Loosing faith in the Amiga "community", like so many before me

[DaveP]

In a less extreme way I kind of agree with Neko here because someone did a good thing with the FAQ and you just tried to rip it apart labelling it biased and containing opinion and misinformation which so far you have been unable to substantiate.

I do not know if English is your first language but I think you have to question how you are translating or interpreting sentences and indeed I question whether you have read the FAQ in full at all.

Sure I think Thendic are a bunch of amateurs too and I do not like their tactics or the way that have conducted themselves on public fora in the past either ( or via email for that matter ) but they have heard what has been said to them and they have quit the political mill for the most part and are playing it straight now ( as far as I can see ).

Until anything is proven in court you have to treat the Amiga Inc version of the truth with the same blunt scepticism you treat the Thendic/BPlan/MorphOS version of the truth - e.g. accept that it may be misinformation. But you don't.

However I do NOT want to see you leave the Amiga community, just take a few weeks off, take a chill pill and come back.

I thought the OSNews article was good but the legality issue as being something that did not need dragging up again but you as writer judged that it should.

On the other hand the amount of flack you got from Thendic and others probably was just as much flack that you gave Digby on ANN over the FUDBUSTER and you expected him/her to take it on the chin - so why not you?

So chill, don't contribute to the brain drain from the Amiga "community" just yet and accept that maybe you are just a little too close to see it straight at the moment.

If you dont like what Im saying Ill freely meet up with you and give you first punch on the jaw if it makes you feel better.

[DaveP]

@mips

Sounds a bit like you fancy Matt to me. ;-)

[DaveP]

@Bjorn

Now that I can agree with entirely.

[DaveP]

mips,

whats your handle on ANN then?

[DaveP]

"Thendic-France wanted to have a biased Journalist to their advantage, nothing more and nothing less."

I wouldn't put it past them. Given that they have set a precendence perhaps you could take a few beers and post all the correspondance on here.

[DaveP]

"even a growing bias against me"

Careful you might get paranoid.

Who is biased against you?

[DaveP]

"And he accused me of stating that the MorphOS team has "stolen source tapes" and if I wouldn't change this bPlan and Thendic can "kick your ass about it" and that I am "in line for legal action"."

Well that kind of invective has come from Matt before so it does sound like him. I dont recall reading anywhere your article " MorphOS team has "stolen source tapes" "

"Several of my requests for confirmation from bPlan, Thendic-France and Ralph Schmidt resulted in absolutely no reply (While prior Thendic was far too eager to send multiple FUD emails with regard to other companies)."

Not a surprise either.

"This combined with the uncalled for FUD and misinforming emails from Thendic-France, with regard to other Amiga companies made me angry and dissappointed with the current state of the Amiga "community"."

Well you are angry at one part of it. I mean Thendic-France does not represent the Amiga community any more than Neko - they represent their own interests.

"Maybe, I have overreacted by leaving everyone behind, "

I agree I think you have. It sounds like, if your version is to believed that you are playing exactly into the hands of those that have pissed you off so.

"as there are still some good people left, as I can see from the emails I am receiving, but that's just the way I feel now about the "community"."

Forget the "community" it doesnt exist and never has done - its just a bunch of computing users with something quite small in common.

[DaveP]

Wise words from Jim there. This I take issue with:

". First rule of a journalist - don't give up"


No.

"Its get your copy done in time for last orders at the bar and damn the consequences."

But then I speak only from experience at the FT.

[DaveP]

Mike

I thought you were heading off to aachen to re-evaluate. You have even
said goodbye a couple of times.

People will start to wonder if you are just crying wolf if you keep this up.

Best wishes

Dave

[DaveP]

"DaveP don't make such a stupid remark please."

Wow how to win influence and befriend people by MikeB and
there was no need to be rude. But seeings you have set
the precendence:

Frankly you are coming across as a bit of a bleating mouthy
sanctimonious git ( welcome to the Amiga community ) just
about now.

I must have misread your three "goodbye" messages and misunderstood
the meaning of "goodbye" even though its definition in the
Oxford dictionary is pretty damn clear.

Perhaps you might want to repost yet a few more of your
duplicate messages on ANN and Amiga.org just to remind
us that you really have gone.

[DaveP]

Mike

Rude and inconsiderate? What should I have been considering?

I was attempting to give you friendly advice although perhaps it
would have been less embarrassing to you via an e-mail.

Not understanding the meaning of "Goodbye", really Mike!! it sounds
like you are trying weasel your way around the issue.

To me at least your multiple "goodbye"s, your cross posting to ANN
consistantly and your reaction to my advice has dented your
credibility yet further.

It seems to me there are like few people left in the Amiga community
I have any affinity with perhaps Bill Hoggett, Bobson, Coder, Wayne,
Redrumloa, Seehund and a very few more.

This "community" is officially a bloody shambles.

Dave.

[DaveP]

Mike

I really don't care if you are biased or not. I think it is ludicrous to
suggest that any one person can be unbiased. However
I do think documents can become less biased to the point
where the bias is imperceptable given sufficient input.

My problem was never that you or your article was not unbiased.

Dave.

[DaveP]

"So in all, it's you and me that give the few (in our opinion) 'rotten eggs' too much space. Focus on the serious, constructive people (and they ARE there, some of you have just learned not to see them) and stop going on about "the community is in shambles" like it's some god-given truth you (or I) cannot do something about."

That sounds suspiciously like sticking your head in the sand Jim

The user base is just constantly gnawing at each other at the moment
and sure, trying to correct it could even perpetuate it but ignoring
it is not going to make it go away either.

Yep, its a shambles - thats what a shambles means Jim it means
something that needs to be sorted out, tackled and turned around
but is in such a mess that you don't really know where to start or
what approach to use.

[DaveP]

This is why most sensible forums will accept they
have this problem and "mod down" the stupid comments until they are not seen.

Since when have you seen an "ignore the troll" policy work on USENET for example?

But I do not think this is even what Mike complains about in the community. I am paraphrasing but he does not like the fact that those perpetrating "illegal" activity are getting away with it and their "supporters" are "winning" the argument.

The reason I think the "community" is a shambles is not because of ANN per se but because it has no focus on what it is there for.