@Dr.Bongo
No problem, everyone's views are different!
:)
Sorry to flame
You can look at it as sticking it to the man by buying used though. Apple won't get a cent.
Very nice list.
Sorry to flame but
EDIT: on the subject of Apple...I dislike Apple, but I'm pro-MorphOS. If it requires Apple hardware to run the OS I like, then so be it.
So excluding discontinued products, it's two semi-interesting bits of hardware and a load of apple garbage. Sorry to flame but, I'm am a little bored of people poking apple in my face. Don't own, will NEVER own.
Apple hardware is some of the best available consumer computer hardware in the world. What they hell are you talking about?
No, you're not.
@B00tdisk: hive-mind. But in all seriousness, we're fully aware there are people out there who hate Apple to company and/or Apple hardware. Doesn't need to be said all the time, or really at all as, on the whole, it adds nothing useful to discourse.
What happened the SAM460 that was being ported onto?
Yes, it's great....but what are the prices??
(for those of us not in the know)
Yes, it's great....but what are the prices??
(for those of us not in the know)
I have an old Apple Mac G4 with 1.42 GHz and 1GB, so I actually have compatible hardware.
Cheers,
Adrian
Are there any experience reports with AmigaOS software compatibility? Which applications run, which don't?
Does it run any AmigaOS PPC software, like Shogo or Quake, for example? Does it run AmigaOS 4 applications? The ABI compatibility with AmigaOS is *the* selling point of MorphOS, for anything else I can use Linux. Or asking differently, is MorphOS actually really worth the money?
I have an old Apple Mac G4 with 1.42 GHz and 1GB, so I actually have compatible hardware.
Cheers,
Adrian
So would this model and configuration work with MOS 3.2?
(snip)
Product Identifiers
Manufacturer Apple
Product Family iBook
Model ID PowerBook6,7
Model Number A1133
MPN AppleiBook G412.1July2005
Display
Display Size 12.1"
Miscellaneous
Release Date July, 2005
Correction: I think you mean "reflash" the BIOS of the GFX cards, rather than "reflush" :-)
Suggestion: How about making a MorphOS logo sticker that will cover the apple logo, so that more sensitive users can block out the old and highlight the new?
Are there any experience reports with AmigaOS software compatibility?
Which applications run, which don't?
Does it run AmigaOS 4 applications?
Is there a similar list of native MOS software?
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.
I am only interested in one with at least 128MB chipram. (gfx card ram)
I am sure others feel the same way as me.
Furthermore I am only interested in the models that support gfx of at least 1280x1024 resolution with 32bits per pixel.
I know absolutely nothing about mac hardware.
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.
I am only interested in one with at least 128MB chipram. (gfx card ram)
I am sure others feel the same way as me.
That would have been nice to have in the list, yes. Unfortunately there seems to be no way to edit the posts now. :( But you can always click the links to get very detailed information of each and every machine, including GFX cards. Later models generally have better specs.
:)
64MB is really sufficient for most (no kidding), and even 32MB works fine without any noticeable sacrifices.
Just so you know!
:)
A lot of MOS users cannot even display 1280x1024
So it sounds like if I made a MOS game I would be limited to like 5 MOS users in the whole world that could play it. Would that be accurate?
@chaoslord
define "awesome game"...
@chaoslord
Define "awesome game"...
@chaoslord
Define "awesome game"...
What!?
:huh:
No.
A couple of years ago I looked at some MOS Macs and they were permanently limited to 1024x768. I was warned not to get one of those. Now that I have your reassurance, I feel very glad that they did not become popular in the MOS community. :)
The kind that needs 128MB+ of Chipram :D
A game using 1gb and 1gb of chipram can be a totally ****... you dont need that amount of ram or ghz's to make good games, at least thinking on the amiga side.
ps: the word "sh1t" is censored? what a crap
A couple of years ago I looked at some MOS Macs and they were permanently limited to 1024x768. I was warned not to get one of those. Now that I have your reassurance, I feel very glad that they did not become popular in the MOS community. :)
Need to check out how far the Java VM has come
Maybe you worded it a bit misunderstandable. Desktop resolutions of far above 1024x768 are possible with _every_ MorphOS computer (even my old MorphOS 0.4 A1200/BVision 8MB ran 1280x1024).
The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor. The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max. So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768. Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768. This is what I was told.
I am very glad that most MorphOS machines can display 1280x1024 or higher. :banana:
The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor. The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max. So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768. Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768. This is what I was told.
Not MorphOS's fault. :uzi:Apple's fault.
I am very glad that most MorphOS machines can display 1280x1024 or higher. :banana:
Power Macintosh G5
(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g5.jpg)
NVIDIA cards are not supported by MorphOS and would need to be replaced with a suitable Radeon card instead. Special Mac versions of Radeon cards can be used, or the firmware of PC cards can be re-flushed to work with Mac instead.
MorphOS will currently use a maximum of 1GB of memory on these G5 machines, even if more is installed in the machine.
DP = Dual Processors (MorphOS only supports using one CPU though)
Here is a list of supported Power Macintosh G5 machines, oldest models first, then ascending in performance:
68. Power Macintosh G5 1.8 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html), PowerMac7,3, NVIDIA card
69. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI-X 2) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_2.html), PowerMac7,3, NVIDIA card
70. Power Macintosh G5 2.5 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
71. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.html), PowerMac7,3
72. Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
73. Power Macintosh G5 2.7 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
.
The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor. The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max. So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768. Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768. This is what I was told.
Sigh. Looks like the dirt-cheap 2.3GHz Dual Core G5 I justacquiredis notsupported.Oh well. Maybe it will be in the future. So many systems are now supportedthatweren'tbefore. There's hope.
You can replace the Nvidia card with a Radeon, just search for Radeon Mac on eBay.
The Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html) (the PowerMac7,3 2.3GHz machine) came with a Radeon 9600, so I think it's something else than PowerMac7,3 and if so, a new GFX card wouldn't help... :(
It's probably a Power Macintosh G5 Dual Core (2.3) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_dual_2.3.html) (PowerMac11,2 with 970MP CPU).
Yes, that is the one and it does come with an Nvidia card.
I was curious if it was just the video card that makes it incompatible but it might be something else.
sinks back into his apple-hating hole, away from sunlight and people
So I was looking at the supported HW list and morphos doesnt support usb based wifi dongles? searching the google did not come up with anything for WiFi other than Ethernet to wifi bridges.
I tried installing Morphos on my iBook G4, and it didn't work. So "all iBook G4s" work is a lie.
I tried installing Morphos on my iBook G4, and it didn't work. So "all iBook G4s" work is a lie.
What happened the SAM460 that was being ported onto?
Well the least they could do, seeing that they fixed it, is release an updated iso, instead of making me wait until 3.3.
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date.While that might be true, it is currently the only option, I think, if you want to run MOS, AOS4.x is an other matter.
There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter. None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news!
So I was looking at the supported HW list and morphos doesnt support usb based wifi dongles? searching the google did not come up with anything for WiFi other than Ethernet to wifi bridges.
There's simply no reason for me to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.
None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news!
You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications. Simply ridiculous.....
While that might be true, it is currently the only option, I think, if you want to run MOS, AOS4.x is an other matter.
That is really so wrong, if you think this to honestly be true, then your information is outdated.
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date. If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants. There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter. None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications. Simply ridiculous.....
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date. If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants. There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter. None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications. Simply ridiculous.....
...Get real.
I never thought I would use an Apple in any way, shape, or form. Looks like I was wrong since the Mac G4 I was given is on this list. This may prove quite interesting......
Maybe you should try to use MorphOS some time? At least before talking like that. Browser and other programs are closer to mainstream than ever before. I can do all the things I need with MorphOS today, I'm not waiting for anything, I enjoy.
With classic system / emulation you can't get as modern software as on MorphOS while having Amiga compatibility. And you can get MorphOS machine cheaper than classic system.
Computer HW got "fast enough" 8+ years ago. Heck, they still sell slower systems than my MorphOS machines even today (cheapest laptops, netbooks, RasPIs and other that kind of devices). My PC is older than my MorphOS machines and it's still fine for me too. My PS3 is almost as old as my MorphOS machines and it's still fine for me, and for many others too. Get real.
Not that I want to get into an argument with you (again), as it would be pointless to exchange messages with someone so poorly informed.
But I have a perfectly good web browser and a word processor running on both my MorphOS systems (as well as several games).
This satisfies 90% of my computing needs.
So I'm not waiting.
"Those systems are 8+ years out of date."
No kidding?
You do realize you're on a web site that focuses on systems over 25 years old, don't you?
And to all those who intensely dislike Apple, I've always harbored malice toward Steve Jobs.
The guy's work was always severely overrated.
But then, I don't use Apple hardware to solely run OSX.
And OSX is certainly no worse than Windows.
Have you paid for it? If not then they are not obliged to do anything for you. Patience is a virtue not many are blessed with.
You obviously didn't read my earlier post. I HAVE used MOS and OS4 on a PegII and my remarks still stand.
The iBook yes. Because they said all are compatible. So I bought one.
No, it isn't outdated. I bought a PegII and a license for MOS back in 2008 and played with it for about 4 months ...(clip)... let it sit in my garage for a couple years and then finally sold it.
You haven't paid a penny to the MOS team so they are not obliged to provide you with anything.
Like I said, patience is a virtue.
No they don't. By your own admission you haven't used MOS for five years.
Even if what you said was true, so what. We like fiddling with 25 year old hardware and modern clones of its operating system for our own pleasure.
Some like doing the same with old cars or train sets etc
If you don't enjoy the things this forum is designed to facilitate the discussion of then why do you visit and post? Serious question, I'm genuinely interested as to why.
Sounds like your information and user experience is really outdated.
I didn't buy an iBook hoping that some day it will be compatible. I bought an iBook because THEY said it is compatible. It has nothing to do with virtue, it is about being responsible.
I didn't buy an iBook hoping that some day it will be compatible. I bought an iBook because THEY said it is compatible. It has nothing to do with virtue, it is about being responsible.
You bought a machine for peanuts and have been given a free demo to test if your hardware is compatible. You discover it isn't, you report it, the team acknowledge the bug with your specific hardware and promise to fix it and release a bug fixed version when it's done.
I fail to see the drama here.
It is unfortunate situation and in no way intented, but they said it'll be fixed reasonably quickly with the upcoming bug fix release. They know their responsibilities and do the best...
Well, you might be willing to wait several years for a useful productivity suite for MOS, but most people who work for a living can't wait that long. Yes, it's been 5 years and I'm still waiting. It would be nice if there was a spreadsheet program for MOS or OS4 or something for presentations, but I'm certain it will be another 5 years and you guys will still be waiting. How long would you suggest MOS and OS4 users continue to wait? 5 years, 10 years, etc...
A decent DVD/BD player would also be nice or USB support that isn't broken......USB has been a standard for well over 10 years and I never could get it to work properly under OS4 (still broken). It would constantly corrupt whatever storage device I used.....
oh, and don't get me started on printing.....printer support under MOS or OS4 is abysmal....and that hasn't changed either in 5 years...oh, and then there's Flash, java, etc....I could go on, but I won't.
They fixed it pretty much immediately, not sure if they will release the fix any quickly though, unless you can quote them on that?
Well the least they could do, seeing that they fixed it, is release an updated iso, instead of making me wait until 3.3.
@Ferrellsl you do realize that a lot have happened in the last 5 years right?
I can't speak for MOS on this one, since I do not use it, but at least for AOS, there are a lot a productivity suites, both natively, through amiCygnix and also a lot have been ported with the help of QT.
So I have to ask you, what is it you need or lack?
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date. If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants. There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter. None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications. Simply ridiculous.....
Thank you for your opinion, generalizing your application to those of others. Obviously you're not the target demographic for MorphOS.
@LoadWB
Actually the ATI Rage128 Pro is listed under "without 3d hardware acceleration".
Are you sure it's an 400MHz AGP G4 (PCI-only models are not supported).
At which point does it hang ?
Have you tried stripping the G4 down (no PCI cards, only 1 RAM-stick) to check for broken parts ?
Ah ok, hopefully you are right, thanks :)
@TMHG
Can you change the thread title? More than 73 systems now :)
Believe me, I have tried, but all older posts are locked for some reason and can't be changed in any way. The only posts I can edit now, are those above in this page. Strange... :(
But to avoid any confusion, according to my count:
MorphOS now supports 79 (seventy-nine) systems!!!
:eek:
:banana: :banana: :banana:
:pint:
:biglaugh:
Why are the letters so small? :laughing:
Can the mods change it? Would be a useful post to keep up to date.
@TMHG
That was a bit too subtle (and nowhere near enough bananas), can you try again please? :)
Can the mods change it? Would be a useful post to keep up to date.done. :)
What good is to have 81 sys supported, if only Radeon 9800 or Radeon 1xxx can be pluged in?
I want 81, hope inna next release SAM460ex and SAM460ex LITE (Project NAOMO) will be added.
Also, MORE DRIVERS - PCI-E cards time, at least Radeon 4000Hd
What good is to have 81 sys supported, if only Radeon 9800 or Radeon 1xxx can be pluged in?
done. :)
-- eliyahu
It needs to say 3.5 in the thread title but it says 3.2. :)i can't catch a break around here! :laughing:
It needs to say 3.5 in the thread title but it says 3.2. :)
So are you trying to say that MorphOS 3.5 came out on 05-28-2013?
Iggy, are we counting new or antique systems?
No doubt that mos runs on more antiques systems than AmigaOS.
Iggy, are we counting new or antique systems?
No doubt that mos runs on more antiques systems than AmigaOS.
...BUT Mac hardware is pretty well built.
Why did OS4 get brought into this conversation?
This is exactly why there are such divisions in the Amiga community. Can't we have a good thread about MorphOS without trying to one-up the so-called competition? We should be cheering each other on, as cross-pollination between platforms benefits all of us - not sniping at each other.
The red vs. blue wars to most intents and purposes ended a long time ago, why try and continue it?
Let's keep this thread a positive thread about the progress made by the MorphOS devs, rather than yet another negative thread about other flavours, eh?
And since when is a nine year old system "antique".
How old are the original "AmigaOne" models?
Even new, can an Acube board outperform even a dated PowerMac G4?
Lets cross that bridge when MOS gets there.
AND, if MorphOS support is extended to the X5000, how will the OS4 community explain the performance disparities between the two OS'?
At least they are usable. For real. IMHO, the GFX card situation is not a problem with MorphOS (the PPC is a far more serious issue for example); those graphic cards kind of match the computers general performance for which they were made anyway, they are of the same age, from the same era. The R200 support is rock solid, the R300 has had many updates and improvements during the last few MorphOS releases and is now probably (I have no personal experience) kind of mature, then there will be the R500...
The X1000 development/OS4 porting started in 2009, the Sam 460 was released (with OS4 ported) in mid-2010. PCI-e was touted as some kind of holy grail by some, and Radeon HD cards were bundled with the pre-built systems ever since then.
That was more than an entire "computer generation" ago, a very looong time has passed since then in "computer evolution time". And today I read in Trevor's blog that the first release of the Radeon HD driver v1.0 is closing in. The highlight of this will be 2D HW acceleration! Not 3D, not overlay, just regular 2D!
So to quote yourself: "what good is that"?
While we had 2D, 3D, overlay, etc...
;)
@ yssingI agree 100%, not everything needs a lot of raw power. I don't think I do any thing that that needs a lot of power.
Not everything needs an X1000, X5000, or a G5.
MOANA (SAm460ex support is official) but board is kinky and cannot support cards older then Radeon 4000HD (I am not joking see Acube manual)So? its hard to find older cards anyway, besides the lowend radeon(5450/6450) are so cheap they are almost free.
Problem is: MOANA (SAm460ex support is official) but board is kinky and cannot support cards older then Radeon 4000HD (I am not joking see Acube manual).
3 - when using a PCI-Express graphic card, we suggest to use a Radeon HD2400 or newer models. Older models like X600, X800 are not fully compatible with the Sam460ex and may not work. Some X1550 cards are reported to work OK.
Sam460ex user manual (http://acube-systems.biz/download/Sam460ex_EndUserManual_v1.2.pdf)
That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000
That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000
"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:
Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.
Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!
:)
That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:
The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)
:)
Sure, relying on HW that isn't being manufactured anymore will eventually become a problem
:cool:
Yes you could blame me for bringing up OS4, but in fact it was brought up by Iggy before I mentioned anything.
But lets blame me, it's funnier, atleast I won't be suing any one. :D
Sorry to flame
Is this the laptop version I need to run MorphOS on it?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-A1107-17-1-67MGz-Aluminum-PowerBook-G4-Laptop-160GB-HD-2GB-Mem-Superdrive-/151231109939?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item2336139b33
"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:
Is this the laptop version I need to run MorphOS on it?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-A1107-17-1-67MGz-Aluminum-PowerBook-G4-Laptop-160GB-HD-2GB-Mem-Superdrive-/151231109939?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item2336139b33
That is the ideal unit,
Well said, indeed I am still baffled why Vox when down the expensive, slower and less supported Sam460 to run MorphOS rather than just getting a Mini g4 for like $100?
Each to their own though, but the PPC Mac support is definitely a huge bonus of MorphOS. When my A1XE was starting to act up I looked at my options, as you say the 460 is only around the same performance level as an A1XE/Pegasos, and in many ways inferior as it has less developed/finished drivers. So the only option for an upgrade was to drop £3,000 on an X1000 which was out of the question so MorphOS on a cheap mini now satisfies my "NG" needs.
Unless you prefer to have more pixels when the PB5.9 (A1139) becomes the ideal unit....
That is not important for me. I d not care if MorphOS supports even more laptop models...this is the laptop model I want and I will buy and use for MorphOS:
Apple A1107 17" 1.67MGz Aluminum PowerBook G4 Laptop 160GB HD 2GB Mem Superdrive
In a month from now I will order this version of laptop and in two weeks from now I will buy MorphOS 3.5.