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Title: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on May 19, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Sylvania Internet Device Processor VIA 8650 512MB (DDR2) 2GB Flash WiFi 802.11 b/g/n x3 USB 2.0 7" Windows Compact SYNET07WICV

http://www.compuvest.com/Desc.jsp?iid=1749168

Coupon CVR832561 for extra $15 off.

$39 with free shipping
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 19, 2012, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: Iggy;693624
Sylvania Internet Device Processor VIA 8650 512MB (DDR2) 2GB Flash WiFi 802.11 b/g/n x3 USB 2.0 7" Windows Compact SYNET07WICV

http://www.compuvest.com/Desc.jsp?iid=1749168

Coupon CVR832561 for extra $15 off.

$39 with free shipping


You ordered one?

If you do, come back tell us about your experience! :)

(Crazy price! :shocked:)
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: spirantho on May 19, 2012, 09:06:34 PM
Careful with those netbooks though, they're not of interest to most geeks because you're stuck with Windows. On many of them you can't even change the installed software (e.g. update your browser) let alone change the OS - they're all set up in ROM.

As long as all you want to do is to view older webpages not too fast, they'll be ok, but if you intend to do anything funky you'll probably be disappointed. Caveat emptor.

That said, if it is cool then tell us. :)
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: XDelusion on May 19, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
My friend has one sorta like that...

You should be able to run Puppy Linux on it at the very least.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: spirantho on May 19, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
Would be interesting to see. You might need to hack it up to remove the internal ROM though. I very much doubt it's able to boot from anything that's not the built-in Windows Compact.

Quote from the manual:
"Please note that this product is not a computer. It is a wireless
Mobile Internet Device with a Windows® Embedded Operating System."

Of course the manual never stopped anyone though. :)
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on May 19, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
I've found other devices that use the same hardware that run Android.
I don't know if this device's OS can be changed, but for $39 I can use it around the house to view web pages.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: GrizzlyAdams on May 20, 2012, 12:40:58 AM
Most of those use a common embedded board. Its an ARM9 cpu, 640x480 display, Windows CE (various versions... We have a CE 4.2 based unit at work that looks very similar to this one).  In fact the one we have shares the same board with a 7" android tablet (also crap).  9V chargers are common with these, often undersized to charge the battery.  Also the battery protection circuit is *horrible* on most of these if you ever let the battery go flat.  Basically the protection IC will cut itself off from the battery, and requires manual resetting & charging.
We bought one used for $5 off someone, just to have an example of what not to buy. (I work at an independent computer store.)
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: psxphill on May 20, 2012, 12:41:33 AM
Quote from: spirantho;693646
Careful with those netbooks though, they're not of interest to most geeks because you're stuck with Windows. On many of them you can't even change the installed software (e.g. update your browser) let alone change the OS - they're all set up in ROM.

If it was windows it wouldn't be a problem, but it's windows ce.
 
The operating system is almost certainly stored in flash and not rom. So you should be able to replace it, but you'd need to find an android or linux build for it. You should also be able to install a different web browser as well, if you can find one.
 
It's not going to be great, but the price reflects that.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: tone007 on May 20, 2012, 01:21:24 AM
Being stuck with CE would be a bummer, but there is hope: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port

Good link/coupon code combo, Iggy.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on May 20, 2012, 02:57:51 AM
Quote from: tone007;693672
Being stuck with CE would be a bummer, but there is hope: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port

Good link/coupon code combo, Iggy.

Great reference Tone.

Windows CE is not the greatest product.
But as this is ARM based, its about the only alternative to Android/Linux

I've already reviewed the manual and the OS can be updated.
It does state that the device "is not a computer", which is of course silly.
As you can load and run other software, of course its a computer.
A rather limited one, but still a computer.

And my first use will be web browsing, which it seems well suited to (although being stuck with Internet explorer is a bummer).
Goggle docs ought to work so I've got basic office functionality.

Obviously an Android or Linux replacement OS would be desirable.
I'd really prefer Firefox.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: commodorejohn on May 20, 2012, 03:30:01 AM
Quote from: Iggy;693679
Windows CE is not the greatest product.
But as this is ARM based, its about the only alternative to Android/Linux
Wonder if the RISC OS diehards ever port to systems like this... ;)

Quote
It does state that the device "is not a computer", which is of course silly.
As you can load and run other software, of course its a computer.
A rather limited one, but still a computer.
Ten bucks says this is thanks to dimwits calling up to rage and demand a refund because they automatically assume that any computer that isn't a Mac is a PC...

Quote
And my first use will be web browsing, which it seems well suited to (although being stuck with Internet explorer is a bummer).
I'd be awfully surprised if there isn't at least one alternative browser...from a quick Google search, supposedly Dorothy (http://www.dorothybrowser.com/) and Opera Mini (http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/) will work on Windows CE...
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on May 22, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
I haven't found an alternate browser, but the included one is based on IE7.

Purchased a second one while the deal was still valid.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: persia on May 23, 2012, 10:33:42 PM
Windows CE

(http://ohiok.com/img/cowmooos/emoticons/animated/roflmao.gif)
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: commodorejohn on May 23, 2012, 10:51:24 PM
Quote from: persia;694088
Windows CE

(http://ohiok.com/img/cowmooos/emoticons/animated/roflmao.gif)
Hey, I'll take CE over Windows 8 any day...
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: tone007 on June 01, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
I really don't think there's any modern OS worse than CE (not that CE itself is modern, in my opinion,) unless it's set up for a particular embedded function, maybe as a microwave keypad or TV remote or something.  It doesn't belong on anything resembling a PC, and the first thing I did when this little Sylvania showed up was start fighting with Debian.  Took a bit, but now I'd call it usable.

(http://cbmvax.com/syl1.jpg)
(http://cbmvax.com/syl2.jpg)

At $39, it was worth playing with.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: B00tDisk on June 01, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
$39, with a screen?  Cheaper than a gumstix or Raspberry Pi, might be a neat toy to play around with, or grab a couple and give to the kids.  Thanks for the heads-up!
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on June 01, 2012, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;694878
$39, with a screen?  Cheaper than a gumstix or Raspberry Pi, might be a neat toy to play around with, or grab a couple and give to the kids.  Thanks for the heads-up!


Well, guess I threw away some more of my funds.
The Sylvania netbook previously mentioned comes with an early version of Windows CE7.
The wifi doesn't work and patches that claim to fix this haven't worked for me.
The available update also doesn't seem to make any improvements.
The include Youtube viewer works good, but IE7 works really poorly, its buggy and slow as molasses.
If there was a Linux distro available for this it might be worth it.
Its got a 600MHz VIA ARM processor and fairly good 800x480 graphics.

But the included OS/software sucks..
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: phoenixkonsole on June 01, 2012, 09:45:52 PM
Try Opera (Mini)
http://sbonkov.blogspot.de/2011/01/install-opera-mini-browser-on-windows.html

WinCE isn't that bad at all..... ; ) muhahahahahaahha!

Please i would like to see a benchmark.
Use  Sysinfo in debian to becnhmark it. Take some minutes...


EDIT: I meant "Hardinfo" : )

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694458&postcount=43
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: phoenixkonsole on June 01, 2012, 09:54:58 PM
Are those specs correct:
http://www.sylvaniacomputers.com/product.php?id_product=41

1GHZ ARM11 ? Faster than Pi? A whole netbook? ; )
Benchmark please!
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on June 03, 2012, 04:31:24 AM
Quote from: phoenixkonsole;694917
Are those specs correct:
http://www.sylvaniacomputers.com/product.php?id_product=41

1GHZ ARM11 ? Faster than Pi? A whole netbook? ; )
Benchmark please!


No, these are the specs.
http://www.sylvaniacomputers.com/product.php?id_product=45

i think its either 600 or 800 MHz.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on June 03, 2012, 04:32:57 AM
Quote from: tone007;694872
I really don't think there's any modern OS worse than CE (not that CE itself is modern, in my opinion,) unless it's set up for a particular embedded function, maybe as a microwave keypad or TV remote or something.  It doesn't belong on anything resembling a PC, and the first thing I did when this little Sylvania showed up was start fighting with Debian.  Took a bit, but now I'd call it usable.

(http://cbmvax.com/syl1.jpg)
(http://cbmvax.com/syl2.jpg)

At $39, it was worth playing with.

Details tone?
I could go for that OS.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: tone007 on June 03, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: Iggy;695085
Details tone?
I could go for that OS.


As no one in that thread posted earlier decided to put all the good info together, I'll try:

1. Get an SD card (2GB minimum, I believe, I'm using a 4GB.)  The Debian install goes here and runs from here.

2. Download the large file from one of these mirrors: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__st__160

3. Make 2 partitions on the SD card (best to do this in Linux or something similar,) first partition FAT32 around 32MB or so, second partition ext2 utilizing the rest of the card, and then untar the fat32 and ext2 files from the above download to their respective partitions, fat32 contains about 2 files and the ext2 contains the entire Linux filesystem

4. Insert SD card into your Smartbook and power it up, it should start booting Debian.

5. Follow the xorg.conf fix here to get the internal keyboard working: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__view__findpost__p__301472 (can be done on-device using a USB keyboard)

6. Getting WiFi going is a little trickier, as I forget exactly where these files were located (something like /lib/modules/2.something) but you'll need to replace the rt3070sta.ko file with the rt3070sta_rt5370.ko in the same folder.  After rebooting, you should be able to enable WiFi using the WIFI ON option in one of the menus.

After all that, be advised that I've had mine fail to boot if it wasn't shut down correctly and the only way I found to fix it was to redo the whole SD card. The device doesn't seem to support text mode, so no full screen console, I was disappoint(ed.)

I should probably get it all running fresh and take an image of the whole SD card.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: gertsy on June 03, 2012, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: tone007;695104
As no one in that thread posted earlier decided to put all the good info together, I'll try:

1. Get an SD card (2GB minimum, I believe, I'm using a 4GB.)  The Debian install goes here and runs from here.

2. Download the large file from one of these mirrors: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__st__160

3. Make 2 partitions on the SD card (best to do this in Linux or something similar,) first partition FAT32 around 32MB or so, second partition ext2 utilizing the rest of the card, and then untar the fat32 and ext2 files from the above download to their respective partitions, fat32 contains about 2 files and the ext2 contains the entire Linux filesystem

4. Insert SD card into your Smartbook and power it up, it should start booting Debian.

5. Follow the xorg.conf fix here to get the internal keyboard working: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__view__findpost__p__301472 (can be done on-device using a USB keyboard)

6. Getting WiFi going is a little trickier, as I forget exactly where these files were located (something like /lib/modules/2.something) but you'll need to replace the rt3070sta.ko file with the rt3070sta_rt5370.ko in the same folder.  After rebooting, you should be able to enable WiFi using the WIFI ON option in one of the menus.

After all that, be advised that I've had mine fail to boot if it wasn't shut down correctly and the only way I found to fix it was to redo the whole SD card. The device doesn't seem to support text mode, so no full screen console, I was disappoint(ed.)

I should probably get it all running fresh and take an image of the whole SD card.


Sounds like its worth $39.
Title: Re: Really cheap netbook
Post by: Iggy on June 04, 2012, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: tone007;695104
As no one in that thread posted earlier decided to put all the good info together, I'll try:

1. Get an SD card (2GB minimum, I believe, I'm using a 4GB.)  The Debian install goes here and runs from here.

2. Download the large file from one of these mirrors: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__st__160

3. Make 2 partitions on the SD card (best to do this in Linux or something similar,) first partition FAT32 around 32MB or so, second partition ext2 utilizing the rest of the card, and then untar the fat32 and ext2 files from the above download to their respective partitions, fat32 contains about 2 files and the ext2 contains the entire Linux filesystem

4. Insert SD card into your Smartbook and power it up, it should start booting Debian.

5. Follow the xorg.conf fix here to get the internal keyboard working: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__view__findpost__p__301472 (can be done on-device using a USB keyboard)

6. Getting WiFi going is a little trickier, as I forget exactly where these files were located (something like /lib/modules/2.something) but you'll need to replace the rt3070sta.ko file with the rt3070sta_rt5370.ko in the same folder.  After rebooting, you should be able to enable WiFi using the WIFI ON option in one of the menus.

After all that, be advised that I've had mine fail to boot if it wasn't shut down correctly and the only way I found to fix it was to redo the whole SD card. The device doesn't seem to support text mode, so no full screen console, I was disappoint(ed.)

I should probably get it all running fresh and take an image of the whole SD card.


Hey tone,
The files at  http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/2121.../page__st__160 (http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__st__160) are listed as no longer available by the server.
Do you have a more direct link to them?