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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2011, 10:11:12 AM »
Yes perhaps I was a little harsh in using the term "most general users don't bother....".

It's probably more accurate to say that most general Word users don't know about the styles or understand their importance in the correct formatting of the document.

If I'm honest, I learned the hard way myself.  I had a very complex document with multi-level numbered headings with different formatting for each level, and I was applying this formatting manually all underneath the Normal style.
Eventually the document started mucking about - the formatting was not very stable.  I thought it was a bug in Word.

That's when I learned about styles.  Very important for complex documents.  And, actually, once you've made yourself familiar with them they totally make sense and you'll never go back.  It saves you time in the long run too.

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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2011, 02:28:50 PM »
I didn't follow Phase5 at all back in the day, so just picking up on what's in this thread....

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and was quoted $200,000 as the lowest starting price for that info.


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Mr Dellert did buy out all PuP related designs (CS-PPC,BPPC,CV-PPC,BVision and GRex) from the Phase5 bancruptsy


From these two bits of info I could theorize that the bankruptsy buyout (or debt payoff transfer?) of Phase was worth between $0 and $200K.  I'd have to guess that it would be much less than $200K because who would spend that kind of money then be willing sit on the goods until it's value evaporated? Maybe the whole bundle will show up on Ebay one day.

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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2011, 02:53:27 PM »
>Dellert did buy out all PuP related designs

Well then that pretty much settles it. Who else could offer the accelerator design for sale?
Could, after this much time,  Dellert sue someone for reverse engineering this board?
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #63 on: May 29, 2011, 05:22:28 PM »
Quote from: Plaz;641110
who would spend that kind of money then be willing sit on the goods until it's value evaporated?


Again: companies involved with the post C= Amiga seem to wind up hating their customers, and do things (like demanding $200k for a board design, for example) out of pure malice.

Well, I guess GVP gets a pass; they did a run of 060 A2000 cards a couple years back!
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2011, 08:20:05 PM »
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Could, after this much time,  Dellert sue someone for reverse engineering this board?


Nothing stops him trying. Succeeding is optional.  Different counties, different laws. Also the way it's done is a big factor. AROS kickstart replacment project is an example. PC clones were born by reversing the IBM XT.  Clean room technique has been well established.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design

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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2011, 12:28:09 AM »
Ok guys here is a couple of notes

1. We do NOT know if this silly 200k number is accurate.. as its romour (pretty strong too)

2. NOBODY is going to be able reverse engineer the phase 5 ppc card, do you even realize how complex it is?

3. Can we now start talking sensibly :)
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2011, 12:35:07 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;641243
Ok guys here is a couple of notes

2. NOBODY is going to be able reverse engineer the phase 5 ppc card, do you even realize how complex it is?

3. Can we now start talking sensibly :)


Agreed, no one is ever going to get the phase5 documentation, and Ralph Schmidt would never give out his source code.

It would be easier to make a new CPU card with a FPGA 68k core and a PPC chip.
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2011, 12:39:58 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;641243
Ok guys here is a couple of notes

1. We do NOT know if this silly 200k number is accurate.. as its romour (pretty strong too)

2. NOBODY is going to be able reverse engineer the phase 5 ppc card, do you even realize how complex it is?

3. Can we now start talking sensibly :)

Why in the world would we want to do that?
Of course I realize how complex it is. That's part of the challenge.

As far as "NOBODY" well that just makes me want to take it on.

First question. Does anyone have a non-functional one. Eventual it will probably be necessary to sacrifice one or two functional cards (an expensive proposition). But to start with, I'd like a broken one.

Next question. Does anyone want to lend a hand with this? Part-time it could take a couple years. Regardless of who works on it, I want to release the information to the general public.
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2011, 12:42:57 AM »
iggy

What a waste of time, of course nobody is going to help u its silly.
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2011, 12:44:28 AM »
Quote from: HammerD;641247
Agreed, no one is ever going to get the phase5 documentation, and Ralph Schmidt would never give out his source code.

It would be easier to make a new CPU card with a FPGA 68k core and a PPC chip.

We don't need Ralph's help with this.

And I agree that an FPGA 68K core may be an attractive option. As would a different PPC processor (the Phase5 card uses a relatively slow one - a 603e isn't it?)
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Offline magnetic

Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2011, 12:46:49 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;641252
We don't need Ralph's help with this.




haha that is awesome.. so you hire nasa engineers and reverse engineer the board, congrats you have a totally useless piece of hw.. without the code that is.

Iggy I see you missed POINT #3 so I will repeat it for ya!

3.Can we please now talk sensibly?
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2011, 12:47:35 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;641251
iggy

What a waste of time, of course nobody is going to help u its silly.

Mag, you're just offering opinions. In time I hope to change those. As I've said before, I used to work for a hardware manufacturer. What you think is impossible is going on every day.

I'm going to go dig up the available support documents.

I'll get back to this thread in a while.

Anyone interested. PM.
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2011, 12:51:57 AM »
Iggy
Is it an "opinion" that you can hold a balloon and fly to mars?
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2011, 12:57:40 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;641260
Iggy
Is it an "opinion" that you can hold a balloon and fly to mars?

Have you ever helped design anything?
I did. 68030 based motherboards.
This is not rocket science, it dated, relatively primitive electronics.

Comment all you want Magnetic. I'm already pulling in info.
604e not 603e, right?
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Re: WTB: Cyberstorm PPC
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2011, 12:58:20 AM »
Iggy

Ok buddy, you should start taking pre orders too
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