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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: gertsy on April 26, 2013, 02:10:56 PM
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I see it but I don't believe it.
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And I assume it never caught on because nobody liked the interface back then either. :D
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+1
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And I assume it never caught on because nobody liked the interface back then either. :D
Ha!
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Fabulous! :)
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Oh, beautiful. Hahaha!
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IS that the quantum link interface?
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I guess CUSA can now sue Microsoft...
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That is awesome...
Maybe someone at microshaft is a c64 fan?
:)
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Best Thread Evar! :hat:
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We should thank MS for Windows 7. It is the best MS OS since XP.
As for Windows Vista and 8 I tried dragging them into the recycle bin and even the bin rejected them.
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I just can't help it...
The next Windows Tablet will be based on the Koala Pad.
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I just can't help it...
The next Windows Tablet will be based on the Koala Pad.
Everything old is new again.
There are no new ideas in the world, only new ways of making them.
A song and a quote.
I've just opened up my Microsoft Surface RT and the sound chip has the tiny letters SID written on it. I wonder what that means?
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IS that the quantum link interface?
Close, but I think it's a screen showing all 16 colors in blocks. I was thinking that I actually liked the old Q-Link screen. Not that I saw it for long as I spent most of my time in People Connection, occasionally hitting the files and messages.
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And I assume it never caught on because nobody liked the interface back then either. :D
Lol, I liked Windows 8 so much I bought a Mac - very glad I did too! :D
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Lol, I liked Windows 8 so much I bought a Mac - very glad I did too! :D
Macs are great whilst they work. Just wait for the crap to break. Then you will have to book an appointment with your Apple dealer for service.
Failures of my friend's iMacs
- HDD failure after 3 months
- DVD drive failure after copying 10 discs
I guess Apple has addressed the DVD failures by simply not including them in the new models! :laughing:
As for Windows 8 it is good to see that modern PC video chipsets are being put to good use on the start menu. NOT! If this is MS future direction they should bring back CGA graphic cards!!!
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There is a rumor circulating that the next release of Windows (8.1) will bring back the Start Menu. I'm watching for the preview to drop in my TechNet.
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I saw a TV ad for Windows 8 tonight, and they're making a special point to remind people that the traditional desktop is still there. I think Microsoft finally recognize that Metro is a dismal failure for non-tablets and are desperately trying to repair the damage.
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I saw a TV ad for Windows 8 tonight, and they're making a special point to remind people that the traditional desktop is still there. I think Microsoft finally recognize that Metro is a dismal failure for non-tablets and are desperately trying to repair the damage.
Shame. 95% of their customers could have told them that before the launch.
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It's still there, in a crippled, barely functional way. :(
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Shame. 95% of their customers could have told them that before the launch.
That's the really hilarious part of this whole debacle, they completely ignored the public outcry over this in the - what, year and a half leading up to release? - and it's taken them another half a year and adoption rates just over half of Vista's to finally get it through their heads that even a $1.5 BILLION advertising budget can't force people to like the New Way...and that's assuming that that rumor is even true...
Idiots.
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Just wait for the crap to break. Then you will have to book an appointment with your Apple dealer for service.
TBH my experience is the opposite, plenty of friends and family have bought mac's and are still using them 5 years later, cant say the same about PC's tho which seem to have a max useful life of 3 years tops!
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That's the really hilarious part of this whole debacle, they completely ignored the public outcry over this in the - what, year and a half leading up to release? - and it's taken them another half a year and adoption rates just over half of Vista's to finally get it through their heads that even a $1.5 BILLION advertising budget can't force people to like the New Way...and that's assuming that that rumor is even true...
Idiots.
Yup. My guess is that they used a pool of beta testers that was not representative of their end-users and that either:
a) said beta testers were fully dosed with the proverbial Microsoft Kool Aid and continually reported "ZOMG IS TEH BEST EVAR!!!!!1111"
or
b) said beta testers' criticism was ignored by management people who thought they knew better
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The W8 debacle can be lumped squarely on Sinofsky's shoulders. I'm firmly convinced he was the one that was betting the proverbial farm on the Metro (now Modern, or Windows Store) UI.
That being said, the desktop aspects of Win 8 work just fine, just re-add your start menu with an app and force to desktop upon boot and you'll never see the tinker toy block interface again.
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cant say the same about CHEAP PC's tho which seem to have a max useful life of 3 years tops!
FTFY. If you spend the right amount of money on a PC, you'll have a machine which will last several years. A $300 Wal*Mart or Best Buy special ain't gonna make it.
I build machines for around $1000 (and that's retail, I *do* make a profit, you know) which absolutely will last five years, and can even keep up with bloated software. Of course, that's when the warranties run out heheheheh
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I do have to admit, one thing that I read about Windows 8 that I thought was kinda cool is that programs can have Metro and desktop interfaces compiled into the same executable. With "dockable" tablets becoming popular, I could appreciate walking around using Metro and having my screen and running programs automatically flip into desktop mode when I got back to my desk. Something about that struck me as Amiga-like. In the UI Style Guide, Commodore encouraged developers to include Shell, Workbench/GUI, and ARexx interfaces in their programs, to allow users to work with whichever interface they felt most comfortable.
It was some time ago that I read about this feature for Windows 8, maybe even during the public beta. I don't know if it's still even true. It certainly doesn't seem to be widely promoted or encouraged.
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Prior Art!!!
I've read that the the Start button that is rumored to be in Windows 8.1 will be just a hotlink to the Start screen. Not really helping. The Start button could be so much better, I think if they made it context based. Only shortcuts to most used apps or/and user customizable. The OS would also be better off with a user select able tablet mode, desktop mode, and hybrid mode. Not every one has a touch screen, especially now.
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I do have to admit, one thing that I read about Windows 8 that I thought was kinda cool is that programs can have Metro and desktop interfaces compiled into the same executable. With "dockable" tablets becoming popular, I could appreciate walking around using Metro and having my screen and running programs automatically flip into desktop mode when I got back to my desk. Something about that struck me as Amiga-like. In the UI Style Guide, Commodore encouraged developers to include Shell, Workbench/GUI, and ARexx interfaces in their programs, to allow users to work with whichever interface they felt most comfortable.
It was some time ago that I read about this feature for Windows 8, maybe even during the public beta. I don't know if it's still even true. It certainly doesn't seem to be widely promoted or encouraged.
Using a Win 8 touch screen device I groan now when I have to go back to the desktop. I used to curse "Metro" when I first upgraded my PC. Mouse = Desktop. Touch = Modern UI. Having your settings backed up on windows live makes moving between devices a consistent bonus. It'd be sad if Microsoft dropped it for the unchangeable masses.
Dockable is so old hat. Bluetooth 3 or Wireless U. The way of the future. Add wireless charging and whammo. There's a part of me that thinks if Jobs was still about the new iPad would have these capabilities.
PS: The ZX Spectrum app is fun. Can't wait for the Amiga one.
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Prior Art!!!
....The Start button could be so much better, I think if they made it context based. Only shortcuts to most used apps or/and user customizable. The OS would also be better off with a user select able tablet mode, desktop mode, and hybrid mode. Not every one has a touch screen, especially now.
The recent apps start menu capability has been in place since Vista (2006).
The second I agree with. The mouse pointer in the corner "non touch' interface is frustrating at least when compared to swiping in from the borders.
But we're off subject.
I'm trying to upgrade my breadbox C64 but my 1541 just swallowed my Win 8 DVD and wont eject it.
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Problem is Microsoft assumed that most would upgrade their computer thus getting Windows 8. Reality is the economy sucks, slow growth. So, people are keeping with computers longer, maybe upgrading it. If they do buy, it'll be better spec'd than what they have but low end. So none of those wiz bang features you mentioned. Basically, an upgraded version of what they had that runs Windows 8. Though likely not much of an upgrade save for graphics as required by Metro. Hell, I ran the alpha and betas on a 10+ year old computer and it ran as well as 7 and XP on that machine. Vista, that was a pig and it really showed on that machine.
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FTFY. If you spend the right amount of money on a PC, you'll have a machine which will last several years. A $300 Wal*Mart or Best Buy special ain't gonna make it.
I build machines for around $1000 (and that's retail, I *do* make a profit, you know) which absolutely will last five years, and can even keep up with bloated software. Of course, that's when the warranties run out heheheheh
I used to build my own well equipped machines too, didnt make them last any longer.
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The recent apps start menu capability has been in place since Vista (2006).
For me, if Windows 8 had a Start button that was just that it would be prefect. The Charm bar has the rest. In Windows 7, you can kinda get that through the properties but you still end up with empty space on the right.
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I used to build my own well equipped machines too, didnt make them last any longer.
Works for me. Current rig is 7 years old. Upgraded the RAM and CPU a few years ago. Will be doing a big rebuild this August to take advantage of back to school sales. Cheaper than buying a new pre-made brandname rig that needs to be replace about every three years and better than a bargain cheapo rig that works for just now.
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I used to build my own well equipped machines too, didnt make them last any longer.
"Well-equiped" and quality don't always match up. My box is an Intel DQ965GBF with an X6700 Core2Quad, four 500GB Western Digital RAID Edition drives and a recent addition of an Intel 120GB SSD. All purchased from channel. Pretty much been running five years straight (with various pauses for moves, upgrades, or extended power-outages when the UPS runs down) without a single failure.
Aside from that, I'm proud that have numerous machines at customer sites which have run their five-year courses without problems.
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Im a former Mac & PC HW tech and Windows Server Admin so I know a thing or two about building a decent machine - it's not the HW that is the problem, it's the Windows OS and bloat filled software that is the issue! rebuilding you PC every 12-18months is just accepted norm and it really shouldn't be - on top of that almost every new WinOS version gobbles up more and more resources for no real gain!
Mac's dont have Registries to get filled up with sh!te and the dont suffer from DLL hell from every app installing their own bits of crap through out the Windows and System/32 folders.
99% of Mac software is 100% self contained and to remove it is as simple as deleting the icon from the apps folder. Extension all live in the Extensions folder so if one plays up it's very easy to troubleshoot. Most Mac software doesnt even have an installer as installing it is as simple as dragging it to the Applications folder - it's all very simple and just works.
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Im a former Mac & PC HW tech and Windows Server Admin so I know a thing or two about building a decent machine - it's not the HW that is the problem, it's the Windows OS and bloat filled software that is the issue! rebuilding you PC every 12-18months is just accepted norm and it really shouldn't be - on top of that almost every new WinOS version gobbles up more and more resources for no real gain!
Mac's dont have Registries to get filled up with sh!te and the dont suffer from DLL hell from every app installing their own bits of crap through out the Windows and System/32 folders.
99% of Mac software is 100% self contained and to remove it is as simple as deleting the icon from the apps folder. Extension all live in the Extensions folder so if one plays up it's very easy to troubleshoot. Most Mac software doesnt even have an installer as installing it is as simple as dragging it to the Applications folder - it's all very simple and just works.
Your credentials are impeccable. I am a current PC technician and server administrator, and have been doing so now for almost 20 years. I do not subscribe to your interpretation of the PC world. In a managed environment, rebuilding a workstation every year is absolutely NOT the norm and if I ever said that to any of my business customers they'd fire me on the spot for trying to bilk them of their money. I've found that in almost all cases it's shyt software and drivers, not Windows, which is largely responsible for problems or instances in which the only recovery is to re-load Windows. (Like your example of programs putting stuff in system32 where it doesn't belong or loading up crap in the registry.) In other cases it's corruption caused by shyt hardware.
Windows has a large installation foot print, for certain. The performance, however, does actually get better, even with the relative bloat of the DotNet platform. I've run Windows 7 and Windows 8 on machines formerly running Windows XP and both out-perform XP in most regards. Though Windows 8 ceased working on some of the older P4 machines as of the release of Customer Preview 2 as it requires NX support from the CPU and PAE support from the system itself.
I don't hold a lot of love for Windows, nor am I a Windows fan-boy or Microsoft apologist. I admire the relative ease of OSX and its approach to applications and user environment, for certain. In fact, the absolute easiest old-to-new computer migration I've ever done was on a Mac, moving a customer from an OS8 iMac to an OSX iMac. I had to dismantle the old machine because the release of OS8 was one revision to old to support direct Firewire transfer to the new machine, but once I connected that drive to the new iMac and ran the import wizard (or whatever the heck it is) the user's data and settings came over perfectly. No FAST or WET to muck about with and hope it works. While I was installing Office for Mac updates I decided to give the Bluetooth a drive until it got a little too friendly with my phone.
I admin Linux and Solaris servers, too, though I prefer the latter over the former by a long shot (until Oracle completely phuqs it up, that is.) Every OS has its place and purpose. Solaris (eh, and Linux, I guess) makes a great server and a fairly good desktop. Mac is great for most people who just want stuff to work* and never want to move too far outside of the box, not to mention the Mac walled garden is exceptionally easy for Apple to support as they're practically all the same. (I've considered Mac for my parents, but they love Windows 7 and never have problems so I'll just leave it alone.)
* Except for network printers which don't support PostScript, like Konica and Savin/Ricoh for which PS is an extra module to purchase.
In a small business, however, nothing beats Microsoft out-of-the-box, period. It's an expensive investment but it has everything needed in one integrated package, something you'd have to cobble together in other systems which try to emulate what Microsoft offers. Sure, I could offer Linux or Mac to my customers with a bunch of stuff crunched together to work, but that will not settle the issue of compatibility with Windows-based applications for which alternate OS versions do not exist. Not to mention when presented with the fact that only a couple of people around here would be able to support it if I died or get fired, that's just not a suitable option.
I'm retiring some Small Business Server 2003 servers this year which have been operational for six to eight years. (For the record: not my choice as I do like to replace server hardware when warranties run out.) They're still running just as good as the day I installed them.
I'd like to run in large enterprise environments where I can have Windows and Solaris machines (or AIX, HP-UX, or whatever) running in concert and harmony, but that's not the realm I work right now. And once I reach my higher aspirations none of that will matter, anyway.
It's late, I'm still writing a final paper, and have finals to review for the week, so this rambling thread hijack isn't a beneficial venture for me.
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Some very good points there but I'm not talking about corporate desktops (although the Amount bloatware HP makes us install on our corp laptops is truly obscene!), mainly I'm talking about consumer systems where a much broader range software and hardware gets installed and frigged with.
I'm not anti-windows by any stretch, I just prefer mac's as my main machine at home but I do run windows 7 on 2 machines still; a netbook that monitors my solar system and energy consumption and uploads it to PVO and a quad core PC, that lives in my garage with my server and comms gear, for occasional use via RDP.
I also run a hp microserver with whs2011 and stablebit drivepool plus twonky media server, sickbeard and sabnzbd amongst other things.
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Mac's dont have Registries to get filled up with sh!te and the dont suffer from DLL hell from every app installing their own bits of crap through out the Windows and System/32 folders.
MacOS does actually have it's own DLL hell issues, do a google for it.
MacOS doesn't have a registry, but apps do store their settings and other files on your hard drive in areas that don't get automatically deleted when you delete the application.
You can argue that the issues aren't as bad for various reasons, but the main reason is because MacOS isn't used in the same way as Windows. If MacOS and Windows changed placed then you'd get all the same bloatware and crap being installed on your Mac, but it's just not worth anyone's time right now.
You only have to look at how Apple touted that you didn't need virus protection because MacOS was secure. Well it wasn't, it was just that nobody was writing virus protection software because nobody could be bothered to write virus'. As soon as MacOS was the first to be taken out at pwn2own Apple had to actually admit there was a problem and start doing security audits.
You could just as easily argue that AROS was better because there hasn't been a single virus or malware for it. However without memory or access protection it's as vunerable as you can get.
Windows isn't perfect, but you can't say that an operating system is better than Windows if it's not actually meeting the same objectives as Windows. If another operating system meets your requirements and works in a way that you prefer then I'm happy for you, but I have very good reasons for staying with Windows (and up until 13 years ago I had only ever owned a commodore 64, amiga 500 & amiga 1200).