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ChuckT

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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2010, 06:15:44 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;553895
Back on topic: The website is a joke in every sense of the word. XMOS might make for a great micro-controller, but I really can't see any benefit for having it given that the tools to take full advantage of it (IE ones that'll give you more capabilities then a PIC chip would) are closed source and surprisingly not available for the Amiga.


For a microcontroller, XMOS's chips can make 32 Sprites.  I think that is more than the Amiga ever did.  This is probably not the chip but one of their versions has four cores and is capable of 400 mips.

Your point is pointless.

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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2010, 06:21:43 PM »
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For a microcontroller, XMOS's chips can make 32 Sprites.  I think that is more than the Amiga ever did.  This is probably not the chip but one of their versions has four cores and is capable of 400 mips.

Your point is pointless.



Way to not read my post.

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given that the tools to take full advantage of it (IE ones that'll give you more capabilities then a PIC chip would) are closed source and surprisingly not available for the Amiga.


Read and understand. The open source tools (if they can even be ported) only offer a tiny subset of the chips capabilities. And any graphics card you plug into the X1000 is going to be several orders of magnitude more capable on every level. So what exactly is the purpose of this chip on a desktop motherboard?
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Offline wawrzon

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #107 on: April 16, 2010, 06:34:17 PM »
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I'm sure that those people who see dick in that web site are homosexuals, that OK.


and women? oh, they wouldnt visit anyway..
 

ChuckT

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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #108 on: April 16, 2010, 06:36:50 PM »
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Way to not read my post.



Read and understand. The open source tools (if they can even be ported) only offer a tiny subset of the chips capabilities. And any graphics card you plug into the X1000 is going to be several orders of magnitude more capable on every level. So what exactly is the purpose of this chip on a desktop motherboard?


What chip would you suggest that they use?
 

Offline KimmoK

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #109 on: April 16, 2010, 06:49:40 PM »
FYI:
- xena produces 500MIPS (single core xcore)
- Page 32 defines relevant use cases1 and 2 for xena on a motherboard:
https://electronics.wesrch.com/User_images/Pdf/SE1_1261077219.pdf
- IMO it's 100% sure that AOS4 will have all the needed xcore developer tools

etc...
re: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=553663#post553663
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=27379&forum=33#549969

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- x1000 uses ATI r700 series GPU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R700
- x1000 has 95% surely PA6T PPC SoC
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Offline persia

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #110 on: April 16, 2010, 06:52:44 PM »
Yeah, it's a bit like fish fingers and custard.  They each server there own purpose but why bring them together?

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Way to not read my post.



Read and understand. The open source tools (if they can even be ported) only offer a tiny subset of the chips capabilities. And any graphics card you plug into the X1000 is going to be several orders of magnitude more capable on every level. So what exactly is the purpose of this chip on a desktop motherboard?
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2010, 06:53:33 PM »
Quote from: ChuckT;553903
What chip would you suggest that they use?


For what exactly?

This is what I'm trying to get across - I don't see any valid reason for that chip to be on the board.

If it's as a graphics chip then the amount of MIPs it computes is utterly irrelevant as it has no FPU and no access to system ram.

As an IO chip.. Great, but why the need for CPU like features onboard? Is the primary CPU that wheezy?

If it's for hacking about and playing with, then it's all but useless as the closed source drivers are not available and the opensource ones only offer access to a small subset of the chips (limited) capabilities.

No one anywhere has given a decent explanation for this chip being built into a desktop computer.

Oh and whilst we're on the subject of expensive and practically useless components of the X1000: Xorro? May I remind you all that the last re-imagination of Zorro was sold by Eyetech as a bridgeboard for the A1200, and in all the years it was on sale it had precisely 1 card ever made for it - a PCI bridgeboard, which was next to useless as Zorro 4 had no DMA capabilities whatsoever.
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #112 on: April 16, 2010, 06:55:31 PM »
Quote from: KimmoK;553905

https://electronics.wesrch.com/User_...1261077219.pdf
- IMO it's 100% sure that AOS4 will have all the needed xcore developer tools


The opensource ones maybe, the closed ones?

Good luck with that...
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Offline ElPolloDiabl

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #113 on: April 16, 2010, 07:02:06 PM »
@above I think you're right. Whack on something useful instead... Like an x86.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 07:02:40 PM by ElPolloDiabl »
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Offline outlawal2

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #114 on: April 16, 2010, 07:03:23 PM »
Quote from: persia;553906
Yeah, it's a bit like fish fingers and custard.  They each server there own purpose but why bring them together?


Yeah and I seem to recall "No one will EVER need more than 640k of memory",  and "Who would EVER use more than a 300 BAUD modem?"  Or Bill Gates talking about how the Internet will never amount to anything...  

I remember when I got my first 386 machine Compaq at the time did not want to sell it for home use as "It was far too powerful for home use."  

Bringing seemingly unrelated things together could very well be the next new wave of computing...  (Not saying that XMOS is going to revolutionize the world, but just because you or I don't envision a use for it yet in no way guarantees it as a flop.)
 

Offline utri007

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #115 on: April 16, 2010, 07:07:57 PM »
There are 100% sure some use for xena, but would it make a difference? Or could it be something revolutionary??? I doubt that, but who knows ;)

I hope that Hyperion has some good ideas for it?

Would it be possible to use it as a real time rendering engine? That would offer cool looking games etc? It wouldn't need to be movie level rendering and still offer something new
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #116 on: April 16, 2010, 07:20:30 PM »
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Yeah and I seem to recall "No one will EVER need more than 640k of memory",


Ironic given that you'd need 4 XMOS XS1-G4's to have that much memory available ;)

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Bringing seemingly unrelated things together could very well be the next new wave of computing...  (Not saying that XMOS is going to revolutionize the world, but just because you or I don't envision a use for it yet in no way guarantees it as a flop.)


I somehow very much doubt that the coming together of this weird ass DSP-alike processor is going to set the world alight, especially without the developer tools to actually make any real use of it.
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Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #117 on: April 16, 2010, 07:25:45 PM »
Quote from: utri007;553911
There are 100% sure some use for xena, but would it make a difference? Or could it be something revolutionary??? I doubt that, but who knows ;)

I hope that Hyperion has some good ideas for it?


Thing is, the X1000 already has a bus that is widely used for all manner of exotic things: USB.

Xorro as it stands has only one useful purpose - as a gimmick to help convince fanbois too incurious to know better to part with their cash.

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Would it be possible to use it as a real time rendering engine? That would offer cool looking games etc? It wouldn't need to be movie level rendering and still offer something new


Err, not even close, hell even if it could access system ram you essentially have a chip that has roughly the same performance in MIPS as a Pentium Pro, only without an FPU.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 07:28:46 PM by the_leander »
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Offline koaftder

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #118 on: April 16, 2010, 07:38:28 PM »
Quote from: KimmoK;553905
FYI:
- IMO it's 100% sure that AOS4 will have all the needed xcore developer tools


Spoken like a true zealot who's never seen xmos hardware, never used the tools and doesn't know squat about the situation regarding the XC compiler or the company and developer community using the product. Bravo. Keep praying dude.
 

Offline ElPolloDiabl

Re: New A-EON Technology Website now live!
« Reply #119 on: April 16, 2010, 07:49:35 PM »
Let's lighten up a bit. Power PC users enjoy your machine. :banana:

Everyone else go back to what you were doing. I'll be hoping on Natami.
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