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Operating System Specific Discussions => MorphOS => MorphOS -- Hardware requirements and availability discussion => Topic started by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 10:56:03 PM

Title: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 10:56:03 PM
MorphOS 3.2!

:D

With the recent public release of MorphOS 3.2, the available hardware and system options for MorphOS users suddenly became even larger!

More PowerBook G4's supported, all iBook G4's supported, and a very nice and versatile family of Power Macintosh G5's was for the first time introduced!

The HW support in MorphOS is well documented:
http://morphos-team.net/hardware

And an in-depth description of all the MorphOS developments (including new HW support and limitations thereof) can be spotted in the release-notes for all versions after MorphOS 2.0 (if you have got the time, read through it all, it's actually very interesting! :)):
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.0
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.1
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.2
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.3
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.4
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.5
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.6
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/2.7
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.0
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.1
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.2

But as a complement to these sources, I have now tried to compile a list of available (mostly through the second hand market) *systems* that MorphOS 3.2 supports!

:)

This is a first try, and it probably contains a lot of errors. But please post any corrections or additions freely in this thread! My thought is to provide a complete list of MorphOS 3.2 enabled HW that you can find on ebay or at other second hand trading sites.

The list is split in several separate posts according to their categories (and in somewhat chronological order).

Here we go:

:)
Title: Genesi Hardware
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
Genesi Hardware

(http://www.genesi-tech.com/data/get/28) (http://www.genesi-tech.com/data/get/29)

In the beginning of the MorphOS journey, Genesi and bPlan played an important role of the early MorphOS development in many fundamental ways. Providing resources was one, providing a new HW platform was another. Although Genesi and the MorphOS Team later moved in separate directions, a legacy remains in the shape of two official Genesi systems that MorphOS runs on, and a few mainboards (motherboards) besides that.

Of course, those mainboards were also used as a central component by *several* third party resellers when they put together their own various systems (of various configurations) for their customers that probably still is available from time to time on the second hand market. Those systems are not listed here though.

These mainboards that MorphOS runs on are:

As previously mentioned, many systems were put together by numerous third party dealers based on these motherboards.

But my "MorphOS Official System" list begins with these:

   
1. Open Desktop Workstation (ODW) (http://www.genesi-tech.com/products/opendesktop)
2. EFIKA Open Client (http://www.genesi-tech.com/products/openclient/5200b)


(BTW, The Efika mainboard, the case, and a bundle of board and case, can still be purchased new from Directron.com (http://search.directron.com/newsearch.php?find=efika&x=-250&y=-93))

(Edit: Completely forgot that the Pegasos 2 also had a G3 @ 600MHz option, corrected now! :))
Title: Mac Mini G4
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 10:59:31 PM
Mac Mini

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_mac_mini.jpg)

We are many who has fallen in love with the Mac Mini, a very small footprint, highly integrated, silent, yet very powerful G4 computer. All models works fine with MorphOS, but if you can, you should look for the 1.5GHz silent upgrade version that has 64MB Video Memory. You *can* use MorphOS with the 32MB coming with the other versions (depending on how you use the computer, you may want to turn off some visual "bells and whistles" that MorphOS offers), but with 64MB you will have your back covered in a better way. And this is not something specific to the Mac Mini, but to MorphOS in general — if you have the option to get 64MB or more of Video Memory, do it!

Here is a list of supported Mac Mini machines, with links to the great "everymac.com" site with loads of additional, detailed information on each and every one of these:

   
3. Mac Mini G4/1.25 (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_g4_1.25.html)
4. Mac Mini G4/1.42 (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_g4_1.42.html)
5. Mac Mini G4/1.33 (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_g4_1.33.html) (silent upgrade)
6. Mac Mini G4/1.5 (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_g4_1.5.html) (silent upgrade, with 64MB VRAM)


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Title: eMac
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:00:59 PM
eMac

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_emac.jpg)

The eMac line, originally released exclusively to the education market and later available to the consumer market as well, features an all-in-one case design and affordable performance. It's especially "affordable" today, when you most certainly will pick one up for $0 (or thereabout). It has a CRT built in, which may show some blurry signs of age by now. But hey, its extremely low cost in combination with MorphOS and a G4 performance that "traditional Amigan's" only dreamt of, may very well make this machine interesting.

Here is a list of the supported eMac machines (those not listed here aren't supported), with links to the great "everymac.com" site with loads of additional, detailed information on each and every one of these:

   
7. eMac G4/1.25 (USB 2.0) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/specs/emac_1.25.html)
8. eMac G4/1.42 (2005) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/specs/emac_1.42.html)


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Title: Power Macintosh G4
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:02:56 PM
Power Macintosh G4

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g4.jpg)

NVIDIA cards are not supported by MorphOS and would need to be replaced with a suitable Radeon card instead. Special Mac versions of Radeon cards can be used, or the firmware of PC cards can be re-flushed to work with Mac instead. A GFX card with 64MB or more VMEM is recommended.

Audio is currently only supported for PowerMac3,4 to 3,6 models.

DP = Dual Processors, but MorphOS only supports using one CPU, the other one will be sitting idle.

"Mac Server" is essentially the same HW as PowerMac but with server SW bundled. Doesn't matter if you are going to use it with MorphOS (right?).

Here is a list of supported Power Macintosh G4 machines, with links to the great "everymac.com" site with loads of additional, detailed information on each and every one of these:

   
9. Power Macintosh G4 350 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_350_agp.html), PowerMac3,1
10. Power Macintosh G4 400 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_400_agp.html), PowerMac3,1
11. Power Macintosh G4 450 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_450.html), PowerMac3,1
12. Power Macintosh G4 500 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_500.html), PowerMac3,1
13. Mac Server G4 350 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_350.html), PowerMac3,1
14. Mac Server G4 400 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_400.html), PowerMac3,1
15. Mac Server G4 450 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_450.html), PowerMac3,1
16. Mac Server G4 500 (AGP) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_500.html), PowerMac3,1
17. Power Macintosh G4 400 (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_400_2.html), PowerMac3,3
18. Power Macintosh G4 450 DP (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_450_dp.html), PowerMac3,3
19. Power Macintosh G4 500 DP (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_500_dp.html), PowerMac3,3
20. Mac Server G4 450 DP (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_450_dp.html), PowerMac3,3
21. Mac Server G4 500 DP (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_500_dp.html), PowerMac3,3
22. Power Macintosh G4 466 (Digital Audio) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_466.html), PowerMac3,4
23. Power Macintosh G4 533 (Digital Audio) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_533.html), PowerMac3,4, NVIDIA card
24. Power Macintosh G4 667 (Digital Audio) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_667.html), PowerMac3,4, NVIDIA card
25. Power Macintosh G4 733 (Digital Audio) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_733.html), PowerMac3,4, NVIDIA card
26. Mac Server G4 533 (Digital Audio) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_533.html), PowerMac3,4, NVIDIA card
27. Mac Server G4 533 DP (Digital Audio) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_533_dp.html), PowerMac3,4, NVIDIA card
28. Power Macintosh G4 733 (Quicksilver) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_733_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
29. Power Macintosh G4 800 DP (Quicksilver) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_800_dp_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
30. Power Macintosh G4 800 (QS 2002) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_800_qs.html), PowerMac3,5
31. Power Macintosh G4 867 (Quicksilver) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_867_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
32. Power Macintosh G4 933 (QS 2002) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_933_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
33. Power Macintosh G4 1.0 DP (QS 2002) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
34. Mac Server G4 733 (Quicksilver) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_733_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
35. Mac Server G4 800 DP (Quicksilver) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_800_dp_qs.html), PowerMac3,5, NVIDIA card
36. Mac Server G4 933 (QS 2002) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_933_qs.html), PowerMac3,5
37. Mac Server G4 1.0 DP (QS 2002) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html), PowerMac3,5
38. Power Macintosh G4 867 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6, NVIDIA card
39. Power Macintosh G4 1.0 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.0_dp_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6
40. Power Macintosh G4 1.25 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.25_dp_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6
41. Power Macintosh G4 1.0 (FW 800) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.0_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6, NVIDIA card
42. Power Macintosh G4 1.25 DP (FW 800) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.25_dp_mdd_fw800.html), PowerMac3,6
43. Power Macintosh G4 1.42 DP (FW 800) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.42_dp_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6
44. Power Macintosh G4 1.25 (MDD 2003) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.25_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6
45. Mac Server G4 1.0 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_1.0_dp_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6, NVIDIA card
46. Mac Server G4 1.25 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_1.25_dp_mdd.html), PowerMac3,6


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Title: PowerBook G4
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:04:30 PM
PowerBook

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powerbook_g4_15.jpg)

Amiga Goes Laptop! :)

MorphOS supports all G4 Aluminum PowerBooks equipped with a Radeon graphics card.

The MorphOS PowerBook support includes most of the things you would need/expect from an OS supporting Laptops. However, the builtin WiFi is not yet supported (the Ethernet port is supported though) so if wireless networking is essential to you, you would have to fall back on additional HW for this.

Here is a list of supported PowerBook G4 machines, with links to the great "everymac.com" site with loads of additional, detailed information on each and every one of these:


   
47. PowerBook G4 1.0 15" (FW800 - Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.0_15.html), PowerBook5,2 - A1046
48. PowerBook G4 1.25 15" (FW800 - Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.25_15.html), PowerBook5,2 - A1046
49. PowerBook G4 1.33 17" (Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.33_17.html), PowerBook5,3 - A1052
50. PowerBook G4 1.33 15" (Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.33_15.html), PowerBook5,4 - A1095
51. PowerBook G4 1.5 15" (Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.5_15.html), PowerBook5,4 - A1095
52. PowerBook G4 1.5 17" (Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.5_17.html), PowerBook5,5 - A1085
53. PowerBook G4 1.5 15" (SMS/BT2 - Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.5_15_2.html), PowerBook5,6 - A1106
54. PowerBook G4 1.67 15" (Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.67_15.html), PowerBook5,6 - A1106
55. PowerBook G4 1.67 17" (Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.67_17.html), PowerBook5,7 - A1107
56. PowerBook G4 1.67 15" (DLSD/HR - Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.67_15_hr.html), PowerBook5,8 - A1138
57. PowerBook G4 1.67 17" (DLSD/HR - Al) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.67_17_hr.html), PowerBook5,9 - A1139


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Title: iBook G4
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
iBook

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_ibook_g4.jpg)

MorphOS 3.2 introduced support for yet another Laptop computer, the Apple iBook. If you can, spend some extra effort in finding one of those "Mid-2005" models.

Here is a list of supported iBook machines (in short: all G4 iBooks), with links to the great "everymac.com" site with loads of additional, detailed information on each and every one of these:


   
58. iBook G4/800 12-Inch (Original - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_800_12.html)
59. iBook G4/933 14-Inch (Original - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_933_14.html)
60. iBook G4/1.0 14-Inch (Original - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.0_14.html)
61. iBook G4/1.0 12-Inch (Early 2004 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.0_12.html)
62. iBook G4/1.0 14-Inch (Early 2004 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.0_14_2.html)
63. iBook G4/1.2 14-Inch (Early 2004 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.2_14.html)
64. iBook G4/1.2 12-Inch (Late 2004 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.2_12.html)
65. iBook G4/1.33 14-Inch (Late 2004 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.33_14.html)
66. iBook G4/1.33 12-Inch (Mid-2005 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.33_12.html)
67. iBook G4/1.42 14-Inch (Mid-2005 - Op) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_g4_1.42_14.html)


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Title: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Power Macintosh G5

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g5.jpg)

NVIDIA cards are not supported by MorphOS and would need to be replaced with a suitable Radeon card instead. Special Mac versions of Radeon cards can be used, or the firmware of PC cards can be re-flushed to work with Mac instead.

MorphOS will currently use a maximum of 1GB of memory on these G5 machines, even if more is installed in the machine.

DP = Dual Processors (MorphOS only supports using one CPU though)


Here is a list of supported Power Macintosh G5 machines, oldest models first, then ascending in performance:
   
68. Power Macintosh G5 1.8 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html), PowerMac7,3, NVIDIA card
69. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI-X 2) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_2.html), PowerMac7,3, NVIDIA card
70. Power Macintosh G5 2.5 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
71. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.html), PowerMac7,3
72. Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
73. Power Macintosh G5 2.7 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html), PowerMac7,3


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Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: Dr.Bongo on May 28, 2013, 11:13:28 PM
So excluding discontinued products, it's two semi-interesting bits of hardware and a load of apple garbage. Sorry to flame but, I'm am a little bored of people poking apple in my face. Don't own, will NEVER own.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:23:15 PM
@Dr.Bongo

No problem, everyone's views are different!

:)
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: Dr.Bongo on May 28, 2013, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;736227
@Dr.Bongo

No problem, everyone's views are different!

:)


That was such a nice response, I now feel guilty (sinks back into his apple-hating hole, away from sunlight and people)
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 28, 2013, 11:34:11 PM
@Dr.Bongo

Hehe, you are not alone, I promise! :)

However, MorphOS effectively turns Apple HW into MorphOS HW, which most people can settle with...

;)
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: eliyahu on May 28, 2013, 11:55:28 PM
@takemehomegrandma

this is a terrific list! i've gone ahead and made this thread 'sticky' in the MOS HW forum for folks to find more easily. thanks for putting all of this information together so nicely!

-- eliyahu
Title: re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 29, 2013, 12:06:51 AM
@eliyahu

Thank you for those kind words! :)

As I said, this was a "first try" that probably contains errors, but I will try to update the list whenever suggestions/corrections are posted in this thread.

:)
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: B00tDisk on May 29, 2013, 01:14:45 AM
Quote from: Dr.Bongo;736225
Sorry to flame


No you aren't.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Steady on May 29, 2013, 02:05:19 AM
@TakeMeHomeGrandma

What a great list. So many options to choose from. Might be time to give MorphOS a try.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Heiroglyph on May 29, 2013, 02:31:18 AM
You can look at it as sticking it to the man by buying used though.  Apple won't get a cent.

Very nice list.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: toRus on May 29, 2013, 02:52:11 AM
Quote from: Heiroglyph;736252
You can look at it as sticking it to the man by buying used though.  Apple won't get a cent.

Very nice list.


Off topic:

I'd rather pay Apple than spend my money on lame windows systems with badly-written BIOSes (which by chance can also run Linux) and windows-only included software, let alone paying the microsoft tax by buying a PC laptop.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: LoadWB on May 29, 2013, 03:02:10 AM
Quote from: Dr.Bongo;736225
Sorry to flame but

No, you're not.

@B00tdisk: hive-mind.  But in all seriousness, we're fully aware there are people out there who hate Apple to company and/or Apple hardware.  Doesn't need to be said all the time, or really at all as, on the whole, it adds nothing useful to discourse.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: TheMagicM on May 29, 2013, 03:12:46 AM
Great list!  I'm picking up a G5 2.7 this Friday :-)


EDIT: on the subject of Apple...I dislike Apple, but I'm pro-MorphOS.  If it requires Apple hardware to run the OS I like, then so be it.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Heiroglyph on May 29, 2013, 03:13:36 AM
I'm not in either "camp", if anything I'm stuck on 68k forever, but you've got to give credit to the MorphOS guys for having great presentation.

They even make the forum posts look nicer than usual.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: LoadWB on May 29, 2013, 03:54:43 AM
Quote from: TheMagicM;736259
EDIT: on the subject of Apple...I dislike Apple, but I'm pro-MorphOS.  If it requires Apple hardware to run the OS I like, then so be it.


I'm actually looking forward to putting MorphOS on this aluminum PowerBook that got dumped on me.  I played with Mac OSX on it just to see how it works and to support a few customers who are Mac-only.  That lasted a day.  Now when my colleagues say how I told them I don't like Apple and won't own an Apple device I can say it's an Amiga laptop.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Kesa on May 29, 2013, 04:04:32 AM
What happened the SAM460 that was being ported onto?
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: magnetic on May 29, 2013, 04:52:17 AM
Quote from: Dr.Bongo;736225
So excluding discontinued products, it's two semi-interesting bits of hardware and a load of apple garbage. Sorry to flame but, I'm am a little bored of people poking apple in my face. Don't own, will NEVER own.


Apple hardware is some of the best available consumer computer hardware in the world. What they hell are you talking about?
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: Colani1200 on May 29, 2013, 07:10:00 AM
Quote from: magnetic;736267
Apple hardware is some of the best available consumer computer hardware in the world. What they hell are you talking about?



*Cough*... Well, at least that's what the marketing says, so it must be true, eh?


@takemehomegrandma: Great list, thank you very much! Too bad my G5 is a Powermac 7.2, I hope it will be supported in the future...
Title: Power Macintosh G4 Cube
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 29, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
OK, two more! :)

Power Macintosh G4 Cube

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g4_cube.gif)

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube): "The Power Mac G4 Cube was a small form factor Macintosh personal computer from Apple Inc. It was sold from 2000 to 2001. Its cube shape is reminiscent of the NeXTcube from NeXT, acquired by Apple in 1996. The machine was designed by Apple industrial designer Sir Jonathan Ive. The New York Museum of Modern Art holds a G4 Cube, along with its distinctive Harman Kardon transparent speakers, as part of its collection."

MorphOS runs on "the Cube", but it's not officially listed as supported (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=6835&start=23) by the MorphOS Team due to some HW features not being supported. Network can be made working with some tweaks, but the USB audio presents a problem (link (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=6835&start=27)).

Here is a list of the Cube machines, with links to the great "everymac.com" site with loads of additional, detailed information:

   
74. Power Macintosh G4 450 Cube (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_450_cube.html), PowerMac5,1
75. Power Macintosh G4 500 Cube (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_500_cube.html), PowerMac5,1


.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Boot_WB on May 29, 2013, 10:39:49 AM
@tmhg

Just to note also:

MorphOS also supports the onboard (NEC) USB on the Powermac MDDs operating in high-speed usb 2.0 mode.
Apple has never got around to supported that (afaik), and OSX only operates the onboard NEC USB at USB 1.1 speeds.

:-)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Templario on May 29, 2013, 10:45:03 AM
And the next the Sams from Acube?
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: zylesea on May 29, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: LoadWB;736256
No, you're not.

@B00tdisk: hive-mind.  But in all seriousness, we're fully aware there are people out there who hate Apple to company and/or Apple hardware.  Doesn't need to be said all the time, or really at all as, on the whole, it adds nothing useful to discourse.

I don't like Apple (the company) too much, too. But I think that makes it even more great that MorphOS runs on Apple hardware. Isn't there a better way to p*ss on Apple's leg than to wipe out OS X and install a "real OS" on that hardware? Plus, Apple doen't see a cent from purchasing used hardware.

For all you Apple haters: Free Apple hardware, install MorphOS!
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: zylesea on May 29, 2013, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: Kesa;736266
What happened the SAM460 that was being ported onto?


Not ready yet. Will come later.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: amigadave on June 04, 2013, 11:31:12 PM
Counting the different Pegasos 1 & 2 computers that had different CPU cards installed, and the Efika 5200b which was not given it's own number in that list, it puts the number of possible computers that can run MorphOS3.2 up to 77 different combinations of computers and CPU's.

Very impressive!

Congratulations MorphOS Dev. Team.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: SACC-guy on June 05, 2013, 12:15:28 AM
Yes, it's great....but what are the prices??
(for those of us not in the know)
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: TheMagicM on June 05, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: SACC-guy;736829
Yes, it's great....but what are the prices??
(for those of us not in the know)


for my dual processor G5 2.0ghz, I paid $150 on craigslist.  perfect condition.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: zylesea on June 05, 2013, 12:25:44 AM
Quote from: SACC-guy;736829
Yes, it's great....but what are the prices??
(for those of us not in the know)


prices of what exactly?

Suitable hardware ranges from free or close to free (eMacs, lucky findings) over the about 50-100 EUR/$ range (mostly Powermacs) to 99 $ for an Efika or about 100-250 EUR/$ for potent Powerbooks or G5 sytems. Pegasos 2 systems are usually a bit higher priced, since OS4 users are highly interested in these machines. Take an hour and browse ebay to get an idea.

MorphOS demo is for free, a registration key is 49 EUR for Efika, 79 EUR for Pegasos, Mac mini, eMac or PowerMac G4 and 111.11 EUR for PowerMac g5, ibook or Powerbook.

All in all you can easily get a nice system and registration key for 150-200 EUR - for a Powerbook or G5 a little more is required.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: adrian82 on June 05, 2013, 12:42:07 AM
Are there any experience reports with AmigaOS software compatibility? Which applications run, which don't?

Does it run any AmigaOS PPC software, like Shogo or Quake, for example? Does it run AmigaOS 4 applications? The ABI compatibility with AmigaOS is *the* selling point of MorphOS, for anything else I can use Linux. Or asking differently, is MorphOS actually really worth the money?

I have an old Apple Mac G4 with 1.42 GHz and 1GB, so I actually have compatible hardware.

Cheers,

Adrian
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: mingle on June 05, 2013, 01:15:53 AM
That's a handy list - I was always confused as to which systems were actually supported.

One correction and one suggestion:

Correction: I think you mean "reflash" the BIOS of the GFX cards, rather than "reflush" :-)

Suggestion: How about making a MorphOS logo sticker that will cover the apple logo, so that more sensitive users can block out the old and highlight the new?

Cheers,

Mike.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: TheMagicM on June 05, 2013, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: adrian82;736833

I have an old Apple Mac G4 with 1.42 GHz and 1GB, so I actually have compatible hardware.

Cheers,

Adrian


Then download and install it.  See for yourself :-)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: zylesea on June 05, 2013, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: adrian82;736833
Are there any experience reports with AmigaOS software compatibility? Which applications run, which don't?

Does it run any AmigaOS PPC software, like Shogo or Quake, for example? Does it run AmigaOS 4 applications? The ABI compatibility with AmigaOS is *the* selling point of MorphOS, for anything else I can use Linux. Or asking differently, is MorphOS actually really worth the money?

I have an old Apple Mac G4 with 1.42 GHz and 1GB, so I actually have compatible hardware.

Cheers,

Adrian


Best thing is: the demo is completely free - you can try it out yourself. You can install the demo or just use teh live CD.

As general rule of thumb: Most 68k applications running on RTG/RTA systems are running on MorphOS, but also some even older software, too. Hardware banging stuff refuses to work though, but there's UAE for MorphOS available to fill that gap, too.
PowerUp and WarpOS programs run of course as well. For Warp3D programs there is a wrapper available for R1xx and R2xx and Voodoo gfx card, but not for R3xx gfx cards (but MorphOS programs can use the powerful R300 3D functions of corse).
OS4 software (well, there are only few interesting titles not available on MorphOS natively anyway) ususlla don't run. There is a progam called OS4Emu - which is an OS wrapper for MorphSO. But it is an abandoned product and has practicaly little use anymore.
Much already known from Amiga software is available as native version (YAM, AmiIRC, Hollywood), too. And of course there's much other MorphOS software.

And to answer your question: It depends what you are expecting from the product whether it is worth the money, but there are pretty satisfied users, me among them who don't regret to have spend teh money. And Iam not only satisfied because teh binary compability to AmigaOS, but because of the entire OS - a compeltely different feeling than *nix, Win or OS X. An OS in true C= Amiga tradition.

To give you a starter about MorphOS from the Amiga POV you may read: http://via.i-networx.de/wim.htm
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: WeiXing3D on June 12, 2013, 04:19:04 AM
So would this model and configuration work with MOS 3.2?

Product Information
This Apple iBook G4 laptop (July,2005) has been customized. Without any modifications the Apple iBook G4 laptop (July,2005) features 1.33 GHz PowerPC G4 processor that is responsible for its fast performance. You can save all your data on this customized laptop, which boasts a hard drive capacity of s40 GB, 60 GB, 80 GB or 100 GB. With a resolution of 1024x768 pixels, this iBook gives you a high-quality visual output. Featuring built-in Ethernet and Wi-Fi capability, this 12.1-inch customized laptop offers the communications efficiency that makes staying in touch quick and easy. An ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 graphics processor in this iBook guarantees a thrilling gaming experience. What’s more, thanks to its 512 MB RAM, the Apple iBook G4 laptop (July, 2005) comes handy while multitasking and storing data.

Product Identifiers
Manufacturer   Apple
Product Family   iBook
Model ID   PowerBook6,7
Model Number   A1133
MPN   AppleiBook G412.1July2005

Display
Display Size   12.1"

Miscellaneous
Release Date   July, 2005
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: LoadWB on June 12, 2013, 04:24:49 AM
Quote from: WeiXing3D;737606
So would this model and configuration work with MOS 3.2?

(snip)

Product Identifiers
Manufacturer   Apple
Product Family   iBook
Model ID   PowerBook6,7
Model Number   A1133
MPN   AppleiBook G412.1July2005

Display
Display Size   12.1"

Miscellaneous
Release Date   July, 2005


According to the docs of one of the links in the original posts, the PowerBook6,7 is compatible.  Download the ISO and give it a try.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: stefcep2 on June 12, 2013, 05:25:23 AM
Is there a similar list of native MOS software?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 12, 2013, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: mingle;736837
Correction: I think you mean "reflash" the BIOS of the GFX cards, rather than "reflush" :-)

Yes, that's correct, hehe! :)

Speaking of this, reflashing PC cards may not be a good idea after all, many users with flashed cards have reported problems when running later versions of MorphOS. Here is a comment from a MorphOS developer on the issue:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8583&forum=11&start=12

I have tried to edit the posts mentioning the flashing above, but it seems impossible to edit them? Don't know if it's a bug or some kind of strange lock, but I'm mentioning it here instead!


Quote
Suggestion: How about making a MorphOS logo sticker that will cover the apple logo, so that more sensitive users can block out the old and highlight the new?

You mean like this?
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a557/SoundSquare/2013-06-01163833_zpsd1ce38ba.jpg

I don't know if these are available anymore. I honestly don't think this has been a great demand among MorphOS users, perhaps many abandoned the idea that trade marks are important by going MorphOS in the first place? :p ;)

There is some discussion here:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8201&forum=3

There you will also find examples of boing-balls (http://jpv.wmhost.com/pics/viihdekeskus.jpg), commodore (http://www.ebay.com/itm/110869256203), and other custom solutions (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Butterfly-Skin-Cover-Sticker-Protector-For-7-8-9-10-2-Laptop-Netbook-/200932297893?) that you can make from existing vinyl products...

;)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 12, 2013, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: adrian82;736833
Are there any experience reports with AmigaOS software compatibility?


MorphOS is the most Amiga compatible NG option, it's as simple as that.

Quote
Which applications run, which don't?


Generally speaking, most system friendly applications (68k and PPC) still worth running.

I wrote something about this a long time ago here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=687281&postcount=148). In short, some will require some tweaking during install/setting up process (search morphzone.org and amiga.org for hints from other users who installed them), and some will have minor aesthetic glitches, but most work.

Quote
Does it run AmigaOS 4 applications?


No. While MorphOS will run most system friendly Amiga OS applications just fine, OS4 is too different. However, most (all?) OS4 applications worth running (IMHO) also comes in a MorphOS native flavor.

:)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 12, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: stefcep2;737608
Is there a similar list of native MOS software?


"Amiga" or "MorphOS Native", 68k or PPC, that's not really important as long as they work, right? After all, everything is running side by side, in the same memory space, by the same scheduler, sharing the same drivers, devices and other OS/HW resources. :)

But OK, some lists of SW:

Luky's database of MorphOS compatible software:

http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/ (categories with search field)
http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/vypis.php (expanded list)


MorphOS-Files:

http://morphos-files.net/index2.php


Aminet:

http://aminet.net/

:)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on June 12, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
http://www.geit.de/eng_grunch.html

No MorphOS install should be without it. :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ChaosLord on June 12, 2013, 03:26:00 PM
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.

I am only interested in one with at least 128MB chipram. (gfx card ram)

I am sure others feel the same way as me.

Furthermore I am only interested in the models that support gfx of at least 1280x1024 resolution with 32bits per pixel.

I know absolutely nothing about mac hardware.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Fab on June 12, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
@ChaosLord

Well, in PowerMac G4 and PowerMac G5 you can choose your radeon with 128MB.
Powerbook 5,8 (and 5,9?) also comes with a radeon 9700 / 128MB.

But anyway, MorphOS deals relatively efficiently with video ram, so even with 32MB, you can have a big 32bit hd resolution without slowdown and open as many screens/windows as you like. You just have to disable enhanced display (composition system) in this case. Of course, 3d apps requiring big amounts of video ram are another matter (but i can only think of blender, ufo ai and torcs/speed dreams here).
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: TheMagicM on June 12, 2013, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737641
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.

I am only interested in one with at least 128MB chipram. (gfx card ram)

I am sure others feel the same way as me.

Furthermore I am only interested in the models that support gfx of at least 1280x1024 resolution with 32bits per pixel.

I know absolutely nothing about mac hardware.


Dont know what thats all about...

But my graphics card in my G5 has 128MB RAM and I currently run 1280x1024.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on June 12, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737641
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.


http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/index-apple-specs-applespec.html

You can always upgrade the graphics card in a PowerMac G4/G5 if you want a better one.

http://ebay.com/search?cad=1&so=12&isNewKw=true&cmd=SREF&call=1&acimp=0&kw=radeon+mac&mfs=SBCLK
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: F1Lupo on June 12, 2013, 07:32:26 PM
great thread Grandma !

passed this thread over to a bunch of Mac head friends and 2 already emailed me back saying they'll definitely try out MOS on their older Macs so hopefully we'll have a few more Amiga users soon:D
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: TheMagicM on June 12, 2013, 07:34:12 PM
For general MorphOS chit chat..come hang out on irc.freenode.net #morphos :-)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 12, 2013, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737641
I wish you would list how much chipram each of the Macs in your list comes with.


That would have been nice to have in the list, yes. Unfortunately there seems to be no way to edit the posts now. :( But you can always click the links to get very detailed information of each and every machine, including GFX cards. Later models generally have better specs.

:)

Quote
I am only interested in one with at least 128MB chipram. (gfx card ram)

I am sure others feel the same way as me.


64MB is really sufficient for most (no kidding), and even 32MB works fine without any noticeable sacrifices.

Just so you know!

:)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ChaosLord on June 12, 2013, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;737684
That would have been nice to have in the list, yes. Unfortunately there seems to be no way to edit the posts now. :( But you can always click the links to get very detailed information of each and every machine, including GFX cards. Later models generally have better specs.

:)



64MB is really sufficient for most (no kidding), and even 32MB works fine without any noticeable sacrifices.

Just so you know!

:)


If I code a game for MOS I need 128MB chipram at a bare cramped minimum for a 1280x1024x32bpp game.

If I am limited to 32MB chipram then the framerate would drop a lot and the coding of the game would be really annoying and just not worth it to me.

It kind of sounds like what a lot of ppl are telling me is:
1. A lot of MOS users cannot even display 1280x1024 gfx because some users have those old imacs with the built-in lores monitor that can NEVER be upgraded.

2. A lot of the MOS users who can display 1280x1024 (or higher) screens have only small amounts of chipram like 32MB or 64MB because nobody ever bothered to make some awesome games that use more than that.

So it sounds like if I made a MOS game I would be limited to like 5 MOS users in the whole world that could play it.  Would that be accurate?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: kickstart on June 12, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
@chaoslord

Define "awesome game"...
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on June 12, 2013, 10:19:59 PM
FWIW my PowerBook 5,8 has 128MB video RAM and a 1440x900 display.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 12, 2013, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737692
A lot of MOS users cannot even display 1280x1024


What!?

:huh:

Quote
So it sounds like if I made a MOS game I would be limited to like 5 MOS users in the whole world that could play it.  Would that be accurate?


No.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: TheMagicM on June 12, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
Quote from: kickstart;737693
@chaoslord

define "awesome game"...


qft.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ChaosLord on June 12, 2013, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: kickstart;737693
@chaoslord

Define "awesome game"...


The kind that needs 128MB+ of Chipram :D


What is the most chipram I can get in a MOS machine?

The Radeon cards I looked at for oldsk00l Classic Amigas have 256MB of RAM on them but they are split into 2 banks of 128MB.  Due to the way P96 and CGX are coded, they can only use one bank of ram so they are stuck with only 128MB of RTG RAM which cramps me.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: LoadWB on June 12, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: kickstart;737693
@chaoslord

Define "awesome game"...


Dark Castle?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ChaosLord on June 12, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;737696
What!?

:huh:



No.


A couple of years ago I looked at some MOS Macs and they were permanently limited to 1024x768.  I was warned not to get one of those.  Now that I have your reassurance, I feel very glad that they did not become popular in the MOS community. :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: TheMagicM on June 12, 2013, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737705
A couple of years ago I looked at some MOS Macs and they were permanently limited to 1024x768.  I was warned not to get one of those.  Now that I have your reassurance, I feel very glad that they did not become popular in the MOS community. :)

I started out with an EFIKA, then to the Peg 1, Mac Mini, then a PowerMac G4 MDD (which I'm giving away with MorphOS 3.2 and other goodies next week) and now a badddddaaarrrsseeeee 2.0DP G5 running 3.2 reg'd.  Never was limited to any such small resolution that I recall.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: kickstart on June 13, 2013, 01:05:20 AM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737703
The kind that needs 128MB+ of Chipram :D

A game using 1gb and 1gb of chipram can be a totally ****... you dont need that amount of ram or ghz's to make good games, at least thinking on the amiga side.

ps: the word "sh1t" is censored? what a crap
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: TheMagicM on June 13, 2013, 01:21:32 AM
Quote from: kickstart;737713
A game using 1gb and 1gb of chipram can be a totally ****... you dont need that amount of ram or ghz's to make good games, at least thinking on the amiga side.

ps: the word "sh1t" is censored? what a crap


Yes.  We are a highly educated group who need not such words in our vocabulary. ;-)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: jj on June 13, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
Awesome list.  I really do have to get around to diggiing out my mini and updating.  Life just gets in the way still on 2.7 .  Need to check out how far the Java VM has come
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: zylesea on June 13, 2013, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737705
A couple of years ago I looked at some MOS Macs and they were permanently limited to 1024x768.  I was warned not to get one of those.  Now that I have your reassurance, I feel very glad that they did not become popular in the MOS community. :)


Maybe you worded it a bit misunderstandable. Desktop resolutions of far above 1024x768 are possible with _every_ MorphOS computer (even my old MorphOS 0.4 A1200/BVision 8MB ran 1280x1024). But if you mean that more or less demanding 3D games run fluently only in 1024X768 that may be true for lower end systems. However, I can not back it up for certain, but the usual MorphOS setup is probably a G4 in the range between 1 -1.5 Ghz with 1 GB RAM and a 64 or 128MB r200 gfx card. There are a few better ones and a few worse ones (G3 Pegasos, Efika), but they are a minoriy. Make a game acceptable on 1GHz G4/R200 w/ 64 MB VRAM and nice on 1.5 GHz G47r300 w/ 128 MB VRAM and most MorphOS users will be pretty satisfied.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: zylesea on June 13, 2013, 03:31:04 PM
Quote from: JJ;737732
 Need to check out how far the Java VM has come


It's exaclty at the point it was at 2.7 - there's no Java VM. And to my knowledge there's non in development. And who needs a JVM still today?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ChaosLord on June 13, 2013, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: zylesea;737734
Maybe you worded it a bit misunderstandable. Desktop resolutions of far above 1024x768 are possible with _every_ MorphOS computer (even my old MorphOS 0.4 A1200/BVision 8MB ran 1280x1024).


The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor.  The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max.  So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768.  Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768.  This is what I was told.

Not MorphOS's fault.  :uzi:Apple's fault.



I am very glad that most MorphOS machines can display 1280x1024 or higher. :banana:
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on June 13, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737739
The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor.  The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max.  So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768.  Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768.  This is what I was told.


Yeah it's eMac: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/emac/specs/emac_1.25.html

Max resolution is 1280 by 960 pixels at 72 Hz...

Quote
I am very glad that most MorphOS machines can display 1280x1024 or higher. :banana:


It's very unpopular among the MorphOS users, who would want crt nowadays :) Only good thing with it is its price.. I guess nobody has paid anything of those ;)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: zylesea on June 13, 2013, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737739
The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor.  The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max.  So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768.  Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768.  This is what I was told.

Not MorphOS's fault.  :uzi:Apple's fault.



I am very glad that most MorphOS machines can display 1280x1024 or higher. :banana:


The eMacs are really special and I guess they are even lesser popular than Efika among MorphOS users. I doubt there are many more than a handful (sic!) eMacs equipped with a MorphOS license.
Most popular among MorphOS users is probably the PowerMac G4, followed by PegasosII and then Mac mini or Powerbook. G5s are not wide spread (yet) as aren't iBooks (yet).  eMacs, Efikas and Pegasos1 with key are rather rare (at least as primary MorphOS system). Of course this is only my guess and based on impression and not on actual/reliable data.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: jdryyz on June 14, 2013, 04:39:20 AM
Sigh. Looks like the dirt-cheap 2.3GHz Dual Core G5 I just acquired is not supported. Oh well. Maybe it will be in the future. So many systems are now supported that weren't before. There's hope.




Quote from: takemehomegrandma;736224
Power Macintosh G5

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g5.jpg)

NVIDIA cards are not supported by MorphOS and would need to be replaced with a suitable Radeon card instead. Special Mac versions of Radeon cards can be used, or the firmware of PC cards can be re-flushed to work with Mac instead.

MorphOS will currently use a maximum of 1GB of memory on these G5 machines, even if more is installed in the machine.

DP = Dual Processors (MorphOS only supports using one CPU though)


Here is a list of supported Power Macintosh G5 machines, oldest models first, then ascending in performance:
   
68. Power Macintosh G5 1.8 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html), PowerMac7,3, NVIDIA card
69. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI-X 2) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_2.html), PowerMac7,3, NVIDIA card
70. Power Macintosh G5 2.5 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
71. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.html), PowerMac7,3
72. Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html), PowerMac7,3
73. Power Macintosh G5 2.7 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html), PowerMac7,3


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Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 14, 2013, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: ChaosLord;737739
The machine I was thinking of was a Mac where the whole computer was built into the monitor.  The monitor only accepted 1024x768 max.  So the computer hardware was limited to 1024x768.  Therefore MOS was limited to 1024x768.  This is what I was told.


The monitor in the eMac was a 17" CRT one, and IIRC (it was a long time ago I used a 17" CRT), 1024 x 768 was actually preferred/recommended resolution on those. They weren't particularly big after all, and higher resolutions could make text too small and difficult to see, so most people didn't use resolutions like 1280 x 1024 on 17" monitors even if the monitor could actually support it, which not all did (19" and 21" was of course a different matter).

However, when it comes to the monitor used in the eMacs (and I quote from everymac.com):

   "The 17.0" flat CRT display has a 16.0" viewable area, a 0.25mm dot pitch, and supports "640 by 480 pixels at 120 Hz, 800 by 600 pixels at 120 Hz, 1024 by 768 pixels at 89 Hz, 1152 by 870 pixels at 80 Hz, [and] 1280 by 960 pixels at 72 Hz" resolutions."
So while the eMac *obviously can* display resolutions higher than 1024 x 768, I'm quite sure that few people would actually want this on that 17" monitor, and this has nothing to do with 32MB/64MB/128MB VRAM, but simply the size of the screen! (If you search online you can find some articles/guides from people who modded it by removing the CRT and put the eMac motherboard in a normal tower, using an external monitor with much higher resolutions, so that's possible even though it would of course be much easier to simply get another Mac instead!)

The GFX card of the eMac G4/1.25 (USB 2.0) was a 9200 with 32MB.
The GFX card of the eMac G4/1.42 (2005) was a 9600 with 64MB.

Neither of these GPU/VMEM combos are per se limited to 1024 x 768 on MorphOS, read Fab's post again (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=737644&postcount=47): "MorphOS deals relatively efficiently with video ram, so even with 32MB, you can have a big 32bit hd resolution without slowdown and open as many screens/windows as you like." Practically all games work on 32MB, even 3D ones. And I'm sure a new and truly "awesome" game would deal with different HW setups in an intelligent way, right? ;)

Anyway, the eMac is probably very rare among MorphOS users, despite it's virtually none-existing price to purchase, and my guess is the limitations of the monitor is the explanation to this.

However, here are some experiences from Clusteruk (of AROS fame) in the shape of two Youtube videos featuring a presentation/statement of his opinions (on a mere 1.25GHz G4 with 32MB VRAM in 1024 x 768 resolution): :)

   Clusteruk's MorphOS 2.5/eMac experience, Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TomrykR0AIc):

[youtube]TomrykR0AIc[/youtube]


Clusteruk's MorphOS 2.5/eMac experience, Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBl_yfGHm34):

[youtube]lBl_yfGHm34[/youtube]

Please note that this was 3 years ago, and on MorphOS 2.5!

A lot of things has happened with MorphOS since then, what he thought was great then has gotten far better, and so many better machines (of different flavors) has become available, as I have tried to picture in this thread!

:D
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on June 14, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
Quote
Sigh. Looks like the dirt-cheap 2.3GHz Dual Core G5 I justacquiredis notsupported.Oh well. Maybe it will be in the future. So many systems are now supportedthatweren'tbefore. There's hope.


You can replace the Nvidia card with a Radeon, just search for Radeon Mac on eBay.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 14, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: nicholas;737844
You can replace the Nvidia card with a Radeon, just search for Radeon Mac on eBay.

The Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html) (the PowerMac7,3 2.3GHz machine) came with a Radeon 9600, so I think it's something else than PowerMac7,3 and if so, a new GFX card wouldn't help... :(

It's probably a Power Macintosh G5 Dual Core (2.3) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_dual_2.3.html) (PowerMac11,2 with 970MP CPU).
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: jdryyz on June 14, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
Yes, that is the one and it does come with an Nvidia card.

I was curious if it was just the video card that makes it incompatible but it might be something else.


Quote from: takemehomegrandma;737846
The Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html) (the PowerMac7,3 2.3GHz machine) came with a Radeon 9600, so I think it's something else than PowerMac7,3 and if so, a new GFX card wouldn't help... :(

It's probably a Power Macintosh G5 Dual Core (2.3) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_dual_2.3.html) (PowerMac11,2 with 970MP CPU).
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 15, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: jdryyz;737851
Yes, that is the one and it does come with an Nvidia card.

I was curious if it was just the video card that makes it incompatible but it might be something else.


It's a different motherboard (with PCIe GFX cards instead of AGP) with a different chipset and a different CPU. A different computer altogether. I hope this will be supported in the future, provided the MorphOS support for the PPC line will be extended further, because it's IMHO the most interesting G5 computers!

:)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: AppleIIGuy on June 22, 2013, 11:34:39 AM
So I was looking at the supported HW list and morphos doesnt support usb based wifi dongles? searching the google did not come up with anything for WiFi other than Ethernet to wifi bridges.
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: Boot_WB on September 10, 2013, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Dr.Bongo;736229
sinks back into his apple-hating hole, away from sunlight and people

Yup, that sounds like Cleethorpes. ;-)

EDIT: Sorry for the thread necromancy, was just re-reading the thread and just couldn't resist the bait.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 10, 2013, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: AppleIIGuy;738523
So I was looking at the supported HW list and morphos doesnt support usb based wifi dongles? searching the google did not come up with anything for WiFi other than Ethernet to wifi bridges.


Atheros 5xxx based PCCards are the only devices supported. I use a Netgear WG511T and it works great with WPA2.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
I tried installing Morphos on my iBook G4, and it didn't work. So "all iBook G4s" work is a lie.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: itix on September 11, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747589
I tried installing Morphos on my iBook G4, and it didn't work. So "all iBook G4s" work is a lie.


Yep, you probably have to wait for MorphOS 3.3.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 02:35:52 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747589
I tried installing Morphos on my iBook G4, and it didn't work. So "all iBook G4s" work is a lie.


I think calling it a lie is a bit harsh, more like an honest mistake.  The team were not aware that some models had problems installing 3.2 until after it was released to the public.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 04:50:47 PM
Well the least they could do, seeing that they fixed it, is release an updated iso, instead of making me wait until 3.3.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on September 11, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Kesa;736266
What happened the SAM460 that was being ported onto?


That has stalled, but I'm sure they will get back to it.
As all the developers have full time jobs, their time is limited.

BTW, right now is a great time to buy an iBook.
Several 1.42 Ghz models are available right now on eBay.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date.  If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants.  There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.  None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications.  Simply ridiculous.....
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 05:59:18 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747608
Well the least they could do, seeing that they fixed it, is release an updated iso, instead of making me wait until 3.3.

Have you paid for it? If not then they are not obliged to do anything for you.  Patience is a virtue not many are blessed with.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: motrucker on September 11, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
I never thought I would use an Apple in any way, shape, or form. Looks like I was wrong since the Mac G4 I was given is on this list. This may prove quite interesting......
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: yssing on September 11, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747613
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date.
While that might be true, it is currently the only option, I think, if you want to run MOS, AOS4.x is an other matter.

Quote from: ferrellsl;747613
There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.  None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news!

That is really so wrong, if you think this to honestly be true, then your information is outdated.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on September 11, 2013, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: AppleIIGuy;738523
So I was looking at the supported HW list and morphos doesnt support usb based wifi dongles? searching the google did not come up with anything for WiFi other than Ethernet to wifi bridges.


The Netgear WNCE2001 adapter works fine as it doesn't require drivers.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747613
There's simply no reason for me to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.


FTFY.

Quote
None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news!


That's not true at all, Odyssey beats Firefox 22 on html5test.com. It's faster too.

Quote
You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications.  Simply ridiculous.....


What's your hobby?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: yssing;747621
While that might be true, it is currently the only option, I think, if you want to run MOS, AOS4.x is an other matter.


That is really so wrong, if you think this to honestly be true, then your information is outdated.


No, it isn't outdated.  I bought a PegII and a license for MOS back in 2008 and played with it for about 4 months and then bought OS4 for it as well.  I waited, and waited, and waited for a decent web browser or some useful productivity software to emerge but here we are 5 years later and it's the same story.  Sure, there have been some slight advances in OWB and bug riddled Timberwolf, but still nothing that anyone can use on a daily basis without lots of frustration.  I finally boxed up the entire lot and let it sit in my garage for a couple years and then finally sold it.  As for OS4 systems such as the X1000, it's the same story......"new" old hardware at an outrageous price.  An X1000 performs on the same level as systems from 2005-2007, so claiming that the situation is better for OS4 users in regard to new hardware is laughable.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on September 11, 2013, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747613
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date.  If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants.  There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.  None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications.  Simply ridiculous.....

Not that I want to get into an argument with you (again), as it would be pointless to exchange messages with someone so poorly informed.
But I have a perfectly good web browser and a word processor running on both my MorphOS systems (as well as several games).
This satisfies 90% of my computing needs.
So I'm not waiting.

"Those systems are 8+ years out of date."
No kidding?
You do realize you're on a web site that focuses on systems over 25 years old, don't you?

And to all those who intensely dislike Apple, I've always harbored malice toward Steve Jobs.
The guy's work was always severely overrated.
But then,  I don't use Apple hardware to solely run OSX.

And OSX is certainly no worse than Windows.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on September 11, 2013, 07:07:29 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747613
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date.  If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants.  There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.  None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications.  Simply ridiculous.....


Maybe you should try to use MorphOS some time? At least before talking like that. Browser and other programs are closer to mainstream than ever before. I can do all the things I need with MorphOS today, I'm not waiting for anything, I enjoy.

With classic system / emulation you can't get as modern software as on MorphOS while having Amiga compatibility. And you can get MorphOS machine cheaper than classic system.

Computer HW got "fast enough" 8+ years ago. Heck, they still sell slower systems than my MorphOS machines even today (cheapest laptops, netbooks, RasPIs and other that kind of devices). My PC is older than my MorphOS machines and it's still fine for me too. My PS3 is almost as old as my MorphOS machines and it's still fine for me, and for many others too. Get real.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on September 11, 2013, 07:12:55 PM
Quote from: pVC;747628
...Get real.


Thank you very much. :hammer:
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on September 11, 2013, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: motrucker;747620
I never thought I would use an Apple in any way, shape, or form. Looks like I was wrong since the Mac G4 I was given is on this list. This may prove quite interesting......


Neat!  This wouldn't be something you might be interested in bringing to our meetup group next week, would it?  :D
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: pVC;747628
Maybe you should try to use MorphOS some time? At least before talking like that. Browser and other programs are closer to mainstream than ever before. I can do all the things I need with MorphOS today, I'm not waiting for anything, I enjoy.

With classic system / emulation you can't get as modern software as on MorphOS while having Amiga compatibility. And you can get MorphOS machine cheaper than classic system.

Computer HW got "fast enough" 8+ years ago. Heck, they still sell slower systems than my MorphOS machines even today (cheapest laptops, netbooks, RasPIs and other that kind of devices). My PC is older than my MorphOS machines and it's still fine for me too. My PS3 is almost as old as my MorphOS machines and it's still fine for me, and for many others too. Get real.

 
You obviously didn't read my earlier post.  I HAVE used MOS and OS4 on a PegII and my remarks still stand.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Iggy;747627
Not that I want to get into an argument with you (again), as it would be pointless to exchange messages with someone so poorly informed.
But I have a perfectly good web browser and a word processor running on both my MorphOS systems (as well as several games).
This satisfies 90% of my computing needs.
So I'm not waiting.

"Those systems are 8+ years out of date."
No kidding?
You do realize you're on a web site that focuses on systems over 25 years old, don't you?

And to all those who intensely dislike Apple, I've always harbored malice toward Steve Jobs.
The guy's work was always severely overrated.
But then,  I don't use Apple hardware to solely run OSX.

And OSX is certainly no worse than Windows.

Well, for a web site that focuses on 25+ year old systems there's an awful lot of wasted talk about X1000s, SAMS, iBooks, etc....they're far younger than 25 years old....so your point is ridiculous.  So you can keep waiting (or not) and spending your cash on dead-end tech.  If that's how you'd prefer to spend your time and money and justify it as a "hobby", be my guest, but stop trying to convince me and others that there's a rational reason to do so.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: nicholas;747614
Have you paid for it? If not then they are not obliged to do anything for you.  Patience is a virtue not many are blessed with.


The iBook yes. Because they said all are compatible. So I bought one.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747632
You obviously didn't read my earlier post.  I HAVE used MOS and OS4 on a PegII and my remarks still stand.


No they don't. By your own admission you haven't used MOS for five years.

Even if what you said was true, so what. We like fiddling with 25 year old hardware and modern clones of its operating system for our own pleasure.

Some like doing the same with old cars or train sets etc

If you don't enjoy the things this forum is designed to facilitate the discussion of then why do you visit and post? Serious question, I'm genuinely interested as to why.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747634
The iBook yes. Because they said all are compatible. So I bought one.


You haven't paid a penny to the MOS team so they are not obliged to provide you with anything.

Like I said, patience is a virtue.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on September 11, 2013, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747624
No, it isn't outdated.  I bought a PegII and a license for MOS back in 2008 and played with it for about 4 months ...(clip)... let it sit in my garage for a couple years and then finally sold it.


Sounds like your information and user experience is really outdated.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: nicholas;747636
You haven't paid a penny to the MOS team so they are not obliged to provide you with anything.

Like I said, patience is a virtue.


I didn't buy an iBook hoping that some day it will be compatible. I bought an iBook because THEY said it is compatible. It has nothing to do with virtue, it is about being responsible.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: nicholas;747635
No they don't. By your own admission you haven't used MOS for five years.

Even if what you said was true, so what. We like fiddling with 25 year old hardware and modern clones of its operating system for our own pleasure.

Some like doing the same with old cars or train sets etc

If you don't enjoy the things this forum is designed to facilitate the discussion of then why do you visit and post? Serious question, I'm genuinely interested as to why.


5 years in Amiga land is actually just 2 weeks in real time......joke implied!  LOL!

Don't get me wrong, I DO enjoy this forum.  I'm just extremely frustrated at the lack of progress in the area of useful software and in the cost of new NG hardware.  An earlier post mentioned the Raspberry PI....I get his point, low-end tech at a very low cost, but he missed the other points of the PI.  You can run several different OSs that have a wealth of useful and powerful applications.  I'm just wondering why we can't have that from NG Amiga hardware.  Right now, I get my NG fix by using AROS and hope that it will continue.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: pVC;747637
Sounds like your information and user experience is really outdated.

I BOUGHT my PegII in 2008.  I held onto it until October of 2011 before I finally sold it.  I would drag it out from time to see but it became painfully obvious that useful software wasn't coming anytime soon.  So my experience isn't as outdated as you imply.....less than 2 years.

Well, you might be willing to wait several years for a useful productivity suite for MOS, but most people who work for a living can't wait that long.  Yes, it's been 5 years and I'm still waiting.  It would be nice if there was a spreadsheet program for MOS or OS4 or something for presentations, but I'm certain it will be another 5 years and you guys will still be waiting.  How long would you suggest MOS and OS4 users continue to wait?  5 years, 10 years, etc...
A decent DVD/BD player would also be nice or USB support that isn't broken......USB has been a standard for well over 10 years and I never could get it to work properly under OS4 (still broken).  It would constantly corrupt whatever storage device I used.....oh, and don't get me started on printing.....printer support under MOS or OS4 is abysmal....and that hasn't changed either in 5 years...oh, and then there's Flash, java, etc....I could go on, but I won't.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on September 11, 2013, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747638
I didn't buy an iBook hoping that some day it will be compatible. I bought an iBook because THEY said it is compatible. It has nothing to do with virtue, it is about being responsible.


It is unfortunate situation and in no way intented, but they said it'll be fixed reasonably quickly with the upcoming bug fix release. They know their responsibilities and do the best...
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 07:56:07 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747638
I didn't buy an iBook hoping that some day it will be compatible. I bought an iBook because THEY said it is compatible. It has nothing to do with virtue, it is about being responsible.


You bought a machine for peanuts and have been given a free demo to test if your hardware is compatible. You discover it isn't, you report it, the team acknowledge the bug with your specific hardware and promise to fix it and release a bug fixed version when it's done.

I fail to see the drama here.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: nicholas;747645
You bought a machine for peanuts and have been given a free demo to test if your hardware is compatible. You discover it isn't, you report it, the team acknowledge the bug with your specific hardware and promise to fix it and release a bug fixed version when it's done.

I fail to see the drama here.

The price I paid is irrelevant. I wasn't given a 'free demo to test if my hardware is compatible' because they had already confirmed that it was compatible when they said that all iBook G4s are compatible. I was given a free demo to see if I like MorphOS in which case I would have bought it.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: pVC;747644
It is unfortunate situation and in no way intented, but they said it'll be fixed reasonably quickly with the upcoming bug fix release. They know their responsibilities and do the best...


They fixed it pretty much immediately, not sure if they will release the fix any quickly though, unless you can quote them on that?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on September 11, 2013, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747643
Well, you might be willing to wait several years for a useful productivity suite for MOS, but most people who work for a living can't wait that long.  Yes, it's been 5 years and I'm still waiting.  It would be nice if there was a spreadsheet program for MOS or OS4 or something for presentations, but I'm certain it will be another 5 years and you guys will still be waiting.  How long would you suggest MOS and OS4 users continue to wait?  5 years, 10 years, etc...


As I said, I have everything I need currently. I'm not waiting those office suites. Many others won't do their real work on their home/hobby systems either. There are some new solutions too, like Scriba or Google docs for example. And if you don't need to send files to other people, all old programs do the basic job just fine. If you need something, don't generalize it for everybody else, why are you telling to them that they shouldn't buy the systems and flood this informative thread?

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A decent DVD/BD player would also be nice or USB support that isn't broken......USB has been a standard for well over 10 years and I never could get it to work properly under OS4 (still broken).  It would constantly corrupt whatever storage device I used.....


I haven't had any problems with USB on MorphOS. Lets not generalize OS4 problems to all NG systems please.

Quote
oh, and don't get me started on printing.....printer support under MOS or OS4 is abysmal....and that hasn't changed either in 5 years...oh, and then there's Flash, java, etc....I could go on, but I won't.


I have no problems using network printer on MorphOS. If you use printer supporting postscript , which almost all modern printers do (except the very cheapest ink printers), you'll be fine with printing.

Flash support is partial, but luckily you don't need it on many places anymore. Youtube and other video sites do work without it nowadays etc. And of course java isn't available, but really, how many people will really need it? I've never installed it on any of my machines nor my relatives' machines and nobody has cared about it. It's just one word to yell when you don't have any more arguments.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on September 11, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747650
They fixed it pretty much immediately, not sure if they will release the fix any quickly though, unless you can quote them on that?


Well, traditionally they've made release with new features and then next release more quickly with just bug fixes. I'm pretty sure it was said somewhere with this case too.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2013, 08:21:01 PM
Ah ok, hopefully you are right, thanks :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: itix on September 11, 2013, 08:21:10 PM
Quote from: Everblue;747608
Well the least they could do, seeing that they fixed it, is release an updated iso, instead of making me wait until 3.3.


There wont be two different releases with the same version number.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: yssing on September 11, 2013, 08:27:03 PM
@Ferrellsl you do realize that a lot have happened in the last 5 years right?

I can't speak for MOS on this one, since I do not use it, but at least for AOS, there are a lot a productivity suites, both natively, through amiCygnix and also a lot have been ported with the help of QT.

So I have to ask you, what is it you need or lack?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: ferrellsl on September 11, 2013, 08:42:45 PM
Quote from: yssing;747661
@Ferrellsl you do realize that a lot have happened in the last 5 years right?

I can't speak for MOS on this one, since I do not use it, but at least for AOS, there are a lot a productivity suites, both natively, through amiCygnix and also a lot have been ported with the help of QT.

So I have to ask you, what is it you need or lack?

It's been less than 5 years that I used my PegII. I BOUGHT it in 2008 and held onto it until October of 2011, so it's been less than 2 years since I used it.  It was a double-boot system with MOS and OS4 installed.  I paid $700 new for the PegII...and another $200 for MOS and if my memory serves me, another $200+ for OS4.  That's a pretty hefty investment only to find that I couldn't do any real work with it.  But I suppose that's cheap compared to an X1000.  My point to readers here is that you shouldn't expect an OS4 or MOS system to be in any way a replacement for mainstream systems, but unfortunately there are too many people here who would have you believe otherwise.  Some are delusional, some are just misinformed but others have an economic interest in OS4, MOS, and X1000 hardware.  I fell into the trap of believing some of the moderators on this board about how useful a MOS system would be and was disappointed.  I'm just saying caveat emptor to those thinking of taking the plunge.  Try AROS first.  It's free......


Oh, AmigCygnix is awesome.  I used it for several months but my PegII at 1Ghz was just too slow and it was also painful to always be importing/exporting Excel files from my work systems.

I was pleasantly surprise to see QT4 ported to OS4 and I hope it brings a wealth of badly needed apps to OS4 and hopefully to MOS as well, whenever someone gets around to porting it.  Things in Amiga-land move slowly, I'm just not patient enough nor imprudent enough to throw more money at either system right now.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on September 11, 2013, 08:52:30 PM
I mostly use my PowerBook with MOS 3.2 for 90% of my day to day stuff and to get my geek on.

I don't use my Linux and MacBookPro machines that much anymore unless I have some specific task to do like using Logic Pro.

I ssh into them from MOS most of the time recently.

Admittedly I only use computers for nerdy activities mostly and web browsing/gmail.

If I was using them for work again I'd be using the Linux machines not the PowerBook.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: LoadWB on September 11, 2013, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;747613
Wow, I can't believe so many people here are lauding the use of a backward OS on a whopping 73 systems that are so obsolete that it's laughable. Those systems are 8+ years out of date.  If you're looking for nostalgia, get a classic system or emulate using one of the UAE variants.  There's simply no reason to buy a system to run MorphOS or even OS4 for that matter.  None of the NG systems have a productivity suite or even a browser that is useful enough to read the news! You guys keep right on buying those MOS licenses and keep holding your breath while waiting for some useful applications.  Simply ridiculous.....

Thank you for your opinion, generalizing your application to those of others.  Obviously you're not the target demographic for MorphOS.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on September 11, 2013, 11:52:24 PM
Quote from: LoadWB;747676
Thank you for your opinion, generalizing your application to those of others.  Obviously you're not the target demographic for MorphOS.


I wouldn't worry about.
He's been down on MorphOS for some time.

"... you shouldn't expect an OS4 or MOS system to be in any way a replacement for mainstream systems, but unfortunately there are too many people here who would have you believe otherwise. Some are delusional..."

Apparently I'm one of the delusional, as I frequently use my MorphOS systems as frequent substitutes for my '"mainstream systems" (ie OSX and Windows).
But since we've had this argument before, I'm not going to rehash it.

To sum it up, no ferrellsl isn't part of our demographic.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: LoadWB on September 12, 2013, 06:07:08 AM
Quick question.  I picked up a PowerMac which is listed as compatible, but it hangs during the installation.  Could this be related to the PowerBook compatibility problem alluded to above?  It's a 400MHz G4 with an ATI Rage card.  MorphOS site says only Radeon cards, but this system is listed as compatible and there were no models released with Radeon cards.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Kronos on September 12, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
@LoadWB
Actually the ATI Rage128 Pro is listed under "without 3d hardware acceleration".

Are you sure it's an 400MHz AGP G4 (PCI-only models are not supported).
At which point does it hang ?
Have you tried stripping the G4 down (no PCI cards, only 1 RAM-stick) to check for broken parts ?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: LoadWB on September 12, 2013, 12:36:54 PM
Quote from: Kronos;747721
@LoadWB
Actually the ATI Rage128 Pro is listed under "without 3d hardware acceleration".

Are you sure it's an 400MHz AGP G4 (PCI-only models are not supported).
At which point does it hang ?
Have you tried stripping the G4 down (no PCI cards, only 1 RAM-stick) to check for broken parts ?


It hangs at varying parts of copying files.  I've stripped it down with the exception of the video card.  Replaced RAM, hard drive, and optical drive.  I don't have it in front of me right now, but I did the research on it to make sure.  It's definitely AGP.  I'll have it in my hands again this weekend and I'll get more information on it.  I'm not opposed to replacing the video card if that's what the problem is.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Kronos on September 12, 2013, 01:30:34 PM
If you get that far it's surely supported and the GFX-card should make no difference at that point (well unless it's broken in some way).

Did you try wether the unit runs o.k. under OSX ?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: pVC on September 22, 2013, 10:00:45 AM
Quote from: Everblue;747655
Ah ok, hopefully you are right, thanks :)


Does it work now? :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 16, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
Power Macintosh G5

(http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_powermac_g5.jpg)

MorphOS 3.5 introduced support for some more Power Macintosh G5 systems (PowerMac7,2).

NVIDIA cards are not supported by MorphOS and would need to be replaced with a suitable Mac Radeon card instead.

MorphOS will currently use a maximum of 1GB of memory on these G5 machines, even if more is installed in the machine.

DP = Dual Processors (MorphOS only supports using one CPU though)


Here is a list of supported Power Macintosh G5 (7,2) machines, oldest first, ascending in performance:

   76. Power Macintosh G5 1.6 (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html), PowerMac7,2, NVIDIA card
77. Power Macintosh G5 1.8 (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8.html), PowerMac7,2, NVIDIA card
78. Power Macintosh G5 1.8 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp.html), PowerMac7,2, NVIDIA card
79. Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html), PowerMac7,2
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 16, 2014, 04:34:57 PM
To sum up the current G5 support (Model No: A1047 (http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1047)) that was divided in two posts above for obvious reasons, here is joint a list of the Power Macintosh G5 models that MorphOS currently supports:

:cool:
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: spirantho on February 17, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
@TMHG

Can you change the thread title? More than 73 systems now :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 17, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: spirantho;759026
@TMHG

Can you change the thread title? More than 73 systems now :)


Believe me, I have tried, but all older posts are locked for some reason and can't be changed in any way. The only posts I can edit now, are those above in this page. Strange...  :(

But to avoid any confusion, according to my count:

MorphOS now supports 79 (seventy-nine) systems!!!

:eek:

:banana: :banana: :banana:

:pint:

:biglaugh:
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: spirantho on February 17, 2014, 11:23:37 AM
Can the mods change it? Would be a useful post to keep up to date.

@TMHG

That was a bit too subtle (and nowhere near enough bananas), can you try again please? :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: OlafS3 on February 17, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759033
Believe me, I have tried, but all older posts are locked for some reason and can't be changed in any way. The only posts I can edit now, are those above in this page. Strange...  :(

But to avoid any confusion, according to my count:

MorphOS now supports 79 (seventy-nine) systems!!!

:eek:

:banana: :banana: :banana:

:pint:

:biglaugh:


Why are the letters so small? :laughing:
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: vox on February 17, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: OlafS3;759036
Why are the letters so small? :laughing:

I want 81, hope inna next release SAM460ex and SAM460ex LITE (Project NAOMO) will be added.

Also, MORE DRIVERS - PCI-E cards time, at least Radeon 4000Hd

What good is to have 81 sys supported, if only Radeon 9800 or Radeon 1xxx can be pluged in?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 17, 2014, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: spirantho;759035
Can the mods change it? Would be a useful post to keep up to date.

@TMHG

That was a bit too subtle (and nowhere near enough bananas), can you try again please? :)

(http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/fireworksanimation-13.gif)(http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/fireworksanimation-13.gif)

MorphOS now supports

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/RO_Roadsign_79.svg/600px-RO_Roadsign_79.svg.png)

(seventy-nine!)

Computer Systems!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

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:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

.

.

:biglaugh:

.

.

Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: spirantho on February 17, 2014, 12:47:05 PM
That'll do. For  now.

What will you do when the amount passes 80? :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: eliyahu on February 17, 2014, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: spirantho;759035
Can the mods change it? Would be a useful post to keep up to date.
done. :)

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 17, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
Quote from: vox;759039
What good is to have 81 sys supported, if only Radeon 9800 or Radeon 1xxx can be pluged in?


At least they are usable. For real. IMHO, the GFX card situation is not a problem with MorphOS (the PPC is a far more serious issue for example); those graphic cards kind of match the computers general performance for which they were made anyway, they are of the same age, from the same era. The R200 support is rock solid, the R300 has had many updates and improvements during the last few MorphOS releases and is now probably (I have no personal experience) kind of mature, then there will be the R500...

The X1000 development/OS4 porting started in 2009, the Sam 460 was released (with OS4 ported) in mid-2010. PCI-e was touted as some kind of holy grail by some, and Radeon HD cards were bundled with the pre-built systems ever since then.

That was more than an entire "computer generation" ago, a very looong time has passed since then in "computer evolution time". And today I read in Trevor's blog that the first release of the Radeon HD driver v1.0 is closing in. The highlight of this will be 2D HW acceleration! Not 3D, not overlay, just regular 2D!

So to quote yourself: "what good is that"?

While we had 2D, 3D, overlay, etc...

;)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: itix on February 17, 2014, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: vox;759039
I want 81, hope inna next release SAM460ex and SAM460ex LITE (Project NAOMO) will be added.

Also, MORE DRIVERS - PCI-E cards time, at least Radeon 4000Hd

What good is to have 81 sys supported, if only Radeon 9800 or Radeon 1xxx can be pluged in?

3D ;)

Anyway, Macs need Radeon with Mac ROM and AFAIK X1900 is the best you can have on Macs. On the other hand on low end lsystems like SAM460 X1900 is more than enough.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: nicholas on February 17, 2014, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;759042
done. :)

-- eliyahu

It needs to say 3.5 in the thread title but it says 3.2. :)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: eliyahu on February 17, 2014, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: nicholas;759047
It needs to say 3.5 in the thread title but it says 3.2. :)
i can't catch a break around here! :laughing:

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: SysAdmin on February 17, 2014, 03:57:36 PM
Quote from: nicholas;759047
It needs to say 3.5 in the thread title but it says 3.2. :)


So are you trying to say that MorphOS 3.5 came out on 05-28-2013?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on February 17, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: SysAdmin;759049
So are you trying to say that MorphOS 3.5 came out on 05-28-2013?

I'd say that was a stupid comment, but I'd be afraid of being accused of making an attack.

79 systems?
Woohoo!
Ain't that something?
How many systems does OS4 run on?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: yssing on February 17, 2014, 04:39:48 PM
Iggy, are we counting new or antique systems?
No doubt that mos runs on more antiques systems than AmigaOS.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on February 17, 2014, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: yssing;759051
Iggy, are we counting new or antique systems?
No doubt that mos runs on more antiques systems than AmigaOS.

With all due respect to A-eon and Varisys, my "antique" runs faster than a brand new X1000.
And by the time the X5000 is released, I should be running MorphOS on a quad core 2.5, so that "antique" will not only be faster, but will have just as many cores as the top of the line X5000.

And since when is a nine year old system "antique".
How old are the original "AmigaOne" models?
Even new, can an Acube board outperform even a dated PowerMac G4?

Do I care about when a system was created if it can mop the floor with the competition?

AND, if MorphOS support is extended to the X5000, how will the OS4 community explain the performance disparities  between the two OS'?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 17, 2014, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: yssing;759051
Iggy, are we counting new or antique systems?
No doubt that mos runs on more antiques systems than AmigaOS.

Hey now, play nice, and most of all - don't go throwing stones in glass houses! ;)

The X1000, the "top of the line", the prime of its kind, the better than best when it comes to OS4 HW origins from exactly the same antique age. Development may have begun in 2009, but it's nonetheless 2005 class HW (in a desktop context at least, it being a "mobile" CPU) and some of those ancient *G4* Macs actually beats it (laptops even)! At a fraction of the price. With proper GFX drivers, etc. Just sayin'! ;)

Sure, relying on HW that isn't being manufactured anymore will eventually become a problem, there is no arguing in that (a broad HW base of 79+ machines may of course help in postponing it for a while, but we'll get there). But here is the thing: relying on HW that either has too poor performance (Sam) or are insanely priced (X1000), and in both case has a terrible price/performance ratio, is a *present* problem (and has been a problem for OS4 since its very beginning).

At least MorphOS's future situation is being addressed. So I have heard, at least...

But this is of course off topic in this thread! The topic is that there now are 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5

:cool:
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: haywirepc on February 17, 2014, 06:14:34 PM
This argument from os4 fanboys about no new MORPHOS hardware is pretty ridiculous when a 100$ g4 mac outperforms their 3,000$ X1000.
 
Congratulations, your overpriced (but brand new) underperforming custom hardware is slower than a powermac I can get on ebay for 100$.
 
g5 powermacs smoke the x1000. (Even being antiques) :biglaugh:
 
Personally, I always thought it was pretty brilliant of the morphos team to port to this platform. There are tons of powerpc macs out there no one really wants. Beats robbing morphos customers for 3,000$ for an outdated
underperforming custom ppc computer.
 
I'm a linux guy, so I never appreciated or liked osx much. BUT Mac hardware is pretty well built.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: spirantho on February 17, 2014, 06:34:13 PM
Why did OS4 get brought into this conversation?

This is exactly why there are such divisions in the Amiga community.  Can't we have a good thread about MorphOS without trying to one-up the so-called competition? We should be cheering each other on, as cross-pollination between platforms benefits all of us - not sniping at each other.

The red vs. blue wars to most intents and purposes ended a long time ago, why try and continue it?


Let's keep this thread a positive thread about the progress made by the MorphOS devs, rather than yet another negative thread about other flavours, eh?
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Iggy on February 17, 2014, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;759055
...BUT Mac hardware is pretty well built.

Yep, well said, Steven.
I despise Apple, but the hardware IS well made.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Iggy on February 17, 2014, 06:42:26 PM
Quote from: spirantho;759056
Why did OS4 get brought into this conversation?

This is exactly why there are such divisions in the Amiga community.  Can't we have a good thread about MorphOS without trying to one-up the so-called competition? We should be cheering each other on, as cross-pollination between platforms benefits all of us - not sniping at each other.

The red vs. blue wars to most intents and purposes ended a long time ago, why try and continue it?


Let's keep this thread a positive thread about the progress made by the MorphOS devs, rather than yet another negative thread about other flavours, eh?

I don't really know as several of my friends use OS4 and I might get a copy if I buy a system that will run both OS'.
But for all intents and purposes, the whole "war" issue is dead.
Heck, we've been pushing for some common applications (like Odyssey).
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: yssing on February 17, 2014, 06:48:59 PM
Quote from: Iggy;759053

And since when is a nine year old system "antique".
How old are the original "AmigaOne" models?

I never said that the Eyetech amigaOne models werent antique, and any thing older than 3 years is antique IMHO.
So in the SAM440 I use,  I also use an old system.

Quote from: Iggy;759053

Even new, can an Acube board outperform even a dated PowerMac G4?


Do I care about when a system was created if it can mop the floor with the competition?

Quote from: Iggy;759053

AND, if MorphOS support is extended to the X5000, how will the OS4 community explain the performance disparities  between the two OS'?
Lets cross that bridge when MOS gets there.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Iggy on February 17, 2014, 07:01:06 PM
@ yssing

All points I can agree on.
And I am in one of my "I think I might want a SAM460" modes right now.
That has its "antique" attributes too, but I guess its a matter of what you use it for.
As I move to G5s, I find web browsing on my iBook preferable as it uses less power.
A SAM460 would also offer low power draw for less demanding uses.
Not everything needs an X1000, X5000, or a G5.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: vox on February 17, 2014, 07:02:57 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759043
At least they are usable. For real. IMHO, the GFX card situation is not a problem with MorphOS (the PPC is a far more serious issue for example); those graphic cards kind of match the computers general performance for which they were made anyway, they are of the same age, from the same era. The R200 support is rock solid, the R300 has had many updates and improvements during the last few MorphOS releases and is now probably (I have no personal experience) kind of mature, then there will be the R500...

The X1000 development/OS4 porting started in 2009, the Sam 460 was released (with OS4 ported) in mid-2010. PCI-e was touted as some kind of holy grail by some, and Radeon HD cards were bundled with the pre-built systems ever since then.

That was more than an entire "computer generation" ago, a very looong time has passed since then in "computer evolution time". And today I read in Trevor's blog that the first release of the Radeon HD driver v1.0 is closing in. The highlight of this will be 2D HW acceleration! Not 3D, not overlay, just regular 2D!

So to quote yourself: "what good is that"?

While we had 2D, 3D, overlay, etc...

;)

Dont start me moan on OS4 development, I am good in it.

Problem is: MOANA (SAm460ex support is official) but board is kinky and cannot support cards older then Radeon 4000HD (I am not joking see Acube manual).

So at least 2D support would be great. And its about time with G5 Macs that have PCI-E too. Or nVIDIA support. R200 and R300 are early 2000 models, soon to be in museums.

About Hanses driver: I Hope I have paid 3D support too ...

On other news, AW.net hasnt still refunded my 20euros to Daddy, and no one responds on admins, no one care. Please dont give money to this board.

Eliyahu is terrible censor that knows just how to lock threads with no exponation.

Also, Hyperion support forum has found new limbo: put user on a APPROVAL mode and never approve his messages. Nice collection of end user rights breach and then they say I am madman that will lose in court.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: yssing on February 17, 2014, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Iggy;759061
@ yssing
Not everything needs an X1000, X5000, or a G5.
I agree 100%, not everything needs a lot of raw power. I don't think I do any thing that that needs a lot of power.
I code php most of the time, and when I do code other things, speed is not the issue.
And the SAM440 does do what I need, though some heavy webpages could use a bit more than the power the 733mhz cpu can deliver.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: yssing on February 17, 2014, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: vox;759062
MOANA (SAm460ex support is official) but board is kinky and cannot support cards older then Radeon 4000HD (I am not joking see Acube manual)
So? its hard to find older cards anyway, besides the lowend radeon(5450/6450) are so cheap they are almost free.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Boot_WB on February 17, 2014, 07:35:40 PM
Quote from: vox;759062
Problem is: MOANA (SAm460ex support is official) but board is kinky and cannot support cards older then Radeon 4000HD (I am not joking see Acube manual).


Quote
3 - when using a PCI-Express graphic card, we suggest to use a Radeon HD2400 or newer models. Older models like X600, X800 are not fully compatible with the Sam460ex and may not work. Some X1550 cards are reported to work OK.


Sam460ex user manual (http://acube-systems.biz/download/Sam460ex_EndUserManual_v1.2.pdf)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: vox on February 17, 2014, 10:56:36 PM
Quote from: Boot_WB;759065
Sam460ex user manual (http://acube-systems.biz/download/Sam460ex_EndUserManual_v1.2.pdf)

That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: takemehomegrandma on February 18, 2014, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: vox;759071
That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000

"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:

Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.

Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!

:)

That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:

The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would also like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)

:)
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: itix on February 18, 2014, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: vox;759071
That is it. No one has a tested card list and since HD2400 is hard to find and way too slow, most of SAM460 user like I, start with Radeon HD 4000

if you find HD2400 too slow and HD4000 then it is a bug in Radeon driver.

Newer gfx cards get better in 3D but since it is SAM460 it doesnt really matter.

@spirantho

You could file a report against yssing or just ignore it.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: danwood on February 18, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759103
"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:

Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.

Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!

:)

That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:

The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)

:)

Well said, indeed I am still baffled why Vox when down the expensive, slower and less supported Sam460 to run MorphOS rather than just getting a Mini g4 for like $100?

Each to their own though, but the PPC Mac support is definitely a huge bonus of MorphOS.  When my A1XE was starting to act up I looked at my options, as you say the 460 is only around the same performance level as an A1XE/Pegasos, and in many ways inferior as it has less developed/finished drivers.  So the only option for an upgrade was to drop £3,000 on an X1000 which was out of the question so MorphOS on a cheap mini now satisfies my "NG" needs.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: danwood on February 18, 2014, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759054

Sure, relying on HW that isn't being manufactured anymore will eventually become a problem
:cool:

Hasn't been much of a problem for Amiga users, we're using hardware much older than PPC Macs that are less than a decade old.  I don't see it being a problem for a good 5-10 years at least when the G5 support it totally finished.
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: yssing on February 18, 2014, 12:29:32 PM
Yes you could blame me for bringing up OS4, but in fact it was brought up by Iggy before I mentioned anything.

But lets blame me, it's funnier, atleast I won't be suing any one. :D
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Iggy on February 18, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: yssing;759108
Yes you could blame me for bringing up OS4, but in fact it was brought up by Iggy before I mentioned anything.

But lets blame me, it's funnier, atleast I won't be suing any one. :D

Guilty as charge.

A bad habit which I will try to reform.

No NG application really stresses any of our systems in terms of video bandwidth.
And we steadily adopt even more powerful cards (MorphOS working up WITH 3D support, and OS4 leapfrogging to the top without).
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: Alexco on February 18, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
For me it would be enough if they just start to support the white iBooks G3.
At least this would make my G3 800MHz usable again :-)
Title: Re: Power Macintosh G5
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on February 18, 2014, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: Dr.Bongo;736225
Sorry to flame

Liar!!
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on February 18, 2014, 11:39:51 PM
Is this the laptop version I need to run MorphOS on it?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-A1107-17-1-67MGz-Aluminum-PowerBook-G4-Laptop-160GB-HD-2GB-Mem-Superdrive-/151231109939?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item2336139b33
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Boot_WB on February 19, 2014, 02:20:44 AM
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;759146
Is this the laptop version I need to run MorphOS on it?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-A1107-17-1-67MGz-Aluminum-PowerBook-G4-Laptop-160GB-HD-2GB-Mem-Superdrive-/151231109939?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item2336139b33


That is one of the many models.
Everymac.com is a really good site for checking detailed info on the hardware - most Apple G4 laptop models are supported (all G4 iBooks, most aluminium G4 Powerbooks, but none of the Titanium ones) - the only exception being a few early aluminium Powerbooks that had NVidea graphics cards.

If you have any doubts about the exact model you're bidding on, ask the seller to check the 'About my Mac' screen for the model number, then look this up on Everymac.com.

NB - The morphos-team website (hardware support page) needs clarifying - it states that " Powerbook G4 [...] Only models with a Radeon graphics chip are supported", whereas it should say "Only aluminium models with a Radeon..." (Titanium models have various Radeon Mobility)
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on February 19, 2014, 02:40:34 AM
The only problem I have with MorphOS..is that it does not support Java. Had it support Java I would get rid of my windows 7 laptop and get a MorphOS and use it instead. Why?

because I have an online courses in an online university that runs a java program...therefore I cannot even use Linux.

I would rather have a morphos laptop to be honest..but I will get morphOS in the future in a laptop form and buy it...cheaper than OS 4.1 and even OS 4.1 does not even support laptop.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: haywirepc on February 19, 2014, 02:49:55 AM
You could also throw an extra low power consuming x86 windows pc next to your morphos box and just remote desktop to it from your morphOS machine.

I saw someone doing this once, and it was pretty cool...
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on February 19, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
OOh! In that case...I will diffidently use MorphOS and the laptop as my main OS and main laptop then! Would I be able to hear the audio in the remote?
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: antikk on February 19, 2014, 07:50:24 AM
Why are you bringing a premium car into this discussion? And why are you settling for only a 535? I'm asuming you're talking about a e34 535 around 90 model. With 400000km on the counter. With much rust, engine starting to fail due to no service. Leaking oil. Rubbish interior. Why didn't you aim a bit higher? Like an m5? :)
Whats the difference  between 2d hardware acceleration and real 2d hardware acceleration?
And fitting an porsche engine into a fiat would be nice. And since you're comparing that to gfx card and sam. That means you have the engine connected to the drive chain etc. making the fiat fast.
I don't see why a fiat can't be as fast as a porsche.


Quote from: takemehomegrandma;759103
"Way too slow" for what exactly? :crazy:

Remember that the Sam 460 only has an embedded PowerPC 460 class CPU (no altivec etc) running at mere 1/1.1GHz that struggles in keeping up with even a Pegasos 2 (and the more recent 1.4GHz+ G4 Macs can be close to 2x as fast as the Peg2 in some areas). Its 4 lanes of PCI-e 1.1 interface provides a theoretical maximum of 1000MB/s bandwidth, to a graphics cards that has no 3D acceleration support, no overlay support and officially not even 2D acceleration support as of yet! Compare this to the much faster G4's of 1.42GHz/1.67GHz or even higher (up to 1.8/2.0GHz with 3rd party accelerators) with 1066MB/s AGP 4X, or up to 2.7GHz G5 CPU's with a 2133MB/s AGP 8X interface to graphics cards with real 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc.

Bolting on a Porsche 911 Turbo engine (read: fast GFX card) to an old Fiat 126 (read: Sam 460), won't make the Fiat perform at a Porsche level, there are too many limiting factors, too many bottle necks. A Fiat 126 simply couldn't support an engine like that, couldn't make full use of it. And of course, if there is no driver, then it won't move at all! And here you are, touting: "A Porsche 911 Turbo engine is way too slow for a Fiat 126, I think it should have a Ferrari F1 engine instead", which really doesn't make any sense at all. And since there is no driver, your Fiat doesn't move anyway, and you spend most of your time standing beside it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and talking to others about it and its fantasy future and theoretical performance it *could/should* have on FiatWorld.net. It's a discussion club. And has been for years, and will be for years to come. While others have had much fun during all that time (and still have, and will have for a long time still), driving around in their BMW 535's (MorphOS on Mac's), fitted with the proper/suitable BMW 535 engines that was meant for the car. Sure, it's no Porsche 911, but it's no Fiat 126 either. And sure, they may be second hand, and yes, they are aging, but old as they are, they are for sure "reasonably priced cars" and with a driver like "the Stig" (meaning: the lightweight MorphOS can do some things that simply wasn't possible when that fat Mac dude was behind the wheel), it can for sure be a very fun ride for those interested in *actually riding stuff* instead of just talking/dreaming about it!

:)

That's why the MorphOS Team's Mac support was the winning strategy compared to OS4! 79 possible platforms to search for, with great diversity, ranging from very compact/low footprint like the Mac Mini (my personal favorite) via the "big-box" desktop G4's, to the big bad G5's! And don't forget: Two entire families of laptops! :cool:

The graphics cards works great, and thanks to competent drivers that can actually handle them, they do pretty much everything they are supposed to do! Games like Skyrim isn't realistically going to happen for anything Amiga anyway (and no, this is *not* because of absence of Radeon R9 (Volcanic Islands) GFX cards), and for whatever SW the Amiga platform has, the R200/R300 (and R500) is a perfect match! Sure, I wouldn't mind having Radeon Volcanic Islands support in MorphOS, but then I would also like to have Intel Z87 + Core i3/i5/i7 Haswell support (with 64-bit and SMP) as well... ;)

:)[/QUOTE]
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Iggy on February 19, 2014, 01:42:33 PM
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;759146
Is this the laptop version I need to run MorphOS on it?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Apple-A1107-17-1-67MGz-Aluminum-PowerBook-G4-Laptop-160GB-HD-2GB-Mem-Superdrive-/151231109939?pt=Apple_Laptops&hash=item2336139b33

That is the ideal unit, but as mentioned before several models are supported.
The G3 iBooks are not supported, but all G4 iBooks are (like my 1.42 GHz model).
I haven't tried using Windows in a remote desktop, but it sounds like a neat option.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Kronos on February 19, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: Iggy;759176
That is the ideal unit,


Unless you prefer to have more pixels when the PB5.9 (A1139) becomes the ideal unit....
Title: Re: 73 available systems for MorphOS 3.2
Post by: vox on February 19, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: danwood;759106
Well said, indeed I am still baffled why Vox when down the expensive, slower and less supported Sam460 to run MorphOS rather than just getting a Mini g4 for like $100?

Each to their own though, but the PPC Mac support is definitely a huge bonus of MorphOS.  When my A1XE was starting to act up I looked at my options, as you say the 460 is only around the same performance level as an A1XE/Pegasos, and in many ways inferior as it has less developed/finished drivers.  So the only option for an upgrade was to drop £3,000 on an X1000 which was out of the question so MorphOS on a cheap mini now satisfies my "NG" needs.

I do have SAM460ex and currently have no space for more computers.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: Iggy on February 19, 2014, 11:53:52 PM
Quote from: Kronos;759188
Unless you prefer to have more pixels when the PB5.9 (A1139) becomes the ideal unit....

"Dad" has a point here.
Both are 128MB vram models, but the A1139 supports higher resolutions.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on February 20, 2014, 01:04:22 AM
That is not important for me. I d not care if MorphOS supports even more laptop models...this is the laptop model I want and I will buy and use for MorphOS:

Apple A1107 17" 1.67MGz Aluminum PowerBook G4 Laptop 160GB HD 2GB Mem Superdrive

In a month from now I will order this version of laptop and in two weeks from now I will buy MorphOS 3.5.
Title: Re: 79 available systems for MorphOS 3.5
Post by: nicholas on February 20, 2014, 01:50:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;759232
That is not important for me. I d not care if MorphOS supports even more laptop models...this is the laptop model I want and I will buy and use for MorphOS:

Apple A1107 17" 1.67MGz Aluminum PowerBook G4 Laptop 160GB HD 2GB Mem Superdrive

In a month from now I will order this version of laptop and in two weeks from now I will buy MorphOS 3.5.

You need to buy the laptop first before you can buy a MorphOS licence for it. ;)