Bernie Demos Pegasos/IMac UAE JIT for PPC

[olegil]

And MOS needs two JIT emulators, one GPL and one not BECAUSE ...?

Could someone please try to answer the QUESTION, not nitpick about the details?

Does MOS need two JIT compilers if none of them provide custom chipset emulation? I wouldn't think so, but Bill Buck seems to think otherwise.

[zacman]

>And MOS needs two JIT emulators, one GPL and
>one not BECAUSE ...?

Not MorphOS but *UAE* for MorphOS.

"1. We could have a fast UAE for MorphOs...not bad."

Where is that sentence do you read "MorphOS will
use Bernie's JIT"?!

[olegil]

@magnetic:
What I think is interesting, is that he's saying MOS needs a JIT compiler, at the same time throwing #### on Hyperion for not having theirs ready AND claiming (without any proof) that the one in MOS is ready.

So he's saying it's ready, but they need a replacement? What? Come on.

[zacman]

>AND claiming (without any proof) that the one in
>MOS is ready.

BT1 users are using Trance for several months now.

BTW:
I even remember a show in Germany on which
Hyperion told some features about OS4 and
said "Well unlike others we will have a JIT" - and a
visitor shouted: "but the others already show it on
their booth."...

>So he's saying it's ready, but they need a
>replacement? What? Come on.

He never said something like that.

[KennyR]

(without any proof) that the one in MOS is ready.

The one in MOS is ready for use, I know this because I know people who use it every day. So you can give up on this particular line of attack and find another. If it can be improved, then of course this is a good way to do it. And since OS4, AROS and anyone else can get their hands on it too, there's no real point in you complaining about it.

Every MOS announcement gets turned into a f*cking flame war by people who have actually no clue about it for no good reason. I'm sick of it. Go troll on ANN.

[bhoggett]

@olegil

But UAE-JIT does have custom chipset emulation.

However, to answer your question regarding what use there would be for another JIT emulation, that depends on how good Trance and Petunia turn out to be in practice, doesn't it? Bernie's JIT work has a proven pedigree, which is more than can be said for the other two at this moment in time.

Bernie always said he would have a bash at producing a PPC version of his JIT emulation if someone provided him with a PPC system to work on. It seems that once again he has delivered on his promises.

[hnl_dk]

@bhogget

Have You read the posts of Bernd Mayer?

... So this thing has most custom chip emulation removed. ...

It might have some left, but this is written by Bernd Mayer!

But of course it will still be GPL, so you could intigrate the AGA emulation ;-)

[bhoggett]

@hnl_dk

Have You read the posts of Bernd Mayer?

I hadn't. Thanks for the pointer.

But of course it will still be GPL, so you could intigrate the AGA emulation

Precisely. Bernie didn't work on the WinUAE integration directly either, but that also uses his JIT compiler.

Although I have no use for any PPC software - as I have no room in my budget for any PPC systems - I do agree with Bernie when he says he doing this "for fun". I can't help thinking that this community would be far better off with more people doing stuff "for fun" rather than "for the community".

(and yes, I do expect to be flamed for saying that...)

[Andre.Siegel]

So he's saying it's ready, but they need a replacement? What? Come on.

Ahem. Bernd Meyer plans to release his work under the GPL license which means *anyone* can turn his work into a full-blown UAE (including decent chipset emulation) which is something that would definetely come in handy for many (by relative terms) MorphOS, MacOS, LinuxPPC, etc. users. Got it?

[uncharted]

3. Hyperion would then have a working JIT, as they would have the UAE sources. (Will Petunia be ready any time soon?  Really?)

4. Hyperion has Mac experience and could generate considerable interest and success by bringing OS4 and Amiga games to Apple computer owners (sort of a cool Retro package initially and then GamePack II, etc.)

5. Ben can stay busy solving all the EULA problems  and...

The Amiga Community has a market again!!!

OK, now can we have some cooperation please!

Do you always hold a knife held behind your back with one hand as you shake hands with a person with the other?

Basically what you are saying is we want to co-operate with Hyperion because Hyperion are crap and we're not so nah-nah :-P

Believe it or not some of us would like to see REAL co-operation between Genesi and Hyperion (espeically when it comes to OpenAmiga and also getting OS 4 on Pegasos2).  but this is sadly something that cannot happen while the childish attitudes continue.

[bbrv]

Think about this situation a little harder Unchartered...

R&B :-)

[uncharted]

Every MOS announcement gets turned into a f*cking flame war by people who have actually no clue about it for no good reason. I'm sick of it. Go troll on ANN.

I know how you feel, like everytime there is an item on AOS 4 or AmigaOne there's always some prick with a Pegasos telling everyone how bad AOS/A1/AINC/Hyperion/Eyetech, is and so on.  It's not needed at all if you are not interested in the platfrom in question and have nothing useful/productive to add then #### off.

While it was probably going to happen anyway, the flaming on this particular thread was in fact started by BBRV with the Hyperion comments, so you can't really complain about people with "no knowledge" in this instance.

Like DaveP pointed out the other day, you seem to be flaming quite a lot these days (evidence on this thread and others), which is odd because you never used to, I don't remember you being negative about anything (well computer related anyway :-) ).  Why is that?

Getting back to the topic in question, if Bernie does manage to evolve his little pert PPC project into a decent UAE for OS X or an Amithlon type thing for Mac, then I'll be a very happy bunny indeed.

[uncharted]

Think about this situation a little harder Unchartered...

OK think harder..........nnnnnnnnnnnnngh!.......done

Nope, it still is exactly the same.  Care to come up with a better explaination/arguement? :-)

BTW like I pointed out before it's UNCHARTED as in unexplored, new, not charted. not UNCHARTERED as in accountant, surveyor, etc

[KennyR]

I know how you feel, like everytime there is an item on AOS 4 or AmigaOne there's always some prick with a Pegasos telling everyone how bad AOS/A1/AINC/Hyperion/Eyetech, is and so on.

It doesn't take a prick with a pegasos to tell you that AInc are worthless and the A1 is overpriced. Any common or garden variety prick can tell you that.

It's not needed at all if you are not interested in the platfrom in question and have nothing useful/productive to add then #### off.

And if everyone took that approach to the letter, AInc would be the first to #### off.

[cecilia]

Bernie is a smart cookie. and if he is happy doing ANYthing, he deserves it.
and if we are lucky enough to benefit, even in a small way, we are truly blessed.
all the best to him! :-D

[anarchic_teapot]

Will this be generally available for the mac? Amiga emulation under Mac OS X is very slow.

ARGH!! I HATE OSX! It's the bastard offspring of *nix and Windows XP made up to look like MacOS9. In the dark, with a light behind it.

After all of 6 hours' use, I'm seriously considering junking it for Linux, which doesn't have apps that seem to queue up to crash for you (of 10 mainstream apps tested, 7 crashed within a few minutes). Oh, if only I could install a PPC version of Berniethlon... but I'll settle for an updated UAE with JIT   :-D

Must agree with Ole-Egil though: if MOS already contains an emulator for 68K AOS, why in the name of sanity would it need another? Especially since this one wouldn't be incorporated into the OS itself?

Macs are a different kettle of fish altogether.