New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"

[Iggy]

Yes, that's it.

No matter what forum its is discussed on this will distill (eventually) to two opinions.
One, "not good, we may be shooting ourselves in the foot here", and...
Two, "we need to wait and see"..
If your in the second camp, good for you!
You are more of an optimist than I am.

But since I have the option of running my OS of choice on a larger array of  hardware than OS4 users, I think I can be more discerning.

One, I can pay for an X5000, and spend more, but get decent hardware, or...
Two, I can wait for PCI-e G5 support when I will have have good hardware at a better price.

Thanks to my friends, I have this choice.

[itix]

Even as a dedicated software emulation core?

The first core can't proceed until FPU instruction emulation is completed. Thus emulating FPU on 2nd core would halt the first core.

[Spectre660]

Great endorsement .

Been expecting this one.
As for being "crippled", its got better specs than a SAM460.

[blakespot]

What's the latest on this situation? Is AmigaOS 4.1 running on this board right now? When will it be avail?


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[blakespot]

What is the estimated cost of the A1222. Is it cheaper than the SMA460? Prob not. Is the 460 ITX?

[Hammer]

Most of OS does not use FLOAT, but most of the programs that run on the OS that play sound and video use float, and most of this are ported from Linux, compiled with static linking.

I tell you right now, I'm not going to waste my time down grading software to support slow CPU's without FPU. Having to jump to math library, simple fmuls and fdivs, has overhead, jumps and branches have overhead, registers has to be put in stack, and restored, and return values has be set and so on, I think the math library idea from 90's was wacky idea to begin with. And is not a good direction to be going.

It's more likely be using more double floats in my programs, because its not good idea to mix and match int with float, because of overhead; a FPU while its integrated in CPU this days. Actually works as independent processor unit, there is no way to move a value from a CPU register into a FPU register without storing it on RAM, so makes more sense to write code for the FPU or write the code for CPU instructions. Do not do casting between float and int, or at least as little as possible.

With Doom3 PC vs MacPPC, I recall PowerPC has issues with register data movements between FPU and GPRs. PPC has to copy it back to main memory (cache). X86 CPUs can move register data between FPU, SSE and GPRs without hitting main memory.

[Everblue]

Any updates when the Tabor will be available yet? Seems it has gone off the radar.

[Iggy]

Any updates when the Tabor will be available yet? Seems it has gone off the radar.

I think they are focused on getting the dual core P5020 based version of the X5000 out the door right now.

If Tabor boards already exist, maybe Aeon ought to consider releasing it to the Linux market.

[yssing]

Yes some news about the current state would be great.

[F0LLETT]

Its being worked on. Thats all I can say at the moment.

[JimmiG]

From what I understand the board itself has been available to beta testers for at least 9 months. It's the AmigaOS port that's taking so long.

The slow pace of development really gives you second thoughts about investing into something like this. What about new drivers and updates down the road?

Still, if it ends up priced less than the Sam460CR and availability is good enough that you can actually buy one, then it might attract a few users. As a secondary system and a "gateway" to AmigaOS, absolute performance isn't critical. Price and availability will be more important.

[kamelito]

From what I understand the board itself has been available to beta testers for at least 9 months. It's the AmigaOS port that's taking so long.

The slow pace of development really gives you second thoughts about investing into something like this. What about new drivers and updates down the road?

Still, if it ends up priced less than the Sam460CR and availability is good enough that you can actually buy one, then it might attract a few users. As a secondary system and a "gateway" to AmigaOS, absolute performance isn't critical. Price and availability will be more important.

I would buy one if it's around the 500€ or less of course :hammer:

[Iggy]

I would buy one if it's around the 500€ or less of course :hammer:

 Sure, above that you might experience some buyer's remorse for not buying the more powerful X5000.
 
 And I wouldn't abuse AmigaKit over availability.
 They don't set the release date, and obviously Aeon doesn't want this released without OS4 support.
 
 So it all comes down to waiting for Hyperion.
 And the community ought to be accustomed to waiting on Hyperion by now.

[JimmiG]

I would buy one if it's around the 500€ or less of course :hammer:

That's the sweet spot I think for the board+CPU. I mean that's still expensive for something that is about as powerful as the €30 Raspberry Pi 3, but understandable given the small scale production and specialized hardware. €300 would be better, but that's probably unreasonable to expect.

Not really slamming anyone in particular over the lack of availability, just somewhat frustrated. I got interested in buying an AmigaOne maybe 2 years ago, and since then I havne't seen one available for purchase anywhere. They're always listed as Unavailable or Out of Stock.

[utri007]

Hve you seen this :

https://www.facebook.com/domagoj.ozanic.7/videos/490409714498579/

Guy with Tabor running Quake Dark Places 4x same time

[OlafS3]

Hve you seen this :

https://www.facebook.com/domagoj.ozanic.7/videos/490409714498579/

Guy with Tabor running Quake Dark Places 4x same time

Linux...

it does not prove how useable it is when installing AmigaOS