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Offline utri007

Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #14 from previous page: October 12, 2015, 01:28:52 PM »
There is still a 128gb limit with scsi.device?

Having a big hard drive with original 3.1 roms is pure luck, some drives doesn't work at all and some does.

As said you need to have 4gb or smaller boot partitio and after you have installed a OS, you need to patch scsi.device and fastFileSystem or use another filesystem.

As far as I know this is only scsi.device for standard A1200 ide wich works with any size hard drives.

http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/SCSI4345p

I have selfmade 1mb kickstart rom with that scsi.device and all possible filesystems.

This 400gb hard drive didn't work at all with 3.1 kickastart
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Offline paul1981

Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2015, 12:47:30 PM »
Quote from: utri007;797275
There is still a 128gb limit with scsi.device?

Having a big hard drive with original 3.1 roms is pure luck, some drives doesn't work at all and some does.

As said you need to have 4gb or smaller boot partitio and after you have installed a OS, you need to patch scsi.device and fastFileSystem or use another filesystem.

As far as I know this is only scsi.device for standard A1200 ide wich works with any size hard drives.

http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/SCSI4345p

I have selfmade 1mb kickstart rom with that scsi.device and all possible filesystems.

This 400gb hard drive didn't work at all with 3.1 kickastart


Boot partition must be no larger than 1.9GB unless you're running a physical custom Kickstart rom with an updated scsi.device. I don't know the specific exact capacity, but personally if you must have a large boot partition then 1GB should be much more than any Amiga could ever need and so I'd choose 1GB.
Years ago, my boot partition was 10MB in the 90's. Now days, I'd probably make it 256MB as it's a nice round number. :)

Even though you have a custom Kickstart rom, the danger is that you could be soft-kicking 2.0 or 3.0 which will not have the updated scsi.device, and you could find yourself trashing your boot partition if you write any data to it. My advice... Keep it at 1GB (or 1.9GB).
 

Offline utri007

Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2015, 01:59:09 PM »
My boot partition is 28gb :) I don't have any reason to softkick my amiga to previous kickstart. How ever BB1/BB2 scsi.device works, I forget to rename romupdates / add skipromupdates in first boot.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 02:01:17 PM by utri007 »
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Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2015, 02:03:18 PM »
All this everlasting nonsense support regarding large disks could be avoided if Cloanto could sell updated kickstart chips, and we could just tell everyone with a large disks to buy new kickstarts. I cannot fathom why this is not done!
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Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2015, 10:13:56 AM »
Quote from: utri007;797275


There is still a 128gb limit with scsi.device?



Was there ever such a limit? Never experienced it...

Quote from: utri007;797275


Having a big hard drive with original 3.1 roms is pure luck, some drives doesn't work at all and some does.



Hmmm - let me think a moment:
I have two Kick3.1-A500s with Viper520 accelerator boards. On the Vipers there are 2.5" 320 mB harddrives - so no 4gB/128gB problem at all.

Then there is the towered Kick3.1-A1200 with IDEfix and 40 gB HD - also no problems - neither with 4gB, nor with 128gB (obviously not with just 40gB HD). Exceeding the 4gB limit is made possible by the TD64 device from the IDEfix 97 disk.

Finally there is the A4000 in Micronik BigTower with UW-SCSI host Adapter on the CSPPC, where my HDs are connected to. The HDs are 160gB (IDE via ACARD IDE->UW-SCSI bridge) and 4.3gB. Also no 4gB/128gB problems due to PFS3.

So far every harddrive I ever connected to my Kickstart 3.1 Miggies worked flawlessly out of the box - be it mfm/rll harddrives, IDE harddrives (2.5." and 3.5"), SCSI-II harddrives or UW-SCSI harddrives...

Quote from: utri007;797275


...
As far as I know this is only scsi.device for standard A1200 ide wich works with any size hard drives.
...



Hmmm - AFAIR, during the construction phase of my A4k tower, I had the 160 gB drive initially connected to the internal IDE port and was running OS 3.1 before I installed OS 3.5 and later 3.9.
I cannot remember of having experienced any scsi.device related problems - neither with OS 3.1, nor with OS 3.5 or 3.9 ...

Quote from: utri007;797275


This 400gb hard drive didn't work at all with 3.1 kickastart



Hmmm - on my Kick 3.1 A4kPPC I even connected an external 1 tB HD via USB to it - and it worked flawlessly.
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Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2015, 10:23:57 AM »
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My boot partition is 28gb :)
...



:eek:
Why does your boot partition have to be THAT big?
Normally 10 m[/i]B should suffice for the OS...
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Offline paul1981

Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2015, 01:02:53 PM »
Quote from: Dandy;797424
Was there ever such a limit? Never experienced it...



Hmmm - let me think a moment:
I have two Kick3.1-A500s with Viper520 accelerator boards. On the Vipers there are 2.5" 320 mB harddrives - so no 4gB/128gB problem at all.

Then there is the towered Kick3.1-A1200 with IDEfix and 40 gB HD - also no problems - neither with 4gB, nor with 128gB (obviously not with just 40gB HD). Exceeding the 4gB limit is made possible by the TD64 device from the IDEfix 97 disk.

Finally there is the A4000 in Micronik BigTower with UW-SCSI host Adapter on the CSPPC, where my HDs are connected to. The HDs are 160gB (IDE via ACARD IDE->UW-SCSI bridge) and 4.3gB. Also no 4gB/128gB problems due to PFS3.

So far every harddrive I ever connected to my Kickstart 3.1 Miggies worked flawlessly out of the box - be it mfm/rll harddrives, IDE harddrives (2.5." and 3.5"), SCSI-II harddrives or UW-SCSI harddrives...



Hmmm - AFAIR, during the construction phase of my A4k tower, I had the 160 gB drive initially connected to the internal IDE port and was running OS 3.1 before I installed OS 3.5 and later 3.9.
I cannot remember of having experienced any scsi.device related problems - neither with OS 3.1, nor with OS 3.5 or 3.9 ...



Hmmm - on my Kick 3.1 A4kPPC I even connected an external 1 tB HD via USB to it - and it worked flawlessly.


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Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2015, 01:25:41 PM »
Quote from: kolla;797375
All this everlasting nonsense support regarding large disks could be avoided if Cloanto could sell updated kickstart chips, and we could just tell everyone with a large disks to buy new kickstarts. I cannot fathom why this is not done!
Just install IdeFix and be done with it.
 

Offline utri007

Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2015, 04:50:25 PM »
Here, all limits wich are from filesystem  and scsi.device.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=61666

There shouldn't be any way use or see over 128gb limit with original or bb1/bb2 scsi.device
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A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: How to use 160gb HD on Amiga 1200?
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2015, 11:48:20 PM »
Quote from: Thorham;797433
Just install IdeFix and be done with it.


I am not the problem here, I build my own kickstarts. The problem is the people who install large drives, constantly ask about this on forums, get a lot of confusing answers, mess around to get it right, somewhat randomly get it right eventually, only to mess up their filesystems later when booting without startup-sequence, or booting from floppy or whatever.
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