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Title: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 27, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
As taken from EAB:

Basically we now have the go ahead to do a new run of revision 4 of the GBA1000 board. This board will allow the indivision ECS flickerfixer to function among its many new features.

Kipper has managed to get a better quote than I have managed plus shipping is cheaper from Asia to the U.S than the UK.

The initial outlay would be approx $46 per board with an aim to order at the end of February. Once they have arrived a final invoice would be presented for shipment to your country. We are aiming for a minimum of 30 boards.

So please state if your interested.

(Mods could this be made a sticky for a while?).

eab thread is here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67460 (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67460)

eab component sourcing thread is here:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67619 (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67619)

Preorder list is here:
http://www.amigaclassic.com/node/4 (http://www.amigaclassic.com/node/4)

You can pre order up until  Feb 24th and pay by the 3rd of March.

Payment details to follow.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Astral on January 27, 2013, 12:38:03 PM
Could you put me down for 2 board please?

(Any chance of a link/some info on what changes the Rev4 board has?)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 27, 2013, 01:01:12 PM
We're still discovering these but the main one seems to be support for the new Agnus chip as well as support for the flicker fixer. I'll start putting a website together for builds etc and detail the features.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Amigamia on January 27, 2013, 01:01:29 PM
I am very interested. Pencil me in for 1 board
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: barney on January 27, 2013, 02:30:02 PM
Hello, please go ahead and put me down for 2 boards.  Thanks.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: klx300r on January 27, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
I'm good for one.

Many thanks setting this up !
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 27, 2013, 04:45:10 PM
Add me to the list for one board. Maybe two when more details are known.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 27, 2013, 05:14:13 PM
Keep them coming. We need 30 for the order and are already half way there on just two forums (here and eab).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Jeff on January 27, 2013, 05:17:46 PM
Please put me down for 2 boards also.

Quote from: PJM;724277
Keep them coming. We need 30 for the order and are already half way there on just two forums (here and eab).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: DutchinUSA on January 27, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Put me down for one, might not have the skill to finish it myself but great initiative and maybe some with the skill could do it for a fee? (which might not be feasible if there are a lot of man hours involved).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 27, 2013, 05:33:26 PM
I'm in for 1
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: midway on January 27, 2013, 06:50:03 PM
I am in for one too, its the 68060 onboard version right?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: hese7 on January 27, 2013, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: midway;724299
I am in for one too, its the 68060 onboard version right?

No, it's the 68030 version.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 27, 2013, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: midway;724299
I am in for one too, its the 68060 onboard version right?


The 060 version won't see a release for some time but there is a 040/060 accelerator you can build to plug into it.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: klx300r on January 27, 2013, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: PJM;724305
The 060 version won't see a release for some time but there is a 040/060 accelerator you can build to plug into it.


Personally I'm more than happy with an 030 for it
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 27, 2013, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: klx300r;724307
Personally I'm more than happy with an 030 for it


Beats the original 68000 somewhat. :D
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: klx300r on January 27, 2013, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: PJM;724309
Beats the original 68000 somewhat. :D


Well mine has a 68010 but yes I totally agree :)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Firedawg on January 27, 2013, 11:55:05 PM
Reported my interest in this new board over at EAB. - Mike
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: barney on January 28, 2013, 01:19:47 AM
Quote from: DutchinUSA;724282
Put me down for one, might not have the skill to finish it myself but great initiative and maybe some with the skill could do it for a fee? (which might not be feasible if there are a lot of man hours involved).


Aren't these Motherboards 100% completed when you send them out?  What else will need to be completed to get them up and running?  Will there be some soldering?  Thanks.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: klx300r on January 28, 2013, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: barney;724354
Aren't these Motherboards 100% completed when you send them out?  What else will need to be completed to get them up and running?  Will there be some soldering?  Thanks.

these are essentially bare boards so if you don't enjoy soldering or hacking the occasional old MB to find parts etc. then this project is probably not for you
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 28, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: PJM;724236
As taken from EAB:
The initial outlay would be approx $46 per board with an aim to order at the end of February. Once they have arrived a final invoice would be presented for shipment to your country. We are aiming for a minimum of 30 boards.

So please state if your interested.
(Mods could this be made a sticky for a while?).

I will purchase 2. Thank you for the V4 of this.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: barney on January 28, 2013, 01:44:51 AM
Quote from: klx300r;724357
these are essentially bare boards so if you don't enjoy soldering or hacking the occasional old MB to find parts etc. then this project is probably not for you


When you say "bare", do you mean traces only?  I take it there are no sockets or various other chips installed?  Exactly what needs to be done to get these things up and working?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 28, 2013, 02:50:04 AM
Quote from: barney;724360
When you say "bare", do you mean traces only?  I take it there are no sockets or various other chips installed?  Exactly what needs to be done to get these things up and working?


yes, they are bare pcb, they have traces but you need to solder EVERY chip and socket etc.

looks like this;

(http://www.illuwatar.se/project_pages/gba1000/images/gba1000-004.jpg)

(http://www.illuwatar.se/project_pages/gba1000/images/gba1000-005.jpg)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Iggy on January 28, 2013, 04:01:03 AM
II'll take one.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: hese7 on January 28, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Quote from: PJM;724305
The 060 version won't see a release for some time but there is a 040/060 accelerator you can build to plug into it.

No you can't unless Braun releases the Eagle, logic, etc. files for the accelerator.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Pyromania on January 28, 2013, 06:28:34 AM
Put me down for one, can someone help me build it or is it hard?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 06:57:50 AM
Which I'm working on.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 06:58:51 AM
Quote from: hese7;724374
No you can't unless Braun releases the Eagle, logic, etc. files for the accelerator.


Which I'm asking him about.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 12:33:34 PM
Now at 28 boards, 30 was the minimum order number so this issues at all. There may be a price break with higher numbers so will let you know if we reach it.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: oldman1000 on January 28, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
i want 2

is this only dip part ?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 28, 2013, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: oldman1000;724415
i want 2

is this only dip part ?


no there are some soj, sot etc packages besides dip.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: save2600 on January 28, 2013, 02:27:11 PM
I'll take 2 of them PJM!

BTW: has anyone bothered to put together a parts kit (sans Amiga custom chips) for these? Be nice to have a one or two stop shop vs. hunting, pecking and scouring multiple distributors.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 03:44:33 PM
On the plus side you'll be a soldering expert by the end - you'll be able to build a minimig in your sleep :D.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: amiman99 on January 28, 2013, 03:44:34 PM
I'll bite the bullet and get one, so +1 for me!
The only concern for me is the custom PALS/GALS, if kipper or someone else can provide those as a kit that would be awesome.
I don't mind paying extra for hard to find parts or kits, for example surface mount caps and resistors.

I have bunch of spare custom chips and 1 dead A500 and one dead A2000, so I should be covered!
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: save2600;724419
I'll take 2 of them PJM!

BTW: has anyone bothered to put together a parts kit (sans Amiga custom chips) for these? Be nice to have a one or two stop shop vs. hunting, pecking and scouring multiple distributors.


A1K.org did. We will as a board building group source the parts. You won't have to do any hunting as each item will have a weblink when I am done to order. Some can only be ordered in 10 plus quantities so some dealings will need to be done.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: amiman99;724433
I'll bite the bullet and get one, so +1 for me!
The only concern for me is the custom PALS/GALS, if kipper or someone else can provide those as a kit that would be awesome.
I don't mind paying extra for hard to find parts or kits, for example surface mount caps and resistors.

I have bunch of spare custom chips and 1 dead A500 and one dead A2000, so I should be covered!


Theres a couple of guys that can program them - kipper included and he is looking to see what he can do to help at the moment.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 28, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
already ordered all my pals + gals, ram chips/memory (except for 1, the 514400-60SOJ), one of the hard to get 74 logic chips, commodore chips and 50mhz 030 cpu + 50mhz fpu. the most expensive was the 16 soj ram chips)

now just to hit mouser for the rest of the 74 logic chips and find me some connectors...

coming soon will be a gary, paula, denise, fat agnus, amber and some cia operatives!

hopefully someone will be able to program all the pals/gals in the build-along ;) and I can ship my chips to them... (fingers crossed)...
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: amiman99 on January 28, 2013, 04:17:13 PM
Is it possible to change the CPU/FPU sockets from PGA to PLCC?
the PLCC versions of the CPU/FPU are alot cheaper and easier to source.
I got Freescale 68882 40Mhz from China for about $10 shipped.

Edit: Maybe just the FPU, because I cant see any PLCC CPUs, some surface mount.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 28, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: PJM;724436
Theres a couple of guys that can program them - kipper included and he is looking to see what he can do to help at the moment.

Excellent.....

A few questions, In looking at GBA1000 website, some general version 1 specifications are given, as well as for unreleased version 5. I did notice some V5 basic documentation so this looks fairly recently displayed to public. What are specific V4 specifications. I am assuming that it is much like the V1 but having some fixes or optimizations. Can you confirm?

This is an exciting project. I have all Commodore manufactured donor parts needed.

Anybody know if 3rd party hardware is compatible with the GBA1000?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: Rodomoc;724441
Excellent.....

A few questions, In looking at GBA1000 website, some general version 1 specifications are given, as well as for unreleased version 5. I did notice some V5 basic documentation so this looks fairly recently displayed to public. What are specific V4 specifications. I am assuming that it is much like the V1 but having some fixes or optimizations. Can you confirm?

This is an exciting project. I have all Commodore manufactured donor parts needed.

Anybody know if 3rd party hardware is compatible with the GBA1000?

It is mainly bug fixes, but the new board is no longer tied to a specific version of the Agnus chip so you have a few options there now. It can also now take the Indivision ECS flicker fixer. Some additional hardware will work, but it is a seriously feature rich machine anyway. His website even has a Picasso II card you can build and an additional ram expansion plus the front and side slots for other kit.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 28, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
Quote from: PJM;724445
It is mainly bug fixes, but the new board is no longer tied to a specific version of the Agnus chip so you have a few options there now. It can also now take the Indivision ECS flicker fixer. Some additional hardware will work, but it is a seriously feature rich machine anyway. His website even has a Picasso II card you can build and an additional ram expansion plus the front and side slots for other kit.

It is a nice board for sure. More Ram = merrier even if a separate board has to be built. Looks like one could get up to 32MB this way. Use of Indivision ECS is huge. Not sure what the IDE is capable of at this point. I wonder what the Zorro II would handle in regards to hardware? Keep us all posted on this. I look forward to ordering the 2 boards (maybe up to 5 depending on demand and further price breaks)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 28, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
With fully built ones requiring so much work and dedication they rarely come up for sale to the point that you could pretty much name your price for a completed working board.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: freqmax on January 29, 2013, 02:05:27 AM
Complete board != Kit => EMC directives to haunt you .. ;)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 29, 2013, 02:30:41 AM
been looking over the a1k rev0 pdf, puzzling through some german. Its not clear what kickstart it takes. Illuwatar's page sats 3.1 40.63 (but does not say, a2k, a500, a600 type etc).. the rev0 pdf _seems_ to say 'original roms'..  gba1k uses IDE, but not the same as A600 ide chip... so I assume we need an a2k kickstart?

but the original 1.3 a1k roms were files (been a LOONG time since I played with an a1k) not a rom? kinda confused what kickstart I need to get.

looks like I need to make a little pcb with an RJ20 to DIN socket adapter so I can use an a 2000/3000 keyboard.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 29, 2013, 06:40:35 AM
I thought 1.2 was kickstart disk and 1.3 a ROM?
Anyway this board has two rom sockets so you burn your own or I presume use the A1200/A4000 kickstart. I need to check that however.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 29, 2013, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: PJM;724547
I thought 1.2 was kickstart disk and 1.3 a ROM?
Anyway this board has two rom sockets so you burn your own or I presume use the A1200/A4000 kickstart. I need to check that however.


my understanding is, it has two sockets, one for a KS rom, and one for another KS rom and you can swap between them, so you need a single KS rom set (so not a a1200/a4000 double rom set).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 29, 2013, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724555
my understanding is, it has two sockets, one for a KS rom, and one for another KS rom and you can swap between them, so you need a single KS rom set (so not a a1200/a4000 double rom set).


Excellent - a ROM switcher as well.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 29, 2013, 01:31:33 PM
well, someone with better german should confirm, it says something in the german pdf, its in the rev 00.zip file.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 29, 2013, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: save2600;724419
BTW: has anyone bothered to put together a parts kit (sans Amiga custom chips) for these? Be nice to have a one or two stop shop vs. hunting, pecking and scouring multiple distributors.


I did a bill of materials back for the first set of boards in 2008. Was posted on the net some where. I'll see if I can locate my copy to repost. Not as good as a kit, but you can build your own kit from I think two vendors.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 29, 2013, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724559
well, someone with better german should confirm, it says something in the german pdf, its in the rev 00.zip file.


There is an english version of the manual I helped edit. If not found on the net with a GBA1000 search, I'll try to find my copy and repost.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 29, 2013, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724559
well, someone with better german should confirm, it says something in the german pdf, its in the rev 00.zip file.

The manual says one socket is a ROM socket and the other EPROM. You can use your own custom kickstarts in the EPROM. In this instance any kickstart chip from the A500/A2000 should work in the ROM socket.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: save2600 on January 29, 2013, 05:53:27 PM
Quote from: Plaz;724565
I did a bill of materials back for the first set of boards in 2008. Was posted on the net some where. I'll see if I can locate my copy to repost. Not as good as a kit, but you can build your own kit from I think two vendors.

Plaz


Awesome Plaz! Yeah, please share.  :)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 29, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
This would be useful. I plan to do a new website to replace the one that was lost :).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 29, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Reading through the various posts on this thread and the other one. Also took a look at the various Braun materials. I know that it is nice to think about the possibilities of added features or a change in board format, but it is best to manufacture the v4 board as is. It is soundly engineered and good to go. Should Braun release eagle and BOM info on the v5, well obviously that would be the way to go in the future. :) I have 2 A1000 machines. It looks like one of them is going to run real good soon.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 29, 2013, 10:25:28 PM
In studying the schematics between V4 and V5, much is the same when it comes to general Amiga chip set portion of the circuit. Obviously the V5 CPU and memory is radically different than V4 and also the IDE. Braun did a lot of detailed electrical engineering as evidenced by reviewing the eagle files for V4. A ton of work was done, so hats off to him for basically reverse engineering the general Amiga circuit.

I see Braun does not speak too highly of the IDE in the V4 board. This must have been his inspiration to go into an A600 IDE design in V5.

I also compared initial board release schematics with V4. Various small changes were made, but overall it is quite the same.

One other thought comes to mind...That being a small hacker board containing clock ports being added to a V4 board. Might be possible, thus giving the V4 a nice feature boost w/ 3rd party add ons. (Subway USB, Delfina, ?) Maybe someone clever can work on something along these lines?

I am confused by Kickstart version. The V4 looks to be a straight up 2MB based ECS design to me so one would assume that 3.1 Kickstarts would be a possibility.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 29, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Rodomoc;724607
In studying the schematics between V4 and V5, much is the same when it comes to general Amiga chip set portion of the circuit. Obviously the V5 CPU and memory is radically different than V4 and also the IDE. Braun did a lot of detailed electrical engineering as evidenced by reviewing the eagle files for V4. A ton of work was done, so hats off to him for basically reverse engineering the general Amiga circuit.

I see Braun does not speak too highly of the IDE in the V4 board. This must have been his inspiration to go into an A600 IDE design in V5.

I also compared initial board release schematics with V4. Various small changes were made, but overall it is quite the same.

One other thought comes to mind...That being a small hacker board containing clock ports being added to a V4 board. Might be possible, thus giving the V4 a nice feature boost w/ 3rd party add ons. (Subway USB, Delfina, ?) Maybe someone clever can work on something along these lines?

I am confused by Kickstart version. The V4 looks to be a straight up 2MB based ECS design to me so one would assume that 3.1 Kickstarts would be a possibility.

The board now takes both of the ECS 2mb Agnus chips (A500+/A3000). The board can run kickstart 3.1 with no issues or your own customised kickstarts. A clockport could be added, there's a couple of places it could be taken from. His schematics are fantastic. You could build your own Amiga design with them. The A600 IDE design is far better, as used in a number of A500 expansions. In the future I do plan to adapt them to ATX for my own purposes.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Iggy on January 29, 2013, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: PJM;724613
The board now takes both of the ECS 2mb Agnus chips (A500+/A3000). The board can run kickstart 3.1 with no issues or your own customised kickstarts. A clockport could be added, there's a couple of places it could be taken from. His schematics are fantastic. You could build your own Amiga design with them. The A600 IDE design is far better, as used in a number of A500 expansions. In the future I do plan to adapt them to ATX for my own purposes.


That's cool.
I'd love to see an ATX implementation.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 29, 2013, 11:43:20 PM
just scored a craigslisted A500 mobo that will be the sacrificial lamb for all the connectors.

Someone is selling DB23 male/female connectors on ebay but these are NOT right angle solder connectors, they are for making cables, not for soldering to the mobo.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 30, 2013, 01:29:00 AM
@PJM

Found the English version of the manual. PM me with an address and I'll send a copy you can post for everyone. Still looking for my version of the bill of materials.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: pwermonger on January 30, 2013, 05:29:25 AM
Count me in for one board. I need a project to take up my free time and what is more worthy than something Amiga?
Copies of the manual and bill of materials would also be great if made available to help us along with getting these setup once we get them so hopefully those can be found and put up someplace.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: billt on January 30, 2013, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: PJM;724613
The board now takes both of the ECS 2mb Agnus chips (A500+/A3000). The board can run kickstart 3.1 with no issues or your own customised kickstarts. A clockport could be added, there's a couple of places it could be taken from. His schematics are fantastic. You could build your own Amiga design with them. The A600 IDE design is far better, as used in a number of A500 expansions. In the future I do plan to adapt them to ATX for my own purposes.


Considering what happened whan someone uploaded the original files to aminet, I'd encourage getting GB's approval before doing more designs based on his schematic. We have plenty of Commodore service manuals to work from the same way if he doesn't.

And, like some others, I'd like to see new designs go AGA, perhaps with Prometheus built-in (non-profit style only) or Mediator bridge slot for PCI rather than ISA inline on big-box type boards. And 040/060 socket would be nice too. Actually, I'd probably prefer an A3000/4000 CPU slot over a CPU chip socket, and then we could even get CSPPC for OS4. AGA would be a big do over from scratch anyway. And then at some point consider Minimig-AGA in an FPGA rather than actual Amiga chips, once Minimig-AGA is available from Yaqube and MikeJ. (I'm assuming that will be GPL as is original Minimig)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Firedawg on January 30, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: Plaz;724629
@PJM

Found the English version of the manual. PM me with an address and I'll send a copy you can post for everyone. Still looking for my version of the bill of materials.

Plaz

Hey Plaz,

Hope all is well.  Is the manual you have the translated from German version by Kristian Karlshøj, and youself?  If so, great!  I'm working on updating my BOM from the GBA1000 2008' board to this current version 4, which is not much other than getting the pricing from Digi-Key and Mouser.  Will provide it to the group when completed.

-Mike
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Zordar on January 30, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: PJM;724236
As taken from EAB:

Basically we now have the go ahead to do a new run of revision 4 of the GBA1000 board. This board will allow the indivision ECS flickerfixer to function among its many new features.

Kipper has managed to get a better quote than I have managed plus shipping is cheaper from Asia to the U.S than the UK.

The initial outlay would be approx $46 per board with an aim to order at the end of February. Once they have arrived a final invoice would be presented for shipment to your country. We are aiming for a minimum of 30 boards.

So please state if your interested.

(Mods could this be made a sticky for a while?).
Hi,

Sent you a PM - interested in buying two boards.  Thanks.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 30, 2013, 03:42:58 PM
is the parts list different from v0 to v4? ie: the spreadsheet in the a1kboard_00.zip is valid for v4?? if you have the v4 files, can you release the spreadsheet?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 30, 2013, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724678
is the parts list different from v0 to v4? ie: the spreadsheet in the a1kboard_00.zip is valid for v4?? if you have the v4 files, can you release the spreadsheet?


The spreadsheet in there appears to be good for v4.

As for the GBA1000. Do not forget the board is based on the Phoneix and several expansions that Braun added to form a new design. The schematics for the most part are nothing new, it's several AMIGAs effectively hashed together and held together by Brauns magic and workarouds including the ide controller. It's the board layout/design that is unique. Brauns schematics are easier to read than the Amiga equivalents, this is the point I was trying to make.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 30, 2013, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: PJM;724682
The spreadsheet in there appears to be good for v4.

As for the GBA1000. Do not forget the board is based on the Phoneix and several expansions that Braun added to form a new design. The schematics for the most part are nothing new, it's several AMIGAs effectively hashed together and held together by Brauns magic and workarouds including the ide controller. It's the board layout/design that is unique. Brauns schematics are easier to read than the Amiga equivalents, this is the point I was trying to make.



the schematics are great, yes. but the spreadsheet tells me I need X count of resister Z, Y count of 74x chip etc. otherwise I have to go over the schematic and try and count each one individually.

the phoenix board was great, we saw quite a few, since they were locally made/designed.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 30, 2013, 05:46:06 PM
Quote from: billt;724665
And, like some others, I'd like to see new designs go AGA, perhaps with Prometheus built-in (non-profit style only) or Mediator bridge slot for PCI rather than ISA inline on big-box type boards. And 040/060 socket would be nice too. Actually, I'd probably prefer an A3000/4000 CPU slot over a CPU chip socket, and then we could even get CSPPC for OS4. AGA would be a big do over from scratch anyway. And then at some point consider Minimig-AGA in an FPGA rather than actual Amiga chips, once Minimig-AGA is available from Yaqube and MikeJ. (I'm assuming that will be GPL as is original Minimig)

Significant changes will require a lot of engineering, hence for an immediate result, use Braun's V4 as is.

Regarding PCI...A new design in 68060 combined with PLX9054 chip is far superior to anything currently employed on Amiga. Reference the R Czuba designs made for Atari (CT60. CTPCI). Big engineering required to get this into Amiga. Even adapting AGA into the equation will require a bit of effort. Hence I remain content for now with the Braun V4. Not that I wouldn't like these other possibilities in the future however...
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: billt on January 30, 2013, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: Rodomoc;724693
Significant changes will require a lot of engineering, hence for an immediate result, use Braun's V4 as is.


Indeed, and I have already placed my order for this at EAB.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 30, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724686
the schematics are great, yes. but the spreadsheet tells me I need X count of resister Z, Y count of 74x chip etc. otherwise I have to go over the schematic and try and count each one individually.

the phoenix board was great, we saw quite a few, since they were locally made/designed.

The second part was me answering billit not you sorry. I forgot to requote. I fully understand why you want the spreadsheet :).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 30, 2013, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: Rodomoc;724693
Significant changes will require a lot of engineering, hence for an immediate result, use Braun's V4 as is.

Regarding PCI...A new design in 68060 combined with PLX9054 chip is far superior to anything currently employed on Amiga. Reference the R Czuba designs made for Atari (CT60. CTPCI). Big engineering required to get this into Amiga. Even adapting AGA into the equation will require a bit of effort. Hence I remain content for now with the Braun V4. Not that I wouldn't like these other possibilities in the future however...


Theres actually a now open-sourced AMIGA 4000 PCI expansion so it wouldn't be that difficult if based around the hardware from that. But thats not the point as this thread is about the GBA1000.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Rodomoc on January 30, 2013, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: PJM;724701
Theres actually a now open-sourced AMIGA 4000 PCI expansion so it wouldn't be that difficult if based around the hardware from that. But thats not the point as this thread is about the GBA1000.

I am aware that Prometheus went open late last year. But it is no match for a 68060 talking directly to a PLX9054. I believe Czuba had transfer rates at near 100mb/sec. But as you rightly said, not a point of this thread :)

So what is the current status on the V4 then? Looks like plenty of people will pony up. Looks like Braun-based component BOM is already good to go. My only question is in the gory details of firmware, etc.... One thing for me to build this thing, but getting system running beyond my expertise without some serious instructions for dummies :)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 30, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
I opened the project in eagle and generated parts list in which creates qunataties etc
eagle didnt like some names so it added a @ after some devices.

this may help some people

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Qty Value      Device     Package    Parts                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Description
1   1-5pF      C-TRIM@3   C-TRIM-1   C59
2   100R       R-MELF@3   0204       R58, R59
1   100k       R-MELF@3   0204       R63
107 100nF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C3, C4, C5, C6, C7, C8, C9, C10, C11, C12, C13, C14, C15, C16, C17, C21, C22, C23, C24, C25, C26, C27, C28, C29, C30, C31, C32, C33, C34, C35, C50, C52, C53, C54, C60, C61, C62, C63, C64, C65, C66, C67, C68, C69, C70, C71, C72, C73, C78, C84, C88, C96, C97, C99, C103, C106, C107, C108, C109, C110, C111, C112, C115, C116, C117, C118, C119, C120, C121, C122, C123, C125, C126, C127, C128, C130, C131, C132, C133, C134, C135, C136, C137, C138, C139, C140, C141, C142, C143, C144, C145, C146, C147, C148, C149, C150, C151, C152, C153, C154, C155, C156, C157, C158, C159, C160, C165
12  100pF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C36, C37, C38, C39, C40, C41, C56, C57, C58, C100, C101, C102
2   100uF      C-7243-T   7243       C18, C20
3   10R        R-MELF@3   0204       R27, R50, R51
1   10UH       10UH       L-10UH     L24
1   10k        G04R       SIL5       RN2
11  10k        R-MELF@3   0204       R30, R33, R34, R42, R43, R52, R53, R56, R64, R128, R129
1   10nF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C98
2   10uF       C-1812-K   1812       C83, C86
5   10uF       C-7243-T   7243       C55, C77, C89, C104, C105
1   10uH       10UH       L-10UH     L26
1   150R       R-MELF@3   0204       R29
1   180R       R-MELF@3   0204       R106
4   1K         R-MELF@3   0204       R21, R22, R28, R38
1   1M         R-MELF@3   0204       R65
1   1R         R-MELF@3   0204       R24
1   1k         G04R       SIL5       RN3
1   1k         G08R@4     SIL9@4     RN9
12  1k         R-MELF@3   0204       R31, R35, R44, R48, R49, R60, R61, R66, R110, R111, R118, R123
1   1k         TRIM-G     R-POT-G    R26
2   1nF        C-1206-K@5 1206       C48, C49
2   1uF        C-1206-K@5 1206       C44, C47
1   20pF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C79
4   220uF      C-7243-T   7243       C42, C43, C45, C46
6   22R        R-MELF@3   0204       R1, R2, R3, R68, R69, R70
1   22k        R-MELF@3   0204       R62
2   22uF       C-7243-T   7243       C94, C95
1   27C256     27C256@2   DIP28-6@2  IC34
1   27C400     27C400     DIP40-6    IC12
1   27C4096    27C4096    DIP40-6    IC13
1   29F800     29F800     TSOP48     IC60
1   2K2        R-MELF@3   0204       R107
1   2N3906     2N3906     MPF102     T3
1   2k21       R-MELF@3   0204       R115
1   2k7        R-MELF@3   0204       R54
2   3,9nF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C82, C87
1   32kHz      Q-HC49     Q-UHR      Q1
1   330R       R-MELF@3   0204       R55
1   332R       R-MELF@3   0204       R121
17  33R        R-MELF@3   0204       R6, R12, R14, R17, R19, R83, R84, R85, R86, R87, R88, R89, R90, R91, R92, R93, R94
3   33R2       R-MELF@3   0204       R116, R117, R122
4   390R       R-MELF@3   0204       R37, R40, R45, R46
1   39pF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C51
1   3K32       R-MELF@3   0204       R36
1   4,7uF      C-3528-T   3528       C164
1   470R       G08R@5     SIL9@5     RN14
2   470R       R-MELF@3   0204       R39, R82
2   470k       R-MELF@3   0204       R41, R47
1   47K5       R-MELF@3   0204       R25
8   47R        R-MELF@3   0204       R95, R96, R97, R98, R99, R100, R101, R102
4   47nF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C90, C91, C92, C93
12  47uF       C-7243-T   7243       C1, C2, C19, C74, C76, C113, C114, C124, C129, C161, C162, C163
5   48 OHM/6A  L-1206     1206       L90, L100, L101, L102, L103
3   4K7        R-MELF@3   0204       R103, R104, R105
2   4k7        G04R       SIL5       RN10, RN13
1   4k7        G08R@4     SIL9@4     RN12
3   4k7        G08R@5     SIL9@5     RN1, RN15, RN16
23  4k7        R-MELF@3   0204       R5, R67, R76, R77, R78, R79, R80, R81, R108, R109, R112, R113, R114, R119, R120, R124, R125, R126, R127, R130, R131, R132, R134
1   5-40pF     C-TRIM@3   C-TRIM-1   C80
4   514400     514400     SOJ26/20   IC7, IC8, IC9, IC10
1   5M6        R-MELF@3   0204       R32
2   6,8nF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C81, C85
1   680R       R-MELF@3   0204       R57
1   68R        E4R@2      SIL8@2     RN4
14  68R        R-MELF@3   0204       R4, R7, R8, R9, R10, R11, R13, R15, R16, R18, R20, R71, R72, R73
1   7,5pF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C75
1   7406       7406@2     DIP14      IC47
1   7407       7407@2     DIP14      IC49
1   74AC08     7408       SO14       IC80
1   74AC74     7474       SO14       IC78
1   74F04      7404@2     DIP14      IC51
1   74F163     74160      DIP16      IC29
2   74F245     74245      SO20L      IC58, IC59
1   74F521     74520@2    DIP20      IC16
1   74F74      7474       DIP14      IC30
1   74HC04     7414       DIP14      IC28
1   74HC05     7404@2     DIP14      IC79
1   74HC157    74157@2    DIP16      IC22
2   74HC245    74245@2    DIP20      IC23, IC24
1   74HC32     7432@2     DIP14      IC46
4   74HC541    74541@2    DIP20      IC3, IC4, IC5, IC6
2   74HC573    74573@2    DIP20      IC1, IC2
3   74LS245    74245@2    DIP20      IC17, IC35, IC36
1   74LS373    74373@2    DIP20      IC15
1   825k       R-MELF@3   0204       R133
1   90R9       R-MELF@3   0204       R23
1   AGNU8375   AGNU8375   PLCC84     IC52
1   AMBER      AMBER@3    PLCC68     IC20
3   BAS32L     D-BAS32L   SOD-80     D1, D2, D3
2   CIA_8520   CIA_8520   DIP40-6    IC40, IC43
1   COMP       CINCH-B    CINCH-B    X6
16  CY7C1049   CY7C1049   SOJ36/4    IC62, IC63, IC64, IC65, IC66, IC67, IC68, IC69, IC70, IC71, IC72, IC73, IC74, IC75, IC76, IC77
1   DENISE     DENISE     DIP48-6    IC26
1   DIN-8      DIN-8      DIN-8      X5
1   DISK       F23H_FC@2  F23H_FC@2  X14
1   DISK_INT   ML34       ML34       SV1
1   DS1488     DS1488     DIP14      IC44
1   DS1489     DS1489     DIP14      IC45
1   EXPANSION  SLOT-86    LKOT-43    X20
86  FB         L-1206     1206       L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6, L7, L8, L9, L10, L11, L12, L13, L14, L15, L16, L17, L18, L19, L20, L21, L22, L23, L25, L27, L28, L29, L30, L31, L32, L33, L37, L44, L45, L46, L47, L48, L49, L50, L51, L52, L53, L54, L55, L56, L57, L58, L59, L60, L61, L62, L63, L64, L65, L66, L67, L68, L69, L70, L71, L72, L73, L74, L75, L76, L77, L78, L79, L80, L81, L82, L83, L84, L85, L86, L87, L88, L89, L91, L92, L94, L95, L96, L97, L98, L99
10  FB         L-1206@2   1206       L34, L35, L36, L38, L39, L40, L41, L42, L43, L93
1   FRONT      SLOT-86    LKOT-43    X19
3   GAL16V8-15 GAL16V8    DIP20@2    IC14, IC18, IC33
3   GAL16V8-25 GAL16V8    DIP20@2    IC19, IC31, IC32
4   GAL20V8-15 GAL20V8    DIP24-3    IC53, IC54, IC55, IC56
1   GARY       GARY       DIP48-6    IC50
1   Game       M09H_FC@2  M09H_FC@2  X2
1   J1         SL3-1      SL3-1      X4
1   J2         SL3-1      SL3-1      X16
1   JUM-BR     JUM-BR     JUMPER     S1
5   JUM-BR     JUM-BR@2   BRUECK-S   S2, S3, S7, S5, S6
1   KEYBOARD   RJ10       RJ10       X15
1   L-1206     L-1206@2   1206       L104
1   LEFT       CINCH-B    CINCH-B    X10
1   LI-3V6     LI-3V6     LI-3V6     BAT1
1   LM339      LM339      DIP14      IC48
1   LSI1024    LSI1024@5  PLCC68@4   IC57
1   MC68030RC  MC68030RC  PGA-128    IC37
1   MC68881RC  MC68881RC  PGA-68     IC38
1   ML10       ML10       ML10       SV4
1   ML14       ML14       ML14       SV3
1   ML40       ML40       ML40       SV2
1   MOL-2      MOL-2      MOL-2      X26
2   MOL-4      MOL-4      MOL-4      X23, X24
2   MPF102     MPF102     MPF102     T1, T2
3   MSM514221  MSM514221  DIP16      U470, U471, U472
1   MSM6242    MSM6242    DIP18      IC39
1   Mouse      M09H_FC@2  M09H_FC@2  X1
1   NE564      NE564      DIP16      IC27
1   PAULA      PAULA      DIP48-6    IC41
1   PLED       MOL-2      MOL-2      X13
1   PRINTER    M25H_FC@2  M25H_FC@2  X11
1   PSG-7      PSG-7      PSG-7      X22
2   QUARZ      QUARZ@2    Q-DIL14    IC11, IC61
2   R-MELF     R-MELF@3   0204       R135, R136
1   RGB        M23H_FC@2  M23H_FC@2  X3
1   RIGHT      CINCH-B    CINCH-B    X9
1   ROM        SL3-1@2    SL3-1      X21
1   RS232      F25H_FC@2  F25H_FC@2  X12
1   SL22-2-2   SL22-2-2   SL22-2-2   X25
1   SL3-1      SL3-1      SL3-1      X7
1   SL3-1      SL3-1@2    SL3-1      X8
2   SMD-BR     SMD-BR     BRUECKE    S4, S8
1   TL084      TL084      DIP14      IC42
4   UPD42101   UPD42101   DIP24-3    U473, U474, U475, U479
2   VIDEO_H    VIDEO_H    SIP22      IC21, IC25
1   ZORRO-II   SLOT-100@2 SLOT-100@2 X18
1   n.b.       G04R       SIL5       RN5
2   n.b.       R-MELF@3   0204       R137, R138
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: freqmax on January 30, 2013, 07:51:19 PM
Idea: Make a board where any Agnus type of chip can be used ie OCS/ECS/AGA, same for CPU such that it can use 68000/020/030/040/060, and other periphial chips like Paula etc.

Such that any combination can be used depending on what chips can be found from otherwise "dead" motherboards. So if you find a working AGA on one motherboard, 68000 from a second, and Paula from a third.

Practical design would be multiple PCB pads. And possible configuration with jumpers. Ie use the ones you can populate. So that no scrap motherboard components would be wasted.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 30, 2013, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: freqmax;724713
Idea: Make a board where any Agnus type of chip can be used ie OCS/ECS/AGA, same for CPU such that it can use 68000/020/030/040/060, and other periphial chips like Paula etc.

Such that any combination can be used depending on what chips can be found from otherwise "dead" motherboards. So if you find a working AGA on one motherboard, 68000 from a second, and Paula from a third.

Practical design would be multiple PCB pads. And possible configuration with jumpers. Ie use the ones you can populate. So that no scrap motherboard components would be wasted.

Nice idea - but you couldn't have a motherboard with AGA and ECS support. Its one or the other. The OCS/ECS is possible with this board to some extent. Don't forget the chip packages are so different across some of the models.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 30, 2013, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724712
I opened the project in eagle and generated parts list in which creates qunataties etc
eagle didnt like some names so it added a @ after some devices.

this may help some people

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Qty Value      Device     Package    Parts                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Description
1   1-5pF      C-TRIM@3   C-TRIM-1   C59
2   100R       R-MELF@3   0204       R58, R59
1   100k       R-MELF@3   0204       R63
107 100nF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C3, C4, C5, C6, C7, C8, C9, C10, C11, C12, C13, C14, C15, C16, C17, C21, C22, C23, C24, C25, C26, C27, C28, C29, C30, C31, C32, C33, C34, C35, C50, C52, C53, C54, C60, C61, C62, C63, C64, C65, C66, C67, C68, C69, C70, C71, C72, C73, C78, C84, C88, C96, C97, C99, C103, C106, C107, C108, C109, C110, C111, C112, C115, C116, C117, C118, C119, C120, C121, C122, C123, C125, C126, C127, C128, C130, C131, C132, C133, C134, C135, C136, C137, C138, C139, C140, C141, C142, C143, C144, C145, C146, C147, C148, C149, C150, C151, C152, C153, C154, C155, C156, C157, C158, C159, C160, C165
12  100pF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C36, C37, C38, C39, C40, C41, C56, C57, C58, C100, C101, C102
2   100uF      C-7243-T   7243       C18, C20
3   10R        R-MELF@3   0204       R27, R50, R51
1   10UH       10UH       L-10UH     L24
1   10k        G04R       SIL5       RN2
11  10k        R-MELF@3   0204       R30, R33, R34, R42, R43, R52, R53, R56, R64, R128, R129
1   10nF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C98
2   10uF       C-1812-K   1812       C83, C86
5   10uF       C-7243-T   7243       C55, C77, C89, C104, C105
1   10uH       10UH       L-10UH     L26
1   150R       R-MELF@3   0204       R29
1   180R       R-MELF@3   0204       R106
4   1K         R-MELF@3   0204       R21, R22, R28, R38
1   1M         R-MELF@3   0204       R65
1   1R         R-MELF@3   0204       R24
1   1k         G04R       SIL5       RN3
1   1k         G08R@4     SIL9@4     RN9
12  1k         R-MELF@3   0204       R31, R35, R44, R48, R49, R60, R61, R66, R110, R111, R118, R123
1   1k         TRIM-G     R-POT-G    R26
2   1nF        C-1206-K@5 1206       C48, C49
2   1uF        C-1206-K@5 1206       C44, C47
1   20pF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C79
4   220uF      C-7243-T   7243       C42, C43, C45, C46
6   22R        R-MELF@3   0204       R1, R2, R3, R68, R69, R70
1   22k        R-MELF@3   0204       R62
2   22uF       C-7243-T   7243       C94, C95
1   27C256     27C256@2   DIP28-6@2  IC34
1   27C400     27C400     DIP40-6    IC12
1   27C4096    27C4096    DIP40-6    IC13
1   29F800     29F800     TSOP48     IC60
1   2K2        R-MELF@3   0204       R107
1   2N3906     2N3906     MPF102     T3
1   2k21       R-MELF@3   0204       R115
1   2k7        R-MELF@3   0204       R54
2   3,9nF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C82, C87
1   32kHz      Q-HC49     Q-UHR      Q1
1   330R       R-MELF@3   0204       R55
1   332R       R-MELF@3   0204       R121
17  33R        R-MELF@3   0204       R6, R12, R14, R17, R19, R83, R84, R85, R86, R87, R88, R89, R90, R91, R92, R93, R94
3   33R2       R-MELF@3   0204       R116, R117, R122
4   390R       R-MELF@3   0204       R37, R40, R45, R46
1   39pF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C51
1   3K32       R-MELF@3   0204       R36
1   4,7uF      C-3528-T   3528       C164
1   470R       G08R@5     SIL9@5     RN14
2   470R       R-MELF@3   0204       R39, R82
2   470k       R-MELF@3   0204       R41, R47
1   47K5       R-MELF@3   0204       R25
8   47R        R-MELF@3   0204       R95, R96, R97, R98, R99, R100, R101, R102
4   47nF       C-1206-K@5 1206       C90, C91, C92, C93
12  47uF       C-7243-T   7243       C1, C2, C19, C74, C76, C113, C114, C124, C129, C161, C162, C163
5   48 OHM/6A  L-1206     1206       L90, L100, L101, L102, L103
3   4K7        R-MELF@3   0204       R103, R104, R105
2   4k7        G04R       SIL5       RN10, RN13
1   4k7        G08R@4     SIL9@4     RN12
3   4k7        G08R@5     SIL9@5     RN1, RN15, RN16
23  4k7        R-MELF@3   0204       R5, R67, R76, R77, R78, R79, R80, R81, R108, R109, R112, R113, R114, R119, R120, R124, R125, R126, R127, R130, R131, R132, R134
1   5-40pF     C-TRIM@3   C-TRIM-1   C80
4   514400     514400     SOJ26/20   IC7, IC8, IC9, IC10
1   5M6        R-MELF@3   0204       R32
2   6,8nF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C81, C85
1   680R       R-MELF@3   0204       R57
1   68R        E4R@2      SIL8@2     RN4
14  68R        R-MELF@3   0204       R4, R7, R8, R9, R10, R11, R13, R15, R16, R18, R20, R71, R72, R73
1   7,5pF      C-1206-K@5 1206       C75
1   7406       7406@2     DIP14      IC47
1   7407       7407@2     DIP14      IC49
1   74AC08     7408       SO14       IC80
1   74AC74     7474       SO14       IC78
1   74F04      7404@2     DIP14      IC51
1   74F163     74160      DIP16      IC29
2   74F245     74245      SO20L      IC58, IC59
1   74F521     74520@2    DIP20      IC16
1   74F74      7474       DIP14      IC30
1   74HC04     7414       DIP14      IC28
1   74HC05     7404@2     DIP14      IC79
1   74HC157    74157@2    DIP16      IC22
2   74HC245    74245@2    DIP20      IC23, IC24
1   74HC32     7432@2     DIP14      IC46
4   74HC541    74541@2    DIP20      IC3, IC4, IC5, IC6
2   74HC573    74573@2    DIP20      IC1, IC2
3   74LS245    74245@2    DIP20      IC17, IC35, IC36
1   74LS373    74373@2    DIP20      IC15
1   825k       R-MELF@3   0204       R133
1   90R9       R-MELF@3   0204       R23
1   AGNU8375   AGNU8375   PLCC84     IC52
1   AMBER      AMBER@3    PLCC68     IC20
3   BAS32L     D-BAS32L   SOD-80     D1, D2, D3
2   CIA_8520   CIA_8520   DIP40-6    IC40, IC43
1   COMP       CINCH-B    CINCH-B    X6
16  CY7C1049   CY7C1049   SOJ36/4    IC62, IC63, IC64, IC65, IC66, IC67, IC68, IC69, IC70, IC71, IC72, IC73, IC74, IC75, IC76, IC77
1   DENISE     DENISE     DIP48-6    IC26
1   DIN-8      DIN-8      DIN-8      X5
1   DISK       F23H_FC@2  F23H_FC@2  X14
1   DISK_INT   ML34       ML34       SV1
1   DS1488     DS1488     DIP14      IC44
1   DS1489     DS1489     DIP14      IC45
1   EXPANSION  SLOT-86    LKOT-43    X20
86  FB         L-1206     1206       L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6, L7, L8, L9, L10, L11, L12, L13, L14, L15, L16, L17, L18, L19, L20, L21, L22, L23, L25, L27, L28, L29, L30, L31, L32, L33, L37, L44, L45, L46, L47, L48, L49, L50, L51, L52, L53, L54, L55, L56, L57, L58, L59, L60, L61, L62, L63, L64, L65, L66, L67, L68, L69, L70, L71, L72, L73, L74, L75, L76, L77, L78, L79, L80, L81, L82, L83, L84, L85, L86, L87, L88, L89, L91, L92, L94, L95, L96, L97, L98, L99
10  FB         L-1206@2   1206       L34, L35, L36, L38, L39, L40, L41, L42, L43, L93
1   FRONT      SLOT-86    LKOT-43    X19
3   GAL16V8-15 GAL16V8    DIP20@2    IC14, IC18, IC33
3   GAL16V8-25 GAL16V8    DIP20@2    IC19, IC31, IC32
4   GAL20V8-15 GAL20V8    DIP24-3    IC53, IC54, IC55, IC56
1   GARY       GARY       DIP48-6    IC50
1   Game       M09H_FC@2  M09H_FC@2  X2
1   J1         SL3-1      SL3-1      X4
1   J2         SL3-1      SL3-1      X16
1   JUM-BR     JUM-BR     JUMPER     S1
5   JUM-BR     JUM-BR@2   BRUECK-S   S2, S3, S7, S5, S6
1   KEYBOARD   RJ10       RJ10       X15
1   L-1206     L-1206@2   1206       L104
1   LEFT       CINCH-B    CINCH-B    X10
1   LI-3V6     LI-3V6     LI-3V6     BAT1
1   LM339      LM339      DIP14      IC48
1   LSI1024    LSI1024@5  PLCC68@4   IC57
1   MC68030RC  MC68030RC  PGA-128    IC37
1   MC68881RC  MC68881RC  PGA-68     IC38
1   ML10       ML10       ML10       SV4
1   ML14       ML14       ML14       SV3
1   ML40       ML40       ML40       SV2
1   MOL-2      MOL-2      MOL-2      X26
2   MOL-4      MOL-4      MOL-4      X23, X24
2   MPF102     MPF102     MPF102     T1, T2
3   MSM514221  MSM514221  DIP16      U470, U471, U472
1   MSM6242    MSM6242    DIP18      IC39
1   Mouse      M09H_FC@2  M09H_FC@2  X1
1   NE564      NE564      DIP16      IC27
1   PAULA      PAULA      DIP48-6    IC41
1   PLED       MOL-2      MOL-2      X13
1   PRINTER    M25H_FC@2  M25H_FC@2  X11
1   PSG-7      PSG-7      PSG-7      X22
2   QUARZ      QUARZ@2    Q-DIL14    IC11, IC61
2   R-MELF     R-MELF@3   0204       R135, R136
1   RGB        M23H_FC@2  M23H_FC@2  X3
1   RIGHT      CINCH-B    CINCH-B    X9
1   ROM        SL3-1@2    SL3-1      X21
1   RS232      F25H_FC@2  F25H_FC@2  X12
1   SL22-2-2   SL22-2-2   SL22-2-2   X25
1   SL3-1      SL3-1      SL3-1      X7
1   SL3-1      SL3-1@2    SL3-1      X8
2   SMD-BR     SMD-BR     BRUECKE    S4, S8
1   TL084      TL084      DIP14      IC42
4   UPD42101   UPD42101   DIP24-3    U473, U474, U475, U479
2   VIDEO_H    VIDEO_H    SIP22      IC21, IC25
1   ZORRO-II   SLOT-100@2 SLOT-100@2 X18
1   n.b.       G04R       SIL5       RN5
2   n.b.       R-MELF@3   0204       R137, R138


Do you mind joining eab if you arn't already a member and visiting this thread:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67619 and posting that list perhaps?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 30, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
The GBA1000 manual has a complete parts list with part numbers and prices to order from vendor Electron. Although it is 4 years old now.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 30, 2013, 08:35:11 PM
Upped as CSV

http://mega-tokyo.com/A1000_Board_04.csv
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 30, 2013, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: Firedawg;724671
Hey Plaz,

Hope all is well.  Is the manual you have the translated from German version by Kristian Karlshøj, and youself?  If so, great!  I'm working on updating my BOM from the GBA1000 2008' board to this current version 4, which is not much other than getting the pricing from Digi-Key and Mouser.  Will provide it to the group when completed.

-Mike


Cool, I won't bother digging out my old BOM version then.  And yes this is the manual that was bulk translated by Kristian with the more obscure technical parts re-edited by me for clarity. And I'm doing pretty good over here. Just always way too busy. Hobby time spent more on old cars these days than computers.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: EDanaII on January 30, 2013, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: PJM;724714
Nice idea - but you couldn't have a motherboard with AGA and ECS support. Its one or the other. The OCS/ECS is possible with this board to some extent. Don't forget the chip packages are so different across some of the models.


OK, it's time for a stupid question: What about FPGA? I assume it's not possible or somebody would have suggested it by now... but I don't mind playing the fool and asking. :)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 30, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: EDanaII;724723
OK, it's time for a stupid question: What about FPGA? I assume it's not possible or somebody would have suggested it by now... but I don't mind playing the fool and asking. :)

If you want the FPGA route then your better off with the minimig, natami or fpga arcade. This board is about the real hardware :).
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: freqmax on January 30, 2013, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Plaz;724718
from vendor Electron.


Url?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: EDanaII on January 30, 2013, 11:22:52 PM
Quote from: PJM;724725
If you want the FPGA route then your better off with the minimig, natami or fpga arcade. This board is about the real hardware :).


Granted, but that wasn't the point of my question. Not that I expected my point to be obvious.

You were responding to freqmax's point about dead motherboards. And that's why I asked. Real hardware is getting scarce, that's the reality of the situation, and thus the reason for my question.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Plaz on January 30, 2013, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: freqmax;724728
Url?


Looking back through the manual, Georg references several different vendors. Elpro, Reichelt and Wurth among them, but no urls. I'd wait for Firedawg's updated digikey list.

Plaz
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on January 31, 2013, 12:54:45 AM
sweeeeeet. my new Amber, Super Denise (390433-02 version) and NE564 showed up today :) awesome.

Also found an ebay auction for what looks like is the card edge connector for the zorro II slot (100 pin as 2x50, 2.54mm pitch, 3A at 200C), proble is they are being sold as lots of 10 only (price is good, 60$ for 10) here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pc-Industrial-Card-Edge-Slot-Connector-50Px2-100P-2-54mm-0-1-3A-200-EDAC-/130827403269?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e75ebc005)

checking mouser, they have something that might work but it has lugs on the end (easy to trim off), but $14 a pop!
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: ozkano on January 31, 2013, 05:17:38 AM
1 pcb for me
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: RocketRodent on January 31, 2013, 05:21:11 AM
Yes yes yes. Please put me down for a PCB as well.  I've got a few sets of custom chips to make this work.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: RocketRodent on January 31, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
Oh.. Are there any plans to kinda merge the component order I see going down on eab.abime.net?  I see a group order forming there for the CPU's and sockets.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on January 31, 2013, 08:02:20 AM
Quote from: RocketRodent;724755
Oh.. Are there any plans to kinda merge the component order I see going down on eab.abime.net?  I see a group order forming there for the CPU's and sockets.


For the larger more expensive components yes. The easier to get bits there's little point but we'll see what develops.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: yakumo9275 on February 01, 2013, 01:10:54 AM
oooh.. this is a nice excuse to get a hot air gun.. line of solder paste and some warm air.. instant TSOP soldering :) Sweeeet.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on February 04, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
First post updated with a pre order by the Feb 24th and pay by the 3rd of March.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: amiman99 on February 04, 2013, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: PJM;725338
First post updated with a pre order by the Feb 24th and pay by the 3rd of March.
Pre-order is payed to kipper, is that correct?
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: billt on February 04, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;724741
sweeeeeet. my new Amber, Super Denise (390433-02 version) and NE564 showed up today :) awesome.

Also found an ebay auction for what looks like is the card edge connector for the zorro II slot (100 pin as 2x50, 2.54mm pitch, 3A at 200C), proble is they are being sold as lots of 10 only (price is good, 60$ for 10) here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pc-Industrial-Card-Edge-Slot-Connector-50Px2-100P-2-54mm-0-1-3A-200-EDAC-/130827403269?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e75ebc005)

checking mouser, they have something that might work but it has lugs on the end (easy to trim off), but $14 a pop!


Jameco for the win, US$0.49
http://www.jameco.com/1/1/43035-ec50b100tpc-conn-edgecard-50-100-position-black-tin-card-edge.html
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on February 05, 2013, 07:19:27 AM
Quote from: amiman99;725363
Pre-order is payed to kipper, is that correct?


Yes he got a good quote on the pcbs. When he's ready to take the money ill post details.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on March 02, 2013, 07:17:37 PM
Update * Now everyone has seen the shipping options payment will be taken from March 3rd through to the 11th. You will pay $46 Canadian per board to kipper2k via paypal gift or plus $2 for standard protected whose address will be supplied. After the 11th of March no further pre orders will be available.

Paypal address will be supplied by the 3rd of March. When you do so, in the paypal info you need to include the username, site you ordered from and your delivery address. Payment for shipping will be taken once the boards have arrived and you have decided how you want it shipped.*
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on March 03, 2013, 10:07:44 PM
You can now pay! Wooohoo!

To pay send Canadian $46 per board to kipper2k (insert the at @ sign around about here) mts.net with the above info.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: desantii on March 05, 2013, 02:40:00 AM
Interested in 1 if I still can place an order
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on March 05, 2013, 08:41:49 AM
You can indeed - Send payment with user name and forum ordered from (i.e Amiga.org) and post here that you have.
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: Jeff on March 05, 2013, 02:58:30 PM
Payment to kipper sent for (2).

Thank You,
Jeff
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: klx300r on March 05, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
@PJM

my payments in to kipper for the MB!
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: amiman99 on March 05, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
Payment sent to Kipper!
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 05, 2013, 10:53:11 PM
One payment sent for one board!
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: desantii on March 07, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
Money sent
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: desantii on March 11, 2013, 12:11:50 AM
Can I pay to have the TSOP components soldered to mine? no hurry so can wait

thanks
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: pwermonger on March 12, 2013, 04:59:40 AM
Just noticed the update and that money was being collected, Sent the money hope it is still close enough to on time (though about 58 moniutes past 3/11)
Title: Re: GBA1000 Order
Post by: PJM on March 13, 2013, 10:59:08 AM
No problem - today is the last day now :).