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Title: Shifting the Sands of the TradeMark...
Post by: bloodline on June 15, 2003, 10:31:11 PM
I don't believe it!!! He actually did it!!!

Good luck Bill :pint: :-)
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Word Mark AMIGA
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Word Mark AMIGA Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009 US 021 023 026 036 038 G and S-- computer software used to facilitate development of software applications that can run on multiple platforms and other electronic devices; operating system software for personal computers and other electronic devices Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 76096557 Filing Date July 11, 2000 Filed ITU FILED AS ITU Published for Opposition April 9, 2002 Owner (APPLICANT) Amiga, Inc CORPORATION WASHINGTON 34935 SE Douglas Street, Suite 210 Snoqualmie WASHINGTON 98065 Attorney of Record P Weston Musselman Prior Registrations 2319266;2369059 Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator DEAD Abandonment Date January 3, 2003 ; same as above; Same as above. FIRST USE: 20030103. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030103
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 78258059
Filing Date June 4, 2003
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Owner (APPLICANT) Buck, William Hamilton INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 5205 Redwing Drive Alexandia VIRGINIA 22312
Attorney of Record David Lieberman
Prior Registrations 2319266;2369059
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE  :-)

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Edited by Targhan: Title Change Only, per request
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: KennyR on June 15, 2003, 10:36:52 PM
:-o
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: uncharted on June 15, 2003, 10:37:39 PM
Is that the semi-serif logos and boingball as well?

Very interesting.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: odin on June 15, 2003, 10:37:47 PM
*yawn*

Dammit, I'm out of popcorn.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: KennyR on June 15, 2003, 10:39:05 PM
Well, just don't be surprised if you see certain products renamed to HyperionOS4, EyetechOne and Snoqualmie Computers Inc. ;-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: bloodline on June 15, 2003, 10:39:50 PM
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uncharted wrote:
Is that the semi-serif logos and boingball as well?

Very interesting.


Just the word "AMiGA" as far as I know...
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: bloodline on June 15, 2003, 10:41:56 PM
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KennyR wrote:
Well, just don't be surprised if you see certain products renamed to HyperionOS4, EyetechOne and Snoqualmie Computers Inc. ;-)


HAHAHA, you should work in marketing, those are pretty good names :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Terminills on June 15, 2003, 10:48:14 PM
if you read again it says applicant not registrant
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: bloodline on June 15, 2003, 10:49:20 PM
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Terminills wrote:
if you read again it says applicant not registrant


Which is why I wish him luck.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Terminills on June 15, 2003, 10:51:05 PM
haha he's dealing with the US govt.  No matter how  much luck as you wish him amiga inc has easily a year to prove that they rightfully own it.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: NyQuil on June 15, 2003, 10:53:45 PM
cool.. I think..
but, eh.. why?
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Terminills on June 15, 2003, 10:53:59 PM
What would be funny is if he did get it. He wouldn't be able to say "Powered by Amiga".  That seems to be still active.

 :edit:

I wonder when we willl we start hearing about the new amiga's  "Powered by MorphOS" hehe
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: on June 15, 2003, 10:58:22 PM
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Terminills wrote:
What would be funny is if he did get it. He wouldn't be able to say "Powered by Amiga".  That seems to be still active.


But he could release a pegasos with on-board video in an A1200 style case and call it an Amiga legally! :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: catohagen on June 15, 2003, 10:59:16 PM
whats to celebrate ? he's the saviour? of what ?

now that buck is a _applicant_ of the name AMIGA,
the marked will suddenly rise and Morphos will
suddenly sell in hundreds of thousands ? :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Terminills on June 15, 2003, 10:59:56 PM
@mdma

if you look through all the records ... so could alot of people.  typical of the US make everything more complex.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 15, 2003, 11:03:05 PM
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Terminills wrote:
if you read again it says applicant not registrant


Word Mark AMIGA
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: computer software used to facilitate development of software applications that can run on multiple platforms and other electronic devices; operating system software for personal computers and other electronic devices
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 76096557
Filing Date July 11, 2000
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Published for Opposition April 9, 2002
Owner (APPLICANT) Amiga, Inc. CORPORATION  WASHINGTON 34935 SE Douglas Street, Suite 210 Snoqualmie WASHINGTON 98065
Attorney of Record P. Weston Musselman
Prior Registrations 2319266;2369059
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Abandonment Date January 3, 2003
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: KennyR on June 15, 2003, 11:03:58 PM
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whats to celebrate ? he's the saviour? of what ?

now that buck is a _applicant_ of the name AMIGA,
the marked will suddenly rise and Morphos will
suddenly sell in hundreds of thousands ?


I think he means that AInc's oppression of the Amiga community and their forcing them to buy licenced, dongled hardware will be removed. This is what's holding Amiga back. At last the Amiga community can flourish again.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: catohagen on June 15, 2003, 11:04:54 PM
>But he could release a pegasos with on-board >video in an A1200 style case and call it an >Amiga legally!

what a1200 style case would hold that huge 60mm
tall cpu card ? :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: KennyR on June 15, 2003, 11:08:18 PM
So he's an applicant. What can possibly stop him from obtaining it? AInc put in a higher bid? :lol: Or even AInc launching an expensive legal challenge? They're selling their off their office equipment and can't pay their employees, for crying out loud!
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 15, 2003, 11:09:03 PM
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catohagen wrote:
>But he could release a pegasos with on-board >video in an A1200 style case and call it an >Amiga legally!

what a1200 style case would hold that huge 60mm
tall cpu card ? :-D


Everything has to be bent to fit in here (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=PegasosPPC_STB) anyway, so I guess it's possible! ;-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: catohagen on June 15, 2003, 11:11:24 PM
And what did Amiga Inc pay 5(?) million US dollar for ?
buck pays 300 and some dollar and now the Amiga community can flourish again ?

sounds to easy :-D


Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Terminills on June 15, 2003, 11:12:00 PM
@KennyR

All it takes is a disbute with a fairly well documented reason for why it shouldn't be accepted.


The USPTO may refuse to register your mark on numerous grounds. The most common are:

Likelihood of Confusion

The USPTO conducts a search for conflicting marks as part of the official examination of an application only after a trademark application is filed. In evaluating an application, the examining attorney conducts a search of USPTO records to determine whether there is a conflict between the mark in the application and a mark that is either registered or pending in the USPTO. The principal factors considered in reaching this decision are the similarity of the marks and the commercial relationship between the goods and services identified by the marks. To find a conflict, the marks do not have to be identical or the goods and services the same; instead, it is sufficient if the marks are similar and the goods and or services related. Similarity in sound, appearance, or meaning may be sufficient to support a finding of likelihood of confusion.

When a conflict exists between the applicant’s mark and a registered mark, the examining attorney will refuse registration of the applicant’s mark on the ground of likelihood of confusion. If a conflict exists between the applicant’s mark and a mark in an earlier-filed pending application, the examining attorney will notify the applicant of the potential conflict. The applicant’s mark will be refused on the ground of likelihood of confusion only if the earlier-filed application becomes registered.

Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Lando on June 15, 2003, 11:12:57 PM
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catohagen wrote:
whats to celebrate ? he's the saviour? of what ?



now that buck is a _applicant_ of the name AMIGA,

the marked will suddenly rise and Morphos will

suddenly sell in hundreds of thousands ? :-D


Certainly a possibility.
"The Name" means a lot to a lot of people.

I was chatting in irc last night, in a Mac channel.  I mentioned that MacOS X runs on new Amigas (referring to Pegasos and A1) under MOL.  They were all excited and wanted to know more so i told them to look at PegasosPPC.com and they said "This has nothing to do with Amiga, we're not interested, this is about something called Pegasos and MorphOS" and they wanted to know where hardware information was on Amiga.com (I couldnt find any).

Now, to all intents and purposes, Pegasos is an Amiga - at least as much (or more) of an Amiga than the A1 is.  But it doesn't have the name! Amiga is a name that people recognise, and it makes them feel safer buying into it.

Give it the name, and everybody's happy.  All the Amiga cheerleaders are happy because they've finally got a company worth cheering for, and all the Genesi people are happy because their profile is suddenly raised and sales increase.

PS. Submit and preview buttons don't do anything in Safari browser latest Beta :o(
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: catohagen on June 15, 2003, 11:14:30 PM
sorry, double post
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 15, 2003, 11:16:14 PM
Anyway, I wouldn't count on this too much if I were you.

But then again, -you never know! :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: KennyR on June 15, 2003, 11:17:35 PM
btw. I have to laugh at people criticising a 60mm CPU card on a board a third the size of an A1. :-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: catohagen on June 15, 2003, 11:22:21 PM
>btw. I have to laugh at people criticising a 60mm CPU card on a board a third the size of an A1.

:-D and i laugh at people thinking a 60mm tall
board would fit in an a1200 style case, but ofcource, everything is possible...:-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Salup on June 16, 2003, 12:14:22 AM
Not with that trademark. It is only for computer software.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Ferry on June 16, 2003, 01:14:50 AM
It's only an application, and the worst thing is that he knows he will not get the registration:

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/86498.shtml

If the mark were to be used in another kind of business, it would be possible to register it, but not for computer-related business. It would be confusing. Only the company who owns the trademark can register similar names, AFAIK.

Of course, I can be mistaken...

Ferrán.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: HMetal on June 16, 2003, 03:10:12 AM
More flip-flopping and games?

The key here is in Buck's recent postings are from an old e-mail dialog he posted, where he says "we will use the Amiga community as early adopters."  Key word -> USE.      Happy riding on the roller coaster.  I just hope you don't fall out. :-)

And two (or so) weeks ago it was "we are no longer interested in Amiga nor its trademarks." :roll:

What will it be next week?  Takeover of Microsoft?  :lol:

Wake me up when something interesting happens.

...Lemmings anyone?

Edit:  Amiga has first use.  All Amiga need do is challenge the application and it's dead and, AFAIK, this is already in progress.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: artman on June 16, 2003, 03:25:00 AM
OK, this is new to me.  Just who the heck is William H. Buck?  Never heard of the person.  An Amigan?  An opportunist?  Who or what?
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: CodeSmith on June 16, 2003, 03:39:04 AM
William Hamilton Buck is presumably the full name of the guy we all know as Bill Buck, aka bbrv.

William → Bill, drop the middle name (like 90% of people do) and there you go!  :-D

Why do parents bother to give their kids middle names anyway? no-one I've ever met uses them...
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: on June 16, 2003, 03:45:47 AM
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HMetal wrote:
The key here is in Buck's recent postings are from an old e-mail dialog he posted, where he says "we will use the Amiga community as early adopters."  Key word -> USE.

Ray?

When you stick your foot in your mouth, it's usually to the knee it seems.  

I would have thought you much too intelligent to accuse ANYONE of USING the community when that's ALL that Amiga Inc has done since it's inception...  You realize that, right?  As a matter of fact, Bill McEwen stated the same sentence to me in June of 2000 when he made me the job offer, so on this one, you've simply made yourself look more stupid than normal.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: meerschaum on June 16, 2003, 04:16:31 AM
yep A.inc's product AmigaDE in my opinon was the most blatent use of this community for totally unrelated products I've ever seen... AmigaDE has very little to do with AmigaOS let alone the commodore amiga line of computers... thats my opinon of it...and for amiga.inc voulenteers to claim otherwise is absurd...
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Targhan on June 16, 2003, 05:03:15 AM
Sorry for removing my own post.. but, it looked as if I had confused what HMetal was saying with something of a different topic.  If you saw, I apologize. :-)

Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Rodney on June 16, 2003, 05:06:43 AM
If i remember correctly, now hardware is called an Amiga. There is the AmigaOne. And there is OS4, together you coudl argue that this makes up an Amiga.

But according to the tradmark (i guess thats a description that the owner appends to it, therefor its able to be changed)  Amiga has nothing to do with hardware. Only software.

So really, AmigaOnes and OS4 isnt an Amiga, its an AmigaOne and AmigaOS4. Those tradmarks may still be active...
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Hammer on June 16, 2003, 05:13:19 AM
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Certainly a possibility.
"The Name" means a lot to a lot of people.

Refer to  'OS/2 Warp' vs 'Windows 95/NT' war as an example. People just look for “Designed for Windows” logo when purchasing Windows software.

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Now, to all intents and purposes, Pegasos is an Amiga - at least as much (or more) of an Amiga than the A1 is.

Except for the source code access.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: WarPiper on June 16, 2003, 07:05:01 AM
I say the hell with the AMIGA name becuase it has done nothing but turn people off for years, the average person now-a-days dont even know what and amiga is. My know-it-all A+ teacher didn't know what it is, I said AMIGA, he replied "Omica?" I said no, AMIGA, he said "Omega" then I had to spell it out A M I G A, he said "oh, never heard of it" then proceded to ask me about it, I started to describe it he had some interest, we were talking about me possibly bringing one in to class, untill I showed him a Picture of My A4000 with my 1200 and 500 sitting next to each other, he seen the name C= commodore A4000/040 and C= commodore A1200 and C= commodore A500 with the word emblazend on the case's AMIGA, "OOOH, ITS A COMODORE" comes from his mouth, he rememberd the C64 and 128d and knew of Commodore's death, and asked for the long story, AFTER HEARING ME DRONE ON AND ON ABOUT COMMODORE, ESCOM, VISCORP, GATEWAY, JIM COLLAS,  AND NOW AMIGA INC, HYPERION, AND EYETECH, I STARTED TO SEE HIS EYES KINDA CROSS AS IF HE WAS WATCHING THE ROOM SPIN, THEN HE LOST TOTAL INTEREST IN AMIGA EVERYTHING AND DID NOT EVEN WANT TO SEE THE A4000 SYSTEM THAT WE HAD DISCUSED ME BRINGING IN.

The name Amiga is Associated to commodore to the outside world that may still remember the Amiga, and thats not good because they dont want to waist their money on a system that nobody can seem to keep in business.  When people spend money, they like to know for sure what they are getting, and that seems to be an impossibility with AMIGA
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: WarPiper on June 16, 2003, 07:58:09 AM
ok just for the hell of it, here is something off topic

I just liked it and thought you guys might also

Moderated: Obsence, Remember this is a PG site.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: meerschaum on June 16, 2003, 08:11:33 AM
yep warface... pretty sad but very true about that... people hear commodore and they think of Pong, the early 80's and financial disaster with a dash of al hage mixed in to bring back the reagan years, it isnt exactly a good combo... amiga isnt a warm word to most people and I think the name itself is cursed.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: bbrv on June 16, 2003, 08:51:17 AM
...well that is interesting WarPiper.  I guess we can assume you are "regimental" in your kilt after that image...

About this thread...

1. WHB is the name my parents gave me.  "bbrv" is the user name associated with most of the email addresses that we have.  BB is Bill Buck; Raquel Velasco and I are partners, in work and life.  We are married.  She is the better half and set up the first account.

2. There are not any egomaniacs coming from the Genesi side of the fence.  Contrary, to what one might want to believe Raquel and I are online here and in other places to do a job.  Of course, we are motivated by a dream that we have about computers and the Internet, but that is another story.  :-)

3. Our statements publicly about the Amiga Community have been consistent since we reappeared back here in December 2000 at the Cologne Show.  We respect the talent here and saw in this Community an opportunity to build something new.  What we saw was that there was no direction and there was no support to speak off.  The Amiga Community was like a rudderless ship.  We saw an opportunity.  Initially, we tried to work with Amiga Inc., but this unfortunately did not work out.  Amiga Inc. has not even taken care of something so important as there own trademarks.  Sorry to sound harsh, but that omission is worse than incompetence, it is lunacy!  We may or may not have success with that, but it was worth a shot (for whatever reason -- for some people it is important).  In life the present and the future are a better focus than the past.  New things require creation and like a good cook we had to have some of this and that to get the plat du jour to come out in a good way.  We are still cooking and preparing our best recipes for the future.... It is a step by step process.  Strategy is about maintaining a consistent vision in spite of life's obstacles.  Success comes through sharing that vision with others and getting a large group of like-minded people cooperating together to achieve an objective.  It seems things are moving the right way... :-D

4. Wayne, if you can change the name of this thread I would appreciate it.  There are many great people working toward the improvement and success of the Pegasos and MorphOS.  We cannot name everyone, but people like Gerald, Thomas, Ralph and Frank are the real engine behind the inspiration here, then there is Sharwin and Rakesh, The Crossbee guys (Emmanuel and Bernard in particular), the WebDev Team (Damien, Nate, Dave), Phoenix (greenboy, Gary, Clash and now Emil), and, and , and....there is a whole team of Core Developers for MorphOS (visit #morphos you will find a bunch of them there 24 hours a day seven days a week -- Emmanuel, David, Harry, CISC, Jacek, and many others) and a group of motivated young people working from the office in Paris (Sebastien, Bertrand, Nicholas B., another Nicolas S. and Nicolas D., Thierry, Mark, William).  Plus, there are many others working as consultants or part time on the project, like Andre, David, Juergen, Andy, and all the crazy guys in Poland who have as a group have as much motivation as anyone!  Then, there are all the motivated users...the Betatester mailing list has nearly 300 active subscribers (and many other readers...), guys like Magnetic, Kelly, Stefan and Bernie, Fabien, Jake, Treveur, Ron, Francisco....the list goes on and on and we just do not have the time in the moment to remember everyone (and some people just want to stay Anonymous! ...but there NOT cowards!).  Know this:  if the Pegasos and MorphOS is successful it will be because it WAS a COMMUNITY effort.

We will continue to do our best to support the Community and that means financially through salaries, license payments, advertising, etc., etc. -- anyway we can when we feel like it advances the overall effort.

Have to run.  Too many things to do today.  Please forgive us if we left off your name...when the Pegasos II is launched everyone will be mentioned by name!  You can be SURE of that!.

Sincerely,

R&B  :-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: bloodline on June 16, 2003, 10:09:32 AM
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. Wayne, if you can change the name of this thread I would appreciate it. There are many great people working toward the improvement and success of the Pegasos and MorphOS


Sorry Bill, that was my fault. I was just browsing the Tradmarks and noticed that one of the Amiga Tradamrks was owned (applied for) by a William H. Buck, at first the name ment nothing, then a slow realisation that it was probably you, keeping your promise to apply for the Tradmark....

What would you preferas the title? -Pegasos- THe Saviour... of course you would ;-) (nothing like a bit of free advertising, eh?)

Thus, I thought other might enjoy that feeling :-D

anyway, tell me more about your internet based music store/label idea...  :-P
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 16, 2003, 10:52:12 AM
@ HMetal

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The key here is in Buck's recent postings are from an old e-mail dialog he posted, where he says "we will use the Amiga community as early adopters." Key word -> USE.


How naive do you really think we are? Look at Amiga Inc; why were they interested in the Amiga brand from the beginning? They had *exactly the same* motives as Genesi, but I mean, their primary product (Amiga DE or whatever it is called today) has NOTHING to do with Amiga as the community knows it!

I am one of the "Early Adopter" community members who bought myself a Pegasos (and I paid the full price and I am still happy about that :-)). I'll tell you what, I DON'T FEEL USED. I got what I wanted for such a long time, a brand new, NG Amiga system (without the name, but everything else)!

Now ask yourself this, how do you think that most of the community members that bought the $50 coupon feels? How do you think that Peck et al feels? How do you think that everyone that put trust and hope to Amiga Inc feels today?

BTW, it will be interesting to read the show reports from the AmiWest show. I guess *a lot* of people have *a lot* of questions to ask Bill McEwen, President/CEO Amiga, Inc. He IS coming, right? It was his initiative to put that message on the amiga.com site, and not someone elses?
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: WarPiper on June 16, 2003, 06:32:37 PM
@ meerschaum

Yoda says "Cursed the amiga name it is"

oh and its W a r P i p e r, hehe, I dont know how its possible to get me confused with Warface, after all he looks nowhere near as good I do.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: MarkTime on June 16, 2003, 08:04:45 PM
Bill,

I've been meaning to ask you for a while now, and I never got 'round to it, but this MorphOS 1.4 to be released at AmiWest, would you describe it as being 'Y2K' compliant?

I assume bbrv, is always Bill...there is just no way someone named Raquel Valesco is hanging around in an Amiga BBS...c'mon ...'nuff said.

alright <--me going back to work now

Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: WarPiper on June 16, 2003, 09:46:14 PM
@ bbrv

well yea, the girls like it, its easier for them, its alot cooler and it healthier to let the boys hang for a while.

But that picture is not depicting that, is depicting AMD degrading Intell
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Darth_X on June 16, 2003, 10:22:56 PM
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HMetal wrote:

Edit:  Amiga has first use.  All Amiga need do is challenge the application and it's dead and, AFAIK, this is already in progress.


*yawn*

Well, when AmigaInc made other challenges, there wasn't much action. Beside, any company that let's their trademarks run out looks idiotic and unreliable. Why allow things like this to happen? :pint:

By the way, did you get a chance to pick up some stuff at the AmigaInc auction? :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: AmiGR on June 16, 2003, 10:54:09 PM
True, my full name is Alkiviadis Alexandros Tsapanidis. Alkis A. Tsapanidis. :-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: on June 16, 2003, 10:57:28 PM
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Beside, any company that let's their trademarks run out looks idiotic and unreliable. Why allow things like this to happen?
The current theory-that-makes-sense of the moment is that they let it expire to keep it from being seized as an asset by the courts to pay Bolton Peck and others who ARE currently legally owed money.

Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org
Title: The Pegasos and the Trojan Horse!
Post by: bbrv on June 16, 2003, 11:25:51 PM

Well, the end of a long day here...:-)

Matt, TMHG, WarPiper, Robert, Joel, Alkis, Wayne...you guys are real people, with day-to-day lives and Superman tendencies!  Without people like you there would not be an "AMIGA" today. We hope we end up with the trademarks, because you deserve them...;-)

More tomorrow!

R&B   :-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Terminills on June 17, 2003, 12:02:37 AM
@darth
have you actually read the law on challenging them?   A 2 year old could challenge a trademark with a crayon and a napkin. On top of that all they have to do is say they didn't recieve the renewal form because of being evicted.  Then they have 2 months from then to take claim to them. So who knows. :-D
Title: Update!
Post by: bbrv on June 18, 2003, 05:36:36 PM
We were noticed today by the USPTO.

The file has been accepted!

Crazy!!!  :-o

There may be other issues.  We will see, but it sure is strange!

In any case for all you folks that want the Amiga trademark on a Pegasos, we have hundreds of legally obtained versions of AmigaOS 3.5 that we will happily bundle with the Pegasos for this special niche market.  That is just for all of you that really want the boing ball on your Pegasos!  :-)

Have a great day!  :-D

R&B
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: on June 18, 2003, 05:39:31 PM
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bbrv wrote:
We were noticed today by the USPTO.

The file has been accepted!

Crazy!!!  :-o

There may be other issues.  We will see, but it sure is strange!

In any case for all you folks that want the Amiga trademark on a Pegasos, we have hundreds of legally obtained versions of AmigaOS 3.5 that we will happily bundle with the Pegasos for this special niche market.  That is just for all of you that really want the boing ball on your Pegasos!  :-)

Have a great day!  :-D

R&B


The day I see the words Genesi Amiga on pegasosppc.com I'll fall about laughing! ;-)
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: MarkTime on June 18, 2003, 05:51:20 PM
I must not have won my auction bid (advance internet placed) because I wasn't notified of any winnings :-(


Title: Re: Update!
Post by: Hooligan_DCS on June 18, 2003, 06:02:08 PM
Wish it could be possible to rename MorphOS to AmigaOS .. I wouldn't mind dying away laughing :lol:
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: bbrv on June 18, 2003, 06:31:25 PM

Now, Hooligan, be good!

:lol:

There is no morphing Morph!

R&B
Title: Re: Shifting the Sands of the TradeMark...
Post by: Warface on June 18, 2003, 06:32:01 PM
Damn... I laughed my socks off... Just as I promised :-)

The fun factor: Unbelieveable!!! :-)
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 18, 2003, 06:48:13 PM
Quote

bbrv wrote:
We were noticed today by the USPTO.

The file has been accepted!

Crazy!!!  :-o


So what does this "accept" mean?

That it has been filed for further investigation?

Or that you now can use the "Amiga" brand for "computer software used to facilitate development of software applications that can run on multiple platforms and other electronic devices; operating system software for personal computers and other electronic devices"?

 :-?  :-?
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: Ferry on June 18, 2003, 07:03:45 PM
Quote

So what does this "accept" mean?

That it has been filed for further investigation?


Yes, that's what it means. This is what I have found when I checked its status (http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78258059)

==================================
This page was generated by the TARR system on 2003-06-18 13:42:14 ET

Serial Number: 78258059

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark (words only): AMIGA

Current Status: Newly filed application, not yet assigned to an examining attorney.

Date of Status: 2003-06-10

Filing Date: 2003-06-04
==================================

It does not have assigned registration number.

As you can see, the date of status is 2003-06-10 and maybe it has changed since then, but...

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: MayhemMaybe on June 18, 2003, 09:56:58 PM
Quote

mdma wrote:
But he could release a pegasos with on-board video in an A1200 style case and call it an Amiga legally! :-D


Not if the holder of 73571532 decides they can't. That trademark is still live and covers: COMPUTERS, COMPUTER DISK DRIVES, RAM EXPANSION CARTRIDGES, COMPUTER MONITORS, AND COMPUTER MODEMS
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: CodeSmith on June 18, 2003, 10:09:13 PM
I see the page has contact numbers for the attourneys involved in the case.

Please people, do NOT make an ass of yourselves (and the rest of the amiga crowd) by harassing these people.  If you think Bill Buck does not deserve the amiga trademark, send a reasonably-worded email explaining the fact as you see them.  The last thing I want to read on Slashdot is "trademark lawyer mailbombed by amiga nuts".  That is the kind of publicity we DO NOT need.

Personally, as long as I get to run Hyperion's AmigaOS4, I don't care what else runs on the computer and who owns the name...
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 18, 2003, 10:11:24 PM
Quote

MayhemMaybe wrote:
Quote

mdma wrote:
But he could release a pegasos with on-board video in an A1200 style case and call it an Amiga legally! :-D


Not if the holder of 73571532 decides they can't. That trademark is still live and covers: COMPUTERS, COMPUTER DISK DRIVES, RAM EXPANSION CARTRIDGES, COMPUTER MONITORS, AND COMPUTER MODEMS


If someone would like to contact that "holder" (to discuss cooperation for instance), where would you advice them to go?  :-o   :-P
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Elektro on June 18, 2003, 10:13:05 PM
Quote
The first thing I want to read on Slashdot is "trademark lawyer mailbombed by amiga nuts".


OK I'm on it!
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 18, 2003, 10:29:53 PM
Quote

CodeSmith wrote:
I see the page has contact numbers for the attourneys involved in the case.

Please people, do NOT make an ass of yourselves (and the rest of the amiga crowd) by harassing these people.  If you think Bill Buck does not deserve the amiga trademark, send a reasonably-worded email explaining the fact as you see them.  The last thing I want to read on Slashdot is "trademark lawyer mailbombed by amiga nuts".  That is the kind of publicity we DO NOT need.

Personally, as long as I get to run Hyperion's AmigaOS4, I don't care what else runs on the computer and who owns the name...


You enlighten us that there are contact info (and where) to the attorneys, and you say that one can write some kind of "protest" to them if you don't want BB to have the trademark, and then you say that "please don't mailbomb them"! Wow, talk about contradictions! :-D

Well, I know one certain attorney that is going to be absolutely flooded with nice messages from "nice community members" (Thinking about that auction firm that is selling off Amiga Inc's material assets; "... and please tell the people on your website to *stop* sending us e-mails about this!").  :-P
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: lempkee on June 19, 2003, 12:41:26 AM
bbrv: u said it was accepted, well i checked the site and regged my own tM , guess what..it say's accepted also , but i aint owning it yet because after you get accepted it will go to the higher grounds of LAW! .

the TM i regged is allready own by another one also, and i am pretty sure i wont get it, as if i do then i will be a rich man.

so i wouldnt get my hopes up just yet, besides i think there is more into it than thoose os3.5 copy's that you are mentioning.

anyway there is allready AMIGA registered in europe , did u even bother to check that out?,
yes u are right it aint aMIGA.INC nor aT , do a browse and i guess you would be suprised.

tales and fables..huff i dont need this i need an AMIGA and the feeling of an alive market , neither a1 or pegasos have done that yet..even if one of em has a Beta version which is called V1.3 and the other one aint for the public masses yet (os4).

cheers
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: MayhemMaybe on June 19, 2003, 06:02:54 AM
Quote

takemehomegrandma wrote:
If someone would like to contact that "holder" (to discuss cooperation for instance), where would you advice them to go?  :-o   :-P


Dat aint my problem, is it?  :-D
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: CodeSmith on June 19, 2003, 07:12:28 AM
@TMHGM:
Sorry, that's not how I operate.  I simply followed the link, and when I saw the lawyer's contact info the first thing that came to mind was the auction house, as you mentioned.  If you look at my posts, I have a few times already asked people not to bug "outsiders" who have no idea of our little games.  As I said, as long as I'm running the Frieden's OS I don't give a rat's ass as to who the current owners of the trademarks are (it's not like it's not been owned by everyone and his dog anyway).

I repeat: if anyone construed my comment as a veiled invitation to bug these people, DON'T.  I am not Machiavelli, if I wanted to organize a protest I'd just ask for it.

Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: HMetal on June 19, 2003, 08:25:05 AM
Quote

Darth_X wrote:
Well, when AmigaInc made other challenges, there wasn't much action.


I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we? :-)

Quote

By the way, did you get a chance to pick up some stuff at the AmigaInc auction? :-D


I wasn't interested in the "used" equipment at the auction.  I have all the computer and networking equipment I need, and backup equipment if any of it fails.  And the best part of it is Amiga didn't supply any of it.  It's all mine no matter what happens. No worries here.

This is what happens when you plan to stick with it for the long haul and cover your bases before the mud starts flying.  :-)
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Warface on June 19, 2003, 08:53:21 AM
Quote

HMetal wrote:
Quote

Darth_X wrote:
Well, when AmigaInc made other challenges, there wasn't much action.


I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we? :-)


The problem is: we always have to find it out ourselves. Like with your "used equipment" suggestion.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: HMetal on June 20, 2003, 10:44:21 PM
Quote

Warface wrote:
The problem is: we always have to find it out ourselves. Like with your "used equipment" suggestion.


I guess when you attended the auction, you found out that it really was used equipment, right?  Hey, if you didn't believe me, that's your problem.  :lol:
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: AmiGR on June 21, 2003, 03:49:08 AM
I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we?
--

Sure! Just keep in mind that if you find the money
for the lawsuit, you'll have to add at least 30,000$
to the money you'll need... or you'll have a NICE
surprise from Bolton.

BTW, McEwen's crap do not work with us anymore...
01/09/2002, my ass...
Title: ENCORE!! ENCORE!!
Post by: Darth_X on June 21, 2003, 05:12:35 AM
Quote

HMetal wrote:

I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we? :-)

This is what happens when you plan to stick with it for the long haul and cover your bases before the mud starts flying.  :-)


Don't you just love this Canadian humour? :pint:

ENCORE!!! ENCORE!!!
Title: Re: Merci ENCORE!!
Post by: bbrv on June 21, 2003, 01:53:34 PM
Re: Trademarks, lawsuits, Bolton, etc.

Not sure any mud will be flying around much longer, as we will crank up the lawsuit again next week against Amiga Inc.  Of course, Amiga Inc. can install DE on the Pegasos and then we can just call it a day, but that is not likely as there does not seem to be anything left.

We have ask Bolton to coordinate and manage the port/relationship from our side.  He has agreed, so it looks like if all goes well he will have a job in the Community again soon.

Sadly, there continues to be alot of FUD floating around, but all this should be cleared up at AmiWest when some of the traditional Amiga Community discovers that they nice folks from Genesi are not the six headed dragons they are often made out to be.  

It is time to shut the book on the past and move ahead.

Happy days are here again...

:-)

Raquel and Bill  :-)
Title: Re: Merci ENCORE!!
Post by: Hooligan_DCS on June 21, 2003, 02:00:28 PM
@Bill

>but that is not likely as there does not seem to be anything left.

Care to elaborate?

Mikko
Title: Re: Merci ENCORE!!
Post by: L8-X on June 22, 2003, 11:58:57 AM
@bbrv

Yeah shame is a lot of that FUD is generated by you and your supporters.
Title: Re: Whew! Another Conspiracy!
Post by: bbrv on June 22, 2003, 01:18:53 PM
Yes, L8-X we are guilty of everything.

It was a coordinated massive conspiracy.  How did you figure it all out?!  :-o

R&B 8-)
Title: Re: Merci ENCORE!!
Post by: Madgun68 on June 22, 2003, 01:25:28 PM
Quote
Yeah shame is a lot of that FUD is generated by you and your supporters.
I decided a while back that I'd sit on the fence and decide who was right/wrong based on the facts that came out. I still can't come to a conclusion on the matter(s) one way or the other.
 
At this point, I'm not sure the complete facts will ever come out. As such, it's hard to label something as 'fud' when there's such a lack of definitive proof for either side.
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: Madgun68 on June 22, 2003, 01:36:24 PM
I'm reminded of something I once read (which goes something like this)

"Dear employees:

It has come to our attention that because so many of you are flying off the handle, jumping to conclusions and running around in circles that our daily warm-ups are no longer needed.

As such, the morning exercises have been canceled."
Title: Re: Update!
Post by: bbrv on June 22, 2003, 02:21:55 PM

Hi Madgun...this one too:

Attention: the beatings will continue until morale improves!

:-D
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: MarkTime on June 22, 2003, 03:01:39 PM
Hi Ray,

Quote
I guess when you attended the auction, you found out that it really was used equipment, right? Hey, if you didn't believe me, that's your problem.


Yes, Ray, I guess all those 21" monitors were absolutely useless.    Amiga, Inc. let them all go, because you are all running Cinema display's now.

And the proper way to return demo equipment is to have them seized by your landlord and then beg him to return them for you....that is ingenious.

<----choosing not to believe Ray A. Key

You know, all the 'traditional' Amiga enthusiasts should understand, a person is not spreading FUD simply because they are pointing out some rather glaring problems with Amiga, Inc. and the stories about them.

But so be it.  Anyway, I will point out obvious problems with stories, before AmiWest, after AmiWest....for as long as I'm in the community, so don't expect what you call 'FUD' to ever stop. You can ask for it, you can demand it, but it will never happen.
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: Bandaren on June 22, 2003, 03:43:24 PM
"Initially, we tried to work with Amiga Inc., "

You know, a certain executive update from... hmmm when was it.. October 21, 2000 comes to mind.

"We are pleased to announce to the community the first in a series of new hardware that has been designed by Amiga and soon manufactured by Amiga OEM partners. The first in our AmigaONE series of products are the AmigaONE PPC 1200, and the AmigaONE PPC 4000 cards from Eyetech. These products will become available to developers in December this year and are designed to meet the specific needs of the Amiga Community. We have also announced another partner, bPlan GmbH, who are creating a new AmigaONE PPC based desktop computer.

More details will emerge shortly about bPlan, Eyetech and the new AmigaONE products, so visit the AmigaONE web site"

and ofcourse signed with..

"Get Boinged!

Bill McEwen and the rest of the Amiga Team"

Well it's strange you can't find this on amiga.com anymore since they have the jun. and nov. executive updates.

The Internet Wayback Machine is a great thing though...

Well more to the point. Perhaps this executive update finally might come true? ;-) That is my hope atleast.


and.... before any clever moderator delete this as flaming or whatever. My intention was to show that when R&B say they approached amiga inc to work together it's often perceived as not true or serious, like they only tried to do this with posting something on public mailinglists etc. This is proof that they actually had "some kind of" serious talks. (-only believe it if you read it here -Bill McEwen said)

And I base this ofcourse on the belief that Bplan and Thendic had a connection at this time already, and if they hadn't it would be even more interesting to know what happened with this deal.
Perhaps question what happened to the licenses that former Phase5 and current DCE had with Amiga Technologies and "Gateway" Amiga Inc. in the past. Who owns thoose now?  (the Amiga 5000 and 6000) But that might be another thread unless R&B could mention this briefly. ;-)

Anyway, regardless of what we call them we need thoose peg2 and Amiga Ones now (with usuable and good OS on them)  with all the rumors of G5 mac's is flying around!

regards
Dan Andersson
Title: Re: Merci ENCORE!!
Post by: dammy on June 22, 2003, 04:08:27 PM
by bbrv on 2003/6/21 8:53:34

Quote
Not sure any mud will be flying around much longer, as we will crank up the lawsuit again next week against Amiga Inc.


Time to go invest in popcorn stock again.  I see there is going to be some good times ahead for those of us on the sidelines cheering on our favorite side.  This is far better then reality TV shows. =)

Dammy
Title: Re: William Hamilton Buck, the saviour?
Post by: vortexau on June 22, 2003, 06:13:27 PM
WarPiper said:
Quote
. . .he seen the name C= commodore A4000/040 and C= commodore A1200 and C= commodore A500 with the word emblazend on the case's AMIGA, "OOOH, ITS A COMODORE" comes from his mouth, he rememberd the C64 and 128d and knew of Commodore's death, and asked for the long story, AFTER HEARING ME DRONE ON AND ON ABOUT COMMODORE, ESCOM, VISCORP, GATEWAY, JIM COLLAS, AND NOW AMIGA INC, HYPERION, AND EYETECH, I STARTED TO SEE HIS EYES KINDA CROSS AS IF HE WAS WATCHING THE ROOM SPIN, THEN HE LOST TOTAL INTEREST IN AMIGA EVERYTHING AND DID NOT EVEN WANT TO SEE THE A4000 SYSTEM THAT WE HAD DISCUSED ME BRINGING IN.


(http://www.q-jp.com/qshop/gif/amiga.gif)

Just as well you didn't bother to mention the Video Toaster - then you would have really confused him! (Like WHY this image is laterally-inverted!)