AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3

[commodorejohn]

42 seconds not quick enough for you? Damn quick compared to my AMD 4800X2 with Vista.

Damn slow compared to Workbench 3.1! Or my XP laptop, or my Debian Power Mac... (Though as people are saying, it might just be a work-in-progress problem.)

[commodorejohn]

"it might be..." Noooo go buy it! Man that was just stupid. Sad to see the same bitter people saying the same things like little jealous children. If they don't show it exists it's vapor and will never happen. If they show it early with beta software and clearly with debug running it's slow. "you only get one chanse of a first impression"? What morron thinks that the final product will be like this. It's so stupid it's hilarious :-D

Haha what. I never said it was vapor. And I said it's slow as demonstrated because it is, in fact, slow as demonstrated. Probably it will improve, but that doesn't change the facts as they stand at the moment: it's slow. Not quite dog-slow like some OSes, but still, slow.

[commodorejohn]

Well it comes as no suprise that all the usual suspects from the anti Hyperian camp are here in force to wreck yet another AmigaOS 4 releated thread. You guys are a very small minority, that personify all that is nasty, rotten and ugly in this community.

It comes as no surprise that any thread in which people are in any way critical of Hyperion or OS4 in the smallest degree brings a bunch of wailing about meany mean bullies from the True Faithful...I'm just a little surprised it isn't only HotRod making a fool of himself.

[commodorejohn]

Who in their right mind wants to pay $3000USD for an OS with no modern apps that runs on hardware that performs on the level of a Pentium from 2003?

Especially when an equal or (far) better PPC system can be had for < $500 in the form of a used Mac? Oh wait, I forgot, that totally doesn't count because Hyperion haven't deigned to port OS4 to it...

[commodorejohn]

Now tell me again how that is at all indicative of the final non-debug speed of the system, please!

See, it's entirely possible there's a good excuse for this - but it would really help if anything in the video or its comments stated the conditions that would cause it to take that long. "Debug build" by itself isn't sufficient, I've run lots of debug builds that are nearly as fast as the final release.

YOU HAVE NEVER OWNED AN NG SYSTEM NOR CAN AFFORD AN NG SYSTEM SO STFU ABOUT NG IN GENERAL.

So, what, now you have to have enough spare income to be able to drop $2300 on a system that underperforms a $500 used Mac just to be allowed to comment on NG Amiga projects? No thanks. I can learn more than enough to draw some basic conclusions by looking at information that's freely available online.

[commodorejohn]

AOS will die a slow death because of lack of decent hardware unless they port to x86 or arm at least. BTW, Aros already runs on both.

Hell, they don't even have to do that, just port to PPC Macs. I've got a quad-core G5 which massively outperforms this thing that I got refurbished for 1/6th the cost. The dual-cores are closer to 1/12th. There's a wealth of these machines out there for much more affordable prices than any of the custom boards; they could run AOS4 beautifully if Hyperion would only port to them.

[commodorejohn]

Anyway, I understand the frustration that is mainly about the price, right? I think that there are lots of people not being happy about the price but on the other hand there isn't much that can be done about that except for porting it to Mac. That would be a short-term solution too so no matter how I look a it there are no perfect solution.

There might not be a perfect solution, but used hardware that's cheap, powerful, and available is sure a lot better solution than paying premium prices for custom hardware that's middling at best and has been delayed for...how long, now?

[commodorejohn]

Yes, I didn't mean that the PPC per se is dead, only its use in the kind of applications that's interesting to us. Apple were the last desktop and laptop manufacturer, and since Apple left, the whole PPC business changed focus. The future for PPC is in various embedded applications now, routers, printer servers, automotive, etc (and by all means, game consoles).

Eh, these things tend to move in cycles. ARM, for instance, was Acorn's desktop architecture, then Acorn's desktop line died off and it found its bread and butter in embedded applications for many years, then it started popping up in handheld devices (GBA, iPhone and now just about every smartphone,) and all of a sudden it's popular again and possibly on the verge of breaking back into the (low-end) desktop market. PPC has already gone from desktop to embedded to game consoles, who's to say it won't make a similar comeback?

[commodorejohn]

And how does Haiku perform on a 32 core system vs. a 16 core system? It's not unheard of that systems become slower at a certain number of cores, simply because the administrative overhead gets too much.

32? 16? John Paul II on a pogo stick, where are you buying your hardware!? Last I checked consumer CPUs generally have yet to break 8 unless you get into high-end workstation/server chips...

[commodorejohn]

I'm sorry, but I don't see remotely the same momentum happening on the PPC platform.

Of course you don't see it, it isn't happening at the moment. And I'm not saying it will, either - I'm just saying, don't rule out the possibility. The architecture is still around and has been gaining traction in the console market since the release of the PS2 (going from one console to total market dominance in the space of a single generation.) It may make a comeback or it may not, but I think it's still within the realm of possibility. ARM is the Next Big Thing at the moment, but so was multi-core x86 before it, and back in the mists of time (a.k.a. the mid-'90s,) so was PPC. Things change, often in ways you wouldn't expect.

[commodorejohn]

My Mac Pro has 12.

Hmm, okay. Still a far cry from 32, though.

[commodorejohn]

The ebb and flow of the popularity of various processor architectures has more to do with IP licensing and business processes than their technical details.

Very true, but I wasn't trying to make a point about technical superiority, just that the industry can take surprising turns with little warning every now and again. That's as true from the business end of things as it is from the technical end. (Remember, the only reason the Playstation came into existence was because Nintendo screwed over Sony on a CD-based SNES addon project. And look where that's gone.)