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Offline Gebrochen

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #225 on: October 03, 2008, 03:38:42 AM »
@ All:

Just saw this on Ebay, holy Crackamoly,

Had to post it here, to show everyone how cheap the Sam440ep board with os4.1 setup really is in comparison.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-Amiga-in-Elbox-Tower-with-Blizzard-PPC-060_W0QQitemZ200256276587QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200256276587&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Cheers. :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :crazy:

Now all those complaining about the SAM440ep, and that have A4000 or A1200, go out and buy the new Amiga system.
Courtesy of SAM440 Flex & Amiga OS4.1 Update 3 only & Debian
SAM Flex 800
CD32 with SX-1 Expansion & 98 Titles
x86 AROS
A1000 & A500
x86 Box Linux Cinnamon
https://blitterwolf.blogspot.com.au

 :evil: :popcorn:
 

Offline amigadave

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Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #226 on: October 03, 2008, 04:01:24 AM »
I probably should not comment on that comparison, as
I do want those that can afford a SAM/AOS4.1 system
to buy one, but I think you chose a bad way to compare
the two.

The system on eBay is very complete and has several
nice pieces of hardware.  It could be a faster model
of PPC Blizzard card, but other than that, I think
the price of a similarly equipped SAM system would be
considerably more money, for the added speed.

In other words, I think the price of that system on
eBay was high, but not unreasonable for what you get.

The hardest part for me to get past, and maybe for some
others here, is comparing the SAM against other hardware
for Windows, MacOSX, or Linux.  The cost vs benefit factor
where you really need to throw out all other OSes and
just compare the SAM/AOS4.1 system against what is
available to run the AmigaOS (or Amiga-Like MorphOS),
because that is what we are all interested in, or we
would not be here.  Thinking that way, the SAM
becomes a more interesting and acceptable answer.
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

Offline Gebrochen

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #227 on: October 03, 2008, 04:25:03 AM »
@ Amigadave:

My apologies, I was comparing to my sam system I bought with hard drive, mouse, etc, in the nexus p002 case, along with os4.1, it basically, costs less for me here in Australia to buy the sam440ep versus the Ebay auctioned Amiga classic Blizzard PPC.

Sam440ep board with 512 MB DDR Ram, ATI Radeon M9 64MB and Audio 5.1 onboard, SATA DVD-RW, SATA 80 Gb Hard Disk, Logitech Optical Mouse
667 Mhz CPU, NEXUS AVANCE P002 case 596,00 euro  
99 euro for os4.1

http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php

Cheers.

 :-D

One week to go until sammy and os4.1 arrive.
Courtesy of SAM440 Flex & Amiga OS4.1 Update 3 only & Debian
SAM Flex 800
CD32 with SX-1 Expansion & 98 Titles
x86 AROS
A1000 & A500
x86 Box Linux Cinnamon
https://blitterwolf.blogspot.com.au

 :evil: :popcorn:
 

Offline Mr_Capehill

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #228 on: October 03, 2008, 07:03:05 AM »
@Gebrochen

Exactly, because Q3A data is not GPL'd, only the sources. Just like with Q1 and Q2.
 

Offline Gebrochen

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #229 on: October 04, 2008, 02:55:13 AM »
@ All

Not to break anyones stride, but, it seems the ps3 porting may be nothing more than a dream.

I do not wish to disclose any further information.

 :-o  :devildance:  :insane:
Courtesy of SAM440 Flex & Amiga OS4.1 Update 3 only & Debian
SAM Flex 800
CD32 with SX-1 Expansion & 98 Titles
x86 AROS
A1000 & A500
x86 Box Linux Cinnamon
https://blitterwolf.blogspot.com.au

 :evil: :popcorn:
 

Offline Trev

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #230 on: October 04, 2008, 04:46:43 AM »
@amigadave

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The system on eBay is very complete and has several
nice pieces of hardware.


Rather, it did until those pieces were manhandled out of the chassis and recklessly photographed on the seller's static-loving carpet.
 

Offline persia

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #231 on: October 05, 2008, 02:29:44 AM »
Sam's not a collectable, it's a new machine, comparing a collectable with a new machine is comparing apples with oranges.

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Offline Lorraine

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« Reply #232 on: October 05, 2008, 03:20:04 AM »
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Offline Hans_

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #233 on: October 05, 2008, 03:22:41 PM »
Quote

Lorraine wrote:
Hmm..

To be honest I'm more worried about Samantha's raw performance.

The low power-consumption is good, but what about the board in general - is it any good? Has anyone done enough tests (Linux, AOS4.1) to say?


I said this earlier in this thread, but to save you from having to scan through all 232 posts, here it is again.

In terms of raw CPU power, my A1-XE G4 beats the SAM hands down. At present DVDs can be played back in reasonable quality, but it will skip frames (barely noticeable I've been told). Stephen Fellner, the author of DvPlayer, says that he might be able to optimize MPEG-2 decoding for the PowerPC 440 chip, assuming that there are enough users to warrant it.

However, the SAM 440 has DDR RAM and a memory controller without performance limiting bugs. So, for memory bandwidth limited tasks, the SAM 440 will be faster than my A1. I've been told that things load slightly faster on the SAM 440 and that it feels just as responsive as the A1 version.

Hans
http://hdrlab.org.nz/ - Amiga OS 4 projects, programming articles and more. Home of the RadeonHD driver for Amiga OS 4.x project.
 

Offline Gebrochen

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #234 on: October 06, 2008, 01:52:35 AM »
@ Persia:

It may not be a collectable, but it will be more efficient & nicer to use.
And no, comparing this to an A1 may have been more appropriate, but then again nothing wrong comparing prices versus performance.

@ Trev:

Well said mate, that carpets eaten it.

@ Hans:
SO, you telling me, to play standard dvd's shouldnt pose a problem? I hope not.
Courtesy of SAM440 Flex & Amiga OS4.1 Update 3 only & Debian
SAM Flex 800
CD32 with SX-1 Expansion & 98 Titles
x86 AROS
A1000 & A500
x86 Box Linux Cinnamon
https://blitterwolf.blogspot.com.au

 :evil: :popcorn:
 

Offline Gebrochen

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #235 on: October 06, 2008, 01:44:57 PM »
@ All: (Im tired right now)

Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up an external(or internal) amiga floppy drive onto the amiga SAM440ep?

Perhaps I can find a floppy drive that would support both, amiga and pc disks, I have heard that some people have done this, was wondering what the hardware is called, ie, I know its a floppy, but what is the model number??

Also, I assume it may be an idea for me to get a minimig, and use it through the FPGA Lattice XP with 80 pin I/O expansion connector on the sam 440ep board??

Anyway, let us know, oh and, I also have a heap of large format floppies, were it also possible to use them somehow, to perhaps find a connector plug or so??

I already have standard A1000/A500/A1200 external floppy drive, amiga, but I also have the 5"+ floppy external drive, with the old type of connector.

OK

thank you in advance!

 :-D
Courtesy of SAM440 Flex & Amiga OS4.1 Update 3 only & Debian
SAM Flex 800
CD32 with SX-1 Expansion & 98 Titles
x86 AROS
A1000 & A500
x86 Box Linux Cinnamon
https://blitterwolf.blogspot.com.au

 :evil: :popcorn:
 

Offline Hans_

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #236 on: October 06, 2008, 02:26:02 PM »
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ All: (Im tired right now)

Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up an external(or internal) amiga floppy drive onto the amiga SAM440ep?


Sam does not have a floppy drive connector. You might be able to find a USB floppy drive, but I don't know if OS4 has a driver. IIRC, there is a project on the internet somewhere to allow PC's to turn Amiga disks into ADFs. If you have a classic Amiga, it would be a good idea to use that in order to convert all your disks to ADF format.

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Also, I assume it may be an idea for me to get a minimig, and use it through the FPGA Lattice XP with 80 pin I/O expansion connector on the sam 440ep board??


How would that work? The Minimig is a standalone device that doesn't need any extra hardware. Do you mean trying to program SAM's FPGA with the Minimig design? That would require changing the design to fit. Also, some have suggested that the Lattice XP FPGA would be too small to fit the Minimig design inside.

Hans
http://hdrlab.org.nz/ - Amiga OS 4 projects, programming articles and more. Home of the RadeonHD driver for Amiga OS 4.x project.
 

Offline Colani1200

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #237 on: October 06, 2008, 03:22:43 PM »
Quote

Gebrochen wrote:

Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up an external(or internal) amiga floppy drive onto the amiga SAM440ep?


You actually might be able to do that with a Catweasel controller. Not sure about the driver situation under OS 4.1 though.
 

Offline Gebrochen

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #238 on: October 07, 2008, 01:35:08 AM »
@ Hans:

I believe it should work, as usb printers, etc also are supposed to work with os4.1. Apparently a lot of changes since os4.0 with devices that are accepted.

You mean to use my pc to convert to adf, & then use the amiga - pc connection to relay them to the amiga?

So if I got the minimig, I could plug it onto the sam's usb device, & also upload all the games??

@ Colani 1200:

Catweasel should work then, I will ask about it with Acube or Hyperion?
Courtesy of SAM440 Flex & Amiga OS4.1 Update 3 only & Debian
SAM Flex 800
CD32 with SX-1 Expansion & 98 Titles
x86 AROS
A1000 & A500
x86 Box Linux Cinnamon
https://blitterwolf.blogspot.com.au

 :evil: :popcorn:
 

Offline Hans_

Re: Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)
« Reply #239 on: October 07, 2008, 01:56:23 AM »
@Gebrochen

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I believe it should work, as usb printers, etc also are supposed to work with os4.1. Apparently a lot of changes since os4.0 with devices that are accepted.

Just because USB printers are supported doesn't mean that a USB floppy drive is. It may be, but I've never tried it.

Quote
You mean to use my pc to convert to adf, & then use the amiga - pc connection to relay them to the amiga

No. You would use your real Amiga to create the adf files (you need a machine that can read Amiga floppies) and then you copy them onto an SD card for use by the Minimig.

Quote
So if I got the minimig, I could plug it onto the sam's usb device, & also upload all the games??


The Minimig has no USB anything; you do not plug it into any other computer. You store the adf files on an SD-card which you then insert into the Minimig's SD-card slot.

Hans
http://hdrlab.org.nz/ - Amiga OS 4 projects, programming articles and more. Home of the RadeonHD driver for Amiga OS 4.x project.