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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Blizzard 128 MB on September 09, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
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ACA 1232 50 MHz, upgraded from 33 MHz to 50 MHz.
33 MHz CPU removed, installed socket, and 50 MHz MC68030RC50C CPU.
Mini DIP switch installed into R1-R4.
Selectable 20, 25, 30, 33, 40, 50 MHz CPU freq..
Totally tested with A1200. 50 MHz mode stable, I tested with games, demos.
4 pics original 33 MHz condition.
R1-4 switch configuration, original not modified oscillator 20 MHz.
All off, RAM 2× = 40 MHz, CPU 20 MHz.
R2 on, RAM 2,5× = 50 MHz, CPU 25 MHz.
R3 on, RAM 3× = 60 MHz, CPU 30 MHz.
R1 on, RAM 3,33× = 66 MHz, CPU 33 MHz.
R2+4 on, RAM 4× = 80 MHz, CPU 40 MHz.
R1+4 on, RAM 5× = 100 MHz, CPU 50 MHz.
R4 on, RAM 5,33× = 106,6 MHz, CPU 53,3 MHz. Never try!
R2+3 on, RAM 6× = 120 MHz, CPU 60 MHz. Never try!
R1+3 on, RAM 8× = 160 Mhz, CPU 80 MHz. Never try!
Never try other 7 combinations (R1+2 on, etc.)!
With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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After the modification.
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50 MHz mode.
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40, 33,3, 30, 25, 20 MHz mode.
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315 Euro.
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315 Euro.
With the Vampire on the horizon ? Seems pricey to me.
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Not too expensive. Original 50 MHz version ACA1232 was 2015. nov-2016. jan. (not available) 300 Euro with soldered CPU. http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
Lot work CPU desoldering, socket soldering, 20-50 MHz testing, etc.
ACA1233n 40 MHz 240 Euro, expensive, FPU not supported.
Vampire on the horizon??? Haha.
The Vampire A600: http://www.apollo-accelerators.com/orders/index.php
"742 people wanting to be vampirized !"
The production of the Vampyre 600, primitive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDZnrWYYjY
Vampire A600 and 500 a emulated 68000 CPU in FPGA only. Not finished product.
Vampire A500 available min. in 2017-2018.
Vampire A1200 available min. in 2019-2020.
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With CPU 310 Euro, without CPU 260 Euro.
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The production of the Vampyre 600, primitive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDZnrWYYjY
And do you have video of your CPU desoldering and socket installation? Just to compare what is primitive and what is not.
Vampire A600 and 500 a emulated 68000 CPU in FPGA only. Not finished product.
Vampire 600 V1 and V2 are finished products (CPU card + RTG card + SD drive) and team is actively develop the cores for it.
Back to your card. Few months back I bought Blizzard 1230IV with 128 Megs and FPU for 200 EUR which is usual price these days. So for 120 EUR more people will get from you 2,5 MIPS faster CPU and they will have to invest for FPU socket and FPU chip in advance. Sorry it does not seem to be that attractive price even when I compare this to the newest ACA 1233-55 which I can get new one for 40 EUR more then your tuned ACA.
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310 Euro, without CPU 260 Euro.
Nice board. I don't understand the objection to the price. Its the fastest '30 upgrade available.
So it should be fast AND extremely compatible.
And w/o the processor (which can still be bought fairly cheaply) it seems like a bargain to me.
If cash wasn't in short supply here right now I'd snap it up.
The only disadvantage I see here is no 68882.
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Nice board, since it's a real 030 it's gonna just work. Having toyed with a Vampire even with the eventual price increase on the Vampire you can't ingone the value of a faster than 060 cpu (upgradeable no less) along with a Picasso96 card with hdmi out, and depending on the model decent IDE / SD storage.
I am eager to see the Amiga scene move away from old CPU's that are longer produced to FPGA solutions. I was skeptical at first, but I Can tell you the moment a Vampire drops for theA1200 I will be in there!
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Nice board. I don't understand the objection to the price. Its the fastest '30 upgrade available.
So it should be fast AND extremely compatible.
And w/o the processor (which can still be bought fairly cheaply) it seems like a bargain to me.
If cash wasn't in short supply here right now I'd snap it up.
The only disadvantage I see here is no 68882.
The ACA1232 @ 33MHz was approx. 165 euros brand new quite recently.
So lets say second hand with DIP switch installed and CPU socket soldered in, let's say it's worth 115 euros (remember, original CPU is not included in this sale).
Now, with the new 50 MHz rated CPU, add on 50 euros to above price, which brings us back to the original sale price.
With a CPU socket there'd be no room for a fan or heatsink (unless trapdoor removed).
Let's guess that the card may possibly be a good one as it's good for 50 MHz, so let's add 50 euros again. This brings us to 215 euros, WITH CPU, NOT WITHOUT. Also, I think Jen's latest cards are even faster per clock than the 1232. Is it the 1233n. I'd need to check but he has improved them.
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To jack-3d:
Blizzard 1230 cards made in 1994-1995, obsolete. Repair not easy. 128 MB RAM modules extreme expensive (Amibay 35 Euro!), why??? Real price 5 Euro. Dhrystone 8500-9000. CPU on 50 MHz hot.
ACA1232 made in 2012, repair easy, installed 128 MB RAM. Dhrystone 11478. FPU not possible, unnecessary, the Amiga programs 98% do not use the FPU. CPU on 50 MHz NOT hot. 1233-55 360 Euro (dhrystone 11747), minimal faster, than my 1232. CPU NOT socketed! This important!
To Iggy: Thanks.
To Chrom00: The developments progress into a bad direction. The 68000-68060 CPUs is available always yet. The FPGA cards (Vampire) is unnecessary.
Why did nobody build a modern new 68060 card yet???
The old Blizzard, Apollo 1260 cards made in 1996-98, min. 600 Euro. Why?
To Paul1981: I don't understand what are you talking about. 310 Euro with CPU, 260 Euro without CPU. The CPU+shipping min. 50 Euro from China, the 50 MHz 68030 the most expensive version, this is faster version!
The ACA 1233 cards too expensive. ACA1232 40 MHz in 2012 was 185 Euro, ACA1232 50 MHz in 2015 was 300 Euro, ACA1233 40 MHz in 2014 was 200 Euro, ACA1233n 40 MHz now 240 Euro. Why? 1233 and 1233n FPU not supported.
The best ACA card now the 1232-50.
The ACA1232-50 card will never be available. I prepared one, this rare!
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Apollo 1260 cards made in 1996-98, min. 600 Euro. Why?
Thank Jens. They can't be made anymore, and he doesn't seem to want to do '040 or '060 accelerators.
Personally, I don't know why no one has made a cheap 68EC060 or 68LC060 based accelerator.
Floating point calculations aren't used much and could be performed by a math library.
And those cpus will clock at 75 MHz or higher.
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Jens will not produce 68040, or 68060 card. This would demand a big investment. About 40000 Euro for development of the first working 68060 prototype card, and at least 800 CPUs for a mass-production. We're easily talking 600000 Euro investment here.
The new ACA 68060 50-100 MHz card would not be cheaper at the old B1260, Apollo 1260 cards, min. 600 Euro.
The last rev. 6 version 68060 50 MHz 71E41J (usable to 100 MHz) CPU 100-130 Euro. Why? Real price 20 Euro, made in 1997-2000(?).
New PPC card? Nothing. http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/blizzardppc
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Jens will not produce 68040, or 68060 card. This would demand a big investment. About 40000 Euro for development of the first working 68060 prototype card, and at least 800 CPUs for a mass-production. We're easily talking 600000 Euro investment here.
The new ACA 68060 50-100 MHz card would not be cheaper at the old B1260, Apollo 1260 cards, min. 600 Euro
All wrong : Jens purchased the Apollo 630, 1260, 3060 and 4060 rights more than ten years ago now...
He have all the logics, all the gerber files to produce new cards... With zero time developping ! Few years ago, 68060 rev6 were very cheap, about 25 euro...
But he choosed to start from the beginning, and with 68030, 68020 and 68000 outdated & low power boards...
His strategy is to reduce the Amiga to a retro game machine only, another form of destruction : we can do nothing serious today with these low frequencies...
He is FULLY AWARE of what he did these last ACA years, no excuse... Playing stupid won't work with me !
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Considering that ACA cards has same desing flaws than Apollo cards has, need for timing fixes, etc, I wouldn't be surpireced if ACA cars are actually Apollo cards. Jens however bought that desings years ago.
68030 is not a fast, it is bog slow. Anything below 68040 is painfull to use.
Most of 68040/60 targeted apps and games uses heavily FPU. Making 68040/60 accelerator without FPU is pointless.
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To Cosmos. Jens purchased right 1000% true?
Jens why does not produce 68060 cards to A600, A1200, A3000, A4000?
Jens why produces cheaper 68000-68030 cards only?
68060 71E41J in 2009-2011 was 25-30 Euro. Now why 120 Euro?
Jens may not use the old 68060 card informations, to modernize is needed for the current components. The new ACA1232, 1233 cards hardware and firmware not = old B1230, etc. cards hardware and firmware.
Why do you say that?
His strategy is to reduce the Amiga to a retro game machine only, another form of destruction : we can do nothing serious today with these low frequencies...
He is FULLY AWARE of what he did these last ACA years, no excuse... Playing stupid won't work with me !
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Min. 80% of the old turbocards went wrong already.
Onto the modern ACA cards big the demand. They sell the ACA cards expensively even now. ACA500 new price was 90 Euro, now 200-300 Euro. (Was 11. Sep. 2016. 268 Euro on ebay).
Jens fulfils the demand only.
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Considering that ACA cards has same desing flaws than Apollo cards has, need for timing fixes, etc, I wouldn't be surpireced if ACA cars are actually Apollo cards. Jens however bought that desings years ago.
68030 is not a fast, it is bog slow. Anything below 68040 is painfull to use.
Most of 68040/60 targeted apps and games uses heavily FPU. Making 68040/60 accelerator without FPU is pointless.
My ACA1232 on 20-50 MHz 100% work with my A1200 with E123C and E125C capacitors. The manufacturer not installed E121C and E122C.
http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
I am not shopping expensive 20 years old 68060 cards. My loss will be big, if goes wrong. 600 Euro unreal in 2016. If max. 350 Euro, OK.
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Please forget about Jens and his strategy of production. Its his way, he always sold out his ACAs, so people obviously buy his products and its win-win situation.
I personally dont buy ACAs because I am fully satisfied with phase5 products.
I still dont get the point of 1-3 MIPS difference between various 030 accelerators. Simply if I have 030 with 9,5 MIPS all classic games work just fine. Then tell me WHY do I need 030 with 12 MIPS?
=> classic games (WHDLOAD) will work the same
=> FPS and 3D games will be slow the same
Even when you could overclock 030 to 100 MHz (of course I know this is not possible) you get something about 20 MIPS => which is the power of 040/30 MHz
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Please forget about Jens and his strategy of production. Its his way, he always sold out his ACAs, so people obviously buy his products and its win-win situation.
I personally dont buy ACAs because I am fully satisfied with phase5 products.
I still dont get the point of 1-3 MIPS difference between various 030 accelerators. Simply if I have 030 with 9,5 MIPS all classic games work just fine. Then tell me WHY do I need 030 with 12 MIPS?
=> classic games (WHDLOAD) will work the same
=> FPS and 3D games will be slow the same
Even when you could overclock 030 to 100 MHz (of course I know this is not possible) you get something about 20 MIPS => which is the power of 040/30 MHz
I have Blizzard 1230 50 MHz, and ACA1232-50. I see the difference.
The 2. fastest card is my 1232-50.
Nobody will never produce new 68040, 68060 card.
My 1232 for long time will be rare.
Buying a 68060 card will be impossible already in 2020-2030.
My 1232 card will work yet.
The big part of the demos, games works well with the 68030/50 card without FPU.
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!
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The big part of the demos, games works well with the 68030/50 card without FPU.
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
With 68040 every 3D game, execpt quake is runs fast enough to be fun. Tinkering with OS is nice, when it is fast as flash no mattter what to do, icons, backdrop, patches, etc. Many apps has FPU support, making them much faster. With FBlit is possible to get smooth 640x512 resolution scrolling with apps and games.
The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!
You are right Sysinfo doesn't tell true, 68060 is 8x stronger than 68030 50mhz.
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The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!
SysInfo is a rubbish program for benchmarking.
68040 = 2x performance of 68030.
68060 = 2x performance of 68040.
Ergo, 68060 = 4x performance of 68030. But that's only in the loosest, loosest sense of the words.
Also, dhrystones sucks for benchmarking. I can alter the numbers significantly (MIPS, as well) just by loading different patches on an Amiga. Unless your systems are 100% identical, you're never going to get an accurate comparison.
Sorry, the poor English and grammar in this thread are making my head hurt. I'm out. :lol:
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Thank Jens. They can't be made anymore, and he doesn't seem to want to do '040 or '060 accelerators.
Personally, I don't know why no one has made a cheap 68EC060 or 68LC060 based accelerator.
Floating point calculations aren't used much and could be performed by a math library.
And those cpus will clock at 75 MHz or higher.
B1230 (200 Euro) components:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/gallery/blizzard1230mk4.jpg
B1260 (600 Euro) components:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/gallery/blizzard1260.jpg
Nothing gives reasons for the 3× difference in prices.
The component expense is not 3×.
The production cost is not 3×.
CPU price is not 3×.
It is possible to buy it expensively (500-600 Euro) then, if somebody will produce new 68060 card. The real production cost (68060) hardly more, than at the ACA1232 card.
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SysInfo is a rubbish program for benchmarking.
68040 = 2x performance of 68030.
68060 = 2x performance of 68040.
Ergo, 68060 = 4x performance of 68030. But that's only in the loosest, loosest sense of the words.
Also, dhrystones sucks for benchmarking. I can alter the numbers significantly (MIPS, as well) just by loading different patches on an Amiga. Unless your systems are 100% identical, you're never going to get an accurate comparison.
Sorry, the poor English and grammar in this thread are making my head hurt. I'm out. :lol:
Frontier 3D game 100% work with my 1232.
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
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....What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
hmm I'm hoping this comment was said (er typed) in jest;)
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Sorry, the poor English and grammar in this thread are making my head hurt. I'm out. :lol:
"Also, dhrystones sucks for benchmarking".
#pot #kettle #black. ;)
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The performance is not proportional to the sysinfo dhrystones directly.
B1230/50 9000 dhrystones, B1260 37000 dhrystones. The B1260 NOT 4× stronger, than B1230!
Hello Mr Blizzard. I thought we cleared this up last time. Please download the following program from aminet, and then run it on your ACA1232 set to 40 MHz via the DIP switch.
http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26 (http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26)
Run the low level CPU test and post your MIPS results here. You won't have MFLOPS as you don't have an FPU on your card. Also try the same thing with your Blizzard 1230 @ 50 MHz, post results here.
Here's my results with a 68060 at 80 MHz. Being as though my card is clocked at exactly double the speed of yours, we can make a good comparison. The memory on your ACA will actually be clocked at 80 MHz and mine 40 MHz, but it will still thrash your 030 cards by a rather large amount...
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/7060/1_IMG_3024.jpg)
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:roflmao:(http://www.amiga.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5305&d=1473415788)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/7060/1_IMG_2962.jpg)
We can draw a direct comparison here between the 68030 and 68040, both results obtained using the crappy Sys(mis)info. Again, you have no MFLOPS.
Your results for your ACA1232 @ 40MHz:
MIPS 9.57
Dhrystones 9176
My results with my Apollo 1240 @ 40MHz:
MIPS 30.5
Dhrystones 29226
The 68040 is therefore over 3x faster than the 68030. And in actual fact in reality it's much more than this because of the higher performing 68040 FPU which is vastly superior (faster) to the 68882 (if your card had one, but it doesn't). Lets see your MFLOPS for your Blizzard 1230 and you'll see what I mean. Conclusion? Rather simple, the 68040 eats 68030's and 68882's for breakfast!
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To Cosmos. Jens purchased right 1000% true?
Jens why does not produce 68060 cards to A600, A1200, A3000, A4000?
Jens why produces cheaper 68000-68030 cards only?
68060 71E41J in 2009-2011 was 25-30 Euro. Now why 120 Euro?
Jens may not use the old 68060 card informations, to modernize is needed for the current components. The new ACA1232, 1233 cards hardware and firmware not = old B1230, etc. cards hardware and firmware
Jens refuse to produce fast cards because this will "push up" the Amiga Classic...
He know the most important thing into a computer is the CPU : so, with a good and fast CPU (like the 060 at 100 Mhz), users will be able to use more softwares like Quake, Lightwave, Tornado, Warp3D, Mediator stuff...
He prefere the "push down", 020 cards without Fpu and Mmu, you can do only WHDLoad with that...
Jens had the choice in 2009-2011 : saving the Amiga Classic with new powerfull and cheap Apollo, or increase the infernal spiral of destruction with outdated cards...
I hate this guy, a true bad one for sure...
For the 68060 71E41J high price today, maybe the factory stopped production, so now only old stock is available...
And for the B1260 firmware : it's nothing to code, less than 2 hours, only some basic memory testing and Fpu disabling...
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I hate this guy, a true bad one for sure...
Approaching Godwin's Law reference in 3... 2... 1...
:laughing:
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Please forget about Jens and his strategy of production. Its his way, he always sold out his ACAs, so people obviously buy his products and its win-win situation
All wrong : with new Apollo 060@100, coders come back, new softwares for users... A new virtuous circle...
With 020 or 030 cards, nobody will come back with these craps...
All is over now, 060 are rare & expansive...
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Jens refuse to produce fast cards because this will "push up" the Amiga Classic...
Another conspiracy theory?
The reason is really quite simple: 68040 and 68060 are already hard to get on the market, many fakes are sold, and Jens has currently simply more knowledge in the 68030 area - concerning the CPU bus - than the 68040 or 68060.
The difference is that the 68030 (and 68020) have a "scalable bus", i.e. the CPU is able to generate byte, word and long word accesses. The 68040 and 68060 are different, you need additional glue logic to connect the CPU to the classic Amiga bus (which is more or less a 16 bit 68000 bus), and hence, additional components need to be designed and tested.
For the 68060 71E41J high price today, maybe the factory stopped production, so now only old stock is available...
Not "maybe", but "definitely". They are no longer made.
And for the B1260 firmware : it's nothing to code, less than 2 hours, only some basic memory testing and Fpu disabling...
*That* part is really trivial.
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I never said that my 1232 card is faster, than the B1260 50, or 80 MHz.
This the question:
What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
Answers?
Enough are the 68030/50 for the normal Amiga users, whdload games, demos, etc.
I do not want to argue. I want to sell my 1232-50 only. The price is real.
The quantity of the old 68040-68060 cards decreases + new 68040-68060 cards are never being made + Vampire all cards dead end = the value of the old and ACA 68030 cards increases. The process is unstoppable.
In 2008. Blizzard 1230+68882/50 was 100 Euro, in 2016 250-300 Euro.
2016. May 15. B1230 MK4 030/50, no FPU, 16 MB was 219 Euro.
2016. June 12. B1230 MK4 030/50 + 882/50 + 16 MB was 280 Euro.
2016. July 24. B1230 MK3 030/50, no FPU, 16 MB was 200 Euro.
2016. Sept. 10. B1230 MK4 030/50, no FPU, 4 MB was 180 GBP = 210 Euro.
2016. Sept. 11. B1230 MK4 030/50 + 882/50 + 32 MB was 251 Euro.
2015. June 5. ACA1232/25 was 183 Euro.
2016. June 4. ACA1233/40 + 68882/50 + RTC was 260 USD = 230 Euro.
2016. June 7. ACA1233 030/40 + 68882/50 was 270 Euro.
Etc.
Will not be new 68060 75-100 MHz, 128 MB cards (to A1200 max. 300 Euro), while somebody does not extort the production (from Jens, etc.). The chance is small.
ACA1221EC (120-130 Euro) 68020 28 MHz 16 MB enough to Amiga 500 with ACA500plus (130 Euro). 250 Euro only. A500 + 68030/50 unnecessary.
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What can you do with the 68060/50 card (with FPU), which you cannot make with the 68030/50 card?
If you are only into gaming, then this does indeed not help much. Actually, the reverse. The 68030 is a much more forgiving processor than the 68040 or 68060. The 68030 can run "blank" (or almost), the 68040 or 68060 need software support and MMU support. It is much harder to keep badly written programs running on 68060 than on the 68030, or games that cannot load the software support packages (aka 68040 or 68060.library).
Answers?
If you are in programming or software development, then it does make a difference whether a longer project compiles in ten minutes or two.
Also, if you want to run Magic64, then a 68060 is definitely helpful for good performance. If you want to run Mac classic software, a 68040 is probably the most compatible option.
I do not know much icomp currently charges for a new ACA, but you should probably state whether there is still any warranty on the card. This is quite important for the price point as well. For me, it seems to be quite heavy for a pre-owned card, likely without any warranty.
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If you are only into gaming, then this does indeed not help much. Actually, the reverse. The 68030 is a much more forgiving processor than the 68040 or 68060. The 68030 can run "blank" (or almost), the 68040 or 68060 need software support and MMU support. It is much harder to keep badly written programs running on 68060 than on the 68030, or games that cannot load the software support packages (aka 68040 or 68060.library).
If you are in programming or software development, then it does make a difference whether a longer project compiles in ten minutes or two.
Also, if you want to run Magic64, then a 68060 is definitely helpful for good performance. If you want to run Mac classic software, a 68040 is probably the most compatible option.
I've had quite a few demos that crawled on my 030 (or didn't run at all) but ran smoothly on my 060, any 3D dwg program (i.e Lightwave, Alladin etc.) is like night and day from 030 to 060, newer (mid-late 90s) games & Nova's ports :) need a faster CPU to make them playable.
Basically I love my 030@50 since it's the most forgiving for older classic games and WHDLoad but to compare it performance wise to my CS-MKIII 060@50 or my Apollo 060@50, both not overclocked, is just ridiculous
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Any tampering with the card voids warranty. The card could even be 4 years old anyway.
And Blizzard, why do you say that most of the old cards are faulty? Where do get your information from?
When do I get to see your SysSpeed results?
Also, FPU makes a monumental difference in 3D rendering. Some audio software requires an FPU, and some graphical software. Also some games too. For general use you can get away with an 030 system, but if you want to experience the Rolls-Royce of Amiga you'll use an 040/060 and it's hard to go back. It all comes down to an individual's use case.
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With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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Another conspiracy theory?
The ONLY WAY to save the Amiga Classic is to put Jens (and some other...) in jail or he will continue to destroy everything...
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Tar & feather him! Ride him out on a rail! Get the pitchforks! :roflmao:
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Tar & feather him! Ride him out on a rail! Get the pitchforks! :roflmao:
That's a bit extreme Mike, he has lowered the price now...
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Not a fan of his cards after attempting to repair an ACA500 over the last few weeks. Its not the card itself I have an issue with, but the parts chosen to build them. All of the chips used are very very old versions of the chips. I had a hell of a time finding any to replace. When I did I had to buy them all. Worse is they are the lower versions of many of the chips that even when new were slower than what you can get for pennies more. An example is the LS245's he used, in a package size no longer produced. You can get them in the larger package which is what I had to do and bend the pins in to hot air solder them in using solder paste and a custom mask to lay it down. I bought 50 to replace 2 on the board. It was $12 for them, but I could have bought an F245 if he used it for 6 cents in the proper size.
This is also why his boards sell out and dont get produced any more, the parts to make them are gone or in to low of a quantity to support required warranties if they were.
Just my experience, how true I dont know, but I've seen it a lot now.
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That's a bit extreme Mike, he has lowered the price now...
:laughing:
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With the Vampire on the horizon ? Seems pricey to me.
vampire is %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! , virtual %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!
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The ONLY WAY to save the Amiga Classic is to put Jens (and some other...) in jail or he will continue to destroy everything...
why stop there, put all who sell overpriced Amiga stuff in jail..
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why stop there, put all who sell overpriced Amiga stuff in jail..
Clearly the only overpriced Amiga stuff is the stuff that doesn't sell.
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Clearly the only overpriced Amiga stuff is the stuff that doesn't sell.
My 1232/20-50 MHz card NOT overpriced! 300 Euro real price.
Original 1232-50 was 300 Euro. Limited edition, starting mid-November 2015, ending Dec..
Altogether only 10-20 1232-50 cards exist! I prepared one yet. This is a curio!
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My 1232/20-50 MHz card NOT overpriced! 300 Euro real price.
Put it on ebay.
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Put it on ebay.
Ebay noooo. If I advertise on ebay 250 Euro, then ebay final value fee 30 USD (27 Euro), paypal fee 13 Euro. 27+13=40 Euro. 250-40=210 Euro, too little.
Ebay price min. 340-350 Euro minus fees = remain 300 Euro. Min. price 300 Euro.
350 Euro buy it now price = impossible. Nobody pays this much.
If I advertise 1 Euro, then final price 150-200 Euro, too little.
Original new ACA1233-55 360 Euro.
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I think it'll sell on eBay at 350 euros, honestly. It wouldn't hurt to try.
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Ebay noooo. If I advertise on ebay 250 %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;, then ebay final value fee 30 USD (27 Euro), paypal fee 13 Euro. 27+13=40 Euro. 250-40=210 Euro, too little.
Ebay price min. 340-350 Euro minus fees = remain 300 Euro. Min. price 300 Euro.
350 Euro buy it now price = impossible. Nobody pays this much.
If I advertise 1 Euro, then final price 150-200 Euro, too little.
Omg.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/894/wahmbulance.jpg)
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I think it'll sell on eBay at 350 euros, honestly. It wouldn't hurt to try.
Original new ACA1233-55 360 Euro.
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Original new ACA1233-55 360 Euro.
A tenner off then, they ought to be pleased. :)
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ebay noooo. If i advertise on ebay 250 %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;, then ebay final value fee 30 usd (27 euro), paypal fee 13 euro. 27+13=40 euro. 250-40=210 euro, too little.
ebay price min. 340-350 euro minus fees = remain 300 euro. Min. Price 300 euro.
350 euro buy it now price = impossible. Nobody pays this much.
If i advertise 1 euro, then final price 150-200 euro, too little.
If your fear from selling on ebay is to get "only" 150-200 EUR for your aca1232. then that is the market price.
Why are you trying to inflate price................?
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If your fear from selling on ebay is to get "only" 150-200 EUR for your aca1232. then that is the market price.
Why are you trying to inflate price................?
Inflate price? Where?
My 1232/20-50 MHz card NOT overpriced! 300 Euro real price.
Original 1232-50 was 300 Euro. http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
Limited edition, starting mid-November 2015, ending Dec..
Altogether only 10-20 1232-50 cards exist! I prepared one yet. This is a curio!
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My 1232/20-50 MHz card NOT overpriced! 300 Euro real price.
Original 1232-50 was 300 Euro. http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
You complain that things are overpriced, then you overprice the heck out of your own stuff. You can't have it both ways, buddy. :rant:
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You complain that things are overpriced, then you overprice the heck out of your own stuff. You can't have it both ways, buddy. :rant:
Isnt that the life of a car seller?
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You complain that things are overpriced, then you overprice the heck out of your own stuff. You can't have it both ways, buddy. :rant:
I don't understand.
The obsolete Blizzard 1230 MK4 329 and 349 Euro (Sept. 10 and 17 ebay.de) without FPU not overpriced? This right? Why? This not overpriced? My 1232 300 Euro overpriced? Why?
The B1230 50 MHz slower, than my card. Sysinfo 8200-9000, my 1232 50 MHz 11478!
May other sellers sell the old Blizzard products expensively?
Why may I not sell my 1232 card at a real price?
If B1230 350 Euro, then my 1232-50 min. 450 Euro!
My 1232 cheap.
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my 1232-50 min. 450 Euro!
Fine. Put it on ebay for that price and see if it sells. This is a ridiculous conversation. :angry:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/70/89/cd/7089cd0d74670907173f895068982736.jpg)
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It's like trying to argue with a teenager Mike .. forget about it :laughing:
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I don't understand.
The obsolete Blizzard 1230 MK4 329 and 349 Euro (Sept. 10 and 17 ebay.de) without FPU not overpriced? This right? Why? This not overpriced? My 1232 300 Euro overpriced? Why?
The B1230 50 MHz slower, than my card. Sysinfo 8200-9000, my 1232 50 MHz 11478!
May other sellers sell the old Blizzard products expensively?
Why may I not sell my 1232 card at a real price?
If B1230 350 Euro, then my 1232-50 min. 450 Euro!
My 1232 cheap.
Those Blizzards on ebay.de were overpriced by 150 euros, but like I said, overpricing still sells when it comes down to collectors getting exactly what they want. You want top dollar for your card yes? eBay will be your best bet.
Have you installed SysSpeed yet?
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All of the versions of the Vampire 2 will be expensive.
Sept. 19. news, A600 version new price min. 250 Euro.
The A500 version will be more expensive.
First A500 version on ebay.com 465 USD now.
A1200 version price?
My 1232 cheap.
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
if you want to avoid the extra costs of EBay then put your card on AmiBay, state your price and if it sells you avoid the cost and hassle of EBay.
Many people including myself have bought & sold with no issues there and personally i prefer to buy from fellow amigans and not EBay profiteers.
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
if you want to avoid the extra costs of EBay then put your card on AmiBay, state your price and if it sells you avoid the cost and hassle of EBay.
Many people including myself have bought & sold with no issues there and personally i prefer to buy from fellow amigans and not EBay profiteers.
Amibay not OK. Too many are the rule. Amibay rules = manure.
Prohibited to raise the price, ebay linking, ebay price write, etc.. "Declare to interest" rule. If I am not the 1. customer, shopping impossible. Because of a little irregularity banned users. The moderators interfere in everything. It is possible to do nothing, only what the moderators allow. The moderators broke their own rules.
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There's a real ACA1232 @ 50MHz on Amibay at the moment...280 euros.
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There's a real ACA1232 @ 50MHz on Amibay at the moment...280 euros.
I saw. Starting price was 300 Euro in July 9.
I do not understand the buyers. The original 1232-50 product was available until a short time last year, all of them were taken away quickly. Sure wanted yet to have bought some men, but did not can.
Where are the buyers? The 1232-50 best price/value proportion product.
Obsolete B1230 250-350 Euro, slow 1233n/40 240 Euro, B1240+Apollo 1240 450 Euro, B1260, Apollo 1260 550-700 Euro, BPPC 1000+ Euro, Blizzard SCSI kit 150-200 Euro, 128 MB EDO RAM 60 Euro, etc.
1232 128 MB, all Apollo card max. RAM 8-64 MB, B1230 MK1-3 max. 32-64 MB, B1230 MK4 only handle 128 MB.
B1240, 1260 128 MB, PPC 256 MB.
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
You can ask for any price you want. But you will never get more than the buyers are willing to pay. Regardless of what you think it is worth....
When are you going to realize it?
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
You can ask for any price you want. But you will never get more than the buyers are willing to pay. Regardless of what you think it is worth....
When are you going to realize it?
The real prices change between wide borders. I wrote some prices already.
Look: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=814199&postcount=58
If they sold B1230 300-350 Euro, then my 1232/50 300 Euro not too expensive.
I do not give it more cheaply. I did not work free.
The 33 MHz 1232 + shipping + 50 MHz CPU + shipping + socket + shipping + my (de)soldering + testing + photo + etc. work = min. 300 Euro.
I have to obtain the suitable money for my work.
The icomp will never produce 1232/50 product longer!!
The new ACA1233n, etc. card 50 MHz 68030 CPU clock with oscillator change, etc. impossible!
All ACA1233n oscillator 80 MHz.
40 MHz CPU version = 80/2=40 MHz CPU freq. The RAM work on 80 MHz.
26 MHz CPU version = 80/3=26,6 MHz CPU freq. The RAM work on 80 MHz.
CPU speed up impossible, 40 MHz version oscillator change to 100 MHz, because RAM not work on 100 MHz. (If CPU 50 MHz, then RAM 100 MHz.)
If 26 MHz version card oscillator change to 100 MHz, then CPU freq. 33,3 MHz only. The 1/3 (40 MHz version 1/2) divide fix, cannot be modified!
At 26 MHz version if CPU 50 MHz, RAM 150 MHz, this impossible.
The ACA1233n 26 MHz was 160 Euro on Sept. 10-15, now 170 Euro.
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I have to obtain the suitable money for my work.
Go tell that to Kipper2k. :(
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Sorry just have to chime in. I think the problem is English. How could something be overpriced if it sells? Clearly that is the essence of the meaning of "over priced". Priced too high to sell. People are confusing their personal view of what they would be willing to pay with the price at which something is offered. Two different things. Economics 101.
Having a view on something doesn't make it right:"I wouldn't pay that much", "I think that's way too expensive", "wow, way out of my budget". Would be appropriate.
It's human nature to justify our own views as the norm, and then to blame the other party when they are called out.
Logic dictates something is not overpriced if it sells.
Are you buying my point, or is it overpriced?
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yes, it can be overpriced. just because some rich bi*ch decided to burn some money, don't mean its not overpriced.
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Go tell that to Kipper2k. :(
I am not a dealer. I want to obtain the real price for the product.
I know the prices, the old and new(er) products. Not overpriced my product.
They sold obsolete, old, slower products more expensively (B1230 300-350 Euro). This is a fact.
You pick out 1 sentence, and you provoke.
If you do not want to shop, to provoke want only, then do not write more to me.
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Sorry just have to chime in. I think the problem is English. How could something be overpriced if it sells? Clearly that is the essence of the meaning of "over priced". Priced too high to sell. People are confusing their personal view of what they would be willing to pay with the price at which something is offered. Two different things. Economics 101.
Having a view on something doesn't make it right:"I wouldn't pay that much", "I think that's way too expensive", "wow, way out of my budget". Would be appropriate.
It's human nature to justify our own views as the norm, and then to blame the other party when they are called out.
Logic dictates something is not overpriced if it sells.
Are you buying my point, or is it overpriced?
My 1232 not overpriced. If I advertise it for 500 Euro, then overpriced, 68040 25-40 MHz cards 400-500 Euro, 68060 50-80 MHz cards 600 Euro.
The buyers paid much money (2-5× real price!) for many products already (on ebay, etc.). I saw lot unreal prices.
-- ACA500 200-300 Euro (ebay.de (http://ebay.de), original price was 80-90 Euro).
-- Vampire V2 600 472 Euro on Sept. 18., 700 Euro on Sept. 13., 825 Euro with A600 on aug. 14. (ebay, original price 150 Euro).
-- C64 reloaded motherboard 300-700 Euro (original price 160 Euro).
Etc.
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yes, it can be overpriced. just because some rich bi*ch decided to burn some money, don't mean its not overpriced.
Clearly it does mean it's not overpriced. If someone paid the price.
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I know the prices, the old and new(er) products. Not overpriced my product.
That's nice. You stated that your card was worth 450 EUR. Has it sold yet? Can we merge this thread with the crazy ebay listings one? :laughing: :laughing:
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My 1232 not overpriced. If I advertise it for 500 Euro, then overpriced, 68040 25-40 MHz cards 400-500 Euro, 68060 50-80 MHz cards 600 Euro.
The buyers paid much money (2-5× real price!) for many products already (on ebay, etc.). I saw lot unreal prices.
-- ACA500 200-300 Euro (ebay.de (http://ebay.de), original price was 80-90 Euro).
-- Vampire V2 600 472 Euro on Sept. 18., 700 Euro on Sept. 13., 825 Euro with A600 on aug. 14. (ebay, original price 150 Euro).
-- C64 reloaded motherboard 300-700 Euro (original price 160 Euro).
Etc.
Just for the fun of it....:biglaugh:
Since you clearly are selling a product made and developed by someone else, do you have license to do so at retail pricing?
Please enclose a valid certificate containing your copyrights licensing to retail these products.....
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Why you want to buy a rare product cheaply?
Why wants to buy everybody a rare product cheaply?
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Why you want to buy a rare product cheaply?
Why wants to buy everybody a rare product cheaply?
To be clear : is your card overpriced or not ?
???
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To be clear : is your card overpriced or not ?
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Not. With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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Not. With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
:roflmao:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
:roflmao:
I proved with lot information that the price is real. Read the topic.
ACA1232-50 original price in 2015 Nov-Dec. was 300 Euro, limited edition, etc..
http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
"ACA1232-50 299,94 EUR limited edition, starting mid-November 2015"
If buyer sold 50 MHz CPU (50 Euro), and switch to 40 MHz mode (I tested, 33 MHz CPU work on 40 MHz), then 300-50=250 Euro = 40 MHz 1232.
The new 1233n 40 MHz price 240 Euro, but this NOT upgradeable to 50 MHz, and CPU NOT socketed.
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rly.. isnt there anything better to do than discuss or bash someones offfer? either there is interest or there isnt. funny, the tread keeps popping up right into my face every time i navigate to aorg lately.. boring..
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I don't know. This is certainly good advertising for Mr Blizzard anyway. I've been tempted to buy it myself on a couple of occasions.
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I proved with lot information that the price is real. Read the topic.
ACA1232-50 original price in 2015 Nov-Dec. was 300 Euro, limited edition, etc..
http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
"ACA1232-50 299,94 EUR limited edition, starting mid-November 2015"
If buyer sold 50 MHz CPU (50 Euro), and switch to 40 MHz mode (I tested, 33 MHz CPU work on 40 MHz), then 300-50=250 Euro = 40 MHz 1232.
The new 1233n 40 MHz price 240 Euro, but this NOT upgradeable to 50 MHz, and CPU NOT socketed.
We wanna understand : your card is a little bit overpriced or a lot of overpriced ?
???
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Best to stop this pointless chatter.
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With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro + shipping, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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The card you have pictures of is made in 2012. That means its initial purchase date is somewhat later than 2012. This means that in some European countries there are actually still warranty attached to the card.
In Norway there is a by law a 5 year warrant period from initial purchase date.
What are your arrangements with Individual computer regarding warranty claims?
Since you take a reasonably new item and tinker with it, and claim full retail price. And even surpass retail pricing of a product-line that is still being made and sold in retail stores.
There sure must be some sort of arrangement.....
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The card you have pictures of is made in 2012. That means its initial purchase date is somewhat later than 2012. This means that in some European countries there are actually still warranty attached to the card.
In Norway there is a by law a 5 year warrant period from initial purchase date.
What are your arrangements with Individual computer regarding warranty claims?
Since you take a reasonably new item and tinker with it, and claim full retail price. And even surpass retail pricing of a product-line that is still being made and sold in retail stores.
There sure must be some sort of arrangement.....
What do you want?
The card is mine. I may make anything with the card.
Do not write more, if you do not want to shop.
I need only 1 customer.
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What do you want?
I want an actual answer to my question......
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Run this http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26
My ques is that 68060 50mhz is 6-8x faster than 68030 50mhz
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Run this http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26
My ques is that 68060 50mhz is 6-8x faster than 68030 50mhz
And? Why do you compare the 68060/50 card to my 1232/50 card? You compare an apple to a pear, or a Volkswagen to a BMW. Meaningless.
No sysspeed. Onto an average use suitable my card. 68060/50-100 MHz unnecessary. The WinUAE free.
To everybody: All important information can be found in the 1. message. Not my duty to answer all messages. Nobody wants to shop, then why you write here?
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And? Why do you compare the 68060/50 card to my 1232/50 card? You compare an apple to a pear, or a Volkswagen to a BMW. Meaningless.
No sysspeed. Onto an average use suitable my card. 68060/50-100 MHz unnecessary. The WinUAE free.
To everybody: All important information can be found in the 1. message. Not my duty to answer all messages. Nobody wants to shop, then why you write here?
VW's are great cars...BMW's are also great cars. Hmm.... I see what you mean now, they're both great cards.
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VW's are great cars...BMW's are also great cars.
No thanks, I'll keep my truck. :lol:
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The card you have pictures of is made in 2012. That means its initial purchase date is somewhat later than 2012. This means that in some European countries there are actually still warranty attached to the card.
In Norway there is a by law a 5 year warrant period from initial purchase date.
As far as I understand, the CPU on the card has been exchanged by a faster CPU, and hence the card has been modified. IOWs, the warranty is void.
I don't see a problem selling a pre-owned card with a modified CPU. If the buyer wants such a card, go ahead. If the card sells for the price... well, go ahead. I just have a personal opinion on the price point, especially in comparison to existing *new* cards with similar specifications that sell *with warranty* for a comparable or lower price.
That all does not mean that the card might not be sold for this price... As a buyer I should probably check for better offers of new hardware first. If I don't... well, my own fault. I just don't want to advocate such business.
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Price is one thing, I wouldn't comment anyones asked price.
Another thing is that he said that 68060 is not 4x faster, it is much less. That made some comments here.
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As far as I understand, the CPU on the card has been exchanged by a faster CPU, and hence the card has been modified. IOWs, the warranty is void.
I don't see a problem selling a pre-owned card with a modified CPU. If the buyer wants such a card, go ahead. If the card sells for the price... well, go ahead. I just have a personal opinion on the price point, especially in comparison to existing *new* cards with similar specifications that sell *with warranty* for a comparable or lower price.
That all does not mean that the card might not be sold for this price... As a buyer I should probably check for better offers of new hardware first. If I don't... well, my own fault. I just don't want to advocate such business.
I have great complaints when someone takes a product that is being retailed, modify it and ask for a pricing higher than the retail price is.
And in the process dropping all warranties.
If it was an aging old blizzard or an Apollo, i could not care less.... but the aca's are still being made and they sell with warranties.
However, i also have complaints about Individual for not making and selling 50Mhz versions them self...
OOh... and as he comments the pricing if he puts it on ebay. he is aware of the actual value of the card. and still he tries to push an insane pricing on the market.....
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Made in 2012, was 2 year warranty. There is not guarantee, if I do not modify it already. I modified, because was not guarantee already.
With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro + shipping, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?86750-ACA1232-50mHz-Limited-Edition
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http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?86750-ACA1232-50mHz-Limited-Edition
And? This is amiga.org, not amibay.
170 GBP = 200 Euro. He bought in 2015. nov. 300 Euro + 15 Euro shipping. http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232
Idiot! :crazy::crazy::crazy: HAHAHA :lol::lol::lol::lol::roflmao::biglaugh:
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He sold it in 4 minutes, you will wait years :rofl:
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He sold it in 4 minutes, you will wait years :rofl:
Sold 200 Euro, because real price 300 Euro. The buyer will sell it in later more expensive (300 Euro).
If somebody wants to sell something too cheaply, i don't care. It's none of my business. I will not sell it at 2/3 price, I have plenty of time.
I would have been able to sell it below 30 minutes cheaply (200 Euro).
The value of my 1232-50 card will rise and rise, because they never produce a faster card.
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Sold 200 Euro, because real price 300 Euro. The buyer will sell it in later more expensive (300 Euro).
If somebody wants to sell something too cheaply, i don't care. It's none of my business. I will not sell it at 2/3 price, I have plenty of time.
I would have been able to sell it below 30 minutes cheaply (200 Euro).
The value of my 1232-50 card will rise and rise, because they never produce a faster card.
I hope you have plenty of time. say, .... about 25 years or so.
That's the time it will take to make this board of yours rare. Since it is still being made and retailed people will spend money on something new and with warranty...
If my choice is to pay you 300 EUR plus shipping VS paying 290 EUR (plus shipping) for something new and with warranty. I'd choose the warranty any day of the week and twice on Sunday....
I have been looking at the pictures available at the ACA 1233 cards. and it seems fairly easy to do a cpu swap and modify it to 50Mhz. It don't look to complex.
But considering the aca's are still being made and retailed new, You are never going to get back your investment in time to do the work, and that is just being honest with you. At least not as long as they are in stores. nothing wrong with your work.
But the aca's are still being made.... If i were in your shoes, id hamster these board like a mad hatter, modify and wait patiently till they are rare before selling them. then you will most likely get your money back....
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I hope you have plenty of time. say, .... about 25 years or so.
That's the time it will take to make this board of yours rare. Since it is still being made and retailed people will spend money on something new and with warranty...
If my choice is to pay you 300 EUR plus shipping VS paying 290 EUR (plus shipping) for something new and with warranty. I'd choose the warranty any day of the week and twice on Sunday....
I have been looking at the pictures available at the ACA 1233 cards. and it seems fairly easy to do a cpu swap and modify it to 50Mhz. It don't look to complex.
But considering the aca's are still being made and retailed new, You are never going to get back your investment in time to do the work, and that is just being honest with you. At least not as long as they are in stores. nothing wrong with your work.
But the aca's are still being made.... If i were in your shoes, id hamster these board like a mad hatter, modify and wait patiently till they are rare before selling them. then you will most likely get your money back....
You're wrong. My 1232-50 rare NOW. ACA1233-55 360 Euro, minimal (3-4%) faster, than my 1232 = 300 Euro. Old B1230 200-350 Euro. Etc.
New, or old, irrelevant. All ACA card = USED CPU. All other components old version, not produced now.
1233 CPU swap easy??? HAHA.:rofl: Easy modify to 50 MHz??? HEHE :laugh1:
I will get back my money.
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blizzard , i have one question for you , are u sick men ?
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You're wrong. My 1232-50 rare NOW. ACA1233-55 360 Euro, minimal (3-4%) faster, than my 1232 = 300 Euro. Old B1230 200-350 Euro. Etc.
New, or old, irrelevant. All ACA card = USED CPU. All other components old version, not produced now.
1233 CPU swap easy??? HAHA.:rofl: Easy modify to 50 MHz??? HEHE :laugh1:
I will get back my money.
Put it on eBay at 320 euro and you will sell it for sure : eBay is full of rich people...
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Put it on eBay at 320 euro and you will sell it for sure : eBay is full of rich people...
320 Euro too little. If I advertise on ebay 250 Euro, then ebay final value fee 30 USD (27 Euro), paypal fee 13 Euro. 27+13=40 Euro. 250-40=210 Euro, too little.
Ebay price min. 340-350 Euro minus fees = remain 300 Euro. Min. price 300 Euro.
350 Euro buy it now price = impossible. Nobody pays this much.
Original new ACA1233-55 360 Euro.
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If I advertise on ebay 250 Euro, then ebay final value fee 30 USD (27 Euro), paypal fee 13 Euro. 27+13=40 Euro
All wrong : eBay fee is 7.50% and Paypal fee is 3.4%
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All wrong : eBay fee is 7.50% and Paypal fee is 3.4%
Not wrong. My real ebay selling parameters.
Sold 250 Euro. Ebay final value fee 29,69 USD = 27,7 Euro, paypal fee 12,52 Euro.
40 Euro / 250 Euro = 16% fee.
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Maybe it's location-based, or different where you sell the item? A quick check I see 10% and 2.9%, respectively. But there's so many variables involved, such as the length of your listing, whether you list it on one of their special "no fee days", etc.
Back in the day (years ago) I sold tons of electronics on ebay and had a rating well into the hundreds. I never felt the fees were too onerous. It's "the cost of doing business" same as if you had to pay taxes selling in a retail store, or pay for gas to drive to meet someone for an item sold on Craigslist or the local want ads, etc. Somewhere along the way you're always going to have to pay something extra. At least ebay/PayPal are pretty up-front with what they charge. IMHO OP needs to suck it up and stop whining and complaining. :laughing:
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Maybe it's location-based, or different where you sell the item? A quick check I see 10% and 2.9%, respectively. But there's so many variables involved, such as the length of your listing, whether you list it on one of their special "no fee days", etc.
Back in the day (years ago) I sold tons of electronics on ebay and had a rating well into the hundreds. I never felt the fees were too onerous. It's "the cost of doing business" same as if you had to pay taxes selling in a retail store, or pay for gas to drive to meet someone for an item sold on Craigslist or the local want ads, etc. Somewhere along the way you're always going to have to pay something extra. At least ebay/PayPal are pretty up-front with what they charge. IMHO OP needs to suck it up and stop whining and complaining. :laughing:
250 Euro simple buy it now sold = 16% ebay+paypal fee BRUTAL!
300 Euro = 17-18%. 1000 Euro 20-22%??? Ebay=bullsh@@.
If I sold a 1000 Euro thing, then fees = 200 Euro?!?! This not normal.
Real ebay+paypal fee = max. 6-8% 1-2000 Euro.
I can sell valuable (200-2000 Euro) things nowhere. Ebay = brutal fees, retro forums = no buyer, or rules = bullsh@@.
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I can sell valuable (200-2000 Euro) things nowhere. Ebay = brutal fees, retro forums = no buyer, or rules = bullsh@@.
This is the thing about this guy i don't understand....
If it is such bull%& selling items on retro forums, then why the hell do you keep rambling on about it?
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This is the thing about this guy i don't understand....
If it is such bull%& selling items on retro forums, then why the hell do you keep rambling on about it?
Not all retro forums bad.
Many products are sold on forums (expensively, and under 1 hour-1 days!), why I cannot sell it? :angryfire::angryfire:
My price real. 300 Euro in Germany, Western Europe, USA, etc. = nothing.
The customers have much money. They bought many expensive (2-4× price!) pruducts.
C64 reloaded, Vampire 600, 500, etc.
727 USD = 648 Euro: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amiga-500-accelerator-Vampire-500-V2-/262632677230
Normal price 250-300 Euro. Etc. I see money wasting everywhere.
C64 SuperCPU128 1400 Euro real price? http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?77076-CMD-SuperCPU-128-SuperRAM-16MB-MetalDust
Why??? :crazy::crazy: 20 MHz, 16 MB, 8-24 bits only!
My 1232 50 MHz, 128 MB, 32 bits! 68030 50 Mhz power = min. 65816 200 Mhz.
If SCPU 1400 Euro OK, then my 1232 300 Euro why not OK?
I live 400 Euro/months money.
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"C64 SuperCPU128 1400 Euro real price? http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...16MB-MetalDust
Why??? 20 MHz, 16 MB, 8-24 bits only!
My 1232 50 MHz, 128 MB, 32 bits! 68030 50 Mhz power = min. 65816 200 Mhz."
Hehe I love your sense of humor;) Its a great parody of many sellers on the internett. Thumbs up.
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"C64 SuperCPU128 1400 Euro real price? http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...16MB-MetalDust
Why??? 20 MHz, 16 MB, 8-24 bits only!
My 1232 50 MHz, 128 MB, 32 bits! 68030 50 Mhz power = min. 65816 200 Mhz."
Hehe I love your sense of humor;) Its a great parody of many sellers on the internett. Thumbs up.
The Amiga and Commodore retro prices = fun.
SCPU made in 198x, 1400 Euro. My 1232 made in 2012, 300 Euro, to sell impossible since Sept. 9.
30 years old hardwares = 1000-3000 Euro unbelievable.
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With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro + shipping, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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"C64 SuperCPU128 1400 Euro real price? http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...16MB-MetalDust
Why???
Because not many were made and people want them (the lack of emulators supporting SCPU have made it worse than it could have been).
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Because not many were made and people want them
:laughing:
This guy is completely unhinged. He obviously doesn't understand common sense rules of supply and demand, or economics. :lol:
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:laughing:
This guy is completely unhinged. He obviously doesn't understand common sense rules of supply and demand, or economics. :lol:
Where is common sense rules of supply and demand, or economics?
All price unreal, caotic.
The retro Amiga community has only 3-4000 active members on the world. How may 3000 member cause big demand, and high prices?
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Where is common sense rules of supply and demand, or economics?
All price unreal, caotic.
The retro Amiga community has only 3-4000 active members on the world. How may 3000 member cause big demand, and high prices?
Surely it's much higher than 4000. Not every Amiga user is signed up on forums or answers surveys on Amiga usage. I know I certainly didn't until 2009.
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Where is common sense rules of supply and demand, or economics?
This has to be my favourite quote so far... ;)
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With 50 MHz CPU 300 Euro + shipping, with 33 MHz CPU 250 Euro + shipping.
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Where is common sense rules of supply and demand, or economics?
All price unreal, caotic.
The retro Amiga community has only 3-4000 active members on the world. How may 3000 member cause big demand, and high prices?
It is essentially: The lowest price the people who are selling are prepared to accept combined with the highest price the people who are buying are prepared to pay.
So if someone had enough boards to satisfy all the demand and was prepared to sell them for $1 then that is the price. If you have the only one then you set the price, but you may not sell if it's too high.
With equipment like this there is no real value, so it will peak at a certain point where desirability and disposable income is at it's highest and then it will taper off. In fifty years time we'll be dying off and nobody will care about it enough to keep the value high.
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In fifty years time we'll be dying off
You're saying we'll live another 50 years? That's pretty optimistic. ;)
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It is essentially: The lowest price the people who are selling are prepared to accept combined with the highest price the people who are buying are prepared to pay.
So if someone had enough boards to satisfy all the demand and was prepared to sell them for $1 then that is the price. If you have the only one then you set the price, but you may not sell if it's too high.
With equipment like this there is no real value, so it will peak at a certain point where desirability and disposable income is at it's highest and then it will taper off. In fifty years time we'll be dying off and nobody will care about it enough to keep the value high.
300 Euro real price.
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300 Euro.
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You know, on Amibay and other sites, they have rules about price bumping every day. :angryfire:
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I first believed that all this was a big joke and a parody, but i am not sure anymore..
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The forum rules make the selling difficult. Some men (important retro persons) founded some forums in 19xy-20xy (amibay, etc.), they was prepared forum rules. The rules serves the founders. The rules hinders me.
The too many rules hinder the shopping and the trading without the fees.
It is the essence of the retro forums that there are not selling fees. Ebay+paypal fees = 15-20 %!!
If I sold a product on ebay 250 Euro, then ebay final value fee 30 USD (27 Euro), paypal fee 13 Euro.
27+13=40 Euro. Brutal. Fees 16 %. 250-40=210 Euro.
The selling and the shopping are impossible quasi on the forums, because of the many rules.
Merely little, if there are not fees.
The fast, free trading is possible nowhere now with little rules. The forum rules should help in the trading.
I want to decide it, if I want to sell something who I sell it to. No the rule, or the moderator let him decide it who I may sell it to.
Let the rule not decide it if I want to buy something I may be shopping, or no. The moderators may prevent the shopping. This occurred with me already. I paid it off, and I may not have bought it after all (amibay).
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Your last post makes no sense. Amibay has zero fees if you learn how to use it correctly.
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Other men do not define it what I shall do how.
The ebay, etc. rules simple. X fees, etc.
Why to ask prohibited offers of the customers (bidding)? Amibay.
The highest selling price is the aim.
If 2-5 men want to buy something, why I have to sell it at the lowest price? First buyer (declaring interest...).
The increase of the price is prohibited (amibay). It is possible to reduce the price only. Etc.
Normal trading impossible.
The forums should meld the benefits of the auction sites and the forums, without their disadvantages. Bidding without fees. This does not come true. The moderators (amibay) do not observe their own rules.
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I've seen sellers on amibay increase their item price over time, I don't think there's a rule which states you can only decrease it.
The first in line rule is a good thing. Imagine this.... a super rich Amiga hater who buys everything that's ever for sale on amibay and then destroys it. He creates mass bonfires of Amiga computers and related gear and films them as they burn, after which uploading the videos to youtube.
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The rule you willfully broke repeatedly after being told the rule was to refuse to set a price and demanding offers instead.
Selling the way that YOU want to happens on eBay, not AmiBay. Accept it, it's not going to change.
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Why is the Amiga burning a bad thing?
Why they (amibay moderators) limit the shopping, the collection, the prices, the trading?
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Why to ask prohibited offers of the customers (bidding)? Amibay.
It's very simple: Amibay is not an Auction site, never was and hopefully never will be.
Also, according to the rules, a seller can state a price and also accept offers (if he/she chooses to).
I think the majority rules there serve their purpose.
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Why is the Amiga burning a bad thing?
You're right, it's a great thing. How 'bout we start with you posting a video of burning the card you keep trying to flog on this forum? :laughing:
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Why is the Amiga burning a bad thing?
Why they (amibay moderators) limit the shopping, the collection, the prices, the trading?
The AmiBay moderators don't limit prices at all. You can ask for $1,000,000,000 for a cable if you want. You can raise or lower your price if you want. You may, as you did, get comments about it but no infraction from the site. It's not a prohibited practice, it just seems like a silly thing to do and that's what people commented on.
The rules and moderators there try to keep the process fair and equitable particularly in the public threads. You may have more leeway in private messages but there are still limits.
When you signed up there, you were given all of the rules. You had to agree to them to complete registration. Among the rules it explicitly stated that AmiBay is NOT an auction site.
You gave your word to abide by the rules. Even after multiple reminders when you broke them, you continued to break them. You have clearly shown yourself to be without honor. Breaking your word is dishonorable. Rightly so, your thread was deleted.
When you pursued me in private messages, you continued to break the rules. I reminded you 3 times that the rules require the seller to set a price. You continued to refuse to set a price. I told you I don't want to deal with you. Proceeded to become rude and offensive, used obscenity. That's when I reported you to the moderators with a copy of the entire private conversation.
You lie when you say you will abide by the rules. When you are reminded of the rules you agreed to you are dishonorable and childish when you say they don't apply to you. You whine when you try to use a sales site as an auction site.
You are a thoroughly bad person. I would never buy anything from you or anyone else who behaved like you.
You claim to have made modifications to this board. It's clearly marked on the board not to do that. Continuing to modify broke your side of the license agreement. Once again, the actions of a dishonorable person. You make claims about the value of those modifications. When people question you, instead of a polite reply, you get offensive and attack and become obscene. You refuse to quantify the benefit of what you've done. You imply that the warranty will be honored when it clearly will not because the board has been modified. You obviously have no idea how a market works.
With all the lies and deceit, I would question if you are competent to perform the modifications you did.
You lie, you deceive, you break your word, you are dishonorable, you are disingenuous in your arguing. The list goes on.
I will never buy from you. I will never respond to you and your offensive behavior, I will recommend as strongly as possible that no one ever buys from you under the many aliases you have taken on the forums.
I recommend that this discussion be ended and the thread closed. It shouldn't be deleted but maintained as a record of this user's perfidy.
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@Blizzard 128 MB....
YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED! :lol:
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The AmiBay moderators don't limit prices at all. You can ask for $1,000,000,000 for a cable if you want. You can raise or lower your price if you want. You may, as you did, get comments about it but no infraction from the site. It's not a prohibited practice, it just seems like a silly thing to do and that's what people commented on.
The rules and moderators there try to keep the process fair and equitable particularly in the public threads. You may have more leeway in private messages but there are still limits.
When you signed up there, you were given all of the rules. You had to agree to them to complete registration. Among the rules it explicitly stated that AmiBay is NOT an auction site.
You gave your word to abide by the rules. Even after multiple reminders when you broke them, you continued to break them. You have clearly shown yourself to be without honor. Breaking your word is dishonorable. Rightly so, your thread was deleted.
When you pursued me in private messages, you continued to break the rules. I reminded you 3 times that the rules require the seller to set a price. You continued to refuse to set a price. I told you I don't want to deal with you. Proceeded to become rude and offensive, used obscenity. That's when I reported you to the moderators with a copy of the entire private conversation.
You lie when you say you will abide by the rules. When you are reminded of the rules you agreed to you are dishonorable and childish when you say they don't apply to you. You whine when you try to use a sales site as an auction site.
You are a thoroughly bad person. I would never buy anything from you or anyone else who behaved like you.
You claim to have made modifications to this board. It's clearly marked on the board not to do that. Continuing to modify broke your side of the license agreement. Once again, the actions of a dishonorable person. You make claims about the value of those modifications. When people question you, instead of a polite reply, you get offensive and attack and become obscene. You refuse to quantify the benefit of what you've done. You imply that the warranty will be honored when it clearly will not because the board has been modified. You obviously have no idea how a market works.
With all the lies and deceit, I would question if you are competent to perform the modifications you did.
You lie, you deceive, you break your word, you are dishonorable, you are disingenuous in your arguing. The list goes on.
I will never buy from you. I will never respond to you and your offensive behavior, I will recommend as strongly as possible that no one ever buys from you under the many aliases you have taken on the forums.
I recommend that this discussion be ended and the thread closed. It shouldn't be deleted but maintained as a record of this user's perfidy.
I never cheated nobody nowhere (amibay, etc.). I wanted to buy some things. I wanted to sell some things. It's simple. I did not sell a wrong thing as faultless. I am not a swindler. This product of mine works.
I broke some rules because they hindered me. I don't understand you spread it about me why I am a swindler. Because of you (and other amibay moderators) from me nobody is shopping. Finish the dissemination of the bad news. You cannot show a man, who I cheated. I hurt nobody.
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I broke some rules because they hindered me.
Your own words.
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Your own words.
The contravention of some rules is not equal to the fraud, is not equal to the lie. The contravention of the rules and the shopping are independent of each other things. I hurt nobody with the contravention of the rule. Why that important that I advertise the product? The product the important one, not me. There is no obstacle to the shopping, if my product is faultless.
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@ MODS
there's a Buy/Sell section of this site so please move this thread or close this thread and have the OP start a new ad there
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@ MODS
there's a Buy/Sell section of this site so please move this thread or close this thread and have the OP start a new ad there
This is the buy/sell topic on this forum!
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I meant the classified section or auction house section
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I want to sell a product. I can advertise it here only.
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I want to sell a product. I can advertise it here only.
Please stop. Nobody here is interested. You'd think after the public telling-off you got earlier, you'd know when to stop beating a dead horse. :mad:
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I want to sell a product. I can advertise it here only.
Is it a good price?
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Is it a good price?
I reduced the price! 250 Euro with 33 and 50 MHz CPU! This is the last chance! Only until Sunday (Oct. 9.) 18 PM (Hungary timezone)! Shipping Cost to Europe 10 Euro, not insured priority registered letter. On Sunday topic close, end of shopping.
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are you SICK ?
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are you SICK ?
Are you OFFENSIVE?
At the current price its not a bad deal.
And soldering an '030 socket is a PITA.
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That's a good price.
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That's a good price.
The price is not good for the shopping yet?
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Hey Dirt! I thought we told you not to come around here no more! HAHAHAHAHAHA... Joe Dirt and all that, ha!
Oh man, you crack me up! Where U from? Are you on the dark aMIGa subnet?
Dude! You've been the best Amigatainment in a long while! Stay! Stay Forever!
But, to answer your question.....
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250 Euro with 33 and 50 MHz CPU.
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Please delete whole topic now. Why did I not find a moderator? How is it possible to find it?
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Please delete whole topic now. Why did I not find a moderator? How is it possible to find it?
Just create a new thread offering the card for sale again if you wish. I don't think there'll be any more drama. Unless you've sold it have you?
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It should sell. 250euro is good price.
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Please delete whole topic now. Why did I not find a moderator? How is it possible to find it
My product interested nobody sincerely. I was laughed at, I was teased, I advertise it expensively according to them. This is not true. They made a fun of the topic. The topic was meaningless, it is necessary to delete it because of this.
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I would say that post #136 is a pretty telling description of the way that you conduct business. Along with your response "I broke the rules because they were in my way". :pissed:
That being said, if you'd stop commenting on this ********* thread it would drop down off the home screen and people would stop commenting on it. Just stop posting! :angryfire:
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I wanted to sell a rare turbocard only. I looked for 1 customer only. Irrelevant what I want to sell the card for. I proved 2 times (original ACA1232-50 MHz price was 300 Euro, ebay B1230 250-350 Euro, that I advertised it on a real price. You do not tell me what I have to do. I did not open the topic that everybody should write nonsenses to me because of that.
You did everything in order to hinder me. It is not obligatory to buy it from me. If something does not like, do not write to me.
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You do not tell me what I have to do.
All right there, simmer down, tough guy. :lol:
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I don't care what you believe about me. Keep your opinion in yourself. The end.
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What I don't understand is... since your modified ACA card is so much better than the Blizzard 1230 card you have, why don't you keep it and sell the Blizzard 1230 card instead?
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What I don't understand is... since your modified ACA card is so much better than the Blizzard 1230 card you have, why don't you keep it and sell the Blizzard 1230 card instead?
Not that's the problem, but what the men do here. They do not want from me to shop, to pester me only. I sold B1230, ACA1221.
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I wanted to sell a rare turbocard only.
It is not rare, it is FFS still being made and retailed.....
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Ironically it would have sold on amibay at 250 euros.
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This tread will go on forever if people keep trolling here. Let him set his own price whatever it is. It it sells or not this tread will sink to the bottom.
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pyrre: RARE! The original ACA1232 50 MHz card was available in November-December 2015. only, was limited edition, 10-15 pieces, all sold (300 €). This will never be produced already. ACA1233n 40 MHz 240 Euro! Dhrystones 9203 only. My 1232 11408.
paul1981: Why? What is amibay? This is not the most important retro site on the world. The amibay prices are not authoritative. There are cheap and expensive products everywhere. My 250 Euro price too cheap. Real price min. 300 Euro.
Faerytale: The topic lasts until somebody does not buy it.
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Faerytale: The topic lasts until somebody does not buy it.
That happened many pages ago :)
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ACA1233n 40 MHz 240 Euro!
You can buy a brand-new 40MHz ACA card on Amigakit for $215 USD. That works out to about 195 EUR. Just checked it today. For someone who's so interested in nickel-and-diming the price of an item, you should at least check your numbers before posting them.
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You can buy a brand-new 40MHz ACA card on Amigakit for $215 USD. That works out to about 195 EUR. Just checked it today. For someone who's so interested in nickel-and-diming the price of an item, you should at least check your numbers before posting them.
ACA1233n 40 MHz 240 Euro. https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/produkt-details/aca1232_1220_cpu/68030.40+/product/ACA12xx.html#filter=*
Amigakit 240 Euro, or 280 USD, or 191 GBP. http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1285
ACA1233n 26 MHz 170 Euro. https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/produkt-details/product/ACA12xx.html?aca1232_1220_cpu=68030.26#filter=*
ACA1233 55 MHz 360 Euro. https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/produkt-details/aca1232_1220_cpu/68030.55+/product/ACA12xx.html#filter=*
My 1232 50 MHz 250 Euro brutal cheap.
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I can't even. Nobody buys from icomp.de. They buy from a reseller, such as AmigaKit. Throwing up my hands in your general direction at this absurdity. :evil:
Some screenshots:
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Omg dude. Nobody buys from icomp.de. They buy from a reseller, AmigaKit is just one example. Do you not know anything about buying and selling, and list prices? I just can't even. Throwing up my hands in your general direction at this absurdity. :evil:
Some screenshots:
Icomp = manufacturer.
I look on amigakit 1233n-40 prices. The 215 USD error in USA store.
European store 240 Euro, Canadian store 280 USD, UK store 191 GBP.
All prices have to be alike in 1 shop. 240 Euro = 280 USD = 191 GBP. 215 USD impossible.
If 1233n 240 Euro, then my 1232 50 MHz cheap 300 Euro. 250 Euro super cheap.
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The 215 USD error in USA store.
*of course it is* Riiiight. All of these websites are wrong, and full of lies. It's all a giant conspiracy with the sole intention of preventing you from selling your one hacked up board. :lol:
Would you like a tinfoil hat to go along with your conspiracy theories?
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*of course it is* Riiiight. All of these websites are wrong, and full of lies. It's all a giant conspiracy with the sole intention of preventing you from selling your one hacked up board. :lol:
Would you like a tinfoil hat to go along with your conspiracy theories?
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My 1232 real price min. 300-350 Euro. 250 Euro cheap.
Why do you write to me, if you do not want to shop? Why do you not deal with other things? You pester me vainly, you're wrong. The retro things prices rise. You may do nothing against the price rise. The prices do not conform to you. Be shopping somewhere else, if my product is too expensive.
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Agree, move along, this parot has ceased to be! It's getting into bullying territory now.
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Horror = impossible to sell a cheap, rare turbocard, will never be produced already.
Be ashamed of yourselves.
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Horror = impossible to sell a cheap, rare turbocard, will never be produced already.
Be ashamed of yourselves.
http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232#50MHz_limited_edition
50MHz limited edition
Starting mid-november 2015, a limited edition of this card is offered, using a 50MHz-rated 68030 CPU with full MMU. This card has a completely new SD-Ram controller, especially geared towards handling a higher CPU clock while maintaining all timing requirements of each and every component of the card. That means: No part of the card is overclocked. All components are operated well within specifications. Previously, customers have overclocked our cards to obtain a 50MHz version, but these cards have shown instabilities because memory and the memory controller were also overclocked. Most of these customers went back to using the original (and guaranteed!) clock frequency.
Does your card have the new SD-Ram controller? If not, then you can not pass it off as one of those rare 50MHz versions that were available from November 2015. I'm just being honest here, this is not an attack upon you, but I don't think it's fair to try and pass your card off as one of those rare versions, people need to know exactly what they are buying.
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http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232#50MHz_limited_edition
Does your card have the new SD-Ram controller? If not, then you can not pass it off as one of those rare 50MHz versions that were available from November 2015. I'm just being honest here, this is not an attack upon you, but I don't think it's fair to try and pass your card off as one of those rare versions, people need to know exactly what they are buying.
Noooo. Original made in 2015 50 MHz ACA1232 RAM controller work on 50 MHz, oscillator 50 MHz. CPU work on 50 MHz.
All ACA1232 20, 25, 30, 33, 40 MHz card PCB same. The difference CPU freq (in 33 MHz card are 33 MHz CPU), and R1-4 resistors only. But original 1232 50 MHz RAM controller different. Original 1232 25 MHz card freq. multiplier resistor R2 (RAM 50 MHz, CPU 25 MHz), original 50 MHz card R2 (RAM 50 MHz, CPU 50 MHz).
My 1232 RAM clock 100 MHz, look this topic message 1:
R1-4 switch configuration, original not modified oscillator 20 MHz, multiplication, not divide.
All off, RAM 2× = 40 MHz, CPU 20 MHz.
R2 on, RAM 2,5× = 50 MHz, CPU 25 MHz.
R3 on, RAM 3× = 60 MHz, CPU 30 MHz.
R1 on, RAM 3,33× = 66 MHz, CPU 33 MHz.
R2+4 on, RAM 4× = 80 MHz, CPU 40 MHz.
R1+4 on, RAM 5× = 100 MHz, CPU 50 MHz.
R4 on, RAM 5,33× = 106,6 MHz, CPU 53,3 MHz. Never try!
R2+3 on, RAM 6× = 120 MHz, CPU 60 MHz. Never try!
R1+3 on, RAM 8× = 160 Mhz, CPU 80 MHz. Never try!
Never try other 7 combinations (R1+2 on, etc.)!
Look: http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1232#ACA_12xx_Benchmarks
Original 50 MHz 1232 dhrystones 10576, my 1232 11478. The reason of the difference RAM speed!
The ACA1233 55 MHz oscillator 55,55 Mhz, RAM and CPU work on 55 MHz.
ACA1233 40 MHz oscillator 80 MHz, RAM work on 80 MHz, CPU work on 40 MHz. Divide 1/2 = RAM controller, not resistors!
New 1233n 26 and 40 MHz oscillators 80 MHz. At both version RAM work on 80 MHz, CPU work on 80/2=40 MHz, or 80/3=26 MHz. Simple.
Divide 1/2, or 1/3 = RAM controller, not resistors!
There was need for a new RAM controller (ACA1233-55, and 1232-50), because the RAM chips are not work on 105-110 MHz. (ACA1233-55 CPU freq. 55 MHz, RAM freq. 110 MHz, this not work.)
100 MHz are big loads already (1232-50). They (icomp) did not want to use the RAM chips on approximately 95% load.
ACA card RAM chips: EM63A165TS-6G. http://www.etron.com/manager/uploads/EM63A165TS_v1.4.pdf
166 MHz Fully synchronous operation.
100-110 MHz why not OK?
R4 on, RAM 5,33× = 106,6 MHz, CPU 53,3 MHz. Not stable, start disk pic OK, but boot = guru.
They used new RAM controller for the 1232-50, if a new controller was needed for the 1233-55.
1233-55 limited edition: http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1233#55.55_MHz_limited_edition
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@Blizzard 128 MB
You can try to sell your old ACA1232 for whatever price you want - I'm not gonna dog you for that. But the ACA1233n-40 seems to be a much better spec'd board.
I can assure you that the price on AmigaKit is for a fact $215.89 USD. I just ordered one 10 minutes ago! :) Great price and these won't be around forever. The 1233n-40 seems to be a more feature rich board than even the 1233-55 as the 55 still uses the ACATune tool and can't be controlled thru software (although it's faster). Also ordered Personal Paint 7.3b! :)
Per iComp....
New features (of the ACA1233-40)
Memory auto-configuration
Dynamic clocking for power-saving
card enable/disable in software
memory available to onboard CPU if accelerator is switched off
faster clockport for RapidRoad gives 55% speed increase
new software compatibility settings
improved A1200 compatibility
Memory of the ACA1233n is auto-configuring. This means that all memory is available from a power-up without installing any software on the computer. The old ACAtune tool, which was required for our previous accelerators, is not required any more.
If you do not require full speed, the card can be slowed down in order to save power. The CPU governor program will monitor CPU requirement and adapt to the demands of your application, resulting in the best power/performance ratio for your use case.
Some software does not like accelerated execution. For these cases, the ACA1233n can be switched off in two steps: The first step is to switch off the 68030 CPU and give control to the CPU of the host computer. On an A1200, you can still use 9MBytes of fast memory, which are also auto-configuring. The second step is to switch off additional memory as well, getting the computer into it's stock state. If used on an ACA500 or ACA500plus, memory can NOT be used by the 68ec000 processor.
The clockport of the ACA1233n can either take an RTC module, or the RapidRoad USB host controller. Operation of RapidRoad is 55% faster than with the internal clock port of the A1200 computer. This function is available in all modes of operation on an A1200 computer, and on the ACA500plus. It is not available if the ACA1233n is operated on an ACA500.
If software is not compatible with 32-bit memory, Z3 autoconfig or newer Kickstart version, the ACA1233n allows downgrading to Z2 autoconfig, older Kickstart versions and also lets you switch off the so-called "trapdoor memory area". The MapROM function is even available on an A1200 if the 68030 CPU is switched off! This will let you use different Kickstart ROM versions without opening the computer and exchanging ROM chips.
Last not least, the ACA1233n features a new A1200 motherboard interface. Some A1200 main boards have been delivered with the wrong timing components and require modification for reliable use with accelerators. With the new improved interface, the ACA1233n is less likely to require these board patches. Although this has been tested extensively, timing patches may still be required.
I just hope this doesn't take too long to finish up...
http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1233n
So, I jumped down the obligatory rabbit hole!!!! :lol: (BIG Rabbit!)
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PS - HAHAHA! AGAIN I got the last one of another great product from AmigaKit! This has happened to me about 8 times now! the ACA went from Available to Pre-Order right after my order completed! Everything's coming up giZmo!
PSS - I'm gonna send the ACA1233-40 straight off to Acill to have an FPU installed! Along with my A2000 MB to have a recap and corrosion cleaned up & install a coin battery kit! Also an A1200 MB recently bought on eBay for a recap and hole type ROM sockets so I can start using my FAST ATA IDE board again!
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PSS - I'm gonna send the ACA1233-40 straight off to Acill to have an FPU installed! Along with my A2000 MB to have a recap and corrosion cleaned up & install a coin battery kit! Also an A1200 MB recently bought on eBay for a recap and hole type ROM sockets so I can start using my FAST ATA IDE board again!
You might want to weigh your options regarding the FPU. Jens has said that the 1233n will actually run slower if an FPU is fitted. If I understand him correctly (not a given - he often talks about 25' over my head), it has to do with additional waitstates needed for the FPU which negates much of the speed benefit of the faster RAM and memory interface.
I don't know if that's really the case or he's just trying to discourage people from modifying the card. I don't have enough technical knowledge to evaluate it either way. Just saying that you might want to do some research before modifying so you don't end up not getting the results you were expecting.
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Gizmo350: ACA1233n-40 not better, than my 1232. The aim of the developments the price increase. Many little not important new functions = higher price.
In 2012 1232-40 was 185 Euro, dhrystones 9045.
In 2015 1233-40 was 200 Euro, dhrystones 9045.
In 2016 1233n-40 normal price 240 Euro, dhrystones 9203.
The average user senses nothing of the ACA 030 40 MHz card developments. The speed increment is minimal from 1232-40 to 1233n-40. The speed and functions of my card will be suitable in 2016-2020. My 1232 faster, than original 1232-50, and new 1233n.
The new 1233n software pack (ACAtune not usable, obsolete) not finished, not usable 100%. Hehe.
68882 FPU install to 1233 and 1233n not recommended. Instability, etc.
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pyrre: RARE! The original ACA1232 50 MHz card was available in November-December 2015. only, was limited edition, 10-15 pieces, all sold (300 €). This will never be produced already. ACA1233n 40 MHz 240 Euro! Dhrystones 9203 only. My 1232 11408.
paul1981: Why? What is amibay? This is not the most important retro site on the world. The amibay prices are not authoritative. There are cheap and expensive products everywhere. My 250 Euro price too cheap. Real price min. 300 Euro.
Faerytale: The topic lasts until somebody does not buy it.
@ Blizzard 128 MB
The board in question is still being made, it is the same board for any of the 030 cpus. It can be converted by anyone with skills, the necessary equipment end electronic components. It is not rocket science.
This makes the board pretty common....
I have two 030 rated @ 50Mhz myself, one in use in the derringer. and one spare... I even have one 50Mhz 68882....
And there is no reason to start shouting.....
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@Pgovotsos
Yea, I hear ya... was thinking if the 1233n can auto-regulate CPU speed then that might be problematic with a fixed frequency FPU. :confused:
On a Polish site, someone has modified a 1233n with FPU... not sure what CPU he has. Maybe someone could shed some light as I don't know Polish language & no time today to translate.
http://www.ppa.pl/forum/amiga/35089/aca1233n-preorder
and pic...... :)
(http://www.a1k.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=128898&d=1469610332)
@blizzard 128 mb
You laugh at me? I laugh at you!!!! :lol:
The software will get done and you know it!
DANG! Gotta go to work - my job - where I work! :(
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What software?
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What software?
The equivalent of ACATune for the ACA1233n. See http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1233n
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@Pgovotsos
Thx for posting link that I forgot! Doh! :-)
Note to self: email Jens and ask him if he could at least describe the functionality of the delayed software for the ACA 1233n accelerator under the "General" heading. :razz:
This board might prove to be as much fun as the Indie AGA MKII.... ERMAGURD... what have I gotten myself into this time? HaHa...
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They used new RAM controller for the 1232-50, if a new controller was needed for the 1233-55.
So your card is different then to the original and rare 1232 50 MHz edition. Yours has faster RAM access due to older SD-Ram controller. That makes your card more desirable in my opinion, providing it's 100% stable like you say so. You can't attach an FPU to it though like 1233/1233n unfortunately.
@gizmo
I remember reading about someone attaching an FPU to ACA1233, probably on EAB.
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So your card is different then to the original and rare 1232 50 MHz edition. Yours has faster RAM access due to older SD-Ram controller. That makes your card more desirable in my opinion, providing it's 100% stable like you say so. You can't attach an FPU to it though like 1233/1233n unfortunately.
My card stable on 50 MHz. FPU unnecessary (some program use only). Why you deal with the negative things? There are many positive things. Look: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=815313&postcount=179
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250 Euro.
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
I wish you good luck again on selling your card but perhaps you should consider advertising some where else for obvious reasons
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
I wish you good luck again on selling your card but perhaps you should consider advertising some where else for obvious reasons
Where is it possible to advertise yet? EAB and amibay not OK.
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Where is it possible to advertise yet? EAB and amibay not OK.
Try craigslist, or whatever your local equivalent of the want ads is.
Maybe you shouldn't have burned your bridges on those other sites, probably would've sold this board months ago. :lol:
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Try craigslist, or whatever your local equivalent of the want ads is.
Maybe you shouldn't have burned your bridges on those other sites, probably would've sold this board months ago. :lol:
Doesn't matter what I make, if nobody is shopping because of that only from me, because I advertise it. Nobody can understand it, what kind of distinguished product I advertise cheaply. If the seller is more important, than the product, I use the card. Everybody ridiculous, who pesters me here. Buy a slow card expensively.:roflmao::laugh1::biglaugh:
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250 Euro.
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Sold, 260 Euro.
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(http://cdn.everyjoe.com/wp-content/gallery/middle-finger-gifs/middle-finger-gif-20.gif) :roflmao:
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(http://replygif.net/i/1583.gif)
Wow. As if we needed any more examples that you're a right royal prick. Mod should have locked this thread about 9273498237 posts ago. :angry:
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For everybody.:quickdraw::quickdraw::uzi::uzi::ak47::furious::flame::destroy:
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@ Blizzard 128 MB
glad you finally sold it & I'm assuming you're happy because amiga.org gave you a place to sell your card with no associated sellers fees.
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I sold, but not on amiga.org!
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ok, whatever. i hope this thread will now simply drop from the front page and disappear into oblivion, since the case is closed, right?
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I sold, but not on amiga.org!
oh well you sold for a fair price and I hope the new user has fun with his new fast 030 card
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I was able to sell this product for less, than the expense of the purchase price and the card modification (300 €). Real price 300+ Euro.
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OMG....not again
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OMG....not again
I'm thinking someone bought the thing just to shut him up. :laughing:
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The customer does not know this site.
(http://replygif.net/1531)
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The customer does not know this site.
(http://replygif.net/1531)
That may be a good thing (For you). They may have beat a hasty retreat otherwise.
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I was able to sell this product for less, than the expense of the purchase price and the card modification (300 €). Real price 300+ Euro.
That is the reality of modifying a product that is still being made and retailed.
You were warned. several times.
And i hope this explains to you the fact that the card ain't rare yet.....
And more over, i hope you are able to grasp the reality and acknowledge it.....
and BTW. grats for selling the card
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If a card limited (ACA1232 50 MHz), and all sold under 1 month (2015. dec., was 300 Euro), never more available, and I modification a 33 MHz 1232 card (original price was 155 Euro) to 50 MHz, and 100% OK, then my card rare, and real price min. 300 Euro. Thats is the reality.
The modified card is more valuable at the original card. The modification increased the value of the card.
Why does nobody understand this?
If I modified a Blizzard 1240 68040 25 MHz (400 Euro) card to 68060 50-80 MHz (Blizzard 1260, 600 Euro), then I increased the value (min. 200 Euro) of the card. Many people did this already.
They sold (amibay, 600-700 Euro, 66, 75, 80 MHz) many cards already. Nobody complained that the card is modified. Everybody was glad that somebody modified the card.
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My card is very rare, it has a unique serial number that makes it super special.
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If a card limited (ACA1232 50 MHz), and all sold under 1 month (2015. dec., was 300 Euro), never more available, and I modification a 33 MHz 1232 card (original price was 155 Euro) to 50 MHz, and 100% OK, then my card rare, and real price min. 300 Euro. Thats is the reality.
The modified card is more valuable at the original card. The modification increased the value of the card.
Why does nobody understand this?
Because that is not the case. The same BASIC board is STILL BEING MADE.
If i can go to a retailer and purchase a 33mhz card and modify it to 50mhz at home, because i have the skills and the hardware required for the mod. then the card is NOT RARE.... get it?
Or do you still choose to live in denial?
If I modified a Blizzard 1240 68040 25 MHz (400 Euro) card to 68060 50-80 MHz (Blizzard 1260, 600 Euro), then I increased the value (min. 200 Euro) of the card. Many people did this already.
They sold (amibay, 600-700 Euro, 66, 75, 80 MHz) many cards already. Nobody complained that the card is modified. Everybody was glad that somebody modified the card.
Now you are talking. Blizzards went out of production in the mid 90's.
Modifying a 040 for a 060 and do the job well. then, yes... I'll agree to your increase in value. And of course, any of the blizzards are rare now days...
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The ACA1232 25, 33 MHz cards rarer, than the working B1240/25.
If B1240 to B1260 mofication OK, then ACA 1232 33 to 50 MHz modification OK.
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The ACA1232 25, 33 MHz cards rarer, than the working B1240/25.
If B1240 to B1260 mofication OK, then ACA 1232 33 to 50 MHz modification OK.
The 1232 is becoming rare in the form it has gone through a revision change and the name is 1233 now.. ok i'll give you that one.
However, you can still pick up the 1232's from online auctions.
And you still neglect the fact that the aca's are still being made. someone is actually making new boards for the amiga 1200.
with or without any modification it is still retailed.
This makes the ACA's common.
The blizzards went out of production in 1998 when DCE in germany quit making them. Therefore the blizzards are rare today.
please say you understand now......
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Nooo. ACA1233n not upgadeable to 50 MHz!
I do not prepare more turbocard modifications.
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Could you finally shut up - everybody is booooored with your babble.
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I think this thread is done.
(https://justmeint.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/flogging-a-dead-horse.jpg?w=400)
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Kill me now.......
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R U a horse?
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amigakit USA 215 USD ACA1233n-40 story.
With bank Account Transfer (Europe) summary:
1 x ACA 1233n 40MHz with 128MB - ACATune Utility: None TAX 20% total $258.68.
Sub-Total: $258.68 Delivery Service (Ship to EU : 0.35 KG): $8.35 Trackable/Insured Shipping: $3.96 VAT 20%: $44.50 Total: $270.98
With paypal:
Sub-Total: $258.68 Delivery Service (Ship to EU : 0.35 KG): $8.35 Trackable/Insured Shipping: $3.96 Transaction Fee (1.9%): $5.15 VAT 20%: $44.50 Total: $276.13 = 259 Euro.
ACA1233n-40 normal Europe, not USA price 240 Euro. Insured shipping 12 Euro.
USA low prices = bullsshhiitt.
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Take in account that the USD has gone up a lot in recent times.
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amigakit USA 215 USD ACA1233n-40 story.
With bank Account Transfer (Europe) summary:
1 x ACA 1233n 40MHz with 128MB - ACATune Utility: None TAX 20% total $258.68.
Sub-Total: $258.68 Delivery Service (Ship to EU : 0.35 KG): $8.35 Trackable/Insured Shipping: $3.96 VAT 20%: $44.50 Total: $270.98
With paypal:
Sub-Total: $258.68 Delivery Service (Ship to EU : 0.35 KG): $8.35 Trackable/Insured Shipping: $3.96 Transaction Fee (1.9%): $5.15 VAT 20%: $44.50 Total: $276.13 = 259 Euro.
ACA1233n-40 normal Europe, not USA price 240 Euro. Insured shipping 12 Euro.
USA low prices = bullsshhiitt.
Example of a different product:
MEDIATOR 1200 TX BLACK PCI BUSBOARD + MMCD
US price: $258.32
EU price: €287.48
EU price converted to USD = $304.5
Differende: $46.18
Another example:
Indivision AGA 4000 / CD32 MK2cr
US price: $179.63
EU Price: €199.90
Eu price converted to USD = $211.7
Difference: $37.07
No difference?
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amigakit USA 215 USD ACA1233n-40 story.
With bank Account Transfer (Europe) summary:
1 x ACA 1233n 40MHz with 128MB - ACATune Utility: None TAX 20% total $258.68.
Sub-Total: $258.68 Delivery Service (Ship to EU : 0.35 KG): $8.35 Trackable/Insured Shipping: $3.96 VAT 20%: $44.50 Total: $270.98
With paypal:
Sub-Total: $258.68 Delivery Service (Ship to EU : 0.35 KG): $8.35 Trackable/Insured Shipping: $3.96 Transaction Fee (1.9%): $5.15 VAT 20%: $44.50 Total: $276.13 = 259 Euro.
ACA1233n-40 normal Europe, not USA price 240 Euro. Insured shipping 12 Euro.
USA low prices = bullsshhiitt.
What are you going on about?
If you order within EU prices will be higher compared to ordering to the US due to VAT.
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R U a horse?
Getting kind of personal................:-)
In other news...It's baaack!!
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This thread needs to go DIAF. :madashell:
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Can we please just get this thread locked? It's so far off topic and personal now its ugly.
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This thread needs to go DIAF. :madashell:
Ok, I'll admit that I'm stupid. What the heck is DIAF?
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Die In A Fire
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I was wondering what that meant too.
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You guys need to spend a little more time on Urban Dictionary. ;)