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Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« on: January 20, 2004, 06:13:49 PM »
"Wired News has the 2003 Vaporware Awards available for your perusal. Winning the 9th place: Amiga OS 4.0 (Amiga)!"

 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 06:23:08 PM »
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Amiga Inc needs to let Wired know that it's a real product.


That will happen with the commercial release.
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 06:54:42 PM »
I wanted to play DNF! :-(
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 07:01:52 PM »
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Amiga Inc needs to let Wired know that it's a real product.


Do you mean that AInc should lie to Wired, or that AInc (?) should hurry up with the release of AOS4?

Vapourware, according to Wired:

"As in previous years, software in a never-ending, pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped."

Uh oh, if we should take that last bit literally, AOS4 will always be considered vapourware... ;)

"Likewise hardware. Prototypes may exist in some company's lab, but it's vaporware until it hits store shelves.

And remember, if it shipped -- even if it stank -- it's not vaporware."
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 07:21:11 PM »
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"Likewise hardware. Prototypes may exist in some company's lab, but it's vaporware until it hits store shelves.

And remember, if it shipped -- even if it stank -- it's not vaporware."


If PegII didn't ship last year I would call it vapourware as well. No
matter is it being produced, being tested or developed, it is vapour
until the product is shipping for us.
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 07:51:03 PM »
itix: It was close call woth Pegasos 2.. But they made it.

In generally, I don't understand why people are suddenly so concerned about OS4 being on that list.. Afterall, it ain't even much news because OS4 was on the same list allready a year ago...
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 07:55:48 PM »
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I don't understand why people are suddenly so concerned about OS4 being on that list..


And Amiga made the list during the Gateway fiasco IIRC.
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2004, 08:47:09 PM »
Perhaps Hyperion should develop MSDN style subscriptions for their WIP (Work in Progress) products....

Note that MS Windows Anvil(AMD64) beta did not make to the said vapour list since it was available as a MSDN release(a product line in it’s own right).
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2004, 08:57:29 PM »
I printed out a little thingy about OS 4, to put as decoration in my office, I like to add a bit of color with various computer related things of interest.

I note that the news item is 3 years old now.
OS 4 is vapor.  Like some vapor products, it may be released some day.  Then again, we may learn later the real truth.  As a matter of fact, just now I took down the decoration and threw it in the trash.  It's not pleasant to have it on my desk anymore.

its most definately not a real product, because you can't buy it.  maybe someday, but I don't know anyone who is waiting anymore...maybe some folks around here.
 

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2004, 09:08:30 PM »
It is taking a long time to build.  Even when the Developer CD ships it will still be in beta and still be vaporware.  I agree that when after it's strink wrapped and on a shelf will it be "offically" not vaporware.  However  think all those Amiga One owners will be happy campers soon enought :)  Us CSPPC owners are going to have to wait a bit longer.  

After reading the acticle I  think it's sad that of all the people to quote they picked Nate.  But I'm optimistic that it got such a great responce, beating out Duke Nukem Forever and all :)

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2004, 09:09:05 PM »
put it like this , morphos for powerup is vapor , its been promised for years now , and by that i mean one which doesnt require an os3.9 install! ..

oh and last i checked morphos was beta still, or are you guys saying it aint?
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2004, 09:25:37 PM »
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put it like this , morphos for powerup is vapor


I think you are right. There is 0.4 but it is beta and only demo (you
need a key to run it more than 2 hours). I used to be betatester but
that doesnt make it more real for you.

Hmmm.. could be funny if MorphOS (for PowerUp) was listed here with a
comment from Hyperion guys.:-D
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2004, 10:04:28 PM »
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Then again, we may learn later the real truth.


Why not state directly that we are a bunch of liars? At least it would spare you the hassle of trying to say something that sounds like a defence.
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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2004, 10:09:18 PM »
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In generally, I don't understand why people are suddenly so concerned about OS4 being on that list


Me neither. To be honest, I am not concerned at all about being on that list. I am concerned about the usual comments I read.. Mostly because the comments come from people that have declared a vested non-interest in OS 4 in the past but cry out loudest for not being out, instead of being happy that their chosen OS is available.  They rather prefer to p*** on the other people's guarden.

*That* is what I am concerned about.

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Re: Wired News: 2003 Vaporware Awards
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2004, 10:10:27 PM »
Reading through all of this, I really think everyone's missing the big point.  This is a list of the TOP TEN things that they were waiting on last year that didn't make it out the door.

Even listed as vaporware, I think it's a cool thing that Wired Magazine still thinks the Amiga's worth remembering as one of the TOP TEN things they were hoping to see.  It isn't as though they just called it vaporware, or they called Amiga Inc idiots or anything else.  

These days it's hard for any company to come out with a major technological advancement.  First, you have to have;

1) A great vision.
Something to actually strive for, and money isn't it.

2) Superior leadership and management skills
More difficult than it appears usually.

3) then talent
To put it all together.

4) last but certainly not least, money.  Lots and lots of money that you're willing to invest freely WITHOUT RESERVATION to make your vision a reality.  People have to be free to create without having to worry whether or not they can buy groceries or make the rent.

I'm of course over-simplifying, but ANY failure along ANY of those points, and you're dead in the water and you might as well not bother.  By "investing money", I don't mean buying foosball tables, an office big enough to play football in, and 100 computers for a total of 10 employees.

Wired's article may be a small slam, but at least they're still watching.  I just hope that Nate doesn't hang himself with all the free rope he's given.  :-)

{edit: for what it's worth, if you go by Wired's definition, OS4 may NEVER get off their list.  Their definition clearly states that a product has to be "shrinkwrapped and sold on the shelves" which -- at least as I understand it -- Hyperion never intend to do.  Now, if they want to list the new Amiga as vaporware, maybe that will be rectified some day.}

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