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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: Troika on September 16, 2006, 12:56:28 AM
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For All to Enjoy!
Two pictures of the Amy05 Prometheus.
View from back
http://troikang.com/images/1.jpg
View from back
http://troikang.com/images/2.jpg
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:-D BB4 is going to be an interesting show!
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I'm not very technical really, but that looks nice!
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cool!
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PCI graphics? AGP is difficult enough to find these days.
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PCI graphics? AGP is difficult enough to find these days.
This is how the Boxer started. The spec was always a couple of steps behind the technology curve, and just about viable for the consumer, in the Boxers' case it was ISA cards. Then, just as ISA cards became impossible to find, the spec was changed to PCI. The same will happen with this platform.
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It's about time! Hopefully this will see a widescale release.
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PCI graphics? AGP is difficult enough to find these days.
Just taking a quick look at Bestbuy.com and....
VisionTek - RADEON X1300 Graphics Card VTK X1300256PCI
256MB DDR2 memory; PCI interface; DVI-I, VGA, S-video and composite video TV out
ATI - RADEON 9250 Graphics Card 100-436012
256MB DDR memory; PCI interface; 400MHz clock speed; ATI CATALYST software
BFG - GeForce 6200 OC Graphics Card BFGR62256OCP
256MB memory; PCI interface; VGA, DVI-I and S-video outputs; NVIDIA ForceWare
BFG - 3DFuzion GeForce FX 5500 Graphics Card 3DFR55256P
256MB DDR memory; PCI interface; VGA and S-video outputs; 270MHz clock speed
BFG - AGEIA PhysX Physics Accelerator Card BFGRPHYSX1
128MB GDDR3 memory; PCI interface; real-time physical motion and interaction; frees up in-game CPU cycles
EVGA - NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 Graphics Card 128-P1-N320
128MB DDR memory; PCI interface; DVI-I and S-video outputs; 270MHz clock speed
PNY - Verto GeForce 7600 GS Graphics Card VCG7600SXP
256MB DDR memory; PCI Express interface; 400MHz clock speed; 128-bit memory
PNY - Verto GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card VCGFX522PP
256MB DDR memory; PCI interface; 250MHz clock speed
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PCI, AGP, ISA, ... right now I'd settle for about anything running Amiga OS4. Would be nice if it was demoed 'running' at the show.
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Looks interesting, though I've a few gripes.
I think soldering the CPU direct to the motherboard is a stupid idea, it's probably the single most expensive part on the board with the most contacts to be made, if a mistake is made while placing it you run the risk of not only it being lost but also the motherboard. Why not attach it to a little daughterboard instead ? Would also allow a purchaser to upgrade in the future by buying a new CPU on a daughterboard from yourself.
Also will you be selling the motherboard with an ATX backshield thing ? (the bit that the USB ports etc poke through when it's put in a case) The way you've done the speaker ports doesn't look standard so people would have to do some nasty hacking to get things to line up in a case.
Just my 2cents :-)
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Would be nice if it was demoed 'running' at the show.
Even if it´s only showing the bios setup it would be very nice
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Yes PLX bridges, i worked with that in time (ex Hint Corp).
But how do y manage to plug Video graphic card, Voodoo TV FM card, Scsi2 card, one more network card... ? have you planned a design with 5 or more pci slot ?
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I read that this is supposed to be what the A500
was... it's supposed to be as cheap as possible
while still being a nice computer. It's not meant
to be a high-end computer.
It all depens on what you want. If you want something
better, wait. Also be prepared to pay more ;-)
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So what does it actually do?
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moto
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Am I the only one who's thinking the routing is a bit odd (90 degree traces, lots of vias at strange places, traces going to nowhere without a visible via (could be the picture though), visible second layer (instead of ground plane), too few traces in total?) and the placement of the components (e.g. memory very far away from the bridges and the CPU).
No, I'm not saying that these pictures are fake. I'm rather wondering if with this level of engineering knowledge, the board will survive a smoke test, not thinking about eventually working at all.
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What's the Geode for?
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> What's the Geode for?
AmigaOS 5 :-D
Or generating heat.
Or running WinUAE (if the thing at some stage indeed runs software at all).
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What's the Geode for?
Edit: OK, it's a south bridge.
Dammy
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> Edit: OK, it's a south bridge.
I stand corrected. If it's really a CS5536 with integrated USB2.0 controller with four ports, AC97 audio, why is there a separate NEC USB host controller?
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@AmigaHeretic
BFG - AGEIA PhysX Physics Accelerator Card BFGRPHYSX1
Psst.
That is not a graphics card. :-)
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It is for the other two USB ports.
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Many electronics are now made completely without sockets except for I/O because every socket contact is another potential failure point,socket is another step in manufacturing,socket costs money,etc.Repair these days is usually board replacement.
Modern electronics are usually robotically assembled ,soldered, and tested in automated stations.No one wants to pay skilled technicians to repair anything these days. Look at the economics of a new TV vs. repair fees on the old one;same for small appliances,gas-powered trimmers etc. Typical shop fees of $25 hour and 2 hour minimum plus parts means it is smarter to toss and replace,thus getting new item and warranty.
Hobbyists can spend time repairing,building,using old,unusual, or cranky stuff because they are doing it as entertainment.
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I take it these piccies are (now) of a non working board though as it is sat on a static fantastic looking spare bed blanket :lol:
Fire it up boys :-D
P.S. Don't try that at home with your Miggy Mobo's ppl :crazy:
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Good catch. ;-) I just went to the graphics card page and started cutting pasting anything that didn't say PCI express or AGP.
2 points I wanted to make though are PCI cards in my opinion are not "diffcult to find" and my other point would be they're still somewhat up to date. At least I don't think there are many Amiga OS4 apps that currently would tax a Radeon X1300 even with only 256mb of DDR2 memory.
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component placement and routing are definitely from wrong era..
As is that board is missing hundred (or so) passive components thus making it totally nonworkable and almost impossible to use on any evaluation.
More time passes, more amateurish that project looks.. Their dpaint-mockup was downright ugly (and component placement bad) but this ain't a step forward as they now have more problems than year(s) ago.
source (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/133116.shtml)
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Poster: AmigaHeretic Posted: 2006/9/16 1:28:53
PNY - Verto GeForce 7600 GS Graphics Card VCG7600SXP
256MB DDR memory; PCI Express interface; 400MHz clock speed; 128-bit memory
BFG - GeForce 6200 OC Graphics Card BFGR62256OCP
256MB memory; PCI interface; VGA, DVI-I and S-video outputs; NVIDIA ForceWare
The Geforce 7600 might be a decent card. Too bad it's PCI Express.
The BFG 6200 is marginal as a high performance graphics card. It's also 50% more expensive than it's AGP counterpart.
The issue is probably moot anyways.
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SDRAM!
Yuck!
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Oh, a Moobunny analysis. Well, must be then.
It's obvious the board on the pictures did never run. I think everybody can see the unmounted soldering pads. So ?
(BTW: we haven's seen the other side of the board yet).
Maybe it will never run, and ? At least someone tries and that's the first we gonna see. I think it's cool and best luck to them get it done. They might have still work ahead (nobody denies that).
And there will be competition. If you don't like this one, you might find anotherone which suits your needs better.
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funny how amiga comunity members work they nag to death to get pictures and when they do see them they do little else but complaining :lol: :lol: :lol: anyways i is nice to see troika has a board design and i kind of like the design too looks a bit special but i gues it will never be the final layout...
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@adonay:
if the board is a incomplete and nonworking board they would have reason to complain. I'm glad I'm not a mobo designer cause there are alot of internet sleuths on AO and they sure would find out if I was lying or not. :lol:
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@ Piru
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component placement and routing are definitely from wrong era.. http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/133116.shtml
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Piru, you are much wiser then to use sources from Moo bunny.
Havn't you noticed the real problem? Even with the missing parts Amy'05 is a very very "clean" design. We worked very hard for that.
I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it. Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.
:idea:
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I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it. Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.
Does the following schedule look realistic?
BB3/2005
Announced: Presentation of pre-production Amy'05
Reality: Nothing
BB4/2006
Announced: Presentation of Amy'05 prototype, later changed to "non-working prototype"
Reality: An empty booth
BB5/2007
Announced: Presentation of a working Amy'05 prototype
Reality: Presentation of a non-working prototype
BB6/2008
Announced: Presentation of a working Amy'05 prototype with an OS4-license
Reality: Presentation of a half-working Amy'05 prototype that crashes at clockspeeds >500Mhz due to bad routing, no OS4-license yet
November 2008:
Announcement that Troika didn't manage to get an OS4-license and gave up on Amy due to lack of funding.
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@Mr Anonymous (Troika)
Troika, you are much wiser than to think I'd use Moo bunny as source.
I am not using Moobunny as source, but Joanna Kurki, who has actually worked on PPC systems for years and knows the HW design stuff (unlike me). If she says it's FUBAR, then it is.
I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it.
Don't worry, I won't be giving any $$ to you guys.
Regardless I reserve the right to comment and criticise.
Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.
Just make sure you let us know when you have demoed it.
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Wow, what a friendly athmosphere!
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> Even with the missing parts Amy'05 is a very very "clean" design.
Heh, I just couldn't resist laughing over this one. Made my day. Who are you trying to fool? And why? But don't refrain to prove me wrong. Time will tell (as usually).
Edit: Honestly, if you really want to see this board working at some stage, get an enginner that has at least the faintest idea about HF routing. Those rectangular traces are not going to work. Do you really think there's no reason for diagonal and even curved traces on high-speed designs? Since 20 years nobody has being using rectangular traces anywhere. No, I'm not a professional in this area, but even I know this and have used this knowledge for my own designs (don't worry, no motherboards ;-P ).
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I wouldn't take seriously anything said on moo bunny. it seems many people there are simply sad and bitter.
personally, I won't become interested in your motherboards UNTIL I can hold it in my hands and then see it running OS4 (or any amiga OS, really)
until then, just do what you have to do. It's your business. not mine.
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I don't waste my time Wishing and Hoping. I don't LIVE in FantasyLand. Imagingation is a good thing, but there's way to many people in the amiga community that can't seem to differentiate between reality and fantasy and take one over the other.
and what happens on moo bunny is a lot of whining and complaining. they THINK they are being "realistic", but they really are just being negative and unpleasant. That's not a good atmosphere for creativity. an example of positive creativity (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3308)
Poster: Troika
@ Piru Quote: component placement and routing are definitely from wrong era.. http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/133116.shtml
Piru, you are much wiser then to use sources from Moo bunny.
Havn't you noticed the real problem? Even with the missing parts Amy'05 is a very very "clean" design. We worked very hard for that.
I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it. Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.
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Piru
Whats your problem?
At least someone Is trying to do something.
A brief stint I had at BICC showed me that evaluation and prototype boards don't look like {bleep} that's ready for for anyone(even industrial customers!). We knocked out boards for industry that wouldn't getpast your absolute scrutiny!!!!
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@Etho
Whats your problem?
I don't suffer fools lightly?
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Neither do I!
I have however always given people a fair go! I'm not about to discredit a design just because certain people think that it looks unfinished and incomplete.
As I said {bleep} get's turned out all the time by BIG companys.
This isn't a pop at the board it's simply how things work!
Trokia have time to refine and update the board, the OS4 people have waited long enough for this to be updated and streamlimed (myself included). So I'm happy to wait a little longer if things can get resolved (fingers crossed).
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Well, Troika has been working on this thing for years now. If they can't even produce a working early protos then something is seriously wrong, and they should reconsider the whole motherboard business.
At least Troika should stop this bs marketing and outright lying ("HW is in production" etc). Just show the darned thing running some OS and everyone is happy for couple of years again.
And what's up with this anonymity thing? Surely if you want to be taken seriously you should use your own names.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol:
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Lamborghini espada specifications (http://www.lamborghini-tech.com/wiki/Lamborghini_Espada)
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As I said I like to give peoplea a chance.
Trokia are hardly a multi-million £ company, things will take time.
That's simply the way things are,it's that simple.
Why keep grilling and hard-boiling them ? They'll get there when there ready! That simple!
The fact is they've got further than most.
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Trokia are hardly a multi-million £ company, things will take time. Alas Thats the simple truth, so why keep hard-balling them?
Because people do not like being lied to? Project dates slip all the time, it's a matter of fact in the IT business. People accept that, but this has been dragging on for years with it's path littered with broken promises and more then likely, pure bold face lies.
On the bright side, with OS5 x86, does this really matter anymore for the true Amiga believers?
Dammy
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And what's up with this anonymity thing? Surely if you want to be taken seriously you should use your own names.
If they plan to get a decent job at any time in the future, they should better remain anonymous, since it should be rather embarrassing if a potential future employer finds their names along with the whole Amy-story and failure (missed deadlines, non-working amateur hardware) on the internet.
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@Etho
Why keep grilling and hard-boiling them ?
Because they've not lived up to their word.
They'll get there when there ready!
Good. Now, if they would only wait themselves until they're there. But I don't see that coming. We'll see tons of more press releases about press releases, missed presentation deadlines and stuff.
But, I guess it's kind of pointless to expect professionalistm these days.
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Who's been lied to? when was a final Trokia release given? If there was one I missed it so my apologies.
OS5 is still a fantasy at the moment and why 5 before 4? Logic anyone?
I think given the none existent support from A.Inc with reguards to OS4 and any hardware devolpers other than Eyetech, then they have done a pretty bloody good job.
As I said Trokia are a tiny company (and I think that's pushing it. hope they don't mind me saying). It will take time for them.
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Who's been lied to? when was a final Trokia release given? If there was one I missed it so my apologies.
I think you missed a lot. Start digging the archives starting around August/September 2005. The first you'll find is probably a "two production runs in 2005" statement.
You might also find out how to correctly spell "Troika". :lol:
OS5 is still a fantasy at the moment and why 5 before 4? Logic anyone?
Why OS5 before OS4? Because it's x86 and no stinkin' PPC! :lol:
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@Etho
Who's been lied to?
Anyone waiting the board?
when was a final Trokia release given?
Total Amiga Magazine, must've been somewhere in 2005. It said they have two production runs scheduled for 2005
. Quite bold statement considering they haven't managed to get the design finished, even.
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Oh please, does it really have to come to this: I spelt Trokia wrong Oh my I'll be sure to burn in the seven gates of hell!
As I said I apologies if I missed out on certain things. I simply can't keep up-to-date with everything that goes on all the time (work doesn't allow it) as I'm sure many others can't.
I will still however wish TROIKA all the best in there endeavors.
B.T.W. I've nothing against x86
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As I said I apologies if I missed out on certain things. I simply can't keep up-to-date with everything that goes on all the time (work doesn't allow it) as I'm sure many others can't.
Btw, for BB3 in 2005 they announced to show a pre-production version of the board. Of course, nobody showed up.
Funnily enough that they showed even less than their announcement from 2005 at BB4 **this** year.
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As I said sorry how many times, I'm not always able to keep up with all the developments. Sorry.
If I could somehow revolve my life around A.Inc, TROIKA and Genesi (which one have I spelt wrong BTW) I'd be able to live a life of tranquilty!
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Your right I have missed alot, {bleep} happens. So now I know the TROIKA has been a few years in the pipe. But at least where now getting to a stage where there might finally be a prototype.
Weather or not the specs are any good I'm really not arsed I simply would like some sort of new hardware.
Yes it has taken a long time and it has stopped and started, but hey this is the closest to a new motherboard in a while.
Certainly good since there's been nothing since I got my micro A1.
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@cecilia
Nice link to your "example of positive creativity" that bears repeating:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3308
It's not the 1st time he has made such a generous offer.
Neither do I expect it to be the last.
It also is quite reassuring to know that he is involved and listed as "partner":
http://www.troikang.com/contact.html
All the best,
#6
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Since 20 years nobody has being using rectangular traces anywhere. No, I'm not a professional in this area, but even I know this and have used this knowledge for my own designs (don't worry, no motherboards ;-P ).
For those who don't know, the whole point to curved/curled traces is to ensure all the signals arrive at their destination at the same time. If things get out of sync, that's bad.
If anything, their routing software needs some critical updates. :-)
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First of Joanna has been around since the Commodore days, and her analysis is correct, the Troika comment "we have working boards" seems disengenous when then best they can show is a poorly designed board missing over 1/2 its components, this board doesnt run, if it were completely loaded it won't run well if at all.
-Tig
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It also is quite reassuring to know that he is involved and listed as "partner":
Reassuring of what? That Troika manages to build a working board that is on sale soon? After what they've shown (or rather failed to show), even a partnership with Mother Theresa wouldn't help very much.
I am just sorry for Guru Meditation, he didn't deserve this level of unprofessionalism.
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@Piru
>>>@Mr Anonymous (Troika)<<<
the name is Josh Buckley
>>Troika, you are much wiser than to think I'd use Moo bunny as source.<<<
:-D
>>>>I am not using Moobunny as source, but Joanna Kurki, who has actually worked on PPC systems for years and knows the HW design stuff (unlike me). If she says it's FUBAR, then it is.<<<<<
ahhh, but is she as good looking as Jerry Elsworth? :-?
Nah, seriously if you and Joanna are near Amiwest hope you come by and take a peak at our Troika Table. If my schedule permits I'll be there. We can sit down over a beer? Otherwise we will have one of the best (IMHO) Os4 men showing off our goodies!
>>Don't worry, I won't be giving any $$ to you guys.<<<
Your welcome to port Mos to Amy if you wish. We havn't pushed real hard to promote Amy'05 yet and we have a couple of old Be PPC users that might want to use Amy, guess the geekport helps?
Our higher end "Project Panda" under development, might be of interest with its MPC7448. If we have enough interest we will make a run of the high end 1.7 Ghz. We released the starting point pics on AW the day of BB4 if you missed it: http://troikang.com/images/panda.png
>>>Regardless I reserve the right to comment and criticise.<<<
Thats fair, just allow me the same. :roll:
>>>Just make sure you let us know when you have demoded it.<<<
Hope you will be at the right place and time and see with your own eyes.
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Our higher end "Project Panda" under development, might be of interest with its MPC7448.
How can you say that it's "under development" when it's in fact an existing evaluation mainboard made by UDTech?
Do you think they will be impressed if you show pictures of **their** board around where you covered their brand name and trademark with your own DPaint-logo?
We have already seen the board. We know what kind of board it is. If you have any *real* news concerning licensing their design for your purposes, then that would be far more interesting.
Hope you will be at the right place and time and see with your own eyes.
BB6 in 2008 maybe?
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@humppa
stop playing games or I won't be nice to you! :-D
>>>How can you say that it's "under development" when it's in fact an existing evaluation mainboard made by UDTech?<<<
Yes, but its now our "project panda" an Amy board that runs linux btw. We have several of them, so I know it very well.
We are making the changes the Amiga community will need, and be good for Os4. PCI slots for one come to mind.
But you will have to wait and see those pics "when its done tm" :lol:
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Yes, but its now our "project panda" an Amy board that runs linux btw.
I know that this UDTech board runs Linux. Your way of calling it "Amy board" reminds me of Alan Redhouse relabelling the Terons as AmigaOnes. :-P
But it surely speeds up "development" considerably. Much better than waiting ages for some home-brewn Amy'05 that doesn't work in the end. And there won't be any 90 degrees electrical traces I hope? ;-)
We are making the changes the Amiga community will need, and be good for Os4.
What about removing those strange MiniPCI-slots by the way?
But you will have to wait and see those pics "when its done tm"
I wonder how it safely managed to pass the customs on its way from the Chinese factory. :lol:
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Your welcome to port Mos to Amy if you wish.
MorphOS doesn't run on imaginary hardware.
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On the bright side, with OS5 x86, does this really matter anymore for the true Amiga believers?
:lol: :lol: :lol: reality WTF man. hope that was sarcasem as i think we will never see that os or at leased not in the next 7+ years.
I personally think that A.inc is not belivable at all and will never be any more reliable than troika at all IMO
:-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
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@Piru
MorphOS doesn't run on imaginary hardware.
That's strange because Genesi is insisting it runs just fine on their EFIKA board (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=4784&sortname=&sortorder=&sortdays=&viewmode=flat&order=0&start=0) which so far exists only in picture form as well. Keep on flamin' boys.
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@Piru
Please tell me the hardware future of MorphOS,the
Peg2 may be fine hardware but lets face it it`s
future`s just as dead as the A1.Yes I know you
can still buy them but no more can be made (or at
least sold in europe , other than those already
in distribution)due to non-rohs compliance and
the design is rapidly becomming obsolete.
There are at least 3 companies trying to make
hardware for OS4 and i`d wager one of them will
succeed, what vapourware products are there for
MorphOS? Peg 3`s gone very quiet lately take it
Bill Buck didn`t get his backing (i`d like
to see it appear btw) and could MorphOS run on it
anyway?
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That's strange because Genesi is insisting it runs just fine on their EFIKA board which so far exists only in picture form as well. Keep on flamin' boys.
First of all, Morphos runs on Peg1 and Peg2 as 1000's have seen. Secondly EFIKA has been at several trade shows, and you've been able to buy them for months, though only in quantities of 10. Now that they are going to high rate production they'll be all over the place. Comparing Efika which has been shown operating at trade shows and is available for sale to a board that only has been seen in two pictures and which is missing the majority of its components in those pictures and doesnt even make it to a trade show even in its non working state, is silly. At this point Troika has shown less then Mick ever showed for the Boxer, and at least we knew Mick was technically competant. When they show up with a working board running software and are ready to ship, great, till then, this, I'm coming to the show, but the board doesnt work and oh customs took the board from us crap needs to be treated as such.
-Tig
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That's strange because Genesi is insisting it runs just fine on their EFIKA board which so far exists only in picture form as well.
Wrong! There is also a video! (http://images.pegasosppc.com/movies/ftf/efika_divx.avi) :idea:
But let's not make this a "what prototype is better" sort of discussion - of course Amy would easily win with those "creative" way of non-working 90 degree routing. :lol:
Concerning MOS on Efika, this is just yet another funny soap opera in Amigaland. We surely can't complain about not having enough entertainment in the forums. ;-)
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Please tell me the hardware future of MorphOS,the
Peg2 may be fine hardware but lets face it it`s
future`s just as dead as the A1.Yes I know you
can still buy them but no more can be made (or at
least sold in europe , other than those already
in distribution)due to non-rohs compliance and
the design is rapidly becomming obsolete.
First of all making Peg2 RoHS compliant isnt a big issue (it may not happen because of the Peg 3 however), in addition you realize the design for Peg 2 is less obsolete then everything we've been shown for new Amiga hardware right? I mean, Troika, ACK, etc are going to be outrun by the Peg 2, so if its obsolete what do we call these efforts? And the Peg 3 really shows how obsolete they are and with EFIKA in the mix there is a whole price range of hardware available to run OS 4.
-Tig
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back when the boxer was being worked on i thought a new amiga motherboard would be cool. now i think it is as practical as producing the long fabled 68080.
producing a new mobo would take an enormous amount of time, be out of date, buggy, and wouldnt be replaced with newer revisions before even more time went by, further out of date and received its own fair share of bugs.
i think the only practical setup would be an open hardware solution. if mick tinker had released all the boxer stuff maybe someone else could pick up were he left off and continue. noone in the amiga relm has the financing to hire engineers, but many have expertice in these areas.
again its not really practical. the motherboard of the "amiga" use most often is headquartered in korea i believe and they make more than just 2 production runs a year.
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@Tiger
I suspect you`ll find it a whole lot more difficult
than you think making the Peg 2 rohs compliant.
I don`t think Genesi would have bothered giving
the specs away if they had any intention of
doing so.
My bet is no more will ever be made. Secondly the
Peg 3 well if I recall correctly Bill Buck had
a crucial time period in which to secure support
/funding otherwise the project went belly up, since
then we`ve heard nothing. Could MorphOS run on it
anyway? Are the MorphOS team willing given their
falling out with Genesi? Although Bill Buck insists
MorphOS will run on Efika we are hearing different
stories elsewhere.
Yeah the Amy 05 isn`t exactly state of the art but
then neither is the Efika. The Peg 2 will outrun
ACK`s 1.7ghz Powervixen?
I`ve got nothing against MorphOS but the shear
hatred of some of it`s advocates is disturbing, you
seem to take great pleasure in predicting other
peoples failures. If your sides so great then
why not just enjoy it.
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ssolie
@Piru MorphOS doesn't run on imaginary hardware.
That's strange because Genesi is insisting it runs just fine on their EFIKA board (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=4784&sortname=&sortorder=&sortdays=&viewmode=flat&order=0&start=0) which so far exists only in picture form as well. Keep on flamin' boys.
If you read the thread in that link you will see that the MorphTeam does not agree with what bbrv say (gee, what a surprise!).
MOS is a nice OS, of course, but let's not confuse the work of real programmers and developers with the words of a used car salesman.
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@Troika
Oh do shut up. Nobody's buying it any more. That board didn't work, doesn't work, and won't work.
Here and I'd thought the iWin guys had moved on!
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I suspect you`ll find it a whole lot more difficult than you think making the Peg 2 rohs compliant. I don`t think Genesi would have bothered giving the specs away if they had any intention of doing so.
I suspect I've helped make a couple 100 more products RoHS compliant then you, so lets just put you down on the incorrect side of this argument. All of the primary parts are RoHS or have RoHS drop in replacements, it took about 20 minutes to run that here.
My bet is no more will ever be made.
That is probably true, because of the Peg 3. And unless I have totally missed the announcement, I believe Peg 3 is still going to be made.
Could MorphOS run on it anyway? Are the MorphOS team willing given their falling out with Genesi? Although Bill Buck insists MorphOS will run on Efika we are hearing different stories elsewhere.
MorphOS can run on one processor with a little work, using both processors will require rework, but Ralph is closer to doing that then the Wonder Twins are.
Yeah the Amy 05 isn`t exactly state of the art but
then neither is the Efika.
Efika is going to list at $100, for $100 its great for the price and what its aimed at. Amy 05 isnt a real product, the board in the picture will not run, and likely never will, lets not compare a hoax to a shipping product, as for the Panda board, its not RoHS compliant, and has much bigger issues with that then the Peg 2, though they probably are fixable.
The Peg 2 will outrun ACK`s 1.7ghz Powervixen?
I`ve got nothing against MorphOS but the shear
hatred of some of it`s advocates is disturbing,
If ACK ever ships we'll see if it outruns the fastest Peg 2, given some of the workarounds we've been told about, I wouldnt bet on it.
you seem to take great pleasure in predicting other peoples failures. If your sides so great then why not just enjoy it.
You seem to imply I'm a MorphOS fan, I'm really not, though Ralph has done some nice work with his OS. I just think sitting around talking about how great boards so poorly designed that an engineer with any experience can tell you won't work just by looking at a picture of it, is silly and allowing Troika to continue the hoax any longer just shows how naive whats left of the Amiga community has become. But don't take my word for it, or Joanna's or Bernd, send the pic to Dave and see what he thinks about it.
-Tig
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Interesting post by Bernd Meyer (Amithlon) (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/133245.shtml) about the Amy "prototype".
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I'm really not, though Ralph has done some nice work with his OS
OS == kernel. Ralph worked on the kernel. A lot of people worked on the rest. So, well, maybe he'll get a multicore kernel to work (I don't see why the AmigaOS kernel would be worse, though). But MOS is still no 100% OS. And, no, it is not releaseable with an image on a CD which is copied to the HD and without a complete an installer and _all_ services included in the package without the need to donwload the rest. This is from a joe average consumer POV, not the geeks, who can do that now. (I don't want to say red is better than blue or vice versa. Both side will prefer their OS. And that's fine with me).
We can have endless pro-con arguments here. What the heck. What for ? Someone is trying (as do others). Some might be successfull, some might not. As long as there is no product, we are not really affected. Why do some play judge here and damn people who are trying ? If they fail ? Well, bad for them. But won't really have an effect on me - except I might saved some money.
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Interesting post by Bernd Meyer (Amithlon) about the Amy "prototype".
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@Troika
Nah, seriously if you and Joanna are near Amiwest hope you come by and take a peak at our Troika Table. If my schedule permits I'll be there. We can sit down over a beer? Otherwise we will have one of the best (IMHO) Os4 men showing off our goodies!
I still believe in your project & I'll be at Amiwest to see the proof. I think it would be very important for you to be there to answer questions as well.
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@Tigger
First of all, Morphos runs on Peg1 and Peg2 as 1000's have seen.
It's a shame only 1 guy showed at Amiwest last year & demoed his Peg/Morphos system. I wish more would show.
Secondly EFIKA has been at several trade shows
Great, then bring one to Amiwest & show us EFIKA running Morphos, otherwise it's just FUD to me.
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Secondly EFIKA has been at several trade shows
Great, then bring one to Amiwest & show us EFIKA running Morphos, otherwise it's just FUD to me.
You are getting a little confused. First of all, I have nothing to do with MorphOS or Genesi, frankly they can't afford me. Secondly I have no intention of attending Amiwest this year, NAB and Siggraph are much more important shows for my interests. And thirdly FUD stands for Fear Uncertainty and Doubt, none of which I am spreading. Efika is a real product, so is the VT[4], Digital Broadcaster, and Vivid 24, none of which will be at Amiwest, it doesnt mean they don't exist, it means noone who owned one brought one to the show. Troika's picture is of a board that cannot run, if you have running boards as they claim, they should have taken a picture of it, not this half stuffed beast that won't boot.
-Tig
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errm what is peg doing in this news ? it is badly off topic and do not belong in this tread\newsection at all. Anyways for that mather if to critisice i can say that the peg sux just as much with a pre war prosessor unit and a os that can do no better than a open source linux or even x86 hardware.But true that x86 may not have the fel of the peg but the hardware IS better. But that is not the case here as it does not mather and have nothing to do with this discution. As far as i know it is about Troika pictures and not anny other hardware etc .. please stick to the topic as it seems the news will always be filled with spam if you continue as this... And no i dont mean to offend anyone here but i just think we should stick to our topics and not spread inrelevant BS in the forum " more fun to read you know as you dont have to pass XXXXXXX post with inrelevant bs to get a update .. :madashell: .... Anyways give troika some time and dont botter with them as it will be more fun to see their movement in stead of AO members claiming to know it all..
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errm what is peg doing in this news ?
It appears to me that Troika started the entire MorphOS, Peg part of this thread. Probably hoping we'd stop asking hard questions about poorly designed boards that won't work and dont have a license for 0S 4.
-Tig