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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: meerschaum on July 05, 2003, 06:16:01 PM
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I was reading a web board and someone professed to having owned an AmigaOneXE G4 system, and claimed they where asked to keep quiet about problems they had with it....
I wonder if this is just trolling or if its true?.....some A1 owners can answer that best.....maybe its just beta testers?
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question answered... and the answer was 'no' ... :-P :-D ;-)
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probably official os4 beta testers...
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Seems every Earlybird user is called to stay quiet
about the flaws and problems that needs to be
adressed.
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I reckon that is bull i have had no problems and im not even using the ecc memory.If i had any problems i would soon moan aboat it and warn other people about buying one. :-D
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Back your claim by posting a link to the web forum. Maybe it´s just fud from a pegasos owner...
Well anyway, who told him to shut his mouth? His mother?
Maybe it was the "evil dongle" who told him.
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129999 kb memory FAILED
Don´t tell anyone
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:-D
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Seems every Earlybird user is called to stay quiet
Eyetech never told me to keep quiet they just want my email address to sighn me up to the dev list. :-? :-) :-)
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Well I aint been told to keep quite about anything.
I have mine for a few weeks now, and other than some problems with debian (due to my own messsing around) all works very well now.
Regards
Mostafa
PROUD owner of A1-XE G3 @800
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=4&topic_id=805&post_id=8011&viewmode=thread&order=0#8011 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=4&topic_id=805&post_id=8011&viewmode=thread&order=0#8011)
"Being an A1XE owner and operator myself, I have
had my fair share of problems and
misunderstandings with my AmigaOne but I would
never label the motherboard as "buggy" or a "dead
duck."
What is really sad is that I (and every other Earlybird
A1 owner) have been requested to remain silent on
the specifics. As everyone knows, there are a few
problems left to be resolved but nothing remotely
approaching a stop shipment or recall status. I
would have prefered open forums so that everyone
could help flush out problems and find solutions but
the destructive vocal minority has made sure that
will never happen."
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I haven't been told to shut up about anything either.
I also don't have any problems with my AmigaOne-XE G3 800 MHz. I have really cheap memory in it and it runs faultless with DMA on.
By the way; if you're an A1 owner then there is only 1 mailing list that's of any use and that is the A1G3Dev mailing list you can get subscribed to when you have the board.
If there is 1 thing to complain about it's the lack of a search function.
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What a strange claim.
I have had my A1 since Nov 02 and never read/heard such a request from Eyetech or anyone else.
The only requests made have been to post queries to the dev list, rather than to open fora. This is good sense as there are far more useful people contributing to the devlist than to the flamefest-free-for-all-fora. :)
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I'm an idiot...doh... didnt see the 'earlybird' there... guess its just beta testers then?...
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Is it really possible to keep Amiga users quiet about anything? :-D
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Posting this from my AmigaONE Earlybird. I have not been told to do anything.. Every problem I have encountered so far has been discussed im publicum.
But to the blind cult followers I'm lying my teeths off, right?
/Björn
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What a bullshit thread
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If you were selling buggy hardware, would you want your customers telling the World about it? Of course not. Same with Eyetech.
I know for a fact that a lot of people have had problems, but do we hear about these problems on forums so that prospective customers can get the full picture before parting with their hard-earned cash for an A1 board? Do we heck.
I'm not saying that Eyetech should stop selling the boards but they should at least give people the full picture on what to expect when the board arrives, warts and all.
It's hard to believe that people spend so much money on a product which doesn't work as it should, and just put up with these problems without so much as a second thought.
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its a load of bull. i'm an earlybird owner and i have never been asked to keep quiet.
what a crap thread. just giving the pegasos trolls a chance to have a go at the amiga users again.
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>What a strange claim.
(...)
>The only requests made have been to post queries
>to the dev list, rather than to open fora
Hm, that's exactly what the other guy said, no?
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My motherboard worked first time and debian was easy to install i just need to work out how to sort the screenmode out but even my cheap 256 meg sd ram has caused no poblems .I will buy 512 mb off ecc later on . :-)
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Oh yeah, could every one who's tried AROS please keep quiet about any problems :lol:
Only joking, all bug report are welcome.
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@meer
Having never seen or heard of such a request, I can't say whether it is, or is not true. Is it so hard to believe however that this is yet another instance where things are being blown way, way out of context?
If, for example, Eyetech and Hyperion have "100" bug reports on one known problem and tell their beta testers that "we are aware of this problem and will be fixing it shortly, but in the meantime, please don't make a big deal out of this." that really would constitute being asked to "keep things quiet". However, in context, it's a perfectly rational request.
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Wayne thats very true... wich is why I asked instead of stated... but its nevertheless a good question... I mean after the whole articia debacle the question still lingers... is the articia really that messed up? or what?... when can we see an objective source get both boards and see whats up...
but it appears its only a developer/beta tester thing and not a real problem anyway... still wanted to hear some input about it...
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Are AmigaOne owners being asked to keep quiet????
Why would you ask such a silly question?
Are Pegasos owners being asked to keep quiet???
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redfox
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Weren't the Artica bugs supposedly fixed before
they hit the G4 A1's? Did MAI redesign the whole
thing internally or what? I can't seem to find
any info either on the redesign/or whatever
route(s) they took to fix it.
It seems like alot of waffling going on here
about this nonesense and not very many
'sraight shooter' type answers.
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@meerschaum
Next time, I'd appreciate it if you would reply to my post directly instead of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I hope I don't get into any trouble over this but here is a quote from the web server:
About A1g3dev
A closed list forum for purchasers of the AmigaOne PPC boards for Linux-PPC and OS4.
Postings to this list are confidential to list members and must not be cross-posted to other lists or to individuals except by the moderator (Ole-Egil) or the list owner (Eyetech).
Perhaps my choice of language was too strong. Perhaps I made a leap of logic by considering all information on the private list to be sensitive and not just entire email messages. Oh well, my mistake.
In any case, I don't understand why those on the private list would say there is no more-sensitive-than-usual information on there. Members have full access to the archives but I suppose they haven't browsed them.
Like I said on AmigaWorld.net, I'm still disappointed we all can't share all the information and be on the same page but things are what they are for the time being. There is just too much noise and marketing out there which is why different groups have had to resort to private lists and the like. I still maintain that things will drastically improve once completed products begin to appear.
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the only problem i have, apart to be a Debian newie, is overheating.
I live in Palma de mallorca, a very warm city in Spain, and I have to use my AmigaOne G4 with 3 fans inside the tower.
I think Eyetech changed the G4 module to solve this.
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I still maintain that things will drastically improve once completed products begin to appear
ho hum... :-(
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Quite an amusing thread :-)
Reminds me of Blackadder 4, and Baldrick's suggestion of how to find out who was the German spy in the field hospital, going around asking everyone "are you a German spy?"
Or going up to any official and asking "is there a conspiracy?"
Meerschaum, you're in danger of getting a reputation of being a mud thrower :-)
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redfox wrote:
Are AmigaOne owners being asked to keep quiet????
Why would you ask such a silly question?
Are Pegasos owners being asked to keep quiet???
Well.. Can't comment on others but I'll been way too busy with all other things in my life to spend enough quality time with Pega. Besides, it works just the same as those people on verious reviews have been saying so there is not much left to be said. So. I'll expect it's something similar to most other Pega/Aone users, if there is not much new to say, people don't babble..
For questions/help.. I'll rather ask on IRC cause it'll easier and replies come faster. :-)
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@ ssolie
Like I said on AmigaWorld.net, I'm still disappointed we all can't share all the information and be on the same page but things are what they are for the time being.
The reason for this is simple. Beta testers for most projects spot problems with products that aren't quite mature yet. A product could have zillions of flaws in it, but quite frankly who cares if they've all been got rid of before the release? What company would you class as better, one that could get rid of all the flaws before the product is released, or the one that doesn't? Should the former have all chances of selling their product successfully because there were once flaws in their product, even before it was publicly available?
The logic isn't restricted to just people who want to earn money. Anyone with any kind of responsibility should only speak out about it if there is a definite danger to those that person is responsible for. Air stewardesses aren't going to shout "BOMB!" on an aeroplane just because they see a potentially suspect package, because there would be widespread panic. Widespread panic doesn't help situations.
Giving the other side of my opinion though, companies should make their potential customers aware of issues with the product they are selling when the product is declared worthy for release.
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I had an Amigaone G3 traded it in for a G4
No one ever mentioned not to post problems
In fact most problems have been made public knowledge on the A1 list and are discussed in detail in various forums.
certain things are of the oops nature you know the latest bios update failed to initialize the PAR: port. somebody mentioned it and the next rom update that was fixed but then someone recompiled debian and the floppy was disabled.
you know as one problem is fixed something else invariably pops up. when you have a number of people working on things somethings get fixed while breaking other things. Sometimes the smart thing is to sit back for a few days wait till it gets sorted out before jumping into the fray.
The AtriciaS bugs not to start a war. But any rational nonbiased person would say they are minor and fixable in software once you are aware of them. To prove my point Genesi manufactured several dozen more pegasos boards after Bill Buck cliamed to have tossed the rest of the AtriciaS chips out for being buggy. Marketing hype nothing more.
Ask any Pegasos or Amigaone owner about thier boards and they woulds tell you the same thing yes they work no they are not any more unstable than your typical PC or jazzed up Amiga. the stability is from the beta nature of the software not dire hardware failures
Overheating of the G4s is a common problem on the Amigaone because of the anemic Heatsink that was supplied by Eyetech My suggestion is rip it off and place a decent sized one on it. Get one designed for a Radeon or Gforce card it should plug right in just make sure you put the power plug in right.
EI read the docs. Some fans will short the 12V and the 3.3v lines if you are not careful.
better yet forget the plug on the board if you are not sure and get an adapter to plug it into the power supply
the only other major problem people had with the Pegasos and Amigaones are the fact that the AtriciaS is real finicky about the type of RAM it takes. Many Amigaone owner had problems with insability because of ram incompatibilities My suggestion buy the ram from your Amiga pegasos dealer might cost a few more dollars than your bargain ram from Super micro mega wharehouse. But it works.
Kurt
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only prob ihave had was memory issues , but then again linux is a problem, i hate it...
so it wont be much used until i get os4 on it...
anyway as everyone else said here, i havent heard of such an thing to be quiet, infact i am against such.
bugs and problems should be open to all , either if its pegasos or amigaone or a x86 board etc.
because we do actually oWN the hardware and we have bought it from hard earned cash.
anyway my hard earned a1xe800 stands in my closet atm and gathering dust, i find my old a1200 better since it have aos...simple as that.
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Don't worry, NONE of the amiga stuff, be it hardware or software, is as buggy as Windows on PC compat. WIndows has tons of bugs, it just has 2 gigs of code, so you run into a very small perecentage, I'm not a dev so I probably run into a tiny fraction of Xp bugs (actually for me, Xp is alright, not Fun per se, but it works) I crashed my cousins windows Me laptop in about 2 minutes. Mellenium Edition proves people will buy shyte computer products so long as its prepackaged (99% M$). Despite what many vendors are trying to claim isn't true, PCs are no less complex than they were in the 80s, if not more so...
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Don't worry, I bet A1s are rock solid compared to most PCs
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meerschaum, why do I get the impression you're trying to spread fud about the... what did you call it again? WaffleOne
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lempkee wrote:
only prob ihave had was memory issues , but then again linux is a problem, i hate it...
so it wont be much used until i get os4 on it...
anyway my hard earned a1xe800 stands in my closet atm and gathering dust, i find my old a1200 better since it have aos...simple as that.
Yep.. This is the other reason I don't expect much comments from AmigaOne users. I know by my own experience tha Linux ain't right for everyone, and it's sure to cause quite many users to stop using machine while waiting OS4 to appear. Or alternatively suffering with badly installed/configured Linux... and it's not much to write about.
IMHO offering a machine with Amiga nametag and Linux as only available OS was quite misleading. It's a kinda expensive item to keep on closet or box while waiting...
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zacman wrote:
>What a strange claim.
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>The only requests made have been to post queries
>to the dev list, rather than to open fora
Hm, that's exactly what the other guy said, no?
Surely that wiould be sensible? Rather than posting, "My AmigaOne is broken" on ANN actually go and post on a list where.
a)People can help.
b)Eyetech can see any problems and then resolve them from the future. Or do you expect Eyetech to have to trawl though every single comment on every single site?
Some people are just trying to make something out of nothing.
@Lando
You'd only want to know warts and all so you could tear it out of the A1 and tell everyone to go buy a Peg and MOS instead.
@JoannaK
Do you really think an Earlybird purchaser is going to open up the package and go "Shit! Where's OS 4?". How is it misleading? The Hardware itself has ZERO to do with Amiga hardware anyways.
I think that although people have aired dirty laundry out in the open no-one wants to disclose everything during this crucial, sensitive time in the process. Genesi even asked people not to post Screenshots of thier Ambient desktops at one point. People around here are so used to public bitch-fights that they don't seem to grasp that some parts have to be kept undisclosed until products are actually ready for proper consumer market.
For once lets just let the products do the talking OK?
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For once lets just let the products do the talking OK?
Here here - well in Uncharted!
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well, i guess every amigaone owner got his own experience with the "amigaohne" (german word play "amigawithout"),
so here is mine ;)
putting the thing together was quiet easy, ist just a normal atx board.
on first poweron everything was fine. the machine was running without any signs of a hardware problem.
the first thing i did notice was that it did not find my scsi controller.
its a symbios 53c8xx based card, so it should have worked.
unfourtunatly the pci device adress for scsi is a fixed value with the current amigaone bios (uboot), but this is going to be "fixed".
so i got myself some aged ide harddrive and 1 ide dvdrom to get the thing to run something at all.
unlucky me had decided to go for a radeon 9100, that made the graphical interface (xserver) impossible to run, if you are not connected to the internet (unless you can happily go through a massive dependency tree).
well, 2 weeks later i got online and had the thing running.
if i tryed to start a browser it was crashing, pretty much strange i thought, but it was due to irq problems. took me just some days to find out, hey i was used to amigas and never taken care of irqs.
the browser was about to use sound and my soundcard was on the same irq as usb and network or was it with via stuff together?... cant remeber.
as i did try to enable dma for ide devices i had to reinstall linux thereafter, but thats probably not a bug in hardware, but my over 10 years old ide harddrive which doesnt seem to be dma capable ;)
still i was not happy, the mouse was connected to usb and running very unsmooth, replaced by a ps2 mouse later, made me change my mind about the xservers performance as well, linux did feel much better then.
so now i have my linux running nicely, scsi works with the kernel from the amigaone linux page and still i have strange things happening.
few days ago i found out the memory has biterrors, even tho i ordered it with the amigaone from my dealer, looks like im unlucky again and have to send the ram back in for a replacement. these simple memtesters in the linux pool didnt find the errors when i did the test some time ago, so i was about to blame the board, but i got prof it has to be the mem later then.
besides i had no clue of linux at the start, that made things like installing etc a very time consuming process for me, as i had to read like a maniac all the time how to do these and how to do that, this made me feel like a total computer newbie :)
so this is what you get if you give some clueless german pc style hardware and a linux ;)
at first i did blame linux, then i did blame the board, now i do stick to blame myself for not recognising the signs of bad memory.
(or maybe i blame kingston, yeah thats good :) )
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When ordering my A1 board there was no mention of this. After recieving the box with all parts, a lot of guides and papers where included but none of these mentioned anything about 'not dicussing possible problems'.
in fact, i did not sign an NDA of any kind, so who is going to stop/sue me if i tell something bad about the board? (not that i have anything bad to say about it anyway) :-P
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Some people are just trying to make something out of nothing.
@Lando
You'd only want to know warts and all so you could tear it out of the A1 and tell everyone to go buy a Peg and MOS instead.
Well, I am hurt that you would think that.
I think that most people who read my posts will agree that I am as impartial as the next person.
We have to judge both products on their merits and deficiencies but how can we do this if we're only hearing half the story?
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Lando wrote:
Some people are just trying to make something out of nothing.
@Lando
You'd only want to know warts and all so you could tear it out of the A1 and tell everyone to go buy a Peg and MOS instead.
Well, I am hurt that you would think that.
I think that most people who read my posts will agree that I am as impartial as the next person.
We have to judge both products on their merits and deficiencies but how can we do this if we're only hearing half the story?
You are miles from impartial, jack.
And the whole thread being started by a dedicated Morphos fan? Yeah, that doesn't reek.
edit: was corrected later in the thread
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Lando wrote:
Well, I am hurt that you would think that.
I think that most people who read my posts will agree that I am as impartial as the next person.
Well I can only go by what you post. Most recent posting:-
AmigaOne: No
It's a generic board, buggy, horrendously expensive and currently only runs linux. The only connection it has in with the Amiga computer is the sticker that Eyetech put on it.
Pegasos: Yes.
It is custom designed (like the real Amiga) by Amiga hardware experts (like the real Amiga), runs existing Amiga applications (both PPC and 68k) (like the real Amiga) .
Most people realise the Teron/AmigaOne is dead and it's only the real "name" fanatics who would still consider purchasing one, especially with all the problems people have been experiencing, and the far-superior (and far cheaper) Pegasos II due out very soon.
I REALLY can't detect any bias there
We have to judge both products on their merits and deficiencies but how can we do this if we're only hearing half the story?
Well if your waiting to hear the full story from either side you're in for a very long wait. But then again it seems you have jack all interest in that anyways, you've made your mind up already.
Both companies have gotten around the fact that both boards are not ready for consumer use by only releasing "Betatester" or "Earlybird" boards. Both companies have (sensibly) held back information while they have rectified a problem. Both companies have pretty much done the same things all the way through.
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And the whole thread being started by a dedicated Morphos user? Yeah, that doesn't reek.
Actually Meer/Mips doesn't actually use MOS or a pegasos. I thought I'd better point that out before the zealots jump down your throat and actually try to make an arguement out of it.
Still knowing Meer's long time stance it does seem a bit fishy. :-)
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Artica problems - bullshit.
Being asked to keep quiet - bullshit.
MorphOS users stirring up BULLSHIT.
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