Bastards!!!

[koshman]

@ scuzzb494: Amen...

[Iggy]

Geohot will figure a way past this. It's foolish. All the people using Linux suffer because some of us want full control of the PS3. I don't want to pirate games, I want direct access to the video hardware. Without that. decent video games and other video intense software cannot be written under Linux.
This is going to be defeated. It's only a matter of time.

[zosodk69]

@Iggy:
Linux on the PS3 runs as a virtual machine under a hypervisor and as such doesn't have direct access to the hardware.  The video hardware specifically is gimped to a simple framebuffer without any 3D acceleration.  This is presumably to prevent access to people whom aren't licensed to develop for the RSX chip.  The basic 2D video is sufficient for Amiga emulation.

@scuzzb494:
The statement "The PS3 is a games machine" is purely subjective.   Other OS was a marketed feature.

[Arkhan]

Geohot will figure a way past this. It's foolish. All the people using Linux suffer because some of us want full control of the PS3. I don't want to pirate games, I want direct access to the video hardware. Without that. decent video games and other video intense software cannot be written under Linux.
This is going to be defeated. It's only a matter of time.

and thats when sony will go OOPS and retract everything, lol.

[Karlos]

"Other OS" was an advertised feature that influenced my purchasing decision. I spend roughly 50% of my time in the PS3 in the Other OS environment

Usually advertised features are subject to change (often without warning), as stated in some minuscule text on the advert somewhere.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52074

As the thread asks, why do people believe the advertising?

[VingtTrois]

Stop complaining you at least you do not have the former CEO of COMMODORE FRANCE (George Fornay - 1994) current Vice-President of SONY COMPUTERS EUROPE. He was not appreciated in COMMODORE FRANCE & in France ... shame on us the French, shame on Sony.
If this decision comes from him, then double shame on him and SONY.

[desiv]

I haven't looked at  Linux on the PS3, but if it really is a hypervisor....

Breaking through the hypervisor to get to the 3D hardware?  Yeah, that'll happen anytime... :-)

I'm sure geohot is good, and he can probably get Linux running after they "disable" it, but you'd need a new hypervisor for 3D.
Unless Sony's hypervisor already supports 3D and they just haven't provided a driver..

doubtful

desiv

[Tension]

Stop complaining you at least you do not have the former CEO of COMMODORE FRANCE (George Fornay - 1994) current Vice-President of SONY COMPUTERS EUROPE. He was not appreciated in COMMODORE FRANCE & in France ... shame on us the French, shame on Sony.
If this decision comes from him, then double shame on him and SONY.

That doesn't surprise me at all.  CBM certainly had the knack of pissing off their customers pretty well.  Well done George you ****.

[abbub]

They didn't make much of a point of it mainstream, but I can assure you that it was advertised it in various academic/scientific media. There was a period I was fed up with all the PS3 crap showing up eveywhere.

And I suspect that anyone using it with Linux for Academic/Scientific uses won't give a damn about not being able to get on-line to play games, and they'll continue to chug along using it with the old BIOS.

[EvilGuy]

I'm sure geohot is good, and he can probably get Linux running after they "disable" it, but you'd need a new hypervisor for 3D.

Or just disable the virtualisation completely.

[desiv]

Or just disable the virtualisation completely.

Yep..  Probably much more likely, although still will be a huge hack..
Would be great tho..

desiv

[scuzzb494]

@Iggy:
Linux on the PS3 runs as a virtual machine under a hypervisor and as such doesn't have direct access to the hardware.  The video hardware specifically is gimped to a simple framebuffer without any 3D acceleration.  This is presumably to prevent access to people whom aren't licensed to develop for the RSX chip.  The basic 2D video is sufficient for Amiga emulation.

@scuzzb494:
The statement "The PS3 is a games machine" is purely subjective.   Other OS was a marketed feature.

Your talking FAT here arn`t you. The PS3 has moved on and the hardwear like my original FAT is now out of date. The SLIM never supported the other OS feature as I understand so why is anyone surprised that 3 year old technology is now going to be updated to bring it in line with the slim PS3. Eventually the FAT will disappear as the PS3 has become far more popular since the release of the SLIM... And more changes are in the pipeline. SONY won't make the same mistake again as they did with the XBOX and they will keep the 'gaming console' ahead of the pack. The games are what sells, not the disc player ... and a specialist minority group like LINUX are hardly their concern.... And they can change their mode of operation at any time. I support SONY for their gaming console, always will. So If they think its necessary to move the platform on to compete  with crappy Microsoft then I am very very pleased. Seriously if you want LINUX go get a tin box....

The PS3 is internet dependant for gaming now and most stuff won`t run without the Playstation Network which is free. This internet updating tool from SONY keeps both FAT and SLIM healthy, for PS3 browser and gaming purposes. That is the focus, sorry. So the computer will get updated unless you simply disconnect it from the telephone line.

scuzz

[Tripitaka]

I am a PS3 owner. I'm quite happy with it as a games machine and I had no real interest in installing Linux. However, if I had installed Linux I would be a bit pissed. it amazes me that so many people think it is acceptable that Sony can do this. Do you own a car? If your car manufacturer came and removed your sunroof would the car still go from a to b ? Of course it would, but you would still be pissed yes?

Another point many people are missing is that Sony claim this is an anti-piracy measure. LMFAO!!!!!!!  Who made the chips that modded PS2?  Oh yes, my freinds, it was Sony themselves! bloody hypocrisy at its best.

Still, I'm with Kolla on this one, It's not bad news, it is fantastic news. Now the hackers can (and will) target this machine for people like me to rip it apart and play with the innards.

I guess I should point out that I also own an original XBox with an executor 3 chip, modded (clear blue) case and a 200GB drive as well as a recased, pot tweaked, Viper chipped Gamecube. Even my N64 had a V64 Doctor sitting underneath it (illegal in the US but not in the UK I might add).

Thanks Sony, you can have some more cash off me when you make a PS3 mod chip, sell it through a Hong Kong distributer and then shut them down. Lik-Sang anyone?

GO GO Geohot!!!   Flame On!!!

[Jose]

This reminds me of the HQ100 crt TV from them. It has a SuperFinePitch trinitron tube, the best HD crt tube ever, at least in the consumer market, and also pricey it was. But surprise, the european models with SuperFinePitch tubes (32" and 36" variants of the HQ100 model) don't have HD input!!!!!
It's like selling a car with a super power engine but putting an accelerator that only goes through half the way...
It's most likely some marketing department assholes like what happened in Commodore, coming in and totally wasting a great machine that took a lot of hard work to design by very good engineers and the saddest part is that having an HD input on the HQ100 would probably not even market predate any of their LCD / plasma (they still sold plasmas in 2004 I think) tvs.
The TV probably even has internal HD inputs cause the picture processing upscales the image, so someone could hack it, but probably they were not sold in high enouph numbers to get the attention of good electronics hackers.

[Tripitaka]

@ Jose

A lot of hardware manufacturers make a single board with all the features and then they disable some of them for the cheaper versions. This costs them less to produce. I know a guy (who shall remain nameless) who bought a Sony DVCam, bottom of the range. He then googled it and subsequently modded it to unlock ALL the features of the top of the range version (apart from a port he could have soldered in but decided not to as he didn't need it). This does not work with everything however so make sure your sure before opening up any hardware.

[Jose]

Well, at the time I managed to find the service manuals for the american and european models and the chassis were different (probably due to different electrical standards too etc.) so it wasn't worth it. If there was a mod available I'm sure I would have tried it. BTW I found out the later Toshiba CRTs accept 1080i signals using a VGA to component video transcoder and some custom settings on Powerstrip (PC program to tweak image parameters, a bit like Picasso96's mode editor). They also accept some interesting frequencies and resolutions like 1200x 833i (probably the limits of the tube). The image needs some tweaking though and since I'm not into electronics (CRT image frequency and timing adjustments etc.) it becomes harder and boring to try to go further...

Very OT I knoew but I had to say it:)