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Emo
« on: February 27, 2004, 03:51:45 PM »
Not really about "entertainment", but it's about music, so it kinda fits here, I suppose...

I'd be very interested to hear what your ideas are, if any, on what this word 'emo' (in terms of a musical genre/scene) actually means. I want to go further and explain exactly why I'm asking, except I think I don't want to risk influencing what anyone says, so...

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Re: Emo
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2004, 03:55:19 PM »
I'll have to think about this one.

I'll get back to you :-)
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Re: Emo
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2004, 05:06:01 PM »
Er....emotion?

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Re: Emo
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2004, 05:33:05 PM »
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I'd be very interested to hear what your ideas are, if any, on what this word 'emo' (in terms of a musical genre/scene) actually means. I want to go further and explain exactly why I'm asking, except I think I don't want to risk influencing what anyone says, so...


Right, this is not meant to cause any offence, this really is my honest opinion. But I hate the word. 'Emo' creates an image in my mind, rightly or wrongly, of kids who think that punk is really trendy and listen to this 'emo' rubbish thinking that its the next big thing, when everyone knows that punk died at the beginning of the eighties.

I have held a view like this ever since I worked in a record shop - I could see what was happening with all the teenagers in my town....metal and punk were never the norm...metallers and punks were always hairy people who wore black or whatever, but never did so to be 'trendy', if anything their motive was the opposite.

Yet suddenly *everyone* was wearing these hooded tops with NOFX, Slipknot etc on, and it seemed as if you had to have a hooded sweatshirt and a few piercings in order to look good, and maybe get a girl.
But I always remember metallers being anything but trendy, and whilst they belonged to a group, you never got people wearing Slayer t-shirts who didn't like Slayer so they could get into a girl's pants. Kerrang was never a mainstream magazine,you expected to have people insult you for having long hair and wearing metal t-shirts or dressing as a punk, not to be a hit with your mates / the girls. When I was into punk, it was about people singing about a #OOPS# situation - The Expolited singing about the Thatcher government and how it'd shafted people for example, Discharge singing about The Possibility of Life's Destruction :lol: and since Green Day and all that other pants was around, it seems to become a medium to sing about how that girl you like has copped off with someone else, oh woe is me....

Sorry for the rant, and I realise how unbalanced this view is, its just one I acquired some years ago. with the advent of Green Day and Offspring, when everone called them 'punk'. Bad Religion have a lot to answer for!

Oh, and I'm probably not the first person to get sick of classifications. I remember when I helped out at the shop after I left, and I had people come in and ask for 'Emo-core' or some such - I just told them where to go...

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Re: Emo
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2004, 06:01:58 PM »
Very intresting :-)

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Re: Emo
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2004, 11:10:21 PM »
Never heard of it!
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Re: Emo
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2004, 02:07:53 AM »
do you mean ENO?
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Re: Emo
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2004, 12:50:34 PM »
EMU! ARRGGHHH! (runs away before being pecked to death)

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Oh yeah, it isn't "Commercialism" that is killing music, it is "Pop Idol" :-(
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Re: Emo
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2004, 03:02:41 PM »
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Oh yeah, it isn't "Commercialism" that is killing music, it is "Pop Idol" :-(


Same difference...
 

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Re: Emo
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2004, 03:16:48 PM »
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EMU! ARRGGHHH! (runs away before being pecked to death)

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Oh yeah, it isn't "Commercialism" that is killing music, it is "Pop Idol" :-(


:roflmao: What about Fame Academy? That's just as bad as Pop Idol! It brought us the Hedgehog as their winner! :roflmao:
 

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Re: Emo
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2004, 03:22:01 PM »
Not to hijack your thread punkie, but what do people know about the "Romo" music scene?

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Re: Emo
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2004, 03:27:27 PM »
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Not to hijack your thread punkie, but what do people know about the "Romo" music scene?


Interesting... "Romo" makes me think "new romantic," makes me think of the 80s and goth... I don't know if there's a genuine link there or just punkiebrains. :-)
 

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Re: Emo
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2004, 03:31:37 PM »
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Not to hijack your thread punkie, but what do people know about the "Romo" music scene?


Interesting... "Romo" makes me think "new romantic," makes me think of the 80s and goth... I don't know if there's a genuine link there or just punkiebrains. :-)


You wouldn't be far wrong, "Romantic Modernist" is the full name, it was a short lived music scene that apparently only existed in London  for a couple of years after 1997...

It was a sort of new romantic revival, but more from a fasion pov than a musical one, which drew heavily from the New romantic and goth movements, but was sizably influenced by the Britpop/indie scene...

apparently anyway.

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Re: Emo
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2004, 12:52:39 PM »
Yes. Romo definitely means "Romantic". :-)
 

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Re: Emo
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2004, 02:00:37 PM »
Right, I suppose I should elaborate on why I asked this question.

The actual "trigger", what got me thinking about it, was a disagreement I had with Vincent about the Foo Fighters and whether they had become more emo. The first problem with using the word "emo" is that it doesn't describe the music's style at all. I think the guitar sounds and songwriting style on 'The Colour And The Shape' are reminiscent of "real" emo bands (ie. bands that were labelled so before it became trendy.) Vincent said the new stuff is emo.

I don't the kind of ego that would have me believe I'm right about it just because I listen to more of that stuff than he does, so I sat down and thought about it, and in the meantime started this thread.

I totally identify with Cyberus' frustration at the trendy kids, although I differ in that he lays the blame at Bad Religion for depoliticising punk rock. The first bands to break away onto the (yet to be labelled) emo path around the mid-eighties actually made a conscious decision to write about personal experiences instead of politics, because as Cyberus points out, political punk/hardcore was already done to death. This happened in parallel with Bad Religion's own "revolution", which is said to have saved the LA punk scene from falling apart in the midst of violence and stabbings at shows.

This was the point at which the punk/hardcore and modern indie-rock scenes amalgamated. It's pretty much all the same scene now.

I lay the blame at major labels. The music marketed as punk and emo in major magazines - Kerrang!, melody Maker/NME etc - just isn't punk and emo (indie). They're pop-bands, venture capitalists with stupid sweeping fringes. But of course, the major labels also pay for much of the advertising space in Kerrang!, so what they say is cool is cool, and people stupid enough to buy Kerrang! and not read the (usually still fairly honest) reviews will go into record shops and ask for "emo" CDs. This is why the real emo kids hate emo ;-)

Because while at first, it was just exceptionally well-written melodic independantly produced rock music, it's become a sound and a look. (Someone came on the Get Up Kids forum the other day and asked about getting an emo haircut. And he wasn't joking.) And everyone seems to have an opinion on it... even though no-one's sure what it even means anymore.