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Offline Tahoe

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2010, 10:25:28 AM »
Send me Michiel's contact details and I'll get a zip drive to him.
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Offline Gulliver

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2010, 10:35:05 AM »
@Tahoe
Thanks, I have just sent you a private message!
« Last Edit: May 04, 2010, 10:39:23 AM by Gulliver »
 

Offline Gulliver

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2010, 10:41:42 AM »
From:
"Michiel Pelt"
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> On the other hand, many people are intrigued by your PFS4. Do you have at least a draft of what was supposed to feature? It will be interesting to have any information regarding this filesystem.

PFS3 was a very modern and advanced filesystem for its time, not only
looking at the Amiga market, but at filesystems in general. Over the
years many of the ideas found in PFS3 have been incorporated in other
filesystems. PFS3 was one of the first to be atomic, now more have
this feature. Rollover files still seem to be unique to PFS3.

PFS3 was based on the original shareware PFS which was designed as a
floppy filesystem. A lot of changes have been made to make PFS work on
ever larger harddisks and the result was PFS3 which works pretty well.
The most recent Linux filesystems like Reiser4 surpass it though, but
there is one area where PFS3 remains king: the floppy or other
relatively small removable disks like ZIP, what it was originally
designed to work on.

PFS4 is a new design from the ground up. It takes the good things from
PFS3 and adds new ideas inspired by scientific papers and open source
filesystems like Reiser. Most notable improvements compared to PFS3
are
- B+ tree for directory structure which improves scalability and
handling of large directories.
- Redesign of the atomic commit feature.
- Automatic grouping of small files which results in both more
storagespace and better performance.
- Builtin automatic defragmentation and improved fragmentation prevention.

Note that PFS4 only exists on paper.

Best regards,

Michiel Pelt
 

Offline Gulliver

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2010, 11:45:22 PM »
Just to keep you all updated. AndreasM, the guy in charge of the Amiga Future magazine, asked me for the email of Michiel Pelt, which I gladly gave him.

What follows is a brief email update from Michiel:  


From:
"Michiel Pelt"
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Ignacio,

The full PFS3 will be available on the Amiga Future cover disk as is.
This will consist of the files directly taken from the original CD.

Best regards

Michiel Pelt
author of PFS3
 

Offline trip6

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2010, 12:43:11 AM »
What issue number of Amiga Future?

Quote from: Gulliver;561777
Just to keep you all updated. AndreasM, the guy in charge of the Amiga Future magazine, asked me for the email of Michiel Pelt, which I gladly gave him.

What follows is a brief email update from Michiel:  


From:
"Michiel Pelt"
Add sender to Contacts
To:
"Ignacio"

Ignacio,

The full PFS3 will be available on the Amiga Future cover disk as is.
This will consist of the files directly taken from the original CD.

Best regards

Michiel Pelt
author of PFS3
 

Offline whiteb

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2010, 01:13:30 AM »
YOU GOT TO BE JOKING ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all were under the belief this was to be released to the AMIGA COMMUNITY, starting with a version on AMINET, and it gets handed lock stock and barrel over to AmigaFuture ?

Joke right ?

Nice going Gulliver, you just allowed Andreas ToolBox to pull the rug out from underneath your feet.

You did the work, Andreas gets all the credit, and AF magazines sold, I credit you with the effort and work to get PFS released, but thats just *STUPID* to let Andreas steal it from you.

Oh god you have NO IDEA how ANGRY I am at you for allowing it to slip away to AF.  AF is COMMERCIAL, so much for releasing it to Public domain for NON COMMERCIAL purposes.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 01:26:10 AM by whiteb »
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Offline TheBilgeRat

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2010, 03:14:23 AM »
So... what exactly happened here?  and how does one get a subscription to the AF magazine?  The website is in broken german and I have no idea how to pay for a subscription.
 

Offline arnljot

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2010, 03:29:49 AM »
You can buy a subscription to AmigaFuture from amigakit.
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Offline whiteb

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2010, 03:38:39 AM »
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You can buy a subscription to AmigaFuture from amigakit.

You should not need to, according to the emails that Gulliver posted, it was to be posted as Public Domain to Aminet, And source Public Domain if supplied and used as NON COMMERCIAL.

Yet now the first thing we get, it has been commercialized to AmigaFuture.  Unless this is a first step by AndreasM to attempt to commercialize files intended for Aminet.  But of course, if it was released to Aminet *FIRST*, then people would not BUY AmigaFuture.., which after this PATHETIC move, I urge people NOT TO DO !

As it was the intention of the Author to release PFS in to Aminet BEFORE AndreasM got his GRIMY hands on it, I suggest a DUAL release, of AmigaFuture *AND* aminet AT THE SAME TIME.  I do not support the "Antics" of AndreasM, seems this has MOST CERTAINLY backed up what is being saying about him in the Amiga Community. (Supplying illegal Kickstart and Workbench images, for profit, and intimidates people for things he doers not even have ANY claim under copyright to).
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 03:54:20 AM by whiteb »
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Offline TheBilgeRat

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2010, 04:01:24 AM »
I'm mainly confused by the chronology.  AFAIK, it went :

1.  Gulliver emails old crusty developer asks for open source, gets answerin affirmative.
2.  Crusty developer (or CD) needs help getting source off old media, etc.  Which he gets.
3.  AF magazine asks Gulliver for contact info for CD (out of the blue?), which Gulliver gives out.
4. ????
5.  Gulliver gets reply that CD is now only distributing through AF magazine.


There seems to be  lot missing in this story, especially around the region 4 there...  I guess the inclination is that CD is getting paid by AF?  If so, why is that bad?  I realize he suggested he'd release it open source, but it ain't like the economy is really great, and amiga magazines were the way cool crap got distributed.  So, after heading over to Amigakit it looks like its 10 bucks a magazine, or 80 some for an annual subscription.  Hey, I'm all for open source, but I am also all for someone making some scratch off of their labor as well, even if he was gently reminded that something he did in the past has some demand.  I for one would like to hear more detail about what transpired before passing judgement.  I will also, though, most likely throw down my 10 dollars to encourage the man to "come back to the (amiga) light", as it were.
 

Offline whiteb

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2010, 04:11:31 AM »
I am Utter Pissed it went to Andreas of all people, KING of infringing copyright.., given the amount of kickstart/Workbench he has ILLEGALLY sold, and at least not compensated the copyright holders (Word is, Hundreds of THOUSANDS of Euro).

It was intended (as per the wording of the email) to release it to PUBLIC DOMAIN via Aminet.

We are NOT talking about exclusive rights to distribute on a Magazine here, once again, Andreas is looking to PROFIT from something that he SHOULD NOT. (He knows how people feel about him).  Maybe if ANDREAS had done all the initial contact, and discussing with regards to EXCLUSIVE release.  Gulliver did all the foot work (okay email work), and Andreas benefits from it ?

Okay, *WILL* Andreas be giving any royalty fee for copies of AF sold, to michael ?, has he in ANY way compensated the Author for distributing the software via a COMMERCIAL medium ?  Will Andreas be COMPENSATING GULLIVER for his time and effort to get the Author to be willing to release the software ?

Come Andreas, OUT WITH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But one thing, Michael (Pelt), I would keep an eye on Andreas if I were you, next he will be claiming he OWNS the copyright to PFS because it appeared in AF, and that he doesnt need to show us any contract, JUST his word (And you KNOW exactly what i mean Andreas!)
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 04:28:14 AM by whiteb »
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Offline modrobert

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2010, 04:37:26 AM »
I agree with whiteb here, and just want to add that scum who tries to profit from noble situations like this are about as low as you can get.
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Offline Tenacious

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2010, 04:42:36 AM »
Quote from: whiteb;561795
YOU GOT TO BE JOKING ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all were under the belief this was to be released to the AMIGA COMMUNITY, starting with a version on AMINET, and it gets handed lock stock and barrel over to AmigaFuture ?

Joke right ?

Nice going Gulliver, you just allowed Andreas ToolBox to pull the rug out from underneath your feet.

You did the work, Andreas gets all the credit, and AF magazines sold, I credit you with the effort and work to get PFS released, but thats just *STUPID* to let Andreas steal it from you.

Oh god you have NO IDEA how ANGRY I am at you for allowing it to slip away to AF.  AF is COMMERCIAL, so much for releasing it to Public domain for NON COMMERCIAL purposes.


It is unfair to put this on Gulliver.  It seems he acted in good faith for all of us.  How is he responsible for what the other two parties choose to do?
 

Offline whiteb

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2010, 04:56:00 AM »
Quote from: Tenacious;561829
It is unfair to put this on Gulliver.  It seems he acted in good faith for all of us.  How is he responsible for what the other two parties choose to do?


He did good by approaching the author, and that cannot be taken from him, but he then passed on AndreasM's details to Michael..

As I said, Andreas has the decency of a SKUNK, and now PFS ends up on the Skunk's masterpiece.  UNLESS, Andreas *HAS* compensated Mr Pelt for the honor, but going by AndreasM's history, probably not.

And i stand by my comment, I expect Andreas to then turn around and announce he owns the copyright, without actually legally acquiring it, and not producing PROOF (as he has done previously).

I apologize in advance for insulting skunk's with their portrayal with Andreas.
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Offline Tenacious

Re: PFS3 is soon to become free and opensource
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2010, 05:06:11 AM »
Thank you, Gulliver, for your efforts for our community and for your good intentions.  

Maybe this can still work out, but if not, I think you acted in good faith.  


Andreas has never been on my radar.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 05:11:05 AM by Tenacious »