Professionally published homebrew games.

[Rebel-CD32]

When Cammy says she wants to support the Amiga community, that's exactly what she means. It's all for them, none for her. So she has a problem with people who take more than they give back. She doesn't hide behind some false, "well-meaning" facade. The thing is she was pushing the Amiga community to develop new software and promoting the idea of an app store years before Amigakit stepped in. She provided prize incentives out of her own unemployed pocket in game making competitions she started to promote development. Where was Amigakit all those years? Did they ever offer to donate a prize? No, but others who sold similar products for a lot less than he does gave away hardware prizes. She made friends with the real people in the Amiga community and inspired them to keep working, she brought hundreds of new users to the community and helped so many of them get the most out of their Amigas. She helped hardware developers produce new peripherals for us by networking with innovators from around the world.

So I guess you can see why she has a problem with this guy who only ever "helps" when he sees something in it for himself.

[kickstart]

No one is surprised by this "dictatorshipment" of this forums at the hands of amigakit crew, closed threads of people that just try to shell gears, deleted opinions that arent liked by this "crew" and so on.

My opinion... the better amiga store is aminet... but of course aminet is not on the same business.

[giZmo350]

When Cammy says she wants to support the Amiga community, that's exactly what she means. It's all for them, none for her. So she has a problem with people who take more than they give back. She doesn't hide behind some false, "well-meaning" facade. The thing is she was pushing the Amiga community to develop new software and promoting the idea of an app store years before Amigakit stepped in. She provided prize incentives out of her own unemployed pocket in game making competitions she started to promote development. Where was Amigakit all those years? Did they ever offer to donate a prize? No, but others who sold similar products for a lot less than he does gave away hardware prizes. She made friends with the real people in the Amiga community and inspired them to keep working, she brought hundreds of new users to the community and helped so many of them get the most out of their Amigas. She helped hardware developers produce new peripherals for us by networking with innovators from around the world.

So I guess you can see why she has a problem with this guy who only ever "helps" when he sees something in it for himself.

Are you for REAL? What the hell does your agenda have to do with AmigaKit? What do you think AmigaKit owes you? This entire thread would seem nothing more than an unmitigated attack on a legitimate retailer providing a product to the Amiga community! It's this sort of attitude that gives Amiga a bad name! STOP WITH THE PITY PARTY ALREADY!!!!!! WHAT IS YOUR F*CKING PROBLEM!

[giZmo350]

no one is surprised by this "dictatorshipment" of this forums at the hands of amigakit crew, closed threads of people that just try to shell gears, deleted opinions that arent liked by this "crew" and so on.

My opinion... The better amiga store is aminet... But of course aminet is not on the same business.

then leave already!

[kickstart]

@gismo350

Yes i can leave, im nothing here... but the sh1t stiil there.

[Rebel-CD32]

Are you for REAL? What the hell does your agenda have to do with AmigaKit? What do you think AmigaKit owes you? This entire thread would seem nothing more than an unmitigated attack on a legitimate retailer providing a product to the Amiga community! It's this sort of attitude that gives Amiga a bad name! STOP WITH THE PITY PARTY ALREADY!!!!!! WHAT IS YOUR F*CKING PROBLEM!

As a close friend of Cammy's I see directly how this guy has affected her with his insistence to %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! on her parade any chance he gets, and it's been going on for years now. It's a pity people like yourself lack the intuition to notice the patterns of behavior in these people over time, but it's clear to see for some of us who truly has an agenda.

[kickstart]

@rebel-cd32

Here are much people that just clap and say yes to amigakit and crew, talking like CEOs of imaginary companies... here amiga is seconday and real amigas are forgotten in some cases

[commodorejohn]

That was a hell of a thread-hijacking alright - and nice of AmigaKit to make it all about them, when there's also companies like Psytronik out there. You wouldn't think, given the amount of love that AmigaKit already gets in this community, that they'd have any cause to be jealous and possessive, but there you go. Very classy.

[Paulie85]

I fail to see what the problem here. Sure, it is probably bad form to hijack the thread in this way, but I think Amigakit is a decent outfit.

As for stealing ideas, I feel that Cammy/Rebel have had some brilliant plans for the Amiga community but a lot of what they start is never finished. I was really looking forward to their version of Sonic and that Halloween-themed game, as well as the Dreamscape pre-configured WB-but I've never seen a finished product.
If someone else takes up the reigns of a suggestion thenI see it as a good thing.

I don't mean any disrespect to them, I just like to see things finished -even if it means paying for it.

[EDanaII]

Much as I love Cammy for her Don-Quixote-like quest to help Amiga, it's self-interested people that made the Amiga what it was.

Jay Miner did want to create one of the best personal computers of it's time, but he didn't do it for the "community." He did it because -->he<-- wanted to do it and because he would earn money by doing so. The reason he did it by no means lessens his contribution to the rest of us.

Same goes for the inventor of the vaccine, the airplane, the car, etc...

Hell, but for Amigakit, I wouldn't have a replacement floppy for my A1200. Not to mention other items I've acquired over the years.

Did they hijack the thread? I suppose... Is this really worth all the hoopla it's generating? Not really.

Cammy? Keep fighting the good fight, but I don't think there's a reason why you can't do what you do and they can't do what they do. We can share this planet.

[motrucker]

I personally support Cammy 100%. I like her ideas, and I wish her the best. I wish I could help somehow.
Now that I have a working A2000 again, maybe it's high time learn to program.......

[James2002]

Are you for REAL? What the hell does your agenda have to do with AmigaKit? What do you think AmigaKit owes you? This entire thread would seem nothing more than an unmitigated attack on a legitimate retailer providing a product to the Amiga community! It's this sort of attitude that gives Amiga a bad name! STOP WITH THE PITY PARTY ALREADY!!!!!! WHAT IS YOUR F*CKING PROBLEM!

Don't like everyone having different opinions. Telling people to leave if you disagree with them. How low can you go? It like going jumping out of airplane without any landing gear.  
 
 No it don't give Amiga bad name. It just means that some of Amiga community are dissatisfied with the way things are being done. The thing that would give Amiga bad name is if the companies were selling bad products and not fixing them.

[Rob]

As a close friend of Cammy's I see directly how this guy has affected her with his insistence to %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! on her parade any chance he gets, and it's been going on for years now. It's a pity people like yourself lack the intuition to notice the patterns of behavior in these people over time, but it's clear to see for some of us who truly has an agenda.

Certainly not something I'm aware of such behaviour.

I didn't see cammy's original post but I assume she was proposing some sort apps store, Amigakit pointed out that they're about to release their own with all the infrastructure in place and Cammy said she wanted it to go a different way.  If that's as bad as it gets I can't understand the problem.

I don't really see the problem with Amigakit promoting Amistore in this thread.  Developers are free to pick and choose and will go with whatever suits them best.  However, with two different app stores already in development, I can't help thinking that it would be better to spend time developing software than duplicating efforts already being made.

What is so wrong with Amigakit making some profit?  It's not like they're some guy stockpiling NOS in his garage selling it all off without ever re-investing any back into the market.  Amigakit are the only full time dealer specialising only in Amiga.  Amigakit pay up front for the hardware they order from the likes of Elbox and Individual Computers and without this investment some of those products or new production runs probably wouldn't happen.

Lastly I hope that whatever differences there are between Amigakit and Cammy, that I'm seemingly unaware of, can be resolved, and she'll be back posting here.  I hopes she is ok.

[commodorejohn]

The problem isn't with Amigakit making profit, it's with Amigakit making everything about Amigakit. By all accounts they're a well-run business that supports an underserved community, which is great - however, that does not give them license to ignore basic forum etiquette (and doing so is bad PR, which they ought to understand.)  Besides, if the OP was anything like Cammy's identically-titled thread over on Amibay, it didn't even mention anything about an app store, just discussed the recent increase in commercial publication of retro-homebrew titles and mused on possibilities to promote this kind of thing in the Amiga community. So it's not hard to see that as an obvious threadjack.

[Manu]

Ah, finally some action.

Who wants a fight ?

[Robert17]

Both Cammy and Amigakit have done a lot of good for Amiga users and the community - I'm sure they can find a way to co-operate, but Amigakit are a business in a small market so do need to drum up business and make money where they can.

In the post Power/Elbox Days of Amiga computing here in the UK, Amigakit are a reliable supplier of hardware and software products, and after-sales support that the community need.

Robert