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Offline psxphill

Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #14 from previous page: September 17, 2016, 09:11:26 AM »
Quote from: AmigaOldskooler;814015
In that speech he said that they've made a big number of boards and that they would be low in price. Trevor then said that with an increase of new users, they would see more software sales. These sales would cover the losses on the boards.


I wonder how much software they need people to buy before they don't lose money. I admire him for taking the risk, but I'm glad it's not my money.

"Last year we sold 1000 boards and made a 5000€ loss. This year we've exceeded expectations and sold 10000 boards which has pushed our losses to 50000€ euros. Next year we hope to sell 100000 boards".
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2016, 12:15:29 AM »
Quote from: Jezry;814260
Haha.
I did not just mean old games new ones as well.
And ofcourse browsing.


It sounds like you want AROS running on a ps3.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2016, 12:48:39 AM »
Quote from: Jezry;814309
That would have been something :) but on xbox 360 :roflmao:


PS3 is the Amiga to the Xbox 360's ST.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2016, 09:42:32 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;814374
?!
The processor in the XBOX360 was definitely easier to program for than the PS3's weird Cell BE layout with it satellite spes.


Yeah, xbox 360 was just bog standard like the ST. While Amiga had copper and blitter that needed special coding skills

Quote from: Iggy;814374
I really don't see your comparison, and besides the PS3 really needed more memory.


Amiga needed more memory too, although you could upgrade the ram a lot easier than a PS3.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2016, 09:30:35 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;815043
As far as coding skills, using hardware features is hardly a special skill.

I think there is plenty of evidence that disproves that.

Getting the most out of the Amiga and the PS3 is much harder than getting the most out of the ST and the 360.

Going back further to the c64 and spectrum, you saw the best spectrum games quite early on in the life of the computer and then it reached a peak. The benefit of time and sharing of knowledge has allowed people to create software that would have blown away c64 users in 1983.
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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2016, 04:51:46 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;815043
You can't add memory to the Cell BE, and it uses a very unusual type of memory.


Sounds a bit like chip memory then, which is also impossible to increase on the Amiga (unless you cheat and re-implement the chipset, which maybe someone will do for the ps3 in 20 years time).

Quote from: Iggy;815074
With time, people always figure out new tricks to use hardware that produce innovative results.


I don't see that happening on the Atari-ST or Spectrum as much as the C64 and to a less extent the Amiga though.

Quote from: Iggy;815074
The fact is that the PS3 is just a pain in the ass to program,


It's easy to program the PS3, it's hard to program it well. Which proves my point about specialist hardware being difficult to code for.

Quote from: Iggy;815074
has limited memory


All console hardware has limited memory. Fixed configuration systems has good and bad points.

Quote from: Iggy;815074
, and in time it really hasn't produced that many creative uses of its weird hardware configuration.


Games made better use of the SPE's over time, which I would class as creative.

Quote from: Iggy;815074
And the Amiga and C64 aren't that hard to code for by the standards of their day. In some ways their more advanced hardware makes some functions easier.


Getting up to 8 sprites on the screen is easier on the c64 than on the spectrum. But when you've learned how to do that on the spectrum, then ramping up to more than 8 sprites is a lot easier than on the c64.

Similar to how you can dump something on an SPE quite easily, but doing it well is hard.

Anyway, I think this is OT enough now.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2016, 11:36:04 PM »
Quote from: magnetic;815134
Mini its form factor is awesome and the price is going to be VERY good news for the community!


I wonder what would happen if people started cloning the boards. They are selling them at cost, so they shouldn't be upset. As long as users can buy a separate license for amigaos 4 of course.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2016, 12:01:16 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;815138
psxphil
thats not correct logic really. They have a sizable investment and we need to buy the boards from them not another provider.  we should reward them for putting a lot of money into this project with no expectation for profitability


I was assuming a clone wouldn't be available immediately and they wouldn't have ordered more board than they could easily sell in six months.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2016, 12:20:57 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;815142
Not nearly as easy a task as you make it sound.
 Those boards have several layers, and those layers/layouts are not known.
 You aren't going to be able to just 'clone' them.
 Its not like a plant where you can take cuttings. ;)


If you know the right people then multiple layers is not an issue. Or you can just find someone to bribe at the manufacturers.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2016, 12:55:10 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;815146
I have to say this is rather absurd lol. cloning a board that just came out. do you realize how much money it would take for you just to do one prototype?

You know there are companies in the far east that specialise in board cloning? It's not that expensive to get a board made if you have access to the equipment (like CSG/MOS were able to turn round prototype chip in a couple of weeks. There is likely a reference design that could be tweaked anyway.

Why is it absurd doing it when it comes out? The only reason it would be absurd is if someone doesn't think it's worth the effort, because they couldn't do it cheap enough or there aren't enough people to buy them. Then they'll go on and clone something else.

3com networking products were big a few years ago, although they tried to keep it quiet for some reason.
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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2016, 07:59:00 PM »
Quote from: magnetic;815149
my point is the board will be made by a reliable company for a fair price why in the world are we talking about chinese clones? lol


Because they say they are selling it at cost, so they aren't making money on it. This means there isn't going to be money available to invest in pushing down the cost. To me it would seem more logical to let the market compete for the business.

Of course if nobody is interested in competing then it's a moot point. But as it runs Linux then there is a market outside of AmigaOS, if it can be made cheap enough. Which at the current price it isn't cheap enough.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2016, 08:16:44 AM »
Quote from: kamelito;815437
Software will be the driving force here not HW.

That is how they hope to make money, but aiming your market at people with a passion for a retro computer means that is an uphill struggle.

I accept that it's cheaper than previous ng amiga boards. When you compare it to the rest of the market, it has a weak price to performance ratio.

The IBM PC only became the defacto standard because of clones.
 

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Re: New ppc board by Acube/A-Eon: A1222 "Tabor"
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2016, 08:04:01 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;815467
Why should anyone clone this board?


To make money?