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Re: IBM Power PC 1GHz chip only runs properly at 933MHz
« on: August 06, 2004, 01:49:37 AM »
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Though considering that this is the first I've heard of any PPC bug, and reports about flaws with Intel chips have been released consistently for years now, I think the PPC still has the better track record.
Ironically, this same sort of clock-dependent bug bit back when Motorola approached the 500MHz barrier.  Either PowerPC vendors aren't vetting their designs properly, or more likely, they've just been forced to 'paper-launch' much earlier than x86 vendors have.

Meanwhile, didn't Intel have to recall their first batch of GHz P4s after squeezing them out under similar pressure?  (All proverbial ten they shipped to be able to claim they got there on time?)

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Not to mention better power consumption and better instruction efficiency per cycle.
This has changed somewhat with the 970/"G5," especially as you throw things like improved x86 branch-prediction into the mix.  Still a very nice (and rather competetive) line of CPUs, when they work.
 

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Re: IBM Power PC 1GHz chip only runs properly at 933MHz
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 12:03:17 PM »
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But do you really believe they'll scale down CPUs for less heat when they dump silicon for diamond?
Refer to the principle of heat generation in fusing wires to each end of a battery i.e. the wire gets hotter. The electron leakage is basically runs on the similar principle.
Low-K Black Diamond promotes lower consumption, hence less heat generation.
Lest anyone be misled, note that 'Black Diamond' is not a diamond substrate itself, but rather a preparation of "CVD carbon-doped oxides."

http://www.chipworks.com/chipnews/2002_i02/interconnect_2.htm

There's some company that's supposedly found the trick to growing vapor-deposited diamond crystals (talking literal bricks, here) at intense purity and cost comparable to Si.  Intel were said to have shot them down when they made their pitch, betting on Si processes to continue to scale for the forseeable future.  ("Oops?")

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html

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Those Cyrixen were quite toasty for their performance at the time, probably owing to both process issues and decisions of design.  (Similarly, has there ever been a K7 chip that honors HLT in the manner previously expected?)

Scary numbers from the slot CPU era:
http://grassomusic.de/english/amdk7.htm
(In editing for width, I note that Xoops takes poorly to links containing '?' options.)

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Ewww. This is going to hurt IBM in sales and status. I hope they fix it.
Imagine if it was an Intel bug and not IBM. How many of us would be slamming the "I told u they were crap" line.
I think everyone hopes they'll fix it, IBM included.  However, while it certainly won't *grow* sales... you think PPC customers have ever really had a choice? ;-)  (Seriously, it sounds like the post-spinoff Freescale just might warm up the competition, but if what you want is a GHz *G3,* it's not like there's really a second source.)  Meanwhile, I'm lost as to how many units they actually sold before this discovery, and bugs in paper launches don't effect reality much.

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As it happens, the technology for active cooling of CPUs has improved a great deal: bigger and more heat conductive heat sinks, bigger and quieter fans, etc. What this needs is unrestricted airflow in cases, and this is where the vendors cut corners. They like to use smaller cases, so they cram them more, but they don't take care to make sure there are no restrictions to airflow.
Well, you should be enamored with BTX, then, and even I'll give Intel some credit for flipping PCI and AGP dust-collecting-side up.

The P4 does remain in the unenviable position of being the first line to throttle for protection under certified conditions.  (I'd say Prescott in specific, but I can't remember if this was first noticed on one or a late-model Northwood?)

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There is little excuse for not using tubular cables any more,
Except that most rounded cables are produced by vendors without a single EE on staff, and some actually show a negligible but worrying (as regards integrity) performance hit in practice.  Luckily, the SATA/SAS phy rather solves for this anyway.

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[...] and for not tidying up the cabling in such a way that it does not restrict airflow. All done to squeeze that little bit of extra profit in a cut-throat market.
Or to provide what consumers want, in which case the world might actually have some demand for (non-watercooled) PPCs.

Actually, it'd be interesting to know whether mainboard draws have dropped significantly on K8 designs; you lose a major portion of one big hot chip, and some of the transistor count that went with it... but, in early designs, do up the number of discrete bridge ICs on board.