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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2004, 10:10:27 PM »
Reading through all of this, I really think everyone's missing the big point.  This is a list of the TOP TEN things that they were waiting on last year that didn't make it out the door.

Even listed as vaporware, I think it's a cool thing that Wired Magazine still thinks the Amiga's worth remembering as one of the TOP TEN things they were hoping to see.  It isn't as though they just called it vaporware, or they called Amiga Inc idiots or anything else.  

These days it's hard for any company to come out with a major technological advancement.  First, you have to have;

1) A great vision.
Something to actually strive for, and money isn't it.

2) Superior leadership and management skills
More difficult than it appears usually.

3) then talent
To put it all together.

4) last but certainly not least, money.  Lots and lots of money that you're willing to invest freely WITHOUT RESERVATION to make your vision a reality.  People have to be free to create without having to worry whether or not they can buy groceries or make the rent.

I'm of course over-simplifying, but ANY failure along ANY of those points, and you're dead in the water and you might as well not bother.  By "investing money", I don't mean buying foosball tables, an office big enough to play football in, and 100 computers for a total of 10 employees.

Wired's article may be a small slam, but at least they're still watching.  I just hope that Nate doesn't hang himself with all the free rope he's given.  :-)

{edit: for what it's worth, if you go by Wired's definition, OS4 may NEVER get off their list.  Their definition clearly states that a product has to be "shrinkwrapped and sold on the shelves" which -- at least as I understand it -- Hyperion never intend to do.  Now, if they want to list the new Amiga as vaporware, maybe that will be rectified some day.}

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2004, 10:31:00 PM »
My bad, Duke Nukem beat us out :(  We did get more votes then the RadioShark...

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2004, 10:39:36 PM »
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My bad, Duke Nukem beat us out :( We did get more votes then the RadioShark...


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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2004, 11:07:14 PM »
>Now, if they want to list the new Amiga as vaporware

No, they clearly state the hardware DID ship this year(as opposed to both hardware and OS on the list for 2002).
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2004, 11:15:42 PM »
Rogue: It needs a lot more than KennyR.s comment before I consider someone loon. :-)

Anyhow,  It's a big archievement and finishing it will earn you a lot respect. I have no idea, if it ever becomes commercially profitable project, but that does not diminish it's other values.


Wayne: a good point.. I Agree
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2004, 01:13:47 AM »
@starbird80

While I don't like the A1, same as I did not like the Teron when I messed with it way back when, can't deny that it arrived on the market.
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2004, 02:10:54 AM »
Not shipping, lot of times it was said it was shipping then, sounds 100% vapor. I think it is safe to say that they would not make the 2004 list. I mean, by then it has to be out.

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2004, 05:32:09 AM »
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Poster: lempkee Date: 2004/1/20 23:09:05

put it like this , morphos for powerup is vapor , its been promised for years now , and by that i mean one which doesnt require an os3.9 install! ..

oh and last i checked morphos was beta still, or are you guys saying it aint?


The last I checked this was off topic, or are you saying it isnt?
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2004, 03:32:30 PM »
@Coder

Let's be fair, it *could* still not have arrived by the end of 2004.  It *could* be a limited beta at that point.

Face it, developing an OS is not an easy task.  Add in the fact that none of the developers on OS4 have any OS experience, and the task is even more challenging.  4-5 years is fairly normal on OS development.
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2004, 10:20:55 PM »
>Why not state directly that we are a bunch of liars?

Why not check first what you told Ben Yoris what he
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2004, 11:50:02 PM »
Looks like some of you out there gave some feedback on the article.

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2004, 08:47:54 AM »
Please define "any OS experience". Do you have it? Did Laire have it?

Do you know exactly the people developing OS4?
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2004, 10:16:02 AM »
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Add in the fact that none of the developers on OS4 have any OS experience,


Operating Systems was one of the topics I studied at university.

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2004, 01:35:37 PM »
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Operating Systems was one of the topics I studied at university.
OTOH, games programming wasn't.


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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2004, 05:44:15 PM »
@Rogue

I stand corrected then.

Then would you agree or not that OS development is best measured in terms of years rather than months?
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 23, 2004, 01:03:18 AM »
Awesome list of vaporware products, my favourite being the RealPC emulator for Mac OSX - after Amiga OS4 ofcourse.

The amusing honesty from the new President of FWB that "not a single line of code" has been written, despite promises that the project was at beta stage was particularly funny.

Finally I love the comment here that AInc should let Wired News know that OS4 is a real product.

Assuming that it was in their interests to do so, and assuming that there is anyone left at AInc that could be bothered to respond to the article, how would you propose they go about proving OS4's existance?

A better solution would be to permanently remove themselves from the list (9th place two years running is a dubious distinction) by actually releasing products within a couple of years of the given release date.

BTW, I think a new animation would be appropriate for the AInc corporate website, maybe a tumbleweed blowing throw the empty desert to reflect the lack of anything substantial, or in fact the lack of any real people, being found at the mythical Amiga headquarters building.
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