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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: amigakit on February 16, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
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A-EON Technology Ltd (http://www.a-eon.com) is pleased to announce that it has concluded the purchase of the source code and exclusive rights to develop, publish and distribute MED, OctaMED and OctaMED SoundStudio for the AmigaOS and Amiga-inspired operating systems, including MorphOS, AROS and emulation from the current owner Ray Burt Frost. As part of the sale agreement A-EON has the exclusive right to use the MED, OctaMED and OctaMED SoundStudio in all product marketing, promotion and branding for AmigaOS and Next-Generation AmigaOS inspired versions including emulation.
Read More Here (http://www.a-eon.com/?news=17-02-2015)
PDF News Release (http://a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_OCTAMED.pdf)
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A-EON Technology Ltd (http://www.a-eon.com) is pleased to announce that it has concluded the purchase of the source code and exclusive rights to develop, publish and distribute MED, OctaMED and OctaMED SoundStudio for the AmigaOS and Amiga-inspired operating systems, including MorphOS, AROS and emulation from the current owner Ray Burt Frost. As part of the sale agreement A-EON has the exclusive right to use the MED, OctaMED and OctaMED SoundStudio in all product marketing, promotion and branding for AmigaOS and Next-Generation AmigaOS inspired versions including emulation.
Read More Here (http://www.a-eon.com/?news=17-02-2015)
PDF News Release (http://a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_OCTAMED.pdf)
Gratulation
Why I am not surprised now :-)
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Thanks :)
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This is exceptional news! Alas, my Efika will be used till smoke is running out of it! Freaking awesome!
Now if ALL of the next Gen Amigas can get decent MIDI support.
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I'm loving how all the iconic Amiga applications are getting regrouped under one umbrella organization. It also seems smart that if you are selling an AOS4.x machine then you need to have decent and unique applications to run on it that aren't just ports from Linux or Window. As much as I like Gimp, OpenOffice and Blender, when I can already get them for other platforms it doesn't give me much incentive to use them on the Amiga. The promise of Amiga-only applications like Aladdin4d, ImageFX and OctaMED being optimized and developed under OS4 make me start thinking about getting an OS4 machine.
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Excellent news, as this is one one piece of Amiga Software that I still use... Question though, what happened to the PC version?
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As I recall, Trevor's remarks at Amiwest on the future of the X1000 (and beyond) was a paradigm shift from hardware to software; it follows the original Amiga concept of, "If you build it, he will come." Once there is the hardward, the next step forward is the software that brings the Dream to fruition.
Acquiring and redeveloping the great software in the Amiga's past is what will drive the current (and forthcoming) generation of Amigas into the future. Hence, "You go girl!"
[Perhaps Shoeless Joe Jackson will pop up as well]
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Nice! :)
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Nice! Now ... when will we see MorphOS/AROS ports of your recent purchases? :D
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Awesome news! This was a great program back in the day.
I know there's been much 'hammer bumping' by myself and others, but can you give us any realistic possibility if you will be doing the same for IBrowse? I'm sure it wouldn't take much, even if you just optimized the code a bit (am sure there have been compiler improvements in the last decade since a version was released), add a couple skins or a wallpaper or something, and bump the version number up by .1, and it would probably sell a couple hundred copies just like that, haha. ;)
:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
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Iconic move A-EON:hammer::knuddel::pint::banana:
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Great, I love OctaMed, now I hope future releases will include 68K and not only be NG exclusive :)
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Great, I love OctaMed, now I hope future releases will include 68K and not only be NG exclusive :)
A-EON have stated in the past that they are committed to 68k and have already delivered an updated PPaint.
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A-EON have stated in the past that they are committed to 68k and have already delivered an updated PPaint.
Bought PPaint and sure will buy this also if they keep developing for 68K.
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[I would also like to see the features of Lyle Haze's new sound program]
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Awesome news. Keep it up, A-Eon!
Now if only they could buy Hyperion and Amiga, Inc's assets :D
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this is good news, can you also buy Music-X whilst your on a shopping spree!
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Awesome news. Keep it up, A-Eon!
Now if only they could buy Hyperion and Amiga, Inc's assets :D
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000. :hammer:
-- eliyahu
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Nice! Now ... when will we see MorphOS/AROS ports of your recent purchases? :D
They already said in the PPaint thread... if those communities get some bounty money together they may consider a port to AROS or MorphOS.
Without, it's 68k and OS4 they're developing for.
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Yeah! :banana:
$D418 #FF :)
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Been wanting to purchase a copy for a long time... never got around to it, but now I'm re-ignited.
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They already said in the PPaint thread... if those communities get some bounty money together they may consider a port to AROS or MorphOS.
Without, it's 68k and OS4 they're developing for.
If so, they should not tempt us with "possible MorphOS and AROS versions". If they want a bounty or a pre-order system (I prefer the latter. Then we don't have to pay double for the products) then they should just make it happen and watch the money rolling in.
Add a "preorder for MorphOS" and "preorder for AROS (x86 and x64)" on your homepage, with a counter telling how many orders left that is needed and withdraw the money once it reaches zero.
Waiting for the community to figure out how to make money for you is kinda lazy :p
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If so, they should not tempt us with "possible MorphOS and AROS versions". If they want a bounty or a pre-order system (I prefer the latter. Then we don't have to pay double for the products) then they should just make it happen and watch the money rolling in.
Add a "preorder for MorphOS" and "preorder for AROS (x86 and x64)" on your homepage, with a counter telling how many orders left that is needed and withdraw the money once it reaches zero.
Waiting for the community to figure out how to make money for you is kinda lazy :p
I agree.
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OS3.1 compatible and clean 68k binaries work everywhere, no big deal with MorphOS and AROS versions. I'm sure they are even prepared to fix minor issues to make sure it works flawlessly on MorphOS and AROS.
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OS3.1 compatible and clean 68k binaries work everywhere, no big deal with MorphOS and AROS versions. I'm sure they are even prepared to fix minor issues to make sure it works flawlessly on MorphOS and AROS.
That would make me almost as happy. But not quite. I would still prefer that we all play nice with each other instead.
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OS3.1 compatible and clean 68k binaries work everywhere, no big deal with MorphOS and AROS versions. I'm sure they are even prepared to fix minor issues to make sure it works flawlessly on MorphOS and AROS.
That's another point, and come to think of it, I believe that all that prevents it from working under MorphOS is AHI support.
As for AROS, well perhaps a bounty could be raise to lease the source or what ever, and pay someone to write a port with the bounty, though again... us so called Next Gen Amiga users lack many media based features that we now take for granted on the classic Amiga, like MIDI support.
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Software and Hardware together. Sounds like a plan.
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If so, they should not tempt us with "possible MorphOS and AROS versions". If they want a bounty or a pre-order system (I prefer the latter. Then we don't have to pay double for the products) then they should just make it happen and watch the money rolling in.
Add a "preorder for MorphOS" and "preorder for AROS (x86 and x64)" on your homepage, with a counter telling how many orders left that is needed and withdraw the money once it reaches zero.
Waiting for the community to figure out how to make money for you is kinda lazy :p
Exactly, it's just words they put on press releases. They don't mean anything by it , they are for sure not interested in supporting competition.
There's already lot's of applications that could be cross compiled already but it doesn't happen there's always an excuse for why they don't happen. Even if it perfectly could have been earning them income like good old shareware for example.
I have long ago realized AROS won't get a lot of good productivity software but that doesn't stop me supporting AROS The money I put in bounties for AROS is money I want to see develop the OS, I want to see how far it can go with the help of out bounty money.
Software is a whole other issue. In the meanwhile i learn to use Linux software that not only does the job better but have help online and a big community to get help from if/when needed and not to forget, tutorials. So keep your old legacy software I won't be using it and I know you don't want my money.
Old Amiga software is nostalgia, I can get that from UAE any day. Cutting edge productivity software is on my other partition on my computer it's just a matter of choosing Aros/Linux/windows from grub when I turn on my computer.
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If so, they should not tempt us with "possible MorphOS and AROS versions". If they want a bounty or a pre-order system (I prefer the latter. Then we don't have to pay double for the products) then they should just make it happen and watch the money rolling in.
Add a "preorder for MorphOS" and "preorder for AROS (x86 and x64)" on your homepage, with a counter telling how many orders left that is needed and withdraw the money once it reaches zero.
Waiting for the community to figure out how to make money for you is kinda lazy :p
It shouldn't come as much of a surprise really, A-Eonkit make OS4 hardware so that is the focus of their software development too. Other "Amiga-like" OSes are not really in their business model.
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It shouldn't come as much of a surprise really, A-Eonkit make OS4 hardware so that is the focus of their software development too. Other "Amiga-like" OSes are not really in their business model.
That was a nice way to put it, I have a different story but I don't feel like I want to be banned today.
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It shouldn't come as much of a surprise really, A-Eonkit make OS4 hardware so that is the focus of their software development too. Other "Amiga-like" OSes are not really in their business model.
Well if they are trying to dictate which OS wins out... they won't see me buying their products as I only use MorphOS and AROS at the time being, at least till FAST FPGA solutions emerge as I believe I am officially over classic hardware and all the money it takes to keep it up, keep it stable, and expand its capabilities.
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Just glad we will get to use OctaMED on OS4.1.
Would love to see how some of you get ondemanding say SONY, port a game to PS4. Even if you screamed blue murder, SONY would not care one little bit.
You would then accept it and move on.
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Out curiosity, lets hear your story.
Seems this thread went off topic fast.
Seems it's about to.
Are you actually trying to drag your employer's positive thread off topic? Why not take it to pm, like a moderator might suggest.
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Give them a break and let them focus on developing an updated AmigaOS version before you scream for ports to other systems. They have quite a lot of software sources to play around with now so give them some time.
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I don't really understand the anger over A-EON not porting software it owns to MorphOS and AROS. That's like expecting Ford to start making accessories and parts for Toyota owners. They are under no obligation to do so and have a business of their own to run.
It would be nice if they did, but I don't begrudge them for not doing so.
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I don't really understand the anger over A-EON not porting software it owns to MorphOS and AROS. That's like expecting Ford to start making accessories and parts for Toyota owners. They are under no obligation to do so and have a business of their own to run.
It would be nice if they did, but I don't begrudge them for not doing so.
neither do i, but i'd love to run octamed in an amiga environment on my laptop. so for that (at least without emulation) means a powerbook with MOS or a PC with AROS. so, being selfish, i'd kinda like to have the option.
but it's up to them. the priority for me is to get it up and running on my AOS4 machines since they're nearest the keyboard. :)
-- eliyahu
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They already said in the PPaint thread... if those communities get some bounty money together they may consider a port to AROS or MorphOS.
Without, it's 68k and OS4 they're developing for.
And if I said the only way I will provide Finalwriter for aos4 is if aos4 users pay for both the development and then a copy how would I look?
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I don't really understand the anger over A-EON not porting software it owns to MorphOS and AROS. That's like expecting Ford to start making accessories and parts for Toyota owners. They are under no obligation to do so and have a business of their own to run.
It would be nice if they did, but I don't begrudge them for not doing so.
Real Software Publishers will port their software to as many systems as they can in order to maximise sales, you are saying it is OK for A-EON to use software they own to kill sales of competing hardware, if that is OK with you then how long will it be before they sell software that ONLY runs on A-EON's own Amigaone systems?
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And if I said the only way I will provide Finalwriter for aos4 is if aos4 users pay for both the development and then a copy how would I look?
Honestly, if you own the rights; do as you like. Noone should hold a grudge over it.
As it is, everyone intrested in the ORIGINAL version of FW will find it by searching the net.
Its been "dead" for years, just like AeonKits aquisitions, so I cant bring myself to villify someone trying to modernize anicent products.
That said; im sure you would make several people happy if you ported to all "Amiga" branches.
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And if I said the only way I will provide Finalwriter for aos4 is if aos4 users pay for both the development and then a copy how would I look?
i don't care. me wanty! take my money! :laugh1:
-- eliyahu
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I'm not angry. I just don't think it's nice to dangle a carrot in front of us if they don't indend to give it to us. No more, no less :)
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Real Software Publishers will port their software to as many systems as they can in order to maximise sales, ...
Real software publishers will port their software to a system if (and only if) the potential profits exceed the cost of creating that port. Spending a dollar to get less than a dollar back in sales is guaranteed to make your business fail.
Hans
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Bravo!
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Real software publishers will port their software to a system if (and only if) the potential profits exceed the cost of creating that port. Spending a dollar to get less than a dollar back in sales is guaranteed to make your business fail.
Hans
That would be a valid argument if there was a large amount of development required to port between our platforms.
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That would be a valid argument if there was a large amount of development required to port between our platforms.
Correct! There should in theory be minimal effort in porting, thus minimal effort in expanding the user base and therefore sales. They would be fools not to.
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Correct! There should in theory be minimal effort in porting, thus minimal effort in expanding the user base and therefore sales. They would be fools not to.
Whose theorem is this research based on? "Should" covers all manner of sins, doesn't it.
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Whose theorem is this research based on? "Should" covers all manner of sins, doesn't it.
I can tell you from experience aos4 was the odd ball.
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That would be a valid argument if there was a large amount of development required to port between our platforms.
My post was a factual correction to A6000's statement, and not necessarily a for/against argument. I have no idea if porting would be a simple recompile, or if there would be more work. It wouldn't surprise me if there would have to be at least a few platform-specific tweaks, though.
Incidentally, I don't see why the adverse reaction to A-EON specifically saying that they have the right to distribute Octamed on MorphOS & AROS too (and emulated Amigas). They're at least considering the possibility.
Hans
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Real Software Publishers will port their software to as many systems as they can in order to maximise sales, you are saying it is OK for A-EON to use software they own to kill sales of competing hardware, if that is OK with you then how long will it be before they sell software that ONLY runs on A-EON's own Amigaone systems?
My post was a factual correction to A6000's statement
Hans
My post did not require any correction, the part "as they can" implied that business considerations such as profitability would be taken into account.
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Out curiosity, lets hear your story.
Seems this thread went off topic fast.
Have you ever heard "the customer is always right"?
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Have you ever heard "the customer is always right"?
It's been 12 years, and every time I hear someone use that line I still think of this post:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=56482&postcount=62
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Whose theorem is this research based on? "Should" covers all manner of sins, doesn't it.
I'm no coder, I don't know that for a fact, and I know that some things such as ScummVM seem to compile just fine on MorphOS without any tweaks to the code, where as on AROS...
...well your guess is as good as mine.
It's their property now, they can do what they want, but I just can not imagine that porting something from one OS, to an OS that is heavily based upon the original, could be all that much drama in the end. If they want to expand their market base, they owe it to them selves to at least take a look. At least I'd hope they are thinking about the whole Amiga community, and not just users of this Amiga flavor or that.
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Have you ever heard "the customer is always right"?
have you heard the saying "sometimes its good to lose a customer"?
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I just can not imagine that porting something from one OS, to an OS that is heavily based upon the original, could be all that much drama in the end.
It's the best excuse ever, and it can never be questioned because they have the sources so they can claim whatever they want. I guess co-operating with coders from other camps is out of question too, even if they would port it for free or for a small symbolic sum. Let a few years pass and you'll see I was right here too.
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which one did you choose from MorphEUS? :)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
Kamelito
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which one did you choose from MorphEUS? :)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
Kamelito
None, I took the black pill. But you hey why not take the opportunity an make me look like a complete fool, port Octamed, Personal Paint to all platforms and have a huge laugh at my expense. ;)
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There wasnt' black pill, only black suppository.
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There wasnt' black pill, only black suppository.
I didn't know there wasn't anymore but it was a pill when I took mine, I hope yours didn't hurt, just asking because you seem a litte ---hurt ;)
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Historically, the Black Pill contained cyanide.
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Seems it's about to.
Are you actually trying to drag your employer's positive thread off topic? Why not take it to pm, like a moderator might suggest.
It already was way off topic.
Have you ever heard "the customer is always right"?
Thats not always true at all. Alot of that post Mike linked to, I agree with.
Funny how people already said I should have not posted what I did, then you decided to try and stir it. After I decided they wre right and left it.
Just let it go.
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My post was a factual correction to A6000's statement, and not necessarily a for/against argument. I have no idea if porting would be a simple recompile, or if there would be more work. It wouldn't surprise me if there would have to be at least a few platform-specific tweaks, though.
Incidentally, I don't see why the adverse reaction to A-EON specifically saying that they have the right to distribute Octamed on MorphOS & AROS too (and emulated Amigas). They're at least considering the possibility.
Hans
Typically those hooks would have more of an impact on low level stuff vs high level stuff.
However as for the right to distribute it can be viewed in two ways.
A.) Hey look we're willing to support all platforms.
or
B.) Hey look we bought the rights for the other platforms so that it cannot be ported by anyone.
Which one it is I don't claim to know. However each user will make up their minds as to which one they think it is.
I know it's common in this community for people to claim that AROS users are cheap and not willing to pay for anything. Well it's hard to argue with that since there has been next to nothing "commercial" available for AROS to prove otherwise.
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It's been 12 years, and every time I hear someone use that line I still think of this post:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=56482&postcount=62
There's a difference in acknowledging that the customer is right and actually acting as such. Its all about seeming.
(oops 2000 posts up). :)
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Honestly, if you own the rights; do as you like. Noone should hold a grudge over it.
As it is, everyone intrested in the ORIGINAL version of FW will find it by searching the net.
Its been "dead" for years, just like AeonKits aquisitions, so I cant bring myself to villify someone trying to modernize anicent products.
That said; im sure you would make several people happy if you ported to all "Amiga" branches.
There is no IF about Final Writer. However as one of the designers of the old OpenAmiga standard I would be a hypocrite if I didn't practice what I preach.
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And if/when the FinalWriter for my A1200 is ready, I will most likely buy it :)
Dont get me wrong, I appriciate and would prefer software to span over all the "Amiga" platforms, but I wont hold anyones feet to the fire if they dont.
I dont feel entitled to use new versions of software I was acustomed to use back in the 90s.
I do understand, to a certain extent why they would want to focus on AOS4 versions, since they have a hardware platform they want to expand.
On the flipside; the more software titles they aquire, they could most likely benefit from drawing customers (and income) from all "camps".
So I see both sides of the argument for sure.
BUT, again, I see no need to hold it against them/anyone.
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It's been 12 years, and every time I hear someone use that line I still think of this post:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=56482&postcount=62
This is so fooooking true. As a side I miss redrumloa and others
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Great news - now if I can just get the bloody 4.1FE disc to install on my A1XE......
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However as for the right to distribute it can be viewed in two ways.
A.) Hey look we're willing to support all platforms.
or
B.) Hey look we bought the rights for the other platforms so that it cannot be ported by anyone.
The deeper you try to read between the lines, the more likely it is that your conclusions are total BS.
Hans
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Terminills
Well everybody knows that AEON are buying old software to upgrade them. Why don't you do the same or buy them first?
Quite frankly I'm really surprised by all they do as the ROI is so risky and random.
Why not join them instead of trying to compete and be disappointed?
Kamelito
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Terminills
Well everybody knows that AEON are buying old software to upgrade them. Why don't you do the same or buy them first?
Well considering I already have done just that.
Quite frankly I'm really surprised by all they do as the ROI is so risky and random.
Why not join them instead of trying to compete and be disappointed?
Kamelito
I am neither competing nor disappointed.
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The deeper you try to read between the lines, the more likely it is that your conclusions are total BS.
Hans
To quote myself since you felt the need to only quote half quote me.
Which one it is I don't claim to know. However each user will make up their minds as to which one they think it is.
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though again... us so called Next Gen Amiga users lack many media based features that we now take for granted on the classic Amiga, like MIDI support.
I'm not sure about other platforms, but MIDI support in OS4 meets and exceeds what classic Amigas offered.
CAMD is the common library for MIDI applcations, and support for USB midi devices has eliminated any restrictions on the number of ports and devices that can be active. Camd is not just for the serial port anymore, it's now a rather flexible MIDI patch bay for connecting programs and devices in any combination.
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To quote myself since you felt the need to only quote half quote me.
Okay, let me respond to the bit that you felt I shouldn't have left out...
Which one it is I don't claim to know. However each user will make up their minds as to which one they think it is.
The deeper you try to read between the lines, the more likely it is that your conclusions are total BS.
Your two options are both based on trying to read between the lines of an announcement. I could probably come up with a number of different additional possible viewpoints based on varying assumptions, but that would be kind of pointless. There really is no need to be guessing at whether there is some hidden meaning or secret agenda.
Hans
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I could probably come up with a number of different additional possible viewpoints based on varying assumptions, but that would be kind of pointless. There really is no need to be guessing at whether there is some hidden meaning or secret agenda.
(http://memestorage.com/_nw/78/15225745.jpg)
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Okay, let me respond to the bit that you felt I shouldn't have left out...
The deeper you try to read between the lines, the more likely it is that your conclusions are total BS.
Your two options are both based on trying to read between the lines of an announcement. I could probably come up with a number of different additional possible viewpoints based on varying assumptions, but that would be kind of pointless. There really is no need to be guessing at whether there is some hidden meaning or secret agenda.
Hans
You yourself bought into a theory. Are you saying your own theory is BS? I merely placed both viewpoints in a single post. :P
"I don't see why the adverse reaction to A-EON specifically saying that they have the right to distribute Octamed on MorphOS & AROS too (and emulated Amigas). They're at least considering the possibility."
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You yourself bought into a theory. Are you saying your own theory is BS? I merely placed both viewpoints in a single post. :P
"I don't see why the adverse reaction to A-EON specifically saying that they have the right to distribute Octamed on MorphOS & AROS too (and emulated Amigas). They're at least considering the possibility."
You placed two possible viewpoints in a single post. Those are not the only possible viewpoints, but they do both assume that you know A-EON's "secret intentions."
Interestingly, I was considering adding "it appears that..." to the bit that you quoted, so congrats on nitpicking that one. However, I must point out that the very fact that they mention multiple platforms does require them to consider those as options. This "theory" doesn't require any assumed/imagined secret agenda or "evil intent."
Hans
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+1 to that.
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You placed two possible viewpoints in a single post. Those are not the only possible viewpoints, but they do both assume that you know A-EON's "secret intentions."
Interestingly, I was considering adding "it appears that..." to the bit that you quoted, so congrats on nitpicking that one. However, I must point out that the very fact that they mention multiple platforms does require them to consider those as options. This "theory" doesn't require any assumed/imagined secret agenda or "evil intent."
Hans
I do not talk about "conspiracy" or similar. Trevor is primarly AmigaOS supporter so having the best solution for his favorite platform (and having another reason why people buy the hardware) is certainly main interest. 68k is supported because sales to AmigaOS users alone would not be enough for refinancing the development. We had the discussion regarding supporting AROS/MorphOS/AmigaOS already regarding QT5 port and there it was clear that AROS/MorphOS on one side and AmigaOS on the other are very different (and if I understand many comments that is even increasing) so it is difficult to support all. Another problem is who has the experience to do it for all camps? Most devs use and support only one platform. Another reason if you use specialities of one platform (and every platform has those) make it certainly not easier portable and I assume that the primary goal is to make full use of AmigaOS.
Even with 68k there are problems. Personal Paint 7.2 worked on Aros 68k, Personal Paint 7.3 not. It is not intentionally but I think the more it is targetting "AmigaOS" the less likely it works on other platforms.
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Speaking as a long time (although now pretty much ex-) OctaMED user this is good news. OctaMED was/is a great tool that has languished too long and has much Amiga history attached to it. The problem is that due to this languishing other programs have leapfrogged OctaMED in approach and features, however, I am very keen to see what is done with it and this looks to be a very positive step in the right direction.
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@Olafs3
A-EON's core business is AmigaOS - this *very much* includes AmigaOS 3.x support and not just AmigaOS 4.x. You will notice A-EON's committment to the Prisma project and several other software projects we are working on at the moment for Classic AmigaOS 3.x. We are open to working with MorphOS et al and actively encourage development of our products on this platform.
PPaint 7.3 - we listened to your concerns regarding compatibility and released 7.3a- does this fix the problems for you? PPaint development is ongoing and we hope to address the feedback we get from our customers and further refine/polish the software quality for both 68k and PPC.
As you can see, 68K market is a firm commitment, I have seen several posts elsewhere where others have not recognised the effort and work that A-EON is putting into 68k also.
We have a few announcements to make regarding where we are reusing technology software technologies from our NG work and back porting it to 68K for the purpose of advancing the 68K platform. I hope to have some news about this soon.
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@Olafs3
A-EON's core business is AmigaOS - this *very much* includes AmigaOS 3.x support and not just AmigaOS 4.x. You will notice A-EON's committment to the Prisma project and several other software projects we are working on at the moment for Classic AmigaOS 3.x. We are open to working with MorphOS et al and actively encourage development of our products on this platform.
PPaint 7.3 - we listened to your concerns regarding compatibility and released 7.3a- does this fix the problems for you? PPaint development is ongoing and we hope to address the feedback we get from our customers and further refine/polish the software quality for both 68k and PPC.
As you can see, 68K market is a firm commitment, I have seen several posts elsewhere where others have not recognised the effort and work that A-EON is putting into 68k also.
We have a few announcements to make regarding where we are reusing technology software technologies from our NG work and back porting it to 68K for the purpose of advancing the 68K platform. I hope to have some news about this soon.
I have talked about Aros 68k and general Aros/MorphOS compared to AmigaOS
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I have talked about Aros 68k and general Aros/MorphOS compared to AmigaOS
i thought AROS 68K was OS3 binary-compatible, yes? isn't that the big selling-point there? so since A-EON are committed to OS3/68K, you should be fine. :)
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regardless of whether or not the updated octamed is native to AROS/MOS, the fact that A-EON is committed to the classic 68K amigas should mean -- since those platforms have 68K compatibility at one level or another -- that users of AROS/MOS will be able to enjoy the updated software either way. can't people be happy that development is picking up again at all?
-- eliyahu
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i thought AROS 68K was OS3 binary-compatible, yes? isn't that the big selling-point there? so since A-EON are committed to OS3/68K, you should be fine.
the problem is, that similarly as previously on os4 it looks like aeon is apparently investing in gimmicks of very limited use. os4 platform got xena, which has not even been mentioned by anyone since i guess a year already. amiga is getting now prisma megarmix which is apparently a cheap codec decoder chip meant for usb thumbs attached to zorro interface and not as advertised a sound card. similarly legacy software like ppaint receives cosmetic changes that are either meant for os4 compatibility or half a way introducing functionality the software wasnt ever meant for, like trying to convert planar into a 24bit image manipulation package by brute force. im not sure this is of much advantage. it looks like trying to achieve immediate sales arguments instead of far sighted strategy that a conscious consumer might be satisfied upon.
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it looks like trying to achieve immediate sales arguments instead of far sighted strategy that a conscious consumer might be satisfied upon.
i respectfully disagree. :)
-- eliyahu
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i respectfully disagree.
fine, as long as you do not support it with any argument.
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@wawrzon
We engaged with our customer base asking them for feedback on what they wanted. We are working on achievables from our business plan based on what our customers told us.
Some smaller things will naturally be stepping stones to larger objectives as in any business.
Please remember that A-EON investing and developing software does not preclude any other developer from making their own applications according to their creative vision. The Amiga world has had a history of innovative and creative developers - so if you have an exciting idea and do not like A-EON's projects, then get busy with your compiler :)
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i thought AROS 68K was OS3 binary-compatible, yes? isn't that the big selling-point there? so since A-EON are committed to OS3/68K, you should be fine. :)
@thread
regardless of whether or not the updated octamed is native to AROS/MOS, the fact that A-EON is committed to the classic 68K amigas should mean -- since those platforms have 68K compatibility at one level or another -- that users of AROS/MOS will be able to enjoy the updated software either way. can't people be happy that development is picking up again at all?
-- eliyahu
I can only state what I see... 7.2 worked, 7.3 not
in general it is already very compatible
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We engaged with our customer base asking them for feedback on what they wanted. We are working on achievables from our business plan based on what our customers told us.
i wonder where i was when that happened.
Some smaller things will naturally be stepping stones to larger objectives as in any business.
what are these larger objectives?
Please remember that A-EON investing and developing software does not preclude any other developer from making their own applications according to their creative vision. The Amiga world has had a history of innovative and creative developers - so if you have an exciting idea and do not like A-EON's projects, then get busy with your compiler
im not very skilled in that, even though i am giving my compilers and otherwise as much time as i can invest. on the subject of being innovative, im not sure if i consider having x-core chip onboard or codec decoder on zorro card very innovative. if it was, it would have got more attention.
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wawrzon, you talk like AeonKit owes you something, like we are entitled to any software they develop/upgrade/aquire and on every "amiga" platform....?
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@wawrzon
A-EON gets a lot of feedback from parties that are never likely to buy any products from A-EON. However, it is more sensible to listen to the genuinely prospective customers and existing customers. If you were missed out, then it's never too late to send an email to A-EON with your ideas.
If you consider some of the software tech that A-EON has recently commissioned, such as the RadeonHD v2 drivers, that was ground breaking for the Amiga and propels the Amiga to the forefront on compatibility with the latest RadeonHD R5 R7 and R9 graphics cards. I consider that very innovative for this computing platform :)
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wawrzon, you talk like AeonKit owes you something, like we are entitled to any software they develop/upgrade/aquire and on every "amiga" platform....?
is that an argument you intend to be using towards anyone who posts anything else than dancing bananas?
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@wawrzon
A-EON gets a lot of feedback from parties that are never likely to buy any products from A-EON. However, it is more sensible to listen to the genuinely prospective customers and existing customers. If you were missed out, then it's never too late to send an email to A-EON with your ideas.
if all what you target is your existing customer base then its probably the right strategy. what concerns interesting ideas i dont need to write any emails, its all in the open, like the current independent developments around fpga accelerators.
If you consider some of the software tech that A-EON has recently commissioned, such as the RadeonHD v2 drivers, that was ground breaking for the Amiga and propels the Amiga to the forefront on compatibility with the latest RadeonHD R5 R7 and R9 graphics cards. I consider that very innovative for this computing platform :)
i dont know. im not getting so hot about 2d rtg support even if it applies to latest cards, which whole justification would usually be 3d gaming if only the base platform was fast enough and software base openly available. for the time being i can live stuck with voodoo3 in mediator.
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No.
I have no issue with people finding the PPC path inefficient and too expensive to justify for hobby habits, myself included, but I dont see why I should be sour about people/companies disagreeing with me.
If AeonKit wants to invest in xyz anicent program and even upgrading it, then why should I be negative about it? Atm Im completely indifferent to it, until they release a upgraded version. Until that happens I have Octamed Studiosound on my old A1200 working just fine.
The word that keeps coming back to me when reading posts on this forum is "entitlement".
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No.
I have no issue with people finding the PPC path inefficient and too expensive to justify for hobby habits, myself included, but I dont see why I should be sour about people/companies disagreeing with me.
im not sour. i just think the strategy is as beneficent for the amiga scene as it was for os4 and have commented on that.
If AeonKit wants to invest in xyz anicent program and even upgrading it, then why should I be negative about it? Atm Im completely indifferent to it, until they release a upgraded version. Until that happens I have Octamed Studiosound on my old A1200 working just fine.
im as much interested as you, it was only an example observation.
The word that keeps coming back to me when reading posts on this forum is "entitlement".
as you wish.
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A-EON Technology Ltd (http://www.a-eon.com) is pleased to announce that it has concluded the purchase of the source code and exclusive rights to develop, publish and distribute MED, OctaMED and OctaMED SoundStudio for the AmigaOS and Amiga-inspired operating systems, including MorphOS, AROS and emulation from the current owner Ray Burt Frost. As part of the sale agreement A-EON has the exclusive right to use the MED, OctaMED and OctaMED SoundStudio in all product marketing, promotion and branding for AmigaOS and Next-Generation AmigaOS inspired versions including emulation.
Read More Here (http://www.a-eon.com/?news=17-02-2015)
PDF News Release (http://a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_OCTAMED.pdf)
I've been away for a while, I'd like to know what happened to PC version of MED Sound Studio.
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aquired in 2015 and what do we have to show for it ?
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OctaMED player has been ported to OS4.x
I too am waiting for main program port. People have said they would do it, then vanish.
So something has been done and I won't stop going on about getting it ported.
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Given all the water that's flowed under the bridge thus far, I doubt a fully functional OctaMED for OS4 will ever see the light of day.
Even if it does, most of us bedroom music producers gave up waiting on it years ago and moved to something else.
Don't get me wrong, I'd probably still buy a copy but more out of curiosity and nostalgia than any real likelihood of using it to produce music. I've been using other tools on other platforms for that for well over a decade now.
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I know that it is bought to sell the PPC hardware but from a economic view would it not make more sense to stay 68k and update/bugfix/improve what is there? For classic users it would be more interesting and it would still run on PPC hardware, at least in emulation, in best case even on petunia. If you want PPC native versions you have to invest lots of time (and thus money) to get it reworked and to replace asm parts, lots of work and no real new features and thus no reason to buy it.
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of course not
there are very few experienced developers left and you certainly need a lot of work to get it compile and run natively on PPC. And then there are only few users willing to buy it. In my view it would be better to use what is there and not try to get it running native on PPC. It is propably easier to write it from scratch then trying to rework the old sources (propably banging hardware, using asm routines and so on)
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OctaMED player has been ported to OS4.x
I too am waiting for main program port. People have said they would do it, then vanish.
So something has been done and I won't stop going on about getting it ported.
If you don't mind my asking and are willing to reply, what is the status of the A-eon purchase in January 2015 of ImageFX?
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AROS has ported lots of software from 68k to portable C and build for x86 etc.
If you want software to survive, sources must be provided to the willing without them needing to jump through tight hoops and rings of fire.
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OctaMED player has been ported to OS4.x
I too am waiting for main program port. People have said they would do it, then vanish.
So something has been done and I won't stop going on about getting it ported.
If you don't mind my asking and are willing to reply, what is the status of the A-eon purchase in January 2015 of ImageFX?
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If Im honest, ImageFX has never interested me personally. So I could not comment on its status.
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Octamed SS, as a generally system friendly app already runs just fine on OS4 on the BlizzPPC. I also ran it fine on my A1XE (before it died), by using "The Marstrix" AHI redirection tool for faking a Maestro sound card which is one of the built in output options for mix mode.
Worth noting that on a graphics card, it works best on it's own 8-bit screen rather than just running it on a copy of the workbench screen mode.
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Octamed SS, as a generally system friendly app already runs just fine on OS4 on the BlizzPPC. I also ran it fine on my A1XE (before it died), by using "The Marstrix" AHI redirection tool for faking a Maestro sound card which is one of the built in output options for mix mode.
Worth noting that on a graphics card, it works best on it's own 8-bit screen rather than just running it on a copy of the workbench screen mode.
Missed this at the time Karlos, apologies.
The last time I tried OSS on OS4/A1XE the MIDI was broken. I haven't tried it for over a year but I imagine this is still the case.
If someone could fix that, it would make it a much more attractive bit of software for OS4.
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Just bumping this as I can't find any other thread.
Did this ever get anywhere?
Any new version released, in the works or even vaguely planned?
I've been out of the loop for about a year.
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Porting to Power PC or adding significant new features would be quite a large undertaking and from what I understand nobody in the developer team wants to undertake that work at the moment.
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It can sometimes take a few years after A-Eon/Amigakit acquires software before new versions come out, but they eventually do. I waited a few years for anything to happen with ImageFX after they bought it, and it finally shipped this spring, and is quite good.