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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: giZmo350 on February 22, 2021, 05:01:32 PM

Title: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: giZmo350 on February 22, 2021, 05:01:32 PM
Seems to me this would be fairly big news. New MMU Libs and ACA (iComp) Update. Would be great to get an official news report from THoR himself! Would be nice to know why there are two packages and the difference (yeah, I can read!) between the two and who the two different packages are aimed at. Seems that the processor libs are the same in each package. Especially updating ACA software? That would seem huge to those this update affects and especially since it's iComp software. I would like to know the difference between these two packages and when to use either/or. Any response from THoR would be great.  ;)

Library to ctrl the MC68K MMUs
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

MuLib aware 680x0 libraries
http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/Mu680x0Libs

I myself have 2 full 030 A1200's to now update and an 060/Rev 5 A2000 to update. Also, (I may have asked this before), is there a prefs apps to control the setting within the processor libs?

Too many questions....   :o


Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: TribbleSmasher on February 22, 2021, 05:18:11 PM
Would be great to get an official news report from THoR himself!
Too many questions....   :o
Due to some kolla-borative efforts ThoR is no longer posting here, he is now 'guest11527'....
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: giZmo350 on February 22, 2021, 05:28:28 PM
Would be great to get an official news report from THoR himself!
Too many questions....   :o
Due to some kolla-borative efforts ThoR is no longer posting here, he his now 'guest11527'....

Yeah, I know all about the Kolla taste test! I remember the day THoR slammed the door on his way out. Thanks for the tip Trib!  I hope THoR responds....  especially since he's "in charge" of some iComp software updates. I'll bet 90% of ACA owners are not even aware of this. No news on the iComp "news" page.

Not to mention....  ACA updates within an MMUlib update? WT?


Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: NinjaCyborg on February 22, 2021, 06:07:56 PM
Seriously, where are the mods in this forum? This troll kolla drives away one of the few remaining experienced devs on the platform, one giving up his time to work for free on many new developments, through his incessant bullying and spiteful criticism. How is this allowed?
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: kolla on February 23, 2021, 02:15:30 AM
You guys should really consider contacting Thomas directly and get his view on things and why he left this site.

Also: the answers to ALL your questions regarding the CPU libs and mmu.library are in the documentation - what makes you think ThoR wish to repeat them for you specifically, as if he’s your personal support guy or something? Did he write all those docs and even drawings for nothing? And all questions regarding IComp products should be directed to the IComp support channel, IComp’s forums.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: giZmo350 on February 23, 2021, 06:32:51 AM
My post wasn't a "sound the fire alarm - I wanna know what the h3ll!" Used to be that software authors would create a news entry to inform of new updates & provide a brief overview of their use. I provided links to both packages and simply asked what the two different packages are aimed towards since they seem similar. Also why would an iComp software update be in his MMU.lib update. I'm not going to go join yet another forum.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g09mpgH2/Screen-Shot-2021-02-23-at-1-03-28-AM.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wMBd2Zg0/Screen-Shot-2021-02-23-at-1-24-00-AM.png)

How do you interpret the questions I asked to "I want ALL my questions regarding the CPU libs and mmu.library answered that are in the documentation"?

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Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: NinjaCyborg on February 23, 2021, 07:44:00 AM
LOL ok so "OK to contact Thor so kolla's conscience can be salved because he has no self awareness about what a jerk he is".

"Not OK to contact Thor to ask him how his software works"

Got it.

Now get lost.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: kolla on February 23, 2021, 09:49:11 AM
My post wasn't a "sound the fire alarm - I wanna know what the h3ll!" Used to be that software authors would create a news entry to inform of new updates & provide a brief overview of their use.

It is right there in the readme, you linked to!

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I provided links to both packages and simply asked what the two different packages are aimed towards since they seem similar.

Also right there in the readmes:

* one is the full MMU package with all MMU tools etc
  (and the new thing is memory.library for those that wish to extend their programs with virtual memory support.)

* one is the CPU libraries, more aimed at those who just want a CPU library and have little interest for the MMU tools, or even don't have any MMU. This package also contains mmu.library, but more as a dependency than "the main thing" - "This library is part of the MMULib distribution. To find out more about the mmu.library and its goals, download util/libs/MMULib.lha." it says in the readme.



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Also why would an iComp software update be in his MMU.lib update.

I don't grasp why you think there is IComp software update here - there is no software update of IComp software here - to quote the readme you linked to:
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This distribution also includes a new (still experimental) MMU setup helper "ACAInit" that opens the MMU pages for some older ACA (icomp)
cards such that ACATune will hopefully continue to operate on them. To use ACAInit, copy it to LIBS:mmu, and add this command at the
end of ENVARC:MMU-Configuration. Feedback welcome.

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I'm not going to go join yet another forum.

So you refuse to even join the official support forum of the product you bought?

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How do you interpret the questions I asked to "I want ALL my questions regarding the CPU libs and mmu.library answered that are in the documentation"?

Because I found the answers to all your questions just by skimming through the readmes in the links.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: kolla on February 23, 2021, 09:53:33 AM
LOL ok so "OK to contact Thor so kolla's conscience can be salved because he has no self awareness about what a jerk he is".
"Not OK to contact Thor to ask him how his software works"

You are more than welcome to ask him about both, and anything else you may be in doubt about. Such as his current involvement in the OS development, rumours has it that he has pretty much quit, and if he has... is that my fault too?

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Now get lost.
More personal attacks. Awesome.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: NinjaCyborg on February 23, 2021, 09:57:39 AM
If only this moron could understand the irony of complaining about personal attacks on him while he attacks everyone else and spreads rumours and FUD. The next post will no doubt be an even more ironic 'stay on topic' from the king of thread topic derailing. Remember folks, the best way to deal with bullies is to call them out for the cowards that they are and laugh at them.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: giZmo350 on February 24, 2021, 03:41:21 AM
Dude....  I watched you torment Thomas over and over with your "line by line analysis" of everything he posted.

I'm not your new bish.

BTW, STFU

Jeeezuz Christ! Covid...  NWO... Masks... Covid 2... Kolla.............

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Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: Pat the Cat on February 24, 2021, 04:00:55 AM
On topic - the 68XXX.library download saves a little RAM (still work with MMULib, not for standalone use).

They also appear to address issues with superkickstart, ACA boards, and more support for Phase 5 boards (which don't all autoconfigure the same if at all).

The actual functional part of it is quite small, most of it is source and documentation.

It's optional, not required, but does save a little RAM and tries to be more compatible.

All I did was read the write up on aminet. While I do not generally use MMULib, it is there for people if they want it, and it does help with stability and greater compatibilty. At the expense of using RAM but you can''t have everything.

The reason for people using it is because they want to get the best out of a 68040 or (especially) an 68060. Nothing wrong with it. It can be used with other processors.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: giZmo350 on February 24, 2021, 05:36:15 AM
I use THoR's MMU.library everyday on three machines! AAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!

Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: kolla on February 24, 2021, 08:24:07 AM
So what do you guys use the mmulib for? Which "Mutool" do you use, and why? Or do you just dump in the libs and consider yourself done? :)
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: F1Lupo on February 24, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
@ gizmo350
ya ThoR's been no show here since that OS3.2 thread got out of hand..heck even the 'new' OS3.2 thread over at EAB he's been a no show for a while sadly...hope it's just the usual Amiga 'politics' and the guys doing well
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: Pat the Cat on February 24, 2021, 11:19:01 PM
@ gizmo350
ya ThoR's been no show here since that OS3.2 thread got out of hand..heck even the 'new' OS3.2 thread over at EAB he's been a no show for a while sadly...hope it's just the usual Amiga 'politics' and the guys doing well

Odd, I've been having exchanges with him on "TD64" thread and other places.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: kolla on February 25, 2021, 12:28:00 AM
No you haven’t, you’re mixing up people again... sigh
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: Pat the Cat on February 25, 2021, 12:51:21 AM
ThoR, Thomas Rupp... easy mistake to make.

The snag with installing MMULibs is people choose "expert" when they aren't one, from what I gather. Too many options, because it's trying to cover every Amiga with a 68020 processor or higher.
Title: Re: NEW MMU Libs & ACA Update
Post by: giZmo350 on February 25, 2021, 01:00:31 AM
His name is Thomas Rapp (not Rupp). Here's his website....

https://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/index.html