.
This is why Tao’s VP and MS's dotNET has the opportunity to fix, solve and make things easier.
An effective invention comes into play when it makes things easier and makes use the limit time we have.
Compiling source *can* easily be as 'obtain and play' as installing binaries; similarly, there are many Linux distros that can happily run from binary packages.
What would be the conditions for that to happen?
Are you suggesting we go back to command line interface? (Where’s the progress in that?)
putting files in the wrong directories, or looking for the wrong versions of libraries-
I rarely put files into the wrong directory (in regards to the AmigaOS). Anyway, we still have WIMP based Directory Opus 5 for this. A larger magnitude of problems will consume similar portion of time.
These are some of the reasons why the Windows/X86 platform has a massive boat anchor (for home and office desktops).
Linux ecosystem may find itself backwards against the incoming transparent re-compiling ecosystems.
The AmigaOS is a consumer desktop OS, i.e. a 'brain dead' user should be able play games (plug and play), manage their files, word process, paint, draw, encode, decode, send email, surf the net, insert plug and play cards (retail), install software via a common install shield/script, install drivers (without Linux style manual recompile) and ‘etc’.
Its just step up from mainstream “Playstation/GameCube/X-Box generation” users. Ask your self this question i.e. what was the original goals of the Amiga500/1200** in regards to it’s general usage?
**the last formula that worked with the Amiga.
PS; I do realize that AROS maybe the means towards this end (i.e. an open source *migaOS). That’s why I stated AROS is nice. It’s has potential.
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Nicholas, you know that being in the AROS Dev team is a priviledge, and not a duty on our part, right? That means that there are some rules which have to be respected, the most important one being respect itself, respect for other developers.
It's not nice, to say the least, to exhort people to flame about the fact that one person, that you happen to not like, is part of the development team - just like you are. Harald Frank has been part of the Team, although just idled until now, since 1997 March 10th.
If Harald now wants to contribute to the project, he's free to do so, as everyone else, and will have to accept the licensing policies, just like everyone else. If you've got some personal opinions about Harald, keep them for yourself, or expose them in public - if you really can't help it - without involving AROS.
@Fabio
As I said above I think that Haralds involvement is good for AROS especially on the pci stuff.
The "Flame away gents!" was a joke, maybe a silly one but meant good naturedly. If Harald is offended (Are you reading Harald?), then I apologise. I knew the "religious zealots" on here wouldn't be able to contain themselves, maybe I should've put my thoughts about Haralds involvement in my first post. I have no problem with Harald at all. He's never done anything to me, and I respect him as a developer.
Regards,
Nik
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I dont think me or Paul are religious zealots... since we're the only two who responded with even mildly negative comments... I think thats pretty funny to start labeling us things right away like that.
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VMC Harald Frank, Developer and Founder of... AROS ?! :lol:
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heimert wrote:
VMC Harald Frank, Developer and Founder of... AROS ?! :lol:
:lol:
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Religious zealots? There was nothing religious or zealous mentioned, apart from the fact that negative comment is about a man what took one of the most popular and best selling Amiga product in years and shat all over the real author and killed a product.
VMC Harald Frank, Destroyer and Killer of... Amithlon ?!
Religious zealots :roflmao:
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I'm a religious zealot. I believe something very strongly. I would be the last person to know WHAT it is....but something seems really important.
:-)
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Anyone who imagines that opposition to Harald Frank comes from "religious zealots"
should spend a few hours reading Harald's posts on the amithlon or amithlonopen Yahoo
lists. I dare ya. I double dare ya.
If you haven't had enough by then, go back and check out Bernie's posts in those
same threads, and see which one seems more rational, and which one tries to
support his case with coherent, relevant detail.
Sometimes, it really is all one way---no grey area, no moral equivocation. But
don't trust my word, go read the lists!
Walter
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@mdma
Without giving to much away from a private subscription list (I might get thrown off!), I think this could be good for AROS as he wrote the powerpci.library stuff for Amithlon, as long as he sticks to the licence model (Which I have no doubt he will), then this can only be a good thing, especially now that AROS is being proted to Pegasos and we have AHI support from Martin.
That raises an interesting scenario:
Mr Frank has always claimed that Bernd Meyer cannot use any code or technology developed for Amithlon in any other project because he claims part ownership of all involved IP.
Converesely, one would have to assume that this also means that Mr. Frank cannot use any of the technology he's developed for Amithlon in any other project without Bernd Meyer's express premission.
(The above assumes Mr Frank is correct, so this would apply from his point of view)
If he does go ahead and contribute Amithlon technology to the AROS project, doesn't that void any claims he has over Bernd Meyer's work?
hmmm...
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@bhoggett
If he does go ahead and contribute Amithlon technology to the AROS project, doesn't that void any claims he has over Bernd Meyer's work?
If only life were that easy....
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Well I think this is very good news. I can't see a problem with this, as the work is to be submitted under the AROS licence. Don't worry have trust in the AROS team. They rule.
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Well I think this is very good news
Me too. That's why I posted the item in the first place.
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I obviously missed something. Has Harald volunteered
to supply a a specific component to AROS (such as a
PCI library or device)? Or are you speculating based
on his contribution to Amithlon?
In any case, I wish you, and AROS, luck in your
dealings with him. I hope the project continues smoothly
and peacefully (note that the Amithlon disputes were
not all over intellectual property ownership, but also
about bug-fixing responsibility, and, by extension,
how components should work together).
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Has Harald volunteered
to supply a a specific component to AROS (such as a
PCI library or device)?
You are on the right track sort of. I think this is excellent news myself.
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it's only good news if Frank doesn't lose his mind and blow up. (I HAVE read the yahoo amithlon lists. and it's horrifying!!!)
i personally would watch him like a hawk. just in case :-o
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@cecilia
i personally would watch him like a hawk. just in case
I'd be inclined to second that. I really don't believe he would get involved with AROS for one minute unless he sees a profit angle for himself in doing so, and I can state from personal experience and direct conversations with the man that his view on open source licensing is loose at best. You don't want to go through the development and testing process only to find that come the time of release HF decides he wants to impose restrictions incompatible with the AROS Public License.
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I'm sure the AROS team doesn't want to issue a dual licence. They seem fussy about licencing anyway. Wanting everything under APL or GPL. GO AROS!!!
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@walter
A nice interesting read but nothing beats this (http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44017).
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@Paul_Gadd
A nice interesting read but nothing beats this.
You'd be surprised. Let's just say that episode is a mild one by HF standards.
:roll:
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Well I think this is very good news. I can't see a problem with this, as the work is to be submitted under the AROS licence. Don't worry have trust in the AROS team. They rule.
I know everyone deserves a second chance... but IMO only after he settles the problem he had created with Bernd Meyer, not one day before...
For me these are very bad knews, as I respect a lot AROS team, but somewhat I don't feel Harld for what he'd done in the past deserv to be part of it...
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Allmost completly off-topic, but how could I resist ?
Look here (http://www.pegasos.com.au/bernie.html) :-P
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@Kronos
:-D
I've never known Bernie to be a fool. If someone is going to give him free hardware, he'll take it.
To be perfectly honest, if he is doing paid work for Genesi, who can blame him? I can assure you that Bernie has become a better judge of character over the past two years and that he does read the forums too.
That's not to say I know anything about a Genesi connection. I do know Bernie has a proper job now, so he is at least earning money for his talent, which is about time.
(Incidentally, Bernie did offer to do a PPC version of his JIT 68k emulation some time ago, provided that the company approached - who were not Genesi - were willing to supply him with the hardware and would pay him the going rate for this kind of work)
All this, as you say, is totally OT. :-P
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PS; I don't consider Linux (at this time) as a ?consumer desktop OS? since one has to build/compile source codes not just consume (i.e. "obtain and play" mentality).
What is this thing non-linuxers have with how Linux works?
For reference: The last year I have had to install 1 (ONE) application (that I actually needed. Playing with beta versions of things that might turn out to be a dead end doesn't count, because a user doesn't have to do that) via source. Everything else, including games, has been installed in the usual manner (apt-get install tuxracer for instance). WHY DO WINDOWS USERS KEEP CLAIMING LINUX IS ABOUT COMPILNG SOFTWARE???
God damn hippies ;-)
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He was more outrageous, abusive, incoherent and radiating
pain is some of his list posts. If ya can believe it.
Very sad. He killed a REALLY GOOD THING.
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Sveral things:
1. This post is late, I've been off line for a while.
2. Harald Frank or anybody wishing to contribute to AROS is a good thing.
3. Any violation of our licence will result in the harshest of penalties, if any AROS dev violates any other licence the offending code is removed from our CVS. We take the concept of the "Licence" very seriously.
4. With Mr Frank contrubiting to the AROS project, AROS now has considerable "Industry"/"Comunity" support. Lets give the Amiga comunity a free OS, then software houses can sell some kiss-ass software to run on it!!!!
5. Wasn't Amithlon a "competitor" to AROS? :-D
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yep paul...and we shouldnt foget that anytime soon...that level of nonsense hurts the community...
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What is this thing non-linuxers have with how Linux works?
It's all about ease of use. Linux world could learn things from MacOS X.
For reference: The last year I have had to install 1 (ONE) application
That's you not other people.
Linux may have to adapt to transparent re-compiling ecosystems.
(that I actually needed. Playing with beta versions of things that might turn out to be a dead end doesn't count, because a user doesn't have to do that) via source. Everything else, including games, has been installed in the usual manner (apt-get install tuxracer for instance).
WHY DO WINDOWS USERS KEEP CLAIMING LINUX IS ABOUT COMPILNG SOFTWARE???
They may not like the infamous command prompt.
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What is this thing non-linuxers have with how Linux works?
Should I post my Linux desktop? Careful with "non-linuxers".
For reference: The last year I have had to install 1 (ONE) application
Just one????
(that I actually needed. Playing with beta versions of things that might turn out to be a dead end doesn't count,
Some parts of Linux is still in work in progress e.g. WINE/WINE-X. Odd numbered Linux kernels.
Many Windows software vendors offer public beta/demos/trial thus multiple installations/de-installations. This mentality may have transferred to Linux. This is one of the many ways on how a commercial software vendor markets their pride and joy.
because a user doesn't have to do that) via source.
IF one has a non-X86 Linux, the chances for this type activity is greater.
Everything else, including games, has been installed in the usual manner (apt-get install tuxracer for instance).
Not click, click...
WHY DO WINDOWS USERS KEEP CLAIMING LINUX IS ABOUT COMPILNG SOFTWARE???
Erm... Kernel and new driver(for new hardware) related issues....
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Somebody said something earlier: AROS is a competitor to Amithlon.
This was what I was thinking too and may be his motivation.
I hope AROS does well, I hope they keep a close eye on HF too.I dont think its going to be a competitor to OS4 or Morphos though.It could very well replace AUE provided you can adjust the speed it runs programs, after all, you dont wanna be playing turrican 10x faster than usual :)
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Dont think it could be a competitor? ;) if AROS was more mature i know of a zillion ex Amigans that would install it in a flash (and they have no intention of ever buying OS4 or even MOS because it dosent run on what more or less everyone has these days namely a PC)! time will tell i guess but im confident that when AROS hits a mature enough state people will start using it.
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@bloodline
5. Wasn't Amithlon a "competitor" to AROS?
Not according to Fabio, and I tend to agree, at least as things stand now. Certainly there is a very marked difference in what the two systems focus on.
Whether the two systems would have become rivals at some point in the future is a matter for speculation.
What I have my doubts about is HF's motivation. He claims to still be updating and developing Amithlon (I'm tempted to say the update is "on track and rockin'" but I won't), yet he is planning to contribute code to an open source project which may in time become a rival. I know HF wants to sell drivers, preferably the same driver for all Amiga-like systems. This works with supplying his library for closed source systems, but as AROS is open source, anyone will be able to write the drivers. Perhaps he is hoping AROS drivers will then be portable back to Amithlon to alleviate the chronic lack of drivers released for that system? Who knows? I've given up trying to read his mind. :-P
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I don't think we will need to keep any special checks on Harald, people don't seem to realise that he has been involved with AROS since 1997, that's even before me (1998-1999) :-) .
I seem to recall that Harald suggested AROS as the base OS for Amithlon (instead of Linux). But Bernie wasn't happy with that.
I have no insider knowledge on the subject, but I suspect Harald might be thinking of using AROS for future Amithlon projects. I think this would be great, as AROS would get drivers and Harald can continue his/the Emulator.
Please, I don't want to get into political arguments about Amithlon, because I simply don't care. The whole incident was ugly and I may not like the way certain people behaved, but that has nothing to do with AROS.
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I have no insider knowledge on the subject, but I suspect Harald might be thinking of using AROS for future Amithlon projects. I think this would be great, as AROS would get drivers and Harald can continue his/the Emulator.
His emulator! ah! Only on his dreams!
Please, I don't want to get into political arguments about Amithlon, because I simply don't care. The whole incident was ugly and I may not like the way certain people behaved, but that has nothing to do with AROS.
Harald still's the same person, and if he nows on AROS team, it has everything to do with AROS!
How do you and other people from AROS project can sleep well at night I don't know, he has done all the sh*t he has on amithlon, but hey... it doesn't matter as far as he doesn't do the same to us he's very welcome... pelease! At least have some dignity, since he has lost his a long time ago!
Or is it because AROS want to take a slice from Amithlon market!?
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@bloodline
I seem to recall that Harald suggested AROS as the base OS for Amithlon (instead of Linux). But Bernie wasn't happy with that.
That's a new one on me, and it makes no sense if you think about it. Why replace a mature well supported kernel that the programmer is well versed in with something that is both unfinished and unproven, not to mention rather devoid of driver support?
The rather fuzzy idea HF had was to mix AROS and the UAE emulation engine into a commercial product. Presumably he imagined this as AROS with 68k emulation built-in, certainly not with AROS just providing kernel functionality to start the emulation. Bernie rejected it from two points of view, one being that it was unclear how commercial licensing would be handled, and the second being that such a project would be fraught with difficulties. Let's face it, if it was a sensible and practical idea you guys would have it in your roadmap already.
I have no insider knowledge on the subject, but I suspect Harald might be thinking of using AROS for future Amithlon projects. I think this would be great, as AROS would get drivers and Harald can continue his/the Emulator.
*snigger*
Since Harald does not have the source code to said emulator, one wonders how many "future projects" he can squeeze out of the same product.
More seriously, Harald's objection to Bernie releasing Umilator (or indeed doing any Amiga related work at all) is that all the IP involved in Amithlon is owned jointly by both of them, and neither can use it anywhere else without the other's permission. While most people regard such a claim as spurious, one would have to seek consistency. If Bernie may not use any Amithlon related development or code for any of his projects, then surely Harald cannot contribute any of his own Amithlon contribution to any other project, be it for profit or not.
So it's not a question of whether Harald will respect your license, it's whether Harald has the right to contribute his code in the first place.
Please, I don't want to get into political arguments about Amithlon, because I simply don't care. The whole incident was ugly and I may not like the way certain people behaved, but that has nothing to do with AROS.
"I'm alright Jack"... but I'll let that pass.
AROS relies not only on the contributors' respecting the AROS license, but also on the contributors' honesty in stating that they have the right to contribute said code into the AROS tree.
The integrity of AROS as a project depends on the integrity of those who contribute to it. Allow that to be tainted and everyone involved will get painted with the same brush.
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The integrity of AROS as a project depends on the integrity of those who contribute to it. Allow that to be tainted and everyone involved will get painted with the same brush.
And until I have any evidence to suggest that any AROS dev has acted in an underhand way with respect to AROS, I have no reason to think that anyone will behave in such a way.
As I said, Amithlon was nasty, messy and something which we should all put in the past, and while it was a nice idea I never saw it as a viable solution to running an AmigaOS type OS on x86 hardware, it was weak from the start, it just got killed a little early. If I want to run 68k AmigaOS programs I'll just use UAE.
Anyway, I have no insider knowledge as to what Harald want's to do in the future, but I imagine he would like to make a new emulator system...
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> As I said, Amithlon was nasty, messy and something which we should all put in the past
It doesn't belong in the past, until Bernie can get a settlement, the problem remains the same and in present time, how's that so hard to understand?
>and while it was a nice idea I never saw it as a viable solution to running an AmigaOS type OS
>on x86 hardware, it was weak from the start, it just got killed a little early. If I want to run 68k
>AmigaOS programs I'll just use UAE.
Well it was weak but feels way faster then AROS, isn't that weird... but hey, because you don't feel it like a viable solution (despite selling very well) doesn't mean it don't deserve to 'live'...
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Well it was weak but feels way faster then AROS, isn't that weird... but hey, because you don't feel it like a viable solution (despite selling very well) doesn't mean it don't deserve to 'live'...
Weak, not in a speed sense, but from a conceptial sense. I loved the idea of Amithlon (I would have approached it in a different and less comercial/user friedly way) but it was nothing more than a toy, in the same was as my poor beloved A1200 is now just a toy (despite being the greatest machine ever made).
No, Amithlon did not deserve to die, I think it was a fun idea. But as far as I'm concerned the dispute is between Harald and Bernie. I may or may not agree with the behaviour of the parties involved, but I try to stay out of other peoples fights. I would like to note that I do not belive Bernie was treated fairly, I think he has behaved exceptionaly throughout this ordeal, unlike others involved in this case.
Moral of this story? trust no one?
I imagine AROS doesn't feel that fast when compared to Amithlon... Concider the flollowing:
1. Amithlon runs programs designed for the old 68K running at 7Mhz (or 50Mhz for some of us) on a CPU running at 1Ghz+. Thid fact alone makes it seem fast.
2. Amithlon had hardware specific drivers, AROS currently uses very clever generic ones.
3. How any CPU intensive tasks have you run on AROS? How many of those tasks have you run on Amithlon?
4. Amithlon is nothing more than an emulator (which isn't that hard to do), AROS is a full OS and is not finished yet.
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@bloodline
Wow I can see the flamethrowers already being fuelled up!
Is this deliberate or what? ;-)
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1- Amithlon is able to run Pagestream very well, Play DIVX at full speed and so on, 7mhz simply ain't. Don't forguet it has one of the best and more implemented JIT on the market...
2- Now this is where I think AROS has his main problem
3- Because one can run more programs on Amithlon to test it then on AROS it's not ones fault ;-)
4- On Amithlon you can hit the Hardware, on a straight emulator you can't... I don't know if it's easier, but why being easier is worst!? It has lots of benefits...
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Well it was weak but feels way faster then AROS, isn't that weird...
Indeed, it is. Could you please elaborate? In what does Amithlon feel faster, exactly?
Did you do any speed measurements?
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(edited because I realized *I* had gotten things the wrong way around)