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Title: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: GadgetMaster on July 15, 2002, 08:15:22 PM
Mike Bouma has published a new lengthy article article about the AmigaOne and OS4.

There are some new OS 4 screenshot and details of different configurations of linux and MOL running on the A1 developer board.

Whilst a lot of material has been covered elsewhere this the first article that combines all the different aspects of the new systems into an article that does the platform justice.

Read it here on OsNews (http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1356&page=3)

Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: GadgetMaster on July 15, 2002, 08:14:47 PM
I really think thing are starting to fall in place now and the article demonstrates this by putting all the relevant links into some sort of order

Oh and did i mention that the new OS4 screenshots are exclusive to that article at the moment.
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Coder on July 15, 2002, 08:49:16 PM
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Oh and did i mention that the new OS4 screenshots are exclusive to that article at the moment.


I allready thought so. Great article.

Coder
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: redrumloa on July 15, 2002, 08:55:46 PM
Damn good article!! (http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/bigok.gif)
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: GadgetMaster on July 15, 2002, 10:26:01 PM
NewsForge (http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/02/07/15/1017249.shtml?tid=13) has also linked to the article now.

Not surprising how articles that actually have some substance are quickly picked up by the mainstream media.
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: hnl_dk on July 15, 2002, 11:00:34 PM
Yes, it's really a great article :-D
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: L8-X on July 16, 2002, 12:12:29 AM
Yeah, well thought out and presented.

Enjoyed reading it.
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Housey on July 16, 2002, 01:22:14 AM
Yeah, good article :-)

Don't shoot me if you've seen this  here. (http://www.stormloader.com/amiga/osnews/amiga5.htm) I just love the requesters  :-D
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: hnl_dk on July 16, 2002, 01:34:37 AM
Looks great, thanks Housey :-D
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Kent on July 16, 2002, 02:09:54 AM
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Don't shoot me if you've seen this here. I just love the requesters


The requesters are nice however I'd love to see them without the sizing gadget, the huge bottom border, and an option to cancel each of them.  Also, I'd like to see a universal standard taken using the words "Ouch" or "Sorry" doesn't cut the mustard for those trying to work their way around the OS when they can't read english.  Everyone knows what "OK" is... and most know what "Cancel" is.  The other thing I would like to see with the requesters is removing the "zoom" gadget or replacing it with an iconify gadget.

Something I would love to see is the ASL lists give the option of going to parent with the click of the middle mouse button (instead of root).

:pint:
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Coder on July 16, 2002, 02:15:06 AM
Those new screenshots of OS4 are reall. One minor detail I might say is that why they are only in that article. Not everyone will read that article. They also belong on the screenshots website. And those screenshots are not showing the end result, it's just for giving an impression.

Coder
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: hnl_dk on July 16, 2002, 02:38:01 AM
I think thats why they (amigawebring) on the AmigaOne ML wrote:
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Dear fellow Amiga fans,

There is a new Amiga article available over at OSNews.com This
article includes some new AmigaOS4 screenshots and information.

You can check out the article at the following location:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1356

Please spread this information onto related news websites and to
other interested individuals.
:-D  :-D  :-D
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Herewegoagain on July 16, 2002, 03:58:02 AM
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The requesters are nice however I'd love to see them without the sizing gadget, the huge bottom border, and an option to cancel each of them. Also, I'd like to see a universal standard taken using the words "Ouch" or "Sorry" doesn't cut the mustard for those trying to work their way around the OS when they can't read english. Everyone knows what "OK" is... and most know what "Cancel" is. The other thing I would like to see with the requesters is removing the "zoom" gadget or replacing it with an iconify gadget.


I don't think you should take the requesters litterally... They are probably mockups of how the requesters will look with some graphics.  I thought the same at first but then figured they are not final but examples.
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: redrumloa on July 16, 2002, 04:33:54 AM
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Also, I'd like to see a universal standard taken using the words "Ouch" or "Sorry" doesn't cut the mustard for those trying to work their way around the OS when they can't read english.


I strongly disagree!! The messages are fine, they just need to be localised. Why not be different? Did you dislike GURU? Well I mean I know you did not like to get visited by the GURU, but it was more unique than "software failure". :-P
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: hnl_dk on July 16, 2002, 05:06:16 AM
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (134.58.253.114) on 15-Jul-2002 07:27:13
In Reply to Comment 2:
I can confirm that the screenshots are genuine.

They are still only intended to give you an idea about the degree of configurability and flexibility we are introducing into the AmigaOS GUI.

They do not therefore represent the final appearance of OS 4.

from here!!! (http://ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1026716271&category=news&start=1&68#message3) :-D  :-o  :-D
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: bhoggett on July 16, 2002, 05:21:13 AM
They should be configurable. It's all very well saying that messages like "Ouch" and "Sorry" add to the character, but the fact is that they make software feel unprofessional. The messages should retain standard text such as "OK" as the default setting, but have a preferences setting where the alert messages can be switched to "fun" mode, where the more childish responses would be displayed.
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Allen on July 16, 2002, 05:47:34 AM
Isn't this a repost of what BobSirJonny posted
earlier today?


Allen
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Weasel on July 16, 2002, 06:12:16 AM
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he fact is that they make software feel unprofessional


personal preference i guess, but i think it shows that it was programmed by people that were enjoying themselves.
First time somebody i installed linux for saw some similar requester he said: well at least they were having fun making this.

Maybe it even makes people actually read the requester instead of clicking 'ok' as fast as possible to get rid of it.(as i usually do on windows). But it shouldn't be overdone, just some of the requesters that pop up very rarely like; fatal error, syntax error, reboot now,software failure, etc..
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Herewegoagain on July 16, 2002, 07:42:05 AM
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Ben Hermans, the AmigaOS4 project manager, recently informed me that the new USB stack for AmigaOS4 already works with Highway and Subway USB controllers.


This is also good news, and I'm glad to see it.  There was debate over this a month or two ago.  Good to see a compliant stack that works with both.
Title: Re: A Closer Look at the New Amiga Systems (Mike Bouma)
Post by: Kent on July 16, 2002, 07:49:19 AM
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I strongly disagree!! The messages are fine, they just need to be localised. Why not be different? Did you dislike GURU? Well I mean I know you did not like to get visited by the GURU, but it was more unique than "software failure".


Now there's a good point.  The requester information buttons should be localized to what the end user wants... same with the "software failure"... gotta have that Guru Meditation back!

:pint:
Title: Deja Vous
Post by: newbee on July 16, 2002, 06:16:05 PM
Hmm

This reminds me of another posting ;-)

It's the whole deja Vous thing.

 Perhaps the agents are modifying the program to get me, wheres the nearest telephone........

http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43048

Regards
Darren
Title: Re: Deja Vous
Post by: z5 on July 16, 2002, 06:35:21 PM
nice, well written article. :-)  And nice looking screenshots :-P

Keep up the good work ;-)