PPC is bad bad bad

[Kronos]

I will have my new PPC Amiga ~May 17 2002.

Here we go again  :-D  :-D  :-D

No you won't have a PPC-Amiga in two !! If the A1 is delieverd by then
you will have a rather slow Linux-box and UAE (without JIT) to run
68k-SW at even slower speeds.

This thing may turn into a PPC-Amiga during this summer, but
than it wouln't be new anymore


 :-P

[Kronos]

why not slap a 700MHz P3 (since you cant get a P4 that slow) against a 700MHz G3 and then see how much "better" your beloved x86 is.

Well the c't (germanys leading IT-magazine) did just that !
Actually they took a P3 and G4 at 1ghz and ran some benches
on them. Both sides were compiled with GCC and they P3
showed slighly better results (~ 10-20%).
A AthlonXP would be even faster a 1ghz (real clock).

You may put some blame on the gcc, but then its the only option
for COS4-SW (atleast if you don't want to start on ASM again).
Altivec may also have added  to a better result, but that would
need heavy work on the sources and some SW simply can't
make use off it no matter what you do.

Almost forgot: The A1 doesn't have Altivec  :-o

PPC is good when you need:
Low power-consumption.
Low heating.
Long life in hard envoirements

If you want number-crunching-power x86 is the only option.

Will this change with G5 vs AMD-64 ?
Don't know but i have some serious doubts on it.

[Kronos]

And here I though that Intel just abandoned the x86 architecture with its Itanium(which of course is left looooooooooong behind, in the wake of the Sun ultrasparc III).

With x86 i also meant the upcoming 64bit-CPUs by Intel and AMD.

Anyway, didn't the Original Amiga have a processor for multitasking

Depends on what you mean.
The copper can be viewed as some type of "HW-multitasking",
but you could say the same about the 3D-GFX-chips on AGP-cards.
Exec-multitasking is only be done by the CPU and as long as it has
some basic features this could be done on any modern CPU.

Rambus is a good attempt to increase one of the lacking speeds in The PC system. the next lack is the bus speed.

Shawn
Rambus is good (for every system) but far to expensive.

Why doesn't the AmigaOne utilize SCSI as a standard ?

1.The A1 wasn't developed for the Amiga-market and Eyetech
had (more or less) to take whats available.

2.UDMA100 will max out any existing HD (even SCSI-ones) and
(fast)SCSI-HDs are extremly expensive.
3.SCSI in desktop-systems will be replaced by FireWire
(or maybe USB2).

Hi my Name is Insanity

Seems to fit  :-P  :-P  :-P
(just kidding)

[Kronos]

Check out some dual g4 500mhz vs dual P3 1ghz photoshop benchmarks .... the G4 trashes the p3.

Photoshop-MAC uses Altivec while Photoshop-Win doesn't
use MMX or 3dNOW! so thats not fair.
Photoshop is the only positive benchmark for the G4.

Now what will we get for the Amiga ?

No Altivec and definitly no Photoshop !

The only way to get serious benchmarks for ppc vs x86 is if you run them on exactly the same platform ,

Well then run some linux-benches on the AOne and 600mhz/P3.

X86 is faster than PPC (now), but that doesn't mean it must be
the right choice for AOS.
The only thing that should be clear is that simply closing our
eyes to this realitiy won't help us when we try to convince
new users.

This could be done by this:" Want a new computer thats easy
to use,silent boots in less thab 30 seconds and can be turned
off immedialty ?"

[Kronos]

The PowerPC technology is on fertile ground now,

That has been said for the last 5 years and still they fall further behind.

The PowerPC technology is on fertile ground now, whereas x86 is getting long in the tooth and has a unpredictable future ahead.

That most have been in the rumour-box for the last 15 years.

[ Edited by Kronos on 2002/5/3 18:21:03 ]

[Kronos]

I'd be more impressed if the trolls learned how to spell.

So everyone who hasn't learned english as his/hers native language is a troll ?

A troll is someone who only post to insult or spreads false information.

The pro-x86 people aren't trolls, they just have a different oppinon.