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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2008, 07:07:46 PM »
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kreciu wrote:
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Can you please help me to get about 30 registered legal keyfiles?
I will pay using paypal, give to you all the data needed from the users and you will send me the keyfiles? Is this possible? Or not?


Exactly, why you need a "distributor" for your own keys? Why pay someone for sending keys?

I REALLY don't understand that.

Kreciu


What do you not understand? I have my own amigaforum and it is one of the biggest in germany. Many users in my forum complain and complain about the IBrowse situation and now I try to help them. I care for my users. ;)

And if the Ibrowse team is so busy, 1 contact person for this deal should be enough.
 
 


Wait I made a mistake (it's an English think!).

I understand YOU who want to buy a KEY from author of IBrowse!

I don't understand why author of IBrowse needs some "distributor" for his own keys?

ufff... I cited before your post but the questions are for the author of IBrowse... I just noticed that that...

Now should be better  :-D
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2008, 07:17:39 PM »
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TjLaZer wrote:
No need to mess with cracking iBrowse!  Just get a bootleg ibrowse keyfile!  I own the original iBrowse 2.1 and could not upgrade but I am fine with using a bootleg keyfile that I found with Google.


I think it would be better as cracked :) Crack won't hurt sales of future versions, but using "bootleg" keyfile will (it's easy to forgot you haven't bought it if it works still).


I beg to differ with you  pVC .........

I don't know about TJLazer's situation but I suspect its
about the same as mine.

'I AM' a legal holder of a IB 2.xx keyfile. I bought IB
back in around 95 or 96 and upgraded to 2.3. IIRC the
upgrade was at a discount price for IB 1.xx owners.

I have been 'UNABLE' to get my keyfile to work on IB 2.4.

And 'I AM A LEGAL HOLDER' of the file.
I don't know what the problem is, but I'm not seeing any
help from the authors in solving it.

Given my situation, I would also use a BootLeg file too.
(if I had one)

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2008, 08:32:58 PM »
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Though your points might be right I would suggest you all use a friendlier tone. Maybe mails starting with appreciation for what has been done so far, or expressing the strong wish to purchase the software without using harsh words have a better chance of beeing answered.

I do not feel your comments are justified here to tell me or anyone else off as I do not think there is anyone who has so far made a comment about the IBrowse topic that has demanded anything from the IBrowse team that should not already have been put in place. The IBrowse team have just allowed current development, and support for their current product to gather cobwebs on the WEB, as a result of which they have lost the momentum, and failed to offer a reasonable amount of up to date information about their intended/current COMMERCIAL product, with NO COMMERCIAL PARTNER there to answer the demand for keyfiles. They have not kept the information available, in a reasonable way, of where IB3 might be up to, for all to be aware, and not have to ask these roundabout questions about it's future.

I for one, am particularly grateful to Oliver Roberts {futaura} for ALL his work on IBrowse, and on his work on Warp Datatypes (which I am a registered keyfile holder of), & that also includes all the other developers who have assisted in the release of all the IB2.x versions that we have enjoyed so far. The 2.4 version of course being the BEST SO FAR.

Which now side-tracks & reminds me . . . . why is Oliver Roberts NOT be the keyfile authoriser/distributor?

If he is magnanimous enough to volunteer to do it, for a small percentage of the keyfile fee, if OK'd by Stefan, to distribute/sell the IB keyfiles, as he is surely up to the task of being able to do this. He supplies his own for his own products, and collects the fee for his own keyfile.

I cannot think of another person who I would put my FULL TRUST in than Oliver Roberts to do this at this moment.

He has a website all can access and knows how to collect the fees, this could all be done swiftly and quite simply, if Oliver & Stefan could agree between themslves that it is OK.

I feel sure we would all appreciate a direct reply about this from futaura (Oliver), 1. if it is possible/feasible, 2. Would Stefan be agreeable to it.

I would really like to hear from Stefan about what has held him up with sorting out a distributor for his copyrighted software, but having been disappointed so many times about not having a reply from him, I feel it is highly unlikely to happen.

He seems in some way to have distanced himself away from his own product, which he should be proud of, and of the users who are still waiting to thank him for it, but he never seems to be listening for the praise or wanting to acknowledge his users, which is a REAL SHAME.

I use Firefox on the PC, and liken it to IBrowse, or should I say that the other way around as I use IBrowse a lot more than I do Firefox, and avoid using IE wherever & whenever I can. I really like using IBrowse, and just recently worked out that adding extra user defined buttons on the navigation keyline gave me as additional 5 extra HOTKEYS/FASTLINKS for regularly used sites, which I have been able to add logos to so I know they relate to Amiga sites or other sites I want to lookup quickly & regularly.

There must be lots of other features still hidden in the program that I have not as yet tapped into, but there is so much that it does with the limitations of the CPU speed we have at our disposal, and considering that compared to the Windows environment IBrowse is head & shoulders better for what it is capabale of doing.

I will be here until there is no more IBrowse Amiga that works on the web. I am a dedicated IBrowse user, and PROUD to be so.

Now get on with IB keyfile distribution, and IB3.x development, as quickly as you can. Make us PROUD.
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2008, 09:15:59 PM »
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I bought iBrowse from ebay and the seller could not find the 2.1 keyfile, all I have is the older disks and a paper saying I can upgrade to 2.1, but the site is down.  I am not trying to BS anyone, I am entitled to version 2.4 and I now have it. I sleep well at night thank you.


Then I humbly apologise.
When you said that you bought IB2.1 I had assumed you meant from IOspirit, hence my misunderstanding.
I sometimes jump to the wrong conclusion, as in this case.
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2008, 09:46:31 PM »
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Really truely you have to cut Amiga developers a fair amount of slack.  A highly successful Amiga product will sell what, a few hundred copies?


Do you read the whole thread? They could sell many copies more, but it seems they do not want. About 30 keys only in my forum, I think there are many other users that would buy IBrowse 2.4, but it is no more avaible! :-(

Only maybe 2 hours or less for making some keys, that are 750€ per hour...

Lovely IBrowse Team, please contact me, thank you!

 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2008, 10:07:56 PM »
This situation is unique and bizarre.
If someone was offering me handfuls of cash for a product in the state that it is in currently, then I don't understand the reasoning behind not accepting it.

Everyone is busy but if it takes over a year to get your business in order, then you obviously either don't want or possibly even need the cash.

A year to release Keyfiles is more than enough time, and a developer who is so blase about their own product would have no one to blame but themselves if potential customers resort to piracy to get full functionality.

Incidentaly, it seems strange that the customer - vendor relationship here has been reversed. There are customers practically begging to pay for a product and an owner who won't let them.

It may be their right to do with what they want with their own software but it kind of smacks of a power trip to be perpetually saying 'you can have it, but not just yet (and we're not going to tell you when either)'.

The main thing is to be appreciative and support the guys who are still actively working and supporting the products we want and are using, if they're not doing that, then maybe its time they (and we) moved on to other things.

One of the most interesting things here is that it was mentioned earlier that the iBrowse team 'may' only sell a few hundred copies of their software worldwide.

A conservative estimate could be about 150-200 users 'worldwide' who would pay the asking 50 euros. (It is old software, so maybe discounting it to 20 euros is realistic and may generate more sales).
That still means earning 3000-4000 euros for setting up a method of payment and distribution of keyfiles for software already in existence.

I don't know about you but that sounds feasible and possible, and not a pile of cash to be sneezed at.
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2008, 12:59:27 AM »
@melott

If you started with IBrowse 1.x, then you need 2 key files for v2.4 to work. IBrowse1Key & IBrowse2Key, first is the IB 1.x key, second is the IB 2.x key.

I know an IB beta tester & a lot of progress is being made on it, just hope we have another 2.x update before 3.0.

Other then that, the situation sucks.
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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2008, 10:20:27 AM »
It is a shame, until now no feedback again...

 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2008, 10:55:04 AM »
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Which now side-tracks & reminds me . . . . why is Oliver Roberts NOT be the keyfile authoriser/distributor?

If he is magnanimous enough to volunteer to do it, for a small percentage of the keyfile fee, if OK'd by Stefan, to distribute/sell the IB keyfiles, as he is surely up to the task of being able to do this. He supplies his own for his own products, and collects the fee for his own keyfile.

I cannot think of another person who I would put my FULL TRUST in than Oliver Roberts to do this at this moment.

Nice of you to say so, but the conclusion we all came to was that as long as there are reputable distributors out there who want to sell IBrowse for us, we're happy to let them do that.  Why?  Well, one reason is time - we'd rather spend what time we have developing, and not having to deal with handling sales, sales tax issues, etc, etc.  We don't see any problem paying a distributor to handle all this for us, and then we can concentrate on coding.  There are of course many other things a distributor can offer, such as support, CD-ROM versions (yes, some users still want this), publicity, etc, etc, and all those aspects need to be considered.  If the worst comes to the worst, I'd be happy to handle the purchases myself, but not while there are better offers out there.  It's also important to support the remaining Amiga shops out there - there aren't many left.

Regarding the WarpDTs, registrations for those are relatively low volume, and once payment is received I do everything else manually - takes a bit extra time, but automating the whole process would take even longer to setup in the first place.

And going back to my F1GP-Ed days, yes I handled all that myself too, and that was a relatively time consuming task considering everything was done manually back then and involved sending out floppy disks.  That was a high volume product compared to the WarpDTs, and I suspect IBrowse is even higher, so I know enough to realize that I'd rather pay somebody else to do that task for me now (I'm a lot older now :-D).

I'm not saying any more on this matter - all I can say is that I have been in discussions with a particular distributor for some time, and I can only apologize if e-mails from other distributors have been ignored (I know some did get caught in spam filters).  From memory, I guess we received e-mails from about 5 potential distributors - I think we did reply to all of them and/or forwarded them to Stefan.  However, I guess we're trying to keep all options open until a definite deal is done via Stefan, which is why those interested might not have received a simple yes/no answer.  I know this matter should have been sorted out a lot sooner, but this is beyond my control.
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2008, 11:44:57 AM »
hm, sorry, but i write many emails that we can publish IBrowse.

Its really to many work to write a simple email like "mail coming in, we answer later..." ?

Now 1 (!) year IBrowse are not available for the users. What think you how long the Users wait before there search the Keyfile on other places?

Its really to many work to search a new publisher for IBrwose in 12 months?

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2008, 11:56:57 AM »
@Futaura

Rather then spending your precious time writing post in this topic you already could have registered the 30 copies for our forum and earned 1500 freaking Euros...

That would be, as apex already stated around 750 Euros per hour.

But I do get the impression that earning money isnt what you like to do with you project.

Anyway. I'll be looking for a cracker, or maybe I should write a keygen. Hmm, or I'll just google for 5 secs and use a pirated key. Seems to me that this is what you want the users to do.

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2008, 12:13:22 PM »
@fautura
You will say no more to this topic? But you will help me to get about 30 keys for my community, or not?
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2008, 12:14:35 PM »
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Hmm, or I'll just google for 5 secs and use a pirated key. Seems to me that this is what you want the users to do.


There is already a cracked key avaible? Can I buy this one?  :-D  :-D  :-D
 

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2008, 12:40:28 PM »
I fully understand the inpatience here, but hey its the Amiga and its no longer the top dog so letts all take a bit of a breath here.

Its no good moaning about this at least there is some one out there who is doing something with IBrowse, yes, yes yes I know it takes time but at least it may well be worth it in the end.

So moaning about it just will not help.

AWeb 3.5.09 is better than nothing for now at least it's not time limited, this is now making me want to say some people want every thing straight away.

But it dont work that way does it.

Let's all hang on and have a bit of faith here.

Tell you what if you cant wait then do it your self if you can not then wait. its as simple as that.

Yes a keycrack is an idea or some sort of legal key from them.  BUT is it realy the way to go?

Would we be cutting out own throats by doing that just because we want it NOW.

I some how do not think so.

And to be honest AWeb 3.5.09 is far better than nothing, its not as bad realy.  At least it gets you on the Internet.

Lets all think about this...........


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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2008, 12:45:44 PM »
Oh come on! Stop this {bleep} like: "its the amiga, and amigans are used to waiting." Thats a really really layy excuse for being freaking slow and lazy.

I am sick and tired of waiting. If they dont care, fine, then we atleast know that we can invest our money in other things than ibrowse.

I mean look at OWB. Joerg is doing all the work nearly alone, but he is shwoing more progress than Ibrowse did in the last 4 years.

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Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #59 from previous page: April 11, 2008, 12:55:46 PM »
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swift240 wrote:
I fully understand the inpatience here, but hey its the Amiga and its no longer the top dog so letts all take a bit of a breath here.


Impatient? Sorry, but I waited now 1 year!!!!!!!!!! How long have I to wait because it is amiga? 2, 3 years???

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Yes a keycrack is an idea or some sort of legal key from them.  BUT is it realy the way to go?


Seems so, they are not interested in selling about 30 legal keyfiles to my amiga users. They are not interested to earn 1500 Euros. They are not answering emails.

Regarding the 3.0 development: When will it be ready, in 2016? The users want NOW a fully working 2.4 version and if the IBrowse team is not interested in selling legal keys, they may have to live with a cracked version or a keygen.

This really a unique situation! I think this is the first time in history that people are asking for a legal version BEFORE cracking it.  :-D  :-D  :-D