Wow! C-USA's first commercial.

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Agreed.

+1

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I thought about it and then...

595 DOLLARS, OMFG, NO WAY!

I can get an Intel Atom system for half that.

Which means its a $300 case?

If you look, you can buy the case, keyboard, and card reader for $250.  That custom keyboard is VERY expensive even at a OEM cost.

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I remember contracting for similar keyboards when I worked for a small outfit that built PCs. They were well under $100.

It is below $100, but not by very much.

I think I'll gut a non-functional A500, A600, or A1200 and use a keyboard converter. It would be cheaper.

Or wait for Yoz's design to go into production.  But again, this is for the C64 folks, this is not a Commodore Amiga, that's further down the road.

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I'm not sitting at either one of these poles (positive or negative), but the Commodore and Amiga names aren't important to me (that's why I'm using the OS I am).
I'll let you and Franko argue out the import of new "Amigas".

I'm waiting to see what the OS turns out to be for the new Commodore Amigas.

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595 DOLLARS??! :shocked:

Hesus facking Christ!!

:roflmao:

First of all, this is targeting the C64 retro crowd and not the Amiga community. Second, that custom designed keyboard is close to $100 at OEM costs, so MSRP going to be a bit high and the pricing has to high enough for retail chains to make a profit on it as well as C=USA.  Third, the pricing in EUROs is 420.  Fourth, how much did you spend for that G2 based SAM440?

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Didn't you claim a while back they're not targeting the "retro" community?

For which product?  C64x has always been about the retro crowd.

Oh and this is not comparable to a Sam440, find me a PPC similarly specced mobo for a lower price?  PPC hardware is more costly than x86.

Yes it is relevant actually. This is about a hobby computer and what people will pay for it.  I can't see too many people buying this as their one and only computer.  Some will, most will not.  It breaks down to what people are willing to spend, be it on a SAM440, A1X1K, EFIKA-MX or a C64x.  Reason they are spending money on is they want a specific entertainment value out of it.  Those who spend far greater amounts for a computer with far lesser hardware capabilities have no place to complain about the current prices.

Sam440 runs OS 4, C64x doesn't, that's like saying "my dell laptop is cheaper than a macbook!", they don't run the same platforms.

If CUSA sell 100 of these pieces of crap I'll be amazed.

I find it interesting a OS4 supporter(s) condemning it which has yet to have it's first review.  In any regard, be prepared to be amazed, a big box retail chain here in the US already order 20 units @ store an there is over 1,000 stores.  Do the math.

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1. Why is it being pimped on this Amiga forum then? You admit now it has FA to do with Amiga now hmmmm thanks.

Check out what subboard it was posted on.

2. €65+€65 ie 100% profit for fake C= and retailer is at the top end ofhardware sales (20-50% = normal). So £99-109 is more than enough for just a case for the greedy tits. And the crap motherboard specs worth about £50-75 AT BEST.
So you have proved to us it is a rip-off markup on a fancy desktop case + under powered limp wristed x86 Windows/Liux motherboard. Thanks

First, convert it to USD, that may help you with the math.  Go take a look at those components, C=USA didn't go low quality on them so the price is higher.  Add in the cost of the case and that very expensive custom keyboard, labor to assemble them all, pay shipping to and from, pay tech support, and then there is the Disney Tron Legacy DVD.  Adds up pretty quick.

3. I bought a mint actual C64 + uIEC/MMC + SD card for less than 1/3 your C64x list price....hell I even got the Retrogenius Ultimate C64 DVD with REAL tape images....and I never have to look at crap like x86 Windows before VICE is loads and I'm playing ORIGINAL UNCRACKED GAMES :roflmao:

Well good for you.

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there are quite a few folks that are gonna remember that quote later this year, you know.

-- eliyahu

Their money, their choice in the matter.  Wealthy spends all types of insane amount of money on something, more power to them.   Someone gets what they desire and someone makes a profit.  I just find it awfully interesting that some of the people who are complaining about the price of the C64x don't have issue spending multiple times that on their own hobby computer which does far less and has far less support.

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So they have gotten to shipping actual product? Good on them. They turned out to be a legitimate business.

 
Not yet, online orders will be completed either later this month or by mid May of 2011.  Big box retailer probably has first priority.

Now to see consumer reviews come in, and see what the verdict is.

It will be interesting to see if C=USA did it right or has to change things.
 
 

And I assume this then silences the whole "OS4 hardware is too expensive" stuff for good then.

OS4 hardware coming down in price to match C=USA's Amigas?  Wonderful news!  Consumer always wins out when there is real competition.   You have a link for us on this price change?  Dual core pricing for Dual core pricing, right?

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She's more than a genius. Spoke to Jeri 2 weeks ago, and what a story that is. And the best part is....... the story isn't over yet!!

:banana:

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$300 is definitely on the low side. Even I don't think they should go that low. While it is an Intel Atom, its the highest performing Atom tied to an Nvidia GPU.
From the systems I've previously compared a $400 to $450 price might be more realistic.

While they could lower the cost with AMD Fusion (zacate should be out next month), you have to factor in beyond the components, like assemble fees, insurance,  end user tech support, marketing, and then profit for not only for C=USA but for the retailers selling the C64x as well that goes into figuring a MSRP and a MAP.  There are just so many hands in the pie, that profit is whittled down to nothing, then the US government takes it's 38.5% and whatever the state charges for corp taxes.  

Considering this is a start up and a quick production timeline, the prices are within reason.  I'm sure Leo will be working on cost reduction for production over the Summer (well, Winter for him).

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OK Barry, lets see how honest you are. How much do you pay for the VIC Slim Standard? You know, the one you sell for $395.

Come on, that is not reasonable to ask him what  his profit margin is.  I don't see anyone challenging A-EON or ACube on what they are purchasing their hardware and software/support for.

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A-EON and ACube aren't slapping a sticker on someone else's product and selling it.

The Vic Pro is a customize case (externally and internally) for C=USA, just like how A-EON has a customized case for their A1X1K.  We can go into what other people's parts go into a system if you want.  Vic slim, I don't know much about so it might be a white label product.  

If Barry is going to act outraged when someone claims that he is ripping people off with a ridiculous markup for putting a sticker on a product, he should be more than happy to prove them wrong.

From where I am from, the law says the accuser has to show the proof.  

The problem is that Barry actually is ripping people off with a ridiculous markup for putting a sticker on a product.

I'd say its up to you to prove it then.  Buy the product, buy what you think is it's original system at whatever price you find it at and then open the two cases up and show us the proof, part's model number for part's model number.  Till then, you are just doing a hit and run job on Barry.

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Is this proof enough for you?

What part of this post didn't you read? http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=629038&postcount=176  I already said the Vic Slim was possible a white label box, what more do you want?

Now on the Vic Pro, that is in a customized AIO system, internally and externally.  Your proof for Vic Pro being a white label system is?  Even the photos of the Vic Pro and what it was based on look different.  But you already knew that, right?

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What licenses? What testing? What customer support? I don't see any mention of customer support on CUSA's website.

I know the C64x will have live tech support (think it's 24/7 support but it might be only during normal business hours here in the US).  Not sure on the Vic series will have live tech support or not.  There is a lot of information that has not been posted yet to the web site.  I expect it to be posted as time rolls on.