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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: minator on July 31, 2011, 07:11:07 PM
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I am auctioning the Amiga Walker right here an Amiga.org:
The Walker is the very last of the Classic Amiga range.
It was to be the successor to the A1200 but never made it beyond prototype stage.
It is exceedingly rare, there are only 2 (or possibly 3) in existence.
The Machine is a prototype made of some plastic, almost card like material so it is very fragile. It has its own custom motherboard that was clearly still in development.
Does it work?
No. Power appears to be getting to it but it does nothing beyond that.
It used to boot years ago but it was erratic even then.
Can be made to work?
Sorry, don't know.
Will it boot?
No. The RDB of the disc was overwritten by Windows 98. It should be easy to fix this but I don't have the means.
What else is included?
Original black painted Keyboard.
Amiga branded black mouse (left button is dead).
Amiga branded CRT Monitor M1438S
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All bids MUST be via PM on Amiga.org.
Collect from Cambridge UK (I'm about 4 hours from Paris by train).
OR
Shipped via courier in a wooden crate with full insurance.
Shipping will cost a *lot* of money. Packing and shipping could cost in the region of £150 - £350 depending on the destination.
That's *not* including the monitor which could cost as much again, if not more!
This is additional to the price being bidded.
Expect to pay customs fees if outside the EU.
I strongly recommend collection if at all possible.
Payment via Paypal or bank transfer.
If you are interested bid via PM. I'll list the current (anonymous) max bid in the thread.
Starting at £250.
I plan to end the auction at 22:00 UK time on Sunday (7th August).
Note: I reserve the right to ignore silly bids and snipers.
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Wow!!!
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Cool. I had no idea that these were ever anything more than mock ups.
Every day's a school day. :-)
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First question When does the biding end?
Plus why have you chosen to do it this way and not though ebay or something, its kind of unusually way of doing it, plus you could quite easily keep saying someone has out bided the top bid and whos to know other than your self. Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that, it just be better and clearer on ebay to know where the current bid is.
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PM sent!
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PM sent :)
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If whoever buys this ever gets it working, please post pics for us all at a.org
To be honest I wouldn't bid, I would much rather someone with more hardware knowhow got it and made it work.
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@minator
You forgot the link for the info pages.
http://www.blachford.info/computer/walker/walker.html
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First question When does the biding end?
Don't know yet, I'll probably leave it about a week.
Plus why have you chosen to do it this way and not though ebay or something, its kind of unusually way of doing it,
I'm lazy. It was easier to write a post here.
plus you could quite easily keep saying someone has out bided the top bid and whos to know other than your self. Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that, it just be better and clearer on ebay to know where the current bid is.
You're giving me ideas here :-o
But this is a good point, I didn't really think about this. I'm not going to list names because people might not want to say what they're bid. But if they want to put it in the thread thats fine.
What I can do is, when I list the highest, I'll list all the bids. That way the highest bidder can see their bid. If there are serious questions I can talk to the Mods.
That said, I'm not in dire need of the money so I'm not worried about how much it goes for.
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I know this is going to sound harsh and I do not wish to offend anyone but I hope the next buyer would be somebody who actually knows something about the Amiga and can get it working. With everything that I've read, there is no reason not to be able to get this booted. There are a number of Amiga experts on this site that could combine their skills to have this running. When I say experts I do not mean me. My Amiga expertise went with the early 90s.
I hope whoever buys it this time:
-Gets it working
-Dumps the hardware and software
-Has fun! :=)
Cheers!
-P
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To whoever gets the Walker, I would like to offer my services to assist in reconstruction of the software.
I'm Jason McMullan, one of the AROS m68k developers, and am keenly interested in the ROM and DH0: dumps.
I should be able to help reconstruct the RDB, and generate a bootable image that could be put on a CF device (to replace the aging hard drive).
The ROM dump itself would be especially interesting to Toni Wilen (who is also a key figure in AROS m68k development) as it would allow him to determine what (if anything) needs to be added to WinUAE to emulate the Walker.
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I remember your post back in March when you were considering selling the walker:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56227&highlight=walker
As already requested who ever wins the auction should really make a backup of the roms and distribute them.
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That reminds me - I need a new hoover! :-)
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That said, I'm not in dire need of the money so I'm not worried about how much it goes for.
This is an item I wish could go into the hands of people who could do something with it. For example, the Natami team are working on a board that essentially does what the Walker set out to do. Several guys are doing custom cases, I've seen a remake of the C64 case recently. Maybe they could do a walker case..
Maybe I'm biased, but I love the case design of it.. I'd rather have THIS on my desk than a boring looking PC.
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Hi mate,
You mentioned in the previous thread you were able to make a backup of the ROM. Have you made this public yet?
Cheers,
Chris
I am auctioning the Amiga Walker right here an Amiga.org:
The Walker is the very last of the Classic Amiga range.
It was to be the successor to the A1200 but never made it beyond prototype stage.
It is exceedingly rare, there are only 2 (or possibly 3) in existence.
The Machine is a prototype made of some plastic, almost card like material so it is very fragile. It has its own custom motherboard that was clearly still in development.
Does it work?
No. Power appears to be getting to it but it does nothing beyond that.
It used to boot years ago but it was erratic even then.
Can be made to work?
Sorry, don't know.
Will it boot?
No. The RDB of the disc was overwritten by Windows 98. It should be easy to fix this but I don't have the means.
What else is included?
Original black painted Keyboard.
Amiga branded black mouse (left button is dead).
Amiga branded CRT Monitor M1438S
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Collect only from Cambridge UK (I'm about 4 hours from Paris by train).
Payment via Paypal or bank transfer.
If you are interested bid via PM. I'll list the current (anonymous) max bid in the thread.
Starting at £250.
Note: I reserve the right to ignore silly bids and snipers.
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Several guys are doing custom cases, I've seen a remake of the C64 case recently. Maybe they could do a walker case..
Maybe I'm biased, but I love the case design of it.. I'd rather have THIS on my desk than a boring looking PC.
That reminds me, did anyone see what salax54 pulled off with his mod of this case, it pritty neat!
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm242/salax54/WALKER68A.jpg)
Orginal Thread and loads more pics
http://www.amigahellas.gr/showthread.php?5753-Walker-project/page3
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Minator: can you post some pictures please? Was the machine working before fail?
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Minator: can you post some pictures please?
Will do.
Was the machine working before fail?
It did work at one stage yes. It was incredibly temperamental and difficult to get it going but it did actually work.
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One day and it's gone silly already!
Bids so far at 22:12 on 1st August2011:
£300
£330 (might be $!)
£350
£500 (not confirmed)
£800
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ROM and OS would be nice to see.
Could you tell us, what was difference with Walker Amiga OS to older Amiga OSs? Or was there diffrence at all?? Could it boot from CD?
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Here are some new pictures (with measurements!) I took a while back.
There's also some pics of the numerous patches - you can tell it's a prototype!
http://www.blachford.info/computer/walker/Walker2011/
As for the ROM and HD, images were made of these a while back.
I have passed them to someone who has a license to distribute them.
In answer to the question above I believe it's just a modified 3.1. As for the CD-ROM drive, I didn't ever see it working.
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Top bid of £800? Looks like I'm well out of this one now :( I put in a bid for the max I could afford, lol...
I just hope whoever gets it will put the time into fixing it :)
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this site also has a auction function. although i only seen it used once and to little effect
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As for the ROM and HD, images were made of these a while back.
I have passed them to someone who has a license to distribute them.
Who could possibly have the license to distribute unborn hardware and software, Satan ?
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I think and hope Cloanto have got them, and it be nice to see if they did make a virtual Amiga Walker setting in Amiga Forever.
Well I'm bidded out, I put in £300 and set my absolute limit to £600, I could still go for it but that would mean no AmigaONE X1000 for me, and I would quite like to get one of them. I do hope who ever get it, bring it to shows and dont mess around with the insides too much and just take good care of it.
PS: has petro still got the other prototype or is that this one? wasn't their three made, two with cases and one just the motherboard, any one know what happened to the others?
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Is OS visually similar than OS 3.1?? Could you try to extrat rom with remus and tell us what is inside it?
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you mean someone would pay for Walker??
/ducks
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No new bids but I do keep getting asked about will I post it.
I am *very* reluctant to post it.
I've had things posted to me that have been thrown about quite badly. I once had a PC sent to me and all the polystyrene abound it was broken.
The Walker is *very* fragile so won't survive any abuse at all.
The only thing I can think of is to dismantle it, package the parts up separately and send them that way.
Even then, I can not guarantee it will survive the journey.
Hard cases is a better option but they'd be expensive and I don't even know where you'd get them.
Then there's the cost of sending it and insurance, if it's outside the EU there's also customs to deal with.
Coming here by car or train is a far safer option.
This is why I have put it as collect only.
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I think and hope Cloanto have got them.
;-)
I do hope who ever get it, bring it to shows and dont mess around with the insides too much and just take good care of it.
PS: has petro still got the other prototype or is that this one? wasn't their three made, two with cases and one just the motherboard, any one know what happened to the others?
To my knowledge there were a few boards made but only 2 or 3 were placed in the case.
Petro told me it was 2, he has one of them.
This page says 3 were put in the cases and also says about Workbench 3.2.
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b32_40.html
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FYI I plan to end the auction at 22:00 UK time on Sunday (7th August).
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Is this the same Walker which was showcased at Amiga Benelux Show 2003(?) (where also the stillborn Amiga.org Magazine was 'released').
http://www.bambi-amiga.co.uk/reports/benelux_report/folder4/picpage/page21.htm
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If I was lucky enough to own this, first thing I'd do would be to replace the beige CD-ROM and floppy drive with black ones.
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If I owned it, I'd set to work on making reproduction cases, and outsource the HW to be used to make newer HW, and then loan it to museums, to make money.
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Then you'd get sued into nonexistence by the patent, copyright, and trademark owner. Just like we saved you and us from in the other topic.
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If I owned it, I'd set to work on making reproduction cases, and outsource the HW to be used to make newer HW, and then loan it to museums, to make money.
Or you could reproduce the case, put a PC inside it and yell "The Amiga Walker lives again, the wait is over!" and everyone will go crazy.
Wait, was that too sarcastic towards someone certain? Nah, I don't think so.
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Wait, was that too sarcastic towards someone certain? Nah, I don't think so.
I think you got just the right amount of sarcasm in there!
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Then you'd get sued into nonexistence by the patent, copyright, and trademark owner. Just like we saved you and us from in the other topic.
Because they're obviously doing so much with the patent, copyright, and trademark now.
Stupid lawyers. :(
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Because they're obviously doing so much with the patent, copyright, and trademark now.
Stupid lawyers. :(
Didn't Merlancia buy the rights to the Walker case?
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Is this the same Walker which was showcased at Amiga Benelux Show 2003(?) (where also the stillborn Amiga.org Magazine was 'released').
The very same. BTW I'll be leaving the Walker web pages up, can I use that pic?
Didn't Merlancia buy the rights to the Walker case?
Nope. They claimed to buy them, but I don't think they even spoke to the owner.
Amiga Technologies didn't own it either - they never paid for it!
Hmm, I should really update the web page sometime, I've collected various bits over the years I could put up.
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If I was lucky enough to own this, first thing I'd do would be to replace the beige CD-ROM and floppy drive with black ones.
On something of this rarity I wouldn't (and didn't) change anything.
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The very same. BTW I'll be leaving the Walker web pages up, can I use that pic?
Better ask the website owner ;) (ryu / darren).
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Or you could reproduce the case, put a PC inside it and yell "The Amiga Walker lives again, the wait is over!" and everyone will go crazy.
Wait, was that too sarcastic towards someone certain? Nah, I don't think so.
Sarcasm aside, if someone were to do this (at a semi-reasonable price) I would buy one, especially if I could get it without the PC motherboard, and stick something like the FPGA Arcade in it. I always liked the Walker design :)
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The cases shape may or may not be covered by a patent. These were prototypes after all. With a case you can produce a mould and use it to make copies. You could provide Amiga stickers for the end user to put on themselves. Sell the cases.
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Maybe if someone gets one of those 3D printers we can attempt to remake the case.
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Just do it and ask questions later. I'd buy a replica Walker case in a heartbeat. With or without diy labels.
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Update:
I have finally found a way that I can ship it that I would be happy with.
It will cost a *lot* of money. Packing and shipping could cost in the region of £150 - £350 depending on the destination.
That's shipped via courier in a wooden crate with full insurance.
That's *not* include the monitor which could cost as much again, if not more!
This is additional to the price being bidded.
Expect to pay customs fees if outside the EU.
So, if you're mad enough to pay shipping costs like that, you do not have to collect.
That said, I still strongly recommend collection if at all possible.
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Then you'd get sued into nonexistence by the patent, copyright, and trademark owner. Just like we saved you and us from in the other topic.
Yeah, you don't want to piss off Dyson.
http://www.dyson.com/vacuums/default.asp
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Sure you can use my photo, just so long as you provide a link back.
My Amiga webserver has now been running continuously without a reboot now for 95 days, I'm aiming for 100 days of uptime!
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Update:
1 more bid at £900.
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Still lurking around I see :).
Go Bambi! Isn't the memory fragmented to hell yet?
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It's now up to £950 (confirmed).
Please note: All bids MUST be via PM on Amiga.org
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Now £1000!
Remember, it finishes tonight at 10PM.
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now £1000!
Remember, it finishes tonight at 10pm.
panic!!!!
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Not time to do a hold-up at a bank (a Sunday) ... even the banks haven't money.
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Sold for £1100
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Sold for £1100
Damn I was £1050 out! :roflmao:
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And I thought A4000Ts were expensive.
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damn i was £1050 out! :roflmao:
rotfl!
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I have to admit that I thought it would go for more.
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So, whose the lucky owner and whats his plans for it?
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So, whose the lucky owner and whats his plans for it?
Tedd bought it to run netscape on it.
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$1,806.42 conversion into US dollars at the moment.
That would probably buy half to three quarters of an X1000 in a few months. What was that buyer thinking? :rofl:
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...and the winner is...Trevor? no! CUSA? no! Frieden brothers? no! Bill G.? no! Steve J.? no! Dave Haynie? no! Gateway 2000? no! Bill&Rachael? no! Petro T.Tyschschenko? no! Wayne H? DiscreetFX? :)
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Sold for £1100
...or 1 262,42 EUR :)
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It was probably a stockbroker looking for a safe investment.
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Well whoever is the new owner I hope they backup the ROM's and document everything, it would be very interesting!
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According to Amiga Forever on Facebook, the roms have been dumped and it's booting successfully under Amiga Forever...
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334926025469.396260.52793565468&type=1#!/media/set/?set=a.10150334926025469.396260.52793565468&type=1
"Amiga Forever Running Walker Prototype OS
Before selling his precious Walker Amiga prototype, Nicholas Blachford graciousl...y shared a dump of the 3.2 beta ROM and disk files with us.
As you can see, the unmodified content runs just fine in Amiga Forever. It was nice to see that the Walker also had Cloanto's Personal Paint installed."
Steve
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so now we need someone to share those roms :)
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The owner probably hasn't even gotten it home yet, lets give him a chance. Once he has it, I imagine he will dump the rom and such. The case, I'm thinking someone shoudl come out with a Walker style case for the minimig or something.
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The owner probably hasn't even gotten it home yet, lets give him a chance. Once he has it, I imagine he will dump the rom and such. The case, I'm thinking someone shoudl come out with a Walker style case for the minimig or something.
Please let someone come up with case replicas. I would buy one!
Just out of interest, does anyone know if the Walker OS is any different from 3.1, beyond supporting the Walker's hardware and possibly a few bugfixes? Or would the ROM dumps be purely of historical interest?
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I would imagine whatever the ROMs contain would benefit the community, in one way or another. What I'm interested in is if we can get the owner to dump the workbench it contains, then see if the ROM and bench will boot another system.
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If these get posted somewhere could a kind Amiga users PM me? I would love to try this out. It has been a long time since I worked with a beta AmigaOS! :-)
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I would imagine whatever the ROMs contain would benefit the community, in one way or another. What I'm interested in is if we can get the owner to dump the workbench it contains, then see if the ROM and bench will boot another system.
I imagine it'll just be 3.1 with support from booting from CD. Probably with a new splash screen on startup.
Nothing too dramatic.
Come to think of it, would it be possible to make a custom KS ROM to enable a 1200 to boot from CD?
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I imagine it'll just be 3.1 with support from booting from CD. Probably with a new splash screen on startup.
Nothing too dramatic.
Come to think of it, would it be possible to make a custom KS ROM to enable a 1200 to boot from CD?
God, wouldn't it be nice to be able to restore your Amiga HD from CD ROM by simply sticking in a CD and letting it boot just like Windoze, instead of buggering around with floppy disks, CDs, patches, etc.
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After some time sorting out how to send it, the Walker is finally with its new owner :-)
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so now we need someone to share those roms :)
YEY - he did :D tx !!
Hopefully it rains this weekend so I have an excuse to try it :p
Tom UK
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God, wouldn't it be nice to be able to restore your Amiga HD from CD ROM by simply sticking in a CD and letting it boot just like Windoze, instead of buggering around with floppy disks, CDs, patches, etc.
Man, what rock have you been living under?:lol: Te A3000/A4000(T) with cyberstorm ppc and a scsi cdrom drive has done this forever.:rtfm:
The cyberstorm ppc has cd support built into the flash rom so its useable at boot time.you simply set it in the cyberstorm early boot menu.
you could also probabaly do the same by storing it in the deneb flash or a elbox flash card.
not sure if the blizzard cards supports this.. i somehow doubt it.
Mech
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Man, what rock have you been living under?:lol: Te A3000/A4000(T) with cyberstorm ppc and a scsi cdrom drive has done this forever.:rtfm:
The cyberstorm ppc has cd support built into the flash rom so its useable at boot time.you simply set it in the cyberstorm early boot menu.
you could also probabaly do the same by storing it in the deneb flash or a elbox flash card.
not sure if the blizzard cards supports this.. i somehow doubt it.
Mech
meh, cdroms are out of fashion, it should do USB boot nowadays..
oh, wait, deneb does it?
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meh, cdroms are out of fashion, it should do USB boot nowadays..
oh, wait, deneb does it?
Well it could be a dvd burner,or anything,he mentioned cdrom so thats what i replied about.
Yes it should be possible to put a cdfs in the debeb that shows up at boottime.
mech
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Can't wait to try this on my new Walker system, but I shant be dumping the ROMs, as you are all cnuts.
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Can't wait to try this on my new Walker system, but I shant be dumping the ROMs, as you are all cnuts.
What's a cnut? :confused: Is it a fruit?
Whatever.... so much did you pay for it? Photos would be nice :)
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What's a cnut? :confused: Is it a fruit?
Whatever.... so much did you pay for it? Photos would be nice :)
Sorry, meant to say '****s'
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So where to download this Kick 3.2 ? I want it !
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I imagine it'll just be 3.1 with support from booting from CD. Probably with a new splash screen on startup.
Nothing too dramatic.
Info on KS3.2 has been available for ages at http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b32_40.html
Its an interesting read. :)
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So where to download this Kick 3.2 ? I want it !
Take a look at the pirate bay...
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Downloaded ! Thanks ck007...
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Downloaded ! Thanks ck007...
:D
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Downloading...
Thanks
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Kickstart and workbench, working on the FPGA ARCADE Replay. :-)
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It's a shame really, with the case it would be easy enough to make a mould and turn out lots of little Walker clones....
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It's a shame really, with the case it would be easy enough to make a mould and turn out lots of little Walker clones....
im working on it as we speak :)
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By the way, what does "HWG" stand for? It is in the Walker rom
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can someone share the files (kick+wb+what ever) with me
thanx
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You got PM!
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nevermind
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The only changes seem to be on the kickstart, the workbench is 3.1 with the Magic Pack (Organiser, ScalaMM, Wordworth, etc).
The kickstart rom seems to be a simple 3.1, 512KB size with the following changes:
exec.library 43.4 (10.3.96)
scsi.device 40.20 (18.2.94)
expansion.library 43.2 (10.3.96)
strap 43.1 (8.3.96)
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The only changes seem to be on the kickstart, the workbench is 3.1 with the Magic Pack (Organiser, ScalaMM, Wordworth, etc).
The kickstart rom seems to be a simple 3.1, 1MB size with the following changes:
exec.library 43.4 (10.3.96)
scsi.device 40.20 (18.2.94)
expansion.library 43.2 (10.3.96)
strap 43.1 (8.3.96)
Worth adding to your BB4 installer?
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Worth adding to your BB4 installer?
I am curious about the new features/fixes of both scsi.device and exec.library, and then see if they are worthy.
Anyway, first things first ;)
I have just emailed Doobrey to ask for Walker module rom splitting support in Remus.
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im working on it as we speak :)
Put me down for one!
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Put me down for one!
+1
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I am curious about the new features/fixes of both scsi.device and exec.library, and then see if they are worthy.
Anyway, first things first ;)
I have just emailed Doobrey to ask for Walker module rom splitting support in Remus.
:D
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Someone should burn it to an A1200 and see if they work?
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Someone should burn it to an A1200 and see if they work?
It works under WinUAE with an A1200 config, so I see no objections for working on a real A1200.
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scsi could be systemspecific (walkerhardware only) useless ...
expansion support for the "other" non-zorrobus useless ...
exec with "beta-requester" and different text ...
strap .. cant find differences simple ref. bump and able to display more text ?!
@gulliver: 9mb file? i allready own it ...
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scsi could be systemspecific (walkerhardware only) useless ...
expansion support for the "other" non-zorrobus useless ...
exec with "beta-requester" and different text ...
strap .. cant find differences simple ref. bump and able to display more text ?!
@gulliver: 9mb file? i allready own it ...
Mmm........
What a dissapointment so far...
and what about scsi.device? Does it feature large HDD support? If so, upto which size? Maybe as the interface of the Walker was IDE, it has some sort of Gayle (A600/A1200) compatibility.
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YEY - he did :D tx !!
Wasn't me!
Someone has ripped that from Amiga Forever - the original has other application files.
Besides, I only have raw reads of the ROMs, I doubt they're bootable without combining them.
FYI: I was always reluctant to give them out as I didn't have the rights to and it'd be easily traceable.
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It works under WinUAE with an A1200 config, so I see no objections for working on a real A1200.
No pcmcia support confirmed :(
Anyway, it can easily be enabled with loadmodule ;)
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Wasn't me!
Someone has ripped that from Amiga Forever - the original has other application files.
Besides, I only have raw reads of the ROMs, I doubt they're bootable without combining them.
FYI: I was always reluctant to give them out as I didn't have the rights to and it'd be easily traceable.
@minator
What's missing the from Amiga Forever release of the walker HDD dumps?
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No pcmcia support confirmed :(
Anyway, it can easily be enabled with loadmodule ;)
The Walker PCMCIA port might well be different from the A1200 so not too strange althogh something should likely be in the ROM to support it. I've always seen the Walker as a A1200 remake, especialy after seeing the PCMCIA port and A1200 style keyboard connecotr.
Was always under the impression the ROM was 1MB to fit in a few new things incl newer filesystem to support >4GB, SCSI.device and other mondified to support CD on boot?
Most disapointing is that it isn't WB3.2 installed. :(
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Wasn't me!
Someone has ripped that from Amiga Forever - the original has other application files.
Besides, I only have raw reads of the ROMs, I doubt they're bootable without combining them.
FYI: I was always reluctant to give them out as I didn't have the rights to and it'd be easily traceable.
Well... not so easily traceable now? ;)
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@minator
What's missing the from Amiga Forever release of the walker HDD dumps?
There's a copy of Scala (IIRC MM300) on the original.
I'd be interested to see how it runs on AmigaForever - the timing was all screwed up on the Walker.
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There's a copy of Scala (IIRC MM300) on the original.
I'd be interested to see how it runs on AmigaForever - the timing was all screwed up on the Walker.
Scala family products run great on WinUAE since ages. I used all of them (I am guilty of being a fan of them). You only need to properly adjust the emulation settings.
BTW, you can get Scala MM300 from many places, even for free and without dongles, if you know where to look for.
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tried the Walker rom/os out today in winuae... still tx to the person sharing, but what a waste of time... it's really a basic 3.1