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Title: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: zylesea on December 01, 2012, 02:15:46 PM
MorphOS now supports Sam460, too: http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=17250

A chance for 460 owners to try out MorphOS and those who like MorphOS, but for some reason dislike used hardware or everythig with a biten apple on it or a combination of both or #?: there's your chance to run MorphOS on new and not discontinued hardware.

Personally I think Acube's offers are rather expensive, but they have earned s proven track recorde now over the recent years. They deliver and support. That's something rather rare these days. And maybe in future they will bring on a bit more competetive offers.

Edit: It's confirmed now by MorphOS team members.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Templario on December 01, 2012, 02:56:10 PM
Welll, other OS for this board and with it we'll have four, Amiga OS4, Linux, AROS PPC and now MorphOS.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Matt_H on December 01, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
A practice that we've always has with Amigas is to run things on them that weren't originally envisioned - Bridgeboards, Mac emulators, NetBSD, Linux, etc. That tradition continues now that we have our second NG Amiga capable of running all of our modern flavors (I believe Pegasos was the first). Nice work, everyone!
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Duce on December 01, 2012, 06:32:46 PM
That's gotta sting a few people to see the Holy Mark on the Heathen Mobos.
:)

Might get around to registering MOS now that it (soon) supports my preferred hardware.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Methuselas on December 01, 2012, 07:40:59 PM
This is the kind of stuff that makes me happy. Maybe I'll look into buying a 460 board. That way, I get the best of both worlds and may be I'll finally pick a side. ;P
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: F1Lupo on December 01, 2012, 08:59:17 PM
WoW !!! now MOS has got new hardware & Sam460/AmigaONE 500 owners can triple boot all AmigaOS flavours--WIN WIn :knuddel::pint::banana:
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Tripitaka on December 01, 2012, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: Duce;717092
That's gotta sting a few people to see the Holy Mark on the Heathen Mobos.
:)

Might get around to registering MOS now that it (soon) supports my preferred hardware.


Those heathen mobos wouldn't be around if Hyperion didn't go to them for an OS4 platform, that's got to add some salt to that sting for some. I look forward to seeing some performance reports.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Akiko on December 01, 2012, 10:36:01 PM
Very good news, never seen this coming!

Hopefully this will be the trend and future hardware from Acube will also be supported. :)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Methuselas on December 02, 2012, 01:29:31 AM
Quote from: Tripitaka;717112
Those heathen mobos wouldn't be around if Hyperion didn't go to them for an OS4 platform, that's got to add some salt to that sting for some. I look forward to seeing some performance reports.


I'm actually surprised the "Blue Heretics" haven't chimed in on this yet.... :razz: :lol:
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: F1Lupo on December 02, 2012, 01:37:29 AM
Quote from: Methuselas;717123
I'm actually surprised the "Blue Heretics" haven't chimed in on this yet.... :razz: :lol:


Well this isn't the standard OS4.x thread so they are a bit confused :razz:
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Methuselas on December 02, 2012, 01:44:09 AM
Quote from: klx300r;717124
Well this isn't the standard OS4.x thread so they are a bit confused :razz:


ROFLMMFAO!


:roflmao:
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Kesa on December 02, 2012, 01:51:48 AM
Quote from: Methuselas;717123
I'm actually surprised the "Blue Heretics" haven't chimed in on this yet.... :razz: :lol:

They will. I predict their argument will be the same - why spend all that money when you can get something already available at a much lower cost?

But i agree it is great they are porting it over. May have to think about saving up for a Sam460. I have always wanted to try AOS4.x and this means i can do both on the same machine.

I also wonder what will happen to their licencing plan. Now that users can choose between red and blue they may have to alter their strategy a little.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Methuselas on December 02, 2012, 02:08:23 AM
Quote from: Kesa;717127
But i agree it is great they are porting it over. May have to think about saving up for a Sam460. I have always wanted to try AOS4.x and this means i can do both on the same machine.

+1

Exactly what I was thinking.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: XDelusion on December 02, 2012, 02:24:11 AM
Very cool, I still think I want to stick with the G5, but this is awesome!

When I am working again and ready to check out OS 4.x, I will certainly be buying this board, having various flavors of Amiga OS available for once computer is just too cool!
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: eliyahu on December 02, 2012, 04:37:03 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;717131
Very cool, I still think I want to stick with the G5, but this is awesome!

When I am working again and ready to check out OS 4.x, I will certainly be buying this board, having various flavors of Amiga OS available for once computer is just too cool!
Absolutely! This certainly adds to my enthusiasm for grabbing a SAM460ex next year. One of the reasons I was so interested in getting a pegasos2 was the ability to run both AmigaOS and MorphOS on the same machine -- and I enjoy the ability to do so. I also hope this might lead to support for RadeonHD cards on MorphOS eventually.

In fact with AmigaOS 4.1, MorphOS, and AROS all eventually able to run natively on the SAM460ex, it might not be the fastest next-generation Amiga system, but it certainly will be the most compatible. Rock on, Acube! :)

Edit: For those of you on Facebook there is a video (https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=4960519341710) of the MorphOS prototype booting up.

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Rob on December 02, 2012, 06:54:52 AM
Quote from: Methuselas;717123
I'm actually surprised the "Blue Heretics" haven't chimed in on this yet.... :razz: :lol:


The rabids are hailing it as the OS4 endgame (yet again) over at the moo.  Always good for a laugh over there.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Methuselas on December 02, 2012, 07:49:00 AM
Quote from: Rob;717158
The rabids are hailing it as the OS4 endgame (yet again) over at the moo.  Always good for a laugh over there.

Considering I spend about as much time there, as I do in Thailand, contracting syphilis from street walkers, I had no idea it was the "endgame." Of course, all that does is detract me even further from MorphOS.


Not surprising, though...... :confused:
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: Tripitaka;717112
Those heathen mobos wouldn't be around if Hyperion didn't go to them for an OS4 platform


Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 09:06:29 AM
Quote from: Rob;717158
The rabids are hailing it as the OS4 endgame (yet again) over at the moo.  Always good for a laugh over there.


Looks like "red heretics" are getting mad because MorphOS is ported to yet another hardware...?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: takemehomegrandma on December 02, 2012, 09:15:03 AM
Good news for Sam 460 owners.

:)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: haywirepc on December 02, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

Maybe they were originally designed with that purpose in mind but there is no way embedded customers are buying up these boards or providing acube with any significant customer base. These boards are just WAY under powered, WAY outdated, and WAY overpriced boards for amigaOS - and now AROS PPC,  and MORPHOS.

Well I guess all those people who complain about used hardware can shut up now, if you really want brand new hardware for morphOS there it is.

Me? I'd rather buy a good condition powermac g4 for a tenth of the price.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;717168
Good news for Sam 460 owners.

:)

Now they can have new MorphOS without buying another system. ;-)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;717169
"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

Maybe they were originally designed with that purpose in mind but there is no way embedded customers are buying up these boards or providing acube with any significant customer base. These boards are just WAY under powered, WAY outdated, and WAY overpriced boards for amigaOS - and now AROS PPC,  and MORPHOS.


Yes it would explain why SAM is available in small quantities only. But SAM platform is an embedded platform. It is using an embedded CPU, it has got FPGA (useless to desktop users), it has got SM502 graphics adapter what is not very useful for desktop use (low resolution, lack of gfx acceleration) and many "useless" ports.

I dont know if Acube is selling those boards at all outside Amiga market but it certainly was designed for embedded customers not using Amiga. As an evaluation board there is always small, tiny demand.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 09:39:58 AM
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3736
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: jj on December 02, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: eliyahu;717146
Absolutely! This certainly adds to my enthusiasm for grabbing a SAM460ex next year. One of the reasons I was so interested in getting a pegasos2 was the ability to run both AmigaOS and MorphOS on the same machine -- and I enjoy the ability to do so. I also hope this might lead to support for RadeonHD cards on MorphOS eventually.

In fact with AmigaOS 4.1, MorphOS, and AROS all eventually able to run natively on the SAM460ex, it might not be the fastest next-generation Amiga system, but it certainly will be the most compatible. Rock on, Acube! :)

Edit: For those of you on Facebook there is a video (https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=4960519341710) of the MorphOS prototype booting up.

-- eliyahu


That took for ever boot, and the screen update was well slow, guessing this because relevant drivers not optimized for the board yet.

If the time difference between other hardware release videos and actually release is anything to go by, this could be a year before sam version is released
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Templario on December 02, 2012, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: Methuselas;717123
I'm actually surprised the "Blue Heretics" haven't chimed in on this yet.... :razz: :lol:

Man, the Blue heretics and Red devils, it is scoccer game?
because I'm both, I have MOS and OS4 and OS3.9
Now we have a chance of squeeze our Sam460ex series.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Templario on December 02, 2012, 11:06:00 AM
Is there a multiboot selector? because with so OS for the Sams where choose, it is incredible, 5 OS availables for this board.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Karlos on December 02, 2012, 12:57:40 PM
One rig to run them all, one rig to find them,
One rig to bring them all and in the hobby bind them.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: eliyahu on December 02, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: JJ;717177
That took for ever boot, and the screen update was well slow, guessing this because relevant drivers not optimized for the board yet.

If the time difference between other hardware release videos and actually release is anything to go by, this could be a year before sam version is released
it's early days, but the thing will fly once completed. OS4 is brilliantly fast on that little board, especially the development builds i got to play with at amiwest this year, so i'm sure MOS will be equally as fast, if not faster.

does anyone know if the MOS version for the SAM will support the onboard SM502, or will it require a R200 video board? and what about sound: will it support the SM502 or need a third-party sound card? if it were up to me, i'd skip bothering with the SM502 -- slow and poor documentation. nearly everyone who already has one of these machines uses another video card, albeit a radeon HD card. with u-boot being updated to support PCIe-to-PCI bridges, there's really no need to futz with the siliconmotion chip.

who's working on the port, by the way? is it just frank or are others involved?

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: persia on December 02, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Duce on December 02, 2012, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: persia;717190
Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...


One can only dream.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Everblue on December 02, 2012, 03:48:10 PM
What if they stop supporting Acube hardware in retaliation?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 04:48:47 PM
Quote from: JJ;717177
That took for ever boot, and the screen update was well slow, guessing this because relevant drivers not optimized for the board yet.

If the time difference between other hardware release videos and actually release is anything to go by, this could be a year before sam version is released


AFAIK it is using the onboard SM502 without hardware acceleration. I dont know if any r200 video cards are supported on this board yet. On the other hand you dont need another SATA controller to install/use MorphOS on this machine.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Tripitaka on December 02, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
Quote from: itix;717166
Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for.


Therefore they would never have appeared on most of our shopping lists without Hyperion's involvement and MorphOS wouldn't be on a platform that's currently being manufactured. My point to begin with.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Tripitaka on December 02, 2012, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: persia;717190
Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...

Better to spend the time putting OS4 on a portable machine I think, but it would be amusing.

So, when do we get MorphOS for X1000?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 02, 2012, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Tripitaka;717202
Therefore they would never have appeared on most of our shopping lists without Hyperion's involvement and MorphOS wouldn't be on a platform that's currently being manufactured. My point to begin with.

ACube is obviously important partner to Hyperion, no doubt about it.

Quote
So, when do we get MorphOS for X1000?

Tell your friends to wait for X2000 instead.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Hans_ on December 02, 2012, 07:34:26 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;717169
"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

I'm not so sure about "hundreds of embedded solutions" being a tenth or less of the cost. Embedded hardware for industrial purposes tends to be on the expensive side. I once sent a price enquiry to an embedded hardware manufacturer for a CompactPCI motherboard, and these guys were charging ~$2000 US just for the Linux drivers for the onboard peripherals! That's on top of the cost of the board, and the backplane, etc. Needless to say, they were dumped from the list pretty quickly. Nevertheless, they were solely selling embedded systems to industry...

Hans
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: TheBilgeRat on December 02, 2012, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: karlos;717182
one rig to run them all, one rig to find them,
one rig to bring them all and in the hobby bind them.

QFTf! :D
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: dammy on December 02, 2012, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: Everblue;717195
What if they stop supporting Acube hardware in retaliation?


When was the last time they directly supported ACube's hardware?  SAM440s?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: andst on December 02, 2012, 09:59:44 PM
Hey cool, I was just wondering how to do code testing on Morphos.  Now the only remaining challenge is how to quadruple-boot the 460...
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Matt_H on December 03, 2012, 03:45:18 AM
Quote from: Karlos;717182
One rig to run them all, one rig to find them,
One rig to bring them all and in the hobby bind them.


Very nicely put!

Quote from: haywirepc;717169
"Acube's primary market is embedded customer and that is what those boards are designed for."

People keep saying that, but its just not true. No way embedded customers are using these boards. There are hundreds of embedded solutions that are a tenth (or less) of the cost of these boards, and even at a tenth of the
price those other embedded boards have modern specs, not 10 year old specs.

Maybe they were originally designed with that purpose in mind but there is no way embedded customers are buying up these boards or providing acube with any significant customer base. These boards are just WAY under powered, WAY outdated, and WAY overpriced boards for amigaOS - and now AROS PPC,  and MORPHOS.

Well I guess all those people who complain about used hardware can shut up now, if you really want brand new hardware for morphOS there it is.

Me? I'd rather buy a good condition powermac g4 for a tenth of the price.


I just don't see how ACube could be staying in business on the Amiga alone. They've got to have industrial customers behind the scenes making use of the features and ports not used - and sometimes not even present - on the "consumer" versions of the boards (i.e., the ones we see).

Who knows, 20 years from now maybe some municipal lighting system will be overhauled and we'll see SAMs unearthed from within the old control stations. :)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: persia on December 03, 2012, 03:46:43 AM
And that would be different to now?

Quote from: Everblue;717195
What if they stop supporting Acube hardware in retaliation?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Bamiga2002 on December 03, 2012, 08:14:00 AM
This is good news! :)
Both red & blue, I salute you!
Gets me thinking of buying the SAM for both OS's.

Now bring on the benchmarks :swords: !!
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Rob on December 03, 2012, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: itix;717200
AFAIK it is using the onboard SM502 without hardware acceleration. I dont know if any r200 video cards are supported on this board yet. On the other hand you dont need another SATA controller to install/use MorphOS on this machine.


I got the impression from the video that they must be running SM502.  It's really weak and benches around the same as a Permedia 2 on an A1200 in GFXBench2D.
Shouldn't the R200 driver work out of the box anyway.  Despite that I think it makes sense to support the lowest common denominator since not every Sam460 owner will have an R200 card.

This is a very early alpha and could be some time before a release by which time MorphOS might well be supporting cards cards newer than R300 anyway.

I look forward to seeing more details on this project.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Tripitaka on December 03, 2012, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: persia;717263
And that would be different to now?


Apart from updates to OS4, what other support do you think they should be providing?

The above comment is not just directed at Persia but at all those who keep making absurd digs about Hyperion not supporting SAM boards.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: takemehomegrandma on December 03, 2012, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: Rob;717279
It's really weak and benches around the same as a Permedia 2 on an A1200 in GFXBench2D.
Shouldn't the R200 driver work out of the box anyway.  Despite that I think it makes sense to support the lowest common denominator since not every Sam460 owner will have an R200 card.


The SM502 does have 2D acceleration though, which I doubt is being used here? :confused:

It also have true overlay support! :p ;) :lol:

:)

Quote
This is a very early alpha and could be some time before a release by which time MorphOS might well be supporting cards cards newer than R300 anyway.


I'd chose a fully supported R200/R300 card (2D, 3D, overlay) any day over a RadeonHD with only 2D though. :lol: And I also rather have those features *now* on a R200/R300, than having to wait for them to be released at some unknown point in the future (can take years for all we know).

The 3D in R200/R300 is kind of more than enough for the SW we have (and can hope for as well) and MorphOS drivers are really fast on this front, VRAM is enough on most cards, and most cards happily displays all resolutions most normal people would ever need. All in all, it's good enough. And I'm looking forward to see the R300 fully developed.

Putting a Radeon HD into something like a Sam 460 is like squeezing in a Ferrari engine in an old Trabant; you wouldn't be able to go very fast anyway. Faster, yes, but very far from the engines full capability. The Ferrari engine may be modern and high performing, but the old Trabby certainly isn't and wouldn't be able to cope. IMHO of course.

:)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: takemehomegrandma on December 03, 2012, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: Tripitaka;717287
Apart from updates to OS4, what other support do you think they should be providing?

The above comment is not just directed at Persia but at all those who keep making absurd digs about Hyperion not supporting SAM boards.


Drivers (that may also be improved over time) for the on-board HW features of the hardware in question, of course, since this is what makes the OS run on that HW! This is what "supporting HW" usually means in an OS.

;)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Rob on December 03, 2012, 02:00:28 PM
Why are you trying to turn this into some sort of points scoring exercise?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Tripitaka on December 03, 2012, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;717292
Drivers (that may also be improved over time) for the on-board HW features of the hardware in question, of course, since this is what makes the OS run on that HW! This is what "supporting HW" usually means in an OS.

;)


And MorphOS doesn't support all the features of the macs it runs on either, powerbooks and emacs being the case in point. I wouldn't say they are not supporting the hardware, these are small companies and things take time. Welcome to the reality of niche computing.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: takemehomegrandma on December 03, 2012, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: Tripitaka;717304
And MorphOS doesn't support all the features of the macs it runs on either, powerbooks and emacs being the case in point. I wouldn't say they are not supporting the hardware, these are small companies and things take time. Welcome to the reality of niche computing.


:confused:

What did that have to do with the discussion coming from Everblue's/Dammy's/Persia's posts? If you think they were talking about some unsupported controller on some motherboard, then you blatantly failed to understand. Here is an easier example for you then: If Acube would write OS4 drivers for Mac Mini (which they did, I have "Moana" here on my HDD), would that be the same thing as Hyperion supporting Mac Mini? Do you understand their point now?

;)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Methuselas on December 03, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;717292
Drivers (that may also be improved over time) for the on-board HW features of the hardware in question, of course, since this is what makes the OS run on that HW! This is what "supporting HW" usually means in an OS.

;)


Sorta like supporting built-in wifi with drivers. :roflmao:
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 03, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
Talking to religionists is waste of time. Better spend energy somewhere else.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Karlos on December 03, 2012, 09:34:42 PM
So, any chance of seeing MorphOS 3.x for classic?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: pampers on December 03, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Quote from: Karlos;717346
So, any chance of seeing MorphOS 3.x for classic?

No.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Kesa on December 03, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;717334
:confused:

What did that have to do with the discussion coming from Everblue's/Dammy's/Persia's posts? If you think they were talking about some unsupported controller on some motherboard, then you blatantly failed to understand. Here is an easier example for you then: If Acube would write OS4 drivers for Mac Mini (which they did, I have "Moana" here on my HDD), would that be the same thing as Hyperion supporting Mac Mini? Do you understand their point now?

;)


:confused:

Can you dumb it down a bit more? Thanks.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: eliyahu on December 04, 2012, 01:48:56 AM
@itix

is this effort being worked on by a single individual, or the entire team?  at what point can SAM owners expect to know what on-board hardware will be supported, such as audio via the SM502?  are there any plans to eventually support newer radeon HD video cards, or will R200-series cards be the main focus in the immediate future?

very much looking forward to seeing MOS on the SAM460ex!

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Tripitaka on December 04, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;717334
:confused:

What did that have to do with the discussion coming from Everblue's/Dammy's/Persia's posts? If you think they were talking about some unsupported controller on some motherboard, then you blatantly failed to understand. Here is an easier example for you then: If Acube would write OS4 drivers for Mac Mini (which they did, I have "Moana" here on my HDD), would that be the same thing as Hyperion supporting Mac Mini? Do you understand their point now?

;)


That would depend on the reasoning behind it. Strategic partnership too much of an effort to comprehend? Any driver written by Acube for OS4 is part of a strategic partnership from both companies, Acube wouldn't be writing jack for OS4 without the deal with Hyperion in the first place.

BTW, This isn't the first time you've made the effort to be blatantly insulting to me. Maybe I said something offensive to you in the past, if so, please let me know so we can resolve it. I am getting just a bit sick of the attitude I get whenever I reply to one of your posts and if there is any actual reason for it I would rather deal with it. If not, well....  ¯\(°_o)/¯   ....maybe therapy!?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Karlos on December 04, 2012, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: pampers;717352
No.


Well, I realise that's up to the team, but IMHO it's a shame.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: jj on December 04, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: Karlos;717466
Well, I realise that's up to the team, but IMHO it's a shame.

what MorphOS 1.4 30 minute limited not good enough for you karlos :)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Crumb on December 04, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: JJ;717474
what MorphOS 1.4 30 minute limited not good enough for you karlos :)

1.4.5 for classic is limited to 2 hours without keyfile, not 30 minutes.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 04, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;717394
@itix

is this effort being worked on by a single individual, or the entire team?


The entire team just like all hardware porting projects are.

Quote

at what point can SAM owners expect to know what on-board hardware will be supported, such as audio via the SM502?


I dont know. Better ask directly from Frank Mariak (pega-1) or Mark Olsen ('trollolol') at MZ when it is online again.

Integrated ethernet, SATA and USB ports must be supported or the board is useless.

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are there any plans to eventually support newer radeon HD video cards, or will R200-series cards be the main focus in the immediate future?


There are no plans to support newer Radeon HD cards in near future.

In the immediate future the main focus is on r200 and r300 series cards. I dont see point for newer Radeon HD cards because many Macs have built-in gfx card and gfx speed is not our bottleneck.

But... never say never. One step at a time.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on December 04, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Karlos;717466
Well, I realise that's up to the team, but IMHO it's a shame.


CSPPC and BPPC cards are hard to find these days.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Akiko on December 04, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: itix;717509
CSPPC and BPPC cards are hard to find these days.


Yes very hard to find for sale, but a lot are still in use and the reason why Amigakit commisioned AmigaOS 4.1 for Classics.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: nicholas on June 20, 2013, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: persia;717190
Best response from Hyperion would be to retaliate and make aOS 4.x available on old PPC Macs...


I wish they would port OS4 to Mac hardware, I can't understand why they won't do it.  The Pegasos 2 port proves they don't have to limit their hardware choices to only "certified" AmigaONE hardware.

It seems like they are cutting their nose off to spite their face. :(
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: nicholas on June 20, 2013, 07:45:06 PM
Quote from: Karlos;717346
So, any chance of seeing MorphOS 3.x for classic?


There are some updates for MOS 1.4.5 at http://morphos-team.net/downloads but I'm wondering how much of the userland components of MOS 3.2 one could copy from the installation CD to a MOS 1.4.5 installation without borking it totally?

Anyone here tried it?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: vox on March 14, 2014, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: itix;717508
The entire team just like all hardware porting projects are.

I dont know. Better ask directly from Frank Mariak (pega-1) or Mark Olsen ('trollolol') at MZ when it is online again.

Integrated ethernet, SATA and USB ports must be supported or the board is useless.

There are no plans to support newer Radeon HD cards in near future.

In the immediate future the main focus is on r200 and r300 series cards. I dont see point for newer Radeon HD cards because many Macs have built-in gfx card and gfx speed is not our bottleneck.

But... never say never. One step at a time.

Has this anyhow changed? Which gfx cards will be supported?
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on March 14, 2014, 11:25:15 PM
I can not comment more than what was shown and announced at Amiga Pianeta last year.

http://www.morphzone.info/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9691&post_id=107369&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1

It is not impossible but SAM460 first.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Iggy on March 14, 2014, 11:39:14 PM
@ itix

When did bigfoot become 'trollolol'?

@ everyone in general - lotta buzz for a port to an obscure, overpriced Italian motherboard
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on March 15, 2014, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Iggy;760762
@ itix

When did bigfoot become 'trollolol'?


He was using that nick (for a moment) on IRC :-)
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: skolman on March 15, 2014, 03:16:42 PM
Quote from: Crumb;717477
1.4.5 for classic is limited to 2 hours without keyfile, not 30 minutes.


Registration keyfile is free.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: spirantho on March 15, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Iggy;760762

@ everyone in general - lotta buzz for a port to an obscure, overpriced Italian motherboard


Reason being only one platform (the Peg-II) can currently run OS4 and MOS, and that's not available and somewhat limited (no RadeonHD, PCI/AGP only etc.). Having another machine which can be bought and which runs both can only be a good thing, in my opinion.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Iggy on March 15, 2014, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: spirantho;760802
Reason being only one platform (the Peg-II) can currently run OS4 and MOS, and that's not available and somewhat limited (no RadeonHD, PCI/AGP only etc.). Having another machine which can be bought and which runs both can only be a good thing, in my opinion.

Supporting the X5000 would be a better move, imho.
Future Sam460 availability is questionable.
Acube really needs to reconsider is processor choices.
Applied Micro CPUs are just too weak.
A 1.4 GHz e5500 cored T1020 would not significantly raise board costs, it would be faster, and dual core.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on March 15, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
Quote from: Iggy;760811
Supporting the X5000 would be a better move, imho.
Future Sam460 availability is questionable.


If there is enough demand ACube could produce another batch. If not available as new you can obtain few units from second hand market.

X5000 availability is more questionable. We dont know when it will be available and how long it will be available. At this moment it is easier to source second hand SAM460 than X5000 ;)

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Acube really needs to reconsider is processor choices.
Applied Micro CPUs are just too weak.
A 1.4 GHz e5500 cored T1020 would not significantly raise board costs, it would be faster, and dual core.


I dont know how successful ACube has been with their business plan but I believe they cant choose any random CPU. SAM is industrial product for industrial customers.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Iggy on March 15, 2014, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: itix;760813
I dont know how successful ACube has been with their business plan but I believe they cant choose any random CPU. SAM is industrial product for industrial customers.

Does Acube use a plan?
They seem devoted to using processors from one company who's product line is remarkably unimpressive.

I don't understand the logic in it. AMCC is much harder to deal with than Freescale Semi.

They must be getting these devices at a really low cost, which really highlights their extreme mark up.
Limited production numbers can only excuse so much.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: spirantho on March 15, 2014, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Iggy;760814
They must be getting these devices at a really low cost, which really highlights their extreme mark up.
Limited production numbers can only excuse so much.


Acube do not have a massive mark-up at all... component costs are only a small part of the production costs of boards like this

It's been a very long time since anyone got rich off the Amiga, unfortunately
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Iggy on March 15, 2014, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: spirantho;760817
Acube do not have a massive mark-up at all... component costs are only a small part of the production costs of boards like this

It's been a very long time since anyone got rich off the Amiga, unfortunately

Then at the volumes produced, Acube can't be earning much at all.
On gets the impression that A-eon and Acube do boards in really low volume (50 or so per run?).
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on March 15, 2014, 10:58:53 PM
Quote from: Iggy;760814
Does Acube use a plan?
They seem devoted to using processors from one company who's product line is remarkably unimpressive.


To Amiga/desktop user it is. My Mac Mini runs circles around it.

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They must be getting these devices at a really low cost, which really highlights their extreme mark up.


Maybe. Or maybe they have found a customer that just need it. There is UMTS/GSM module what certainly is not designed to Amiga market.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Iggy on March 15, 2014, 11:29:20 PM
Quote from: itix;760823
Or maybe they have found a customer that just need it. There is UMTS/GSM module what certainly is not designed to Amiga market.

Makes sense to me, an embedded application that would use a SAM in some kind of mobile application..

I'll stick with my G5s.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: vox on March 16, 2014, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: itix;760823
To Amiga/desktop user it is. My Mac Mini runs circles around it.

My PS3 slim runs circles around my lap PC, X1000 and MacMinis alltogether. Even just with 256MB RAM.

Point is mass produced items cant really compete to hobby produced boards in pricing at least. And MacMinis have their own limits. At least in AmigaOS 4 world well equipped SAM 440 is still enough. And gives less headaches then SAM460ex and X1000.

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Maybe. Or maybe they have found a customer that just need it. There is UMTS/GSM module what certainly is not designed to Amiga market.

That would mean some good heavy Linux support I have missed. Or some OS I am not aware of. There is no option to buy board without OS and Acube website.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: itix on March 16, 2014, 03:51:44 PM
Quote from: vox;760854
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There is UMTS/GSM module what certainly is not designed to Amiga market.
That would mean some good heavy Linux support I have missed. Or some OS I am not aware of.

Customers using it are probably going to write their own drivers. These kind of embedded things run software you cant buy from online stores.

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There is no option to buy board without OS and Acube website.

I am sure possible industrial customers can buy boards without OS4.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Rob on March 17, 2014, 03:32:12 AM
Quote from: Iggy;760821
Then at the volumes produced, Acube can't be earning much at all.
On gets the impression that A-eon and Acube do boards in really low volume (50 or so per run?).


I read somewhere that the lowest volume Acube will do is about 50 unit though I have no idea how many are in typical run.  I beleive that if some placed a minimum order they would still produce the original Sam440ep ITX version.
Various comment from Trevor suggest the lowest A-EON have done is about 100 or so.

So yes small numbers.
Title: Re: MorphOS for Sam460
Post by: Iggy on March 17, 2014, 02:10:55 PM
Quote from: Rob;760906
I read somewhere that the lowest volume Acube will do is about 50 unit though I have no idea how many are in typical run.  I beleive that if some placed a minimum order they would still produce the original Sam440ep ITX version.
Various comment from Trevor suggest the lowest A-EON have done is about 100 or so.

So yes small numbers
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And thus their pricing IS forgivable.
They are an asset to the community.
And I think Trevor is just enjoying the hell out of his work.