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Title: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Olecranon on August 12, 2006, 04:33:01 AM
I'm speechless how much this is going for  :-o

Phase 5 Blizzard PPC (http://cgi.ebay.com/Phase-5-Blizzard-PPC-603e-240-060-Amiga-1200-A1200_W0QQitemZ180016913370QQihZ008QQcategoryZ162QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: dillinger on August 12, 2006, 04:54:26 AM
yep. That is a - what - 11 year old piece of outdated hardware? You could buy a brand new 1GHz PPC based Pegasos for that.

The words lost grip and reality spring to mind.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: dnelsonfl on August 12, 2006, 05:30:26 AM
I'd be a little concerned about that brand-new 0-feedback Ebayer pushing up the price (registered 8/8). Probably nothing, I mean we all had to start somewhere at 0-feedback. Or maybe I'm just too cautious.  :-D
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: dillinger on August 12, 2006, 05:43:02 AM
yeh, Mr. 0 Rating from Turkey does seem a little suspect. Well, at least he is serving a purpose - seems to be whipping the other guys up into some kind of rabid bidding frenzy. You'd think they'd pace themselves and wait until a little closer to the end. Play it tactical-like :-)

I think what we are about to witness is known as group panic and hysteria.  :-P
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: bloodline on August 12, 2006, 08:17:12 AM
When I see stuff like this, it makes me want to sell mine :-(
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: weirdami on August 12, 2006, 09:38:31 AM
Isn't that more than they costed new?
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: PulsatingQuasar on August 12, 2006, 10:17:16 AM
The price can be partialy explained because of:

- it's the fastest model there is;
- it has SCSI;
- it is rev2 board whilst so, so, so many are not.

Especially the last part is interresting for someone that wants to use a Grex in the best way.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: justthatgood on August 12, 2006, 12:14:55 PM
The Price can be explained fully:

-Some people have way too much time on their hands
-They can't bare to live without
-They have TOO much money on their hands.

Geez, for $755, I would actually be eating. I guess it takes a bout of poverty to actually see how foolish many people are with their money, and to realize the materialistic gluttony many people have succumbed too.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: dillinger on August 12, 2006, 05:36:51 PM
"- it is rev2 board whilst so, so, so many are not.

Especially the last part is interresting for someone that wants to use a Grex in the best way."

That's probably the most _unimportant_ aspect of any BPPC card, unless for some strange reason you feel you must have G-Rex support. And who would be silly enough to attach a BPPC card to a busboard that has been known to _fry_ cards in the past. But then I guess you could argue who would be silly enough to pay $750 for ancient electrical hardware too!! :lol: All revisions work perfectly with any other busboard. (Mediator, etc) So anyone who finds value in BPPC board-revision numbers does not know much about the card to begin with.

Actually, the most "interesting" thing for me about this particular auction would be the fact that the board was originally a 040 based BPPC which has had a 060 hacked on. If you take a close look at the colour tone (http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/i/07/fa/2c/66_1_b.JPG) of that 060 cpu you will see it is a light mauve colour. Original BPPC card 68k chips were all a much darker tone. They also had the Motorola logo printed near the top edge and an angled "half-square" to the left of that, this one doesn't. The 060 chip in this auction  is not standard Phase5/DCE issue. Perhaps this is why there are no photos showing the underside of the board where the 060 CPU resoldering job could be seen! :-)

Take a look at the seller's purchase history and you will spot the ORIGINAL (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3544&item=104751876358) 040 BPPC card which was almost certainly used in the "hack job" imo. £130 he paid for that! So not a bad profit margin there I'd say :-) The bidders should just prey that he has done a better job than in the past with the hack and that really THIS card is not one he forgot to include in one of his previous"Spare Parts" (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=8821746234) auctions. Seems he has screwed-up the hack once or twice in the past (RIP) :-) Which is not difficult to do

If I was insane enough to spend this type of cash on an old accelerator, it would have to be in absolute _perfect_ condition, boxed, with manuals - not a dodgy hack-job! After all, these eBay-loonies are going to endup paying MORE for it than it would have cost to buy 12 years ago brand new. They seem to have no common sense!
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: x56h34 on August 12, 2006, 05:51:50 PM
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dillinger wrote:

That's probably the most _unimportant_ aspect of any BPPC card, unless for some strange reason you feel you must have G-Rex support. And who would be silly enough to attach a BPPC card to a busboard that has been known to _fry_ cards in the past. But then I guess you could argue who would be silly enough to pay $750 for ancient electrical hardware too!! :lol: All revisions work perfectly with any other busboard. (Mediator, etc) So anyone who finds value in BPPC board-revision numbers does not know much about the card to begin with.


I'd use Grex1200 over Mediator any day. No 8MB ZII window is a huge advantage, not to mention the local BPPC bus which makes Grex1200 run faster even than Mediator 3000/4000. If you have proper installation spacers for your tower case, a rubber spacer that you paste over one of the CIA chips, and a rubber spacer that you paste over one of the chip ram memory chips (all supplied with Grex), a rev 2 BPPC card updated to Grex 2.2 firmware, supposing that you plug everything correctly, then all will work fine, stable, and nothing will be fried. People who fried their PPC cards were obviously users who never even had a rev 2 BPPC in the first place or didn't correctly plug in the PCI board to the logic board connectors, or didn't have right spacers installed or any spacers at all.

True, Grex is not for everyone as you really need a hard to find rev 2 BPPC card, but if you have it, then there's no reason why not to use it.

Rev 2 PPC cards supposedly also have a better power management system, so they should be more reliable than rev 0 cards. This is in fact one of the reasons why Grex1200 2.2 firmware requires a rev 2 card.

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Actually, the most "interesting" thing for me about this particular auction would be the fact that the board was originally a 040 based BPPC which has had a 060 hacked on. If you take a close look at the colour tone (http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/i/07/fa/2c/66_1_b.JPG) of that 060 cpu you will see it is a light mauve colour. Original BPPC card 68k chips were all a much darker tone. They also had "Motorola" printed near the top edge and an angled "half-square" to the left of that, this one doesn't. The 060 chip in this auction  is not standard Phase5/DCE issue. Perhaps this is why there are no photos showing the underside of the board where the 060 CPU resoldering job could be seen! :-)


100% agreed on this part. It's obviously a conversion job. The MC68060RC50 chip is a dead giveaway. Perhaps if AmigaFrance did the job, then it may not be so bad at all as JJB does an amazing job with these conversions. He even installs a socket for the 060 chip. ;-)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Lando on August 12, 2006, 05:52:25 PM
Looking at photo 3, he's put too much thermal paste on the PPC.  Just a little ball a few mm in size would be enough.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: ElZorro on August 12, 2006, 09:25:25 PM
755 us dollars or 400 GBP is about 680 euro.

This is redicules! :-? I do not get it.
Why so fast? Why to obtain a speed matching the PC?
Fot this price you van buy a 1GHz PC with a lot of options!

But I guess it is like pieces from the local museum:
rare, hard to find, special way of conserving (keep it in good condition), searched by freaks (with mo money) and from another century and culture.

I always saw my miggy as a part of wasting SPARE time, more like a HOBBY. If I have a hobby which will cost me more than 700 us dollar/400 GBP, my wife can not divorce me, because there is no money left :-D

Guys, be honest. Would you place your bid on this?
(Start the clock, you have 10 seconds......)

Frisby

Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: dillinger on August 12, 2006, 11:58:04 PM
quite simply: no! tbh, I think this amazing price hike is all to do with AOS4. As its - supposed - release draws closer with no real signs of any new h/w to run it on, people see old rusting 240MHz BPPC cards as the only currently available hardware option for AOS4. They're all in a tizz-wozz to grab the last remaining few (literally whether they are dead or alive) and you see the bloody lunatic battles that ensue on eBay for yourself.

Anyhow, I have decided to jump the loonie-PPC-AOS4 Amiga ship and join the Pegasos2-PPC-MorphOS revolution! :) Fantastic OS, highly compatible with PowerUP Amigas and many times more power than any BPPC card.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: pedro7 on August 13, 2006, 01:07:29 AM
I think this is the icing on the cake:

Another Blizzard PPC card (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Blizzard-PPC-603e-for-Amiga-1200-A1200-Phase-5_W0QQitemZ270017682336QQihZ017QQcategoryZ98928QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on ebay.

Same speed PPC + SCSI. The 68k is an 040. The bidding is red hot with 1 at £10  :lol:

Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: whiteb on August 13, 2006, 05:51:53 AM
Oh wow, and the zero feedback bidder, is a brand new bidder (august 06).. thats gotta be a shill bid account surely ?

I hope his fake account wins the auction lol.

Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: PulsatingQuasar on August 13, 2006, 10:57:15 AM
If it is then we will see another auction round on Ebay and then we can report it to Ebay.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Boot_WB on August 13, 2006, 01:35:15 PM
Hello All, I wasn't going to intrude on your rampant speculation thread, but felt I had to defend myself from accusations of Shill bidding.

@dillinger
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That is a - what - 11 year old piece of outdated hardware?


9 years old, actually - not 11, although this particular item may have been produced as late as 1998.

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Take a look at the seller's purchase history and you will spot the ORIGINAL 040 BPPC card which was almost certainly used in the "hack job" imo.


"Hack job"??? Actually, no.  The upgrade iteslf is extremely easy to perform with virtually no risk of damage, given the correct equipment.  

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£130 he paid for that! So not a bad profit margin there I'd say


Well done, an actual fact rather than rampant speculation verging on the libellous.

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The bidders should just prey that he has done a better job than in the past with the hack and that really THIS card is not one he forgot to include in one of his previous"Spare Parts" auctions. Seems he has screwed-up the hack once or twice in the past (RIP)  Which is not difficult to do


The 2 bppc corpses in the previous auction were:
1 - a bad mistake from a long time ago (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15480), which resulted in a fried PPC - I DID however use this (already dead) board to practise removal of the 0x0 chip, and installation of a socket, in a possible attempt to resurrect the board in the case it was just a dead 0x0.

2 - A ppc I was given in exchange for a B1240 + scsi kit - which it transpired not only had damage to some traces, but turned out to be totally non-working aswell.  I won't be doing business with that person again.

Oh - please read the auction details from the spare parts auction, you know the bit where it says (and I quote) "If it says "not working" assume it's not working - if you can fix it, good for you."
Please also note the positive feedback from the buyer.

@Dnelsonfl, dillinger

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 I'd be a little concerned about that brand-new 0-feedback Ebayer pushing up the price (registered 8/8)

Yes, I was - that's why I removed his/her bids.  In the payment instructions I have stated "No bidders of less than +5 blah, blah, blah..."
There was also another 0-rated turkish bidder who pushed the price up to £410, and I also removed that.  Why Turkey??
Anyway, if I was so penny grabbing as to use Shill bidding I
a) would not do it with 8 days to go
b) would use someone's account whom I know with better feedback (eg my brother's account, which has 230-ish +feedback)
c) sure as hell would have set n account up before now to do it
d) Would probably not have 99.5% positive feedback
e) Would not be the kind of person who sells wireless amiga network cards at cost price to fellow Amiga.org-ers
f) etc, etc

@Lando
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Looking at photo 3, he's put too much thermal paste on the PPC. Just a little ball a few mm in size would be enough.

Actually it is a little ball a few mm in size, I just spread it out nicely for the photo.

@WhiteB
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 Oh wow, and the zero feedback bidder, is a brand new bidder (august 06).. thats gotta be a shill bid account surely ?
I hope his fake account wins the auction lol.


Kindly keep your libellous accusations to yourself.



@All

There's a little button on the ebay auction, named "Ask seller a question" rather than wasting time in idle speculation why not try using it.

Oh, for the record a scan of the rework is submitted to the photo section, however it takes a few minutes to upload so I can't post a link yet.

Regards



Rich

PS If you have any doubts about my honesty, feel free to contact the ebay users on my feedback list.
Feel free also to ask: MrZammler, JJ, Morka, AmiJE, Lopos, Gavilan, and any others whom I have forgotten which I've done business with in the past.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Vincent on August 13, 2006, 02:22:14 PM
I bet that if the peeps here knew it was you selling the board this thread wouldn't have turned so negative ;-)

You know how pessimistic we all are :-P
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: justthatgood on August 13, 2006, 03:38:37 PM
I'm pessimistic because I'm poor. I could really careless if people appear to screw people over, or get away with actually doing it. Right now in this point in time it's more then tempting to pull one over on someone to get ahead finacially.

Hey, the oil companies are doing the same thing to people all over the world, but they don't get punished. So why should people how want to make a quick buck to survive get that?
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: jj on August 13, 2006, 05:55:58 PM
Would just like to say Boot_wb is an honest guy.  He sold me and others wireless network cards at cost.  He was also very understanding when I took some time to send him the money.  

I Know ebay makes people suspicious( and probably with good cause), but I think far too many people jump to the wrong conclusions far too quickly
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: dillinger on August 13, 2006, 05:56:24 PM
 @ BootWB

Well, the fact is you're not actually a totally honest trader, despite all your rants above. You listed the card and made a point of pointing out the fact that the: "PPC is a natural 240MHz 603e - NOT overclocked" at the very top of the listing, in a large bold font! The reason that point was made so clearly is because you understand, like the rest of us, that this is an important fact that would increase your own profits. So it was in your own interest to point it out in your listing.

However you "conveniently" forgot to mention the fact that the card is a 040 to 060 conversion/hack. You failed to, honestly, point out the fact that the card has undergone what can be a very stressful and damaging process for such an old card. That hack is far more potentially damaging than repositioning 3 resistors to "overclock" the card a few MHz - and you know it. So I don't really get your "honesty-logic" when you point out that the card is NOT overclocked, yet fail to tell people that its a 040>060 hack-job.

But then you know that honestly pointing the hack out would decrease the card's value significantly. So you just didn't mention it and deliberately did not show photos which would reveal the truth. So when I say you're not an honest trader; that's not "libellous" - it's just good old-fashioned FACT.

I'm sure there are quite a few people in your position who would just love for there to be some kind of admin restriction placed on "eBay speculation" threads on Amiga.org, because (like deliberately failing to fully inform people of your card's history) it would be very "convenient" for you personally and financially. But I think actually this thread has been very useful and has helped to inform people of the facts. That's the whole purpose of any discussion board, btw.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: PaSha on August 13, 2006, 06:21:47 PM
yada, yada, yada.
The fact that quite a few Amigans seem to have way too much money to spend on hardware, is hardly the sellers fault. Things go for insane prices all the time.
So give the guy a break.

Nice-to-know: The 68060 on this board is a mask E41J chip, the latest revision 68060 (ie, the coolest running one with the fewest bugs, etc).
These were not available when p5 manufactured the BPPC/CSPPC boards. In fact, a lot of p5 boards were shipped with early prototype 68060 chips (hot & buggy).

'The 060 chip in this auction is not standard Phase5/DCE issue' :laughing:

No, it's better.

Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: LawlessPPC on August 13, 2006, 06:39:45 PM
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weirdami wrote:
Isn't that more than they costed new?



no its not i have one of the very first ones and it cost me £659 plus p&p fom white knight technologies and bare in mind you cannot make an a1200 go quicker than this even now!!!
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Boot_WB on August 13, 2006, 06:43:56 PM
If you have a point Dillinger I'd like you to get to it, you have now twice questioned my honesty.
I don't see what your problem is - it obviously has something to do with the price rather than anything else.  I suggest you just don't bid.

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 You listed the card and made a point of pointing out the fact that the: "PPC is a natural 240MHz 603e - NOT overclocked" at the very top of the listing, in a large bold font! The reason that point was made so clearly is because you understand, like the rest of us, that this is an important fact that would increase your own profits. So it was in your own interest to point it out in your listing.

Yes, that is called "writing an advert".

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You failed to, honestly, point out the fact that the card has undergone what can be a very stressful and damaging process for such an old card. That hack is far more potentially damaging than repositioning 3 resistors to "overclock" the card a few MHz - and you know it.

The risk in overclocking a card is not in repositioning the resistors, but in the electronic stress of changing voltage more quickly by having a higher frequency, thus increasing the energy dissipated within the IC, thus increasing heat and stress within said IC, and shortening its lifespan.  The problem with overclocking is bugger all to do with the soldering operation.

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So I don't really get your "honesty-logic" when you point out that the card is NOT overclocked, yet fail to tell people that its a 040>060 hack-job.

Once again: "Hack job"??? Actually, no. The upgrade iteslf is extremely easy to perform with virtually no risk of damage, given the correct equipment.

The fact is removing a 68040 and replacing it with a 68060 is NOT a stressful operation given the right tools.  Yes, if you use a spade-ended soldering iron then you are going to make a pigs ear out of it.  Had the card undergone any damage during the conversion I would have pointed this out.  It did not.

I was trying to remain respectful of your position, hence taking each - ahem - point one by one, however when I get called a shill bidder I feel the need to defend myself.

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I'm sure there are quite a few people in your position who would just love for there to be some kind of admin restriction placed on "eBay speculation" threads on Amiga.org, because (like deliberately failing to fully inform people of your card's history) it would be very "convenient" for you personally and financially.

That made me laugh, you'll have a hard time trying to find someone who respects personal freedoms - in principal and practise - more than myself.  What exactly is "my position"?    Where exactly have I suggested some sort of Admin restriction?

EDIT> PPC rework (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1549=10) - the flaxy looking bits are leftover flux, rather than damage to the board.  I've tried removing them with a point plastic thing, so as not to damage the board - but I can't get it all off.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: lopos on August 13, 2006, 08:12:03 PM
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JJ wrote:
Would just like to say Boot_wb is an honest guy.  He sold me and others wireless network cards at cost.  He was also very understanding when I took some time to send him the money.  

I Know ebay makes people suspicious( and probably with good cause), but I think far too many people jump to the wrong conclusions far too quickly


I second that.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: jj on August 13, 2006, 08:21:40 PM
where in wales u from lopos
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: lopos on August 13, 2006, 10:01:05 PM
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JJ wrote:
where in wales u from lopos

Blaenau Gwent, 10miles from Newport.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: jj on August 13, 2006, 10:07:53 PM
10 miles from newport is just too damm close to newport in my opinon :)

rhondda boy me
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Olecranon on August 13, 2006, 11:40:18 PM
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by LawlessPPC on 2006/8/13 12:39:45
 
no its not i have one of the very first ones and it cost me £659 plus p&p fom white knight technologies and bare in mind you cannot make an a1200 go quicker than this even now!!!


This makes me chuckle..  And it brings me to the original reason I started this thread.  It befuddles me how anyone can think paying $700+ to get their A1200 to a mind blowing (or perhaps numbing) 240Mhz is a good idea.  Having the fastest A1200 on the planet reminds me a bit of that joke about winning the special olympics.

I have no problems with the Ebay listing.  I'd love to get that kind of crazy money for some decade old hardware.  Anyone want to pay me $400 for a 900Mhz slot type AMD CPU?  :lol:

I know the old saying that something is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it..  But when it comes to classic Amiga equipment, some people just dont know any better.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: steve30 on August 14, 2006, 08:31:46 AM
I saw an overclocked BPPC/060/SCSI sell for abut £500 a few weeks ago.

I think it's because people want them, so will pay alot for them. I paid £110 for my a1200 and 1230, even though I could probably get a low spec PC for that.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: alewis on August 14, 2006, 10:55:12 AM
People will pay what they feel it is worth to them. And why not?

I stuck my heavily modded B2000 on ebay, with a BIN price of £75. Even with all the goodies (GVP 68030, 12MB RAM, Supra SCSI, GVP/IO, FFV, etc etc etc) I din't expect to get much more than £20 for it.

It sold in less than an hour. To a guy in Australia. Who was willing to pay £140 and wait 6-8 weeks to have it shipped out there.

I've spent a small fortune on my Amiga kit over the last 20 years. Most "recently" a PIV and CSPPC/060. The former is still not fitted, the later fitted last Friday. Now its in, I'm sorta wondering what to do next. Maybe stick the Mig in one of the *two* A4K towers... Then finish rebuilding the A1200T I have.

@Boot_WB - good luck with the auction mate, I'm half tempted to stick mine on and revert back to the Warp Engine 040 in my 4K
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: justthatgood on August 14, 2006, 01:37:10 PM
I actually have no problem with blowing their money on stuff.


For some reason I know that when someone blows that much cash on something Amiga, they will put it in their system, do something and have problems and will say "I just spent so and so on this eBay...   ...I can't get it working, this and that"

Usually that is followed by a "now I'm going to have to spend more money on this." Statement.  It's just in this place in time when economies are being pushed to their max, jobs are being cut back, salaries are being stretched, and a lot of other things are acting screwy in the world, I feel that sometimes that kind of spending is a waste.

Somethings when I hear customers complain how they have 20 million house properties they own they have to drop some time into, and own of them have have to put a mere $600 into .

I also I get the type that tell me to hurry up because they have to go sign papers to get some family evicted from their property. Mind you I'm loading very heavy objects and dirty mulch on the plastic in the cargo area of their 2006 Cadillac Escalade ESV, trying not to rip their leather and dirty their light interior.

So when I get someone that is riding in a $65,000 SUV, that gets about about 12 miles (19.31 km) to the gallon fuel economy, tell me that is poor to hurry up so they can kick some working family out of their house that is barely suriving so they can make more money, I get issues when people blow their money on things like that.

It wouldn't have been that bad if it was something a little more modern, or more commerically supported. At least something that has a warranty on it. I don't know I'm just going to crawl back to work.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: coldfish on August 15, 2006, 02:21:27 AM
Good luck to the seller, I'd say.

Personally, I think spending that much on antique computer hardware is a bit strange, but what would you expect from people still using the Amiga after all these years?   :-P

Makes me happy all my Amigas are emulated.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: AmigaHeretic on August 15, 2006, 04:33:13 AM
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Fot this price you van buy a 1GHz PC with a lot of options!


- AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 dual-core processor 3800+ (2 cores both running over 2ghz)
- 2GB PC3200 DDR
- NVIDIA GeForce 6100 graphics with PCI Express x16 expansion
- 5.1-channel audio
- DVD±RW/CD-RW with double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data
- 250GB hard drive
- 7 total USB 2.0 ports
- 3 IEEE 1394 (FireWire) interfaces
- 9-in-1 digital media manager supports CompactFlash, SmartMedia, Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, xD-Picture Card and Microdrive
- 10/100 Mbps Ethernet
- V.92 high-speed data/fax modem
- Multimedia keyboard
- USB optical Mouse
- Stereo speakers
- XP Media Center Edition

$759.99 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7874188&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat73200050029&id=1149040474160)

Not having to run windows though.... well you can't put a price on that.  

AmigaHeretic
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: SHADES on August 15, 2006, 04:55:02 AM
There is just NO way i would pay that ammount of money for such antiquated hardware.
WinUAE will do it so much faster and I don't even need to go PPC to get the speed.

I would sell my 4k if it was working and people would pay that. It's just crazy.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: pierre on August 15, 2006, 05:07:21 AM
Some people... the fact that ppl are willing to pay $700 for an old piece of hard is testament to how COOL AMIGA is!  Sure you can buy a piece of crap pc for that price... the buyer most likely already has one of those.  The fact is that board is cool (no I won't pay that much :-) ) and you cant just go get one...so they are $$$, if you have more time OR CONNECTIONS you can get one cheaper for sure. I agree the seller has done nothing worng per say ( it would be nice if ppl did give a bit more background when they can(you could have), and it's your job to research if they are just flipping stuff on ebay... not that cool...)  anyway I let be happy somebody is willing to pay that much to ENJOY the amiga at its best and sombody else was able to make some money helping make that happen. (not ever deal with be this sweet!)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: pierre on August 15, 2006, 05:10:30 AM
hey shades....it's not working... does it have a ppc?  How much DID YOU SPEND on this box.... 4000ers don't go for that much... give it a shot...(you do have a long shot anybody does!) it's the ppc ppl want!  We are lucky we have ebay to get ANYTHING for the amiga in 2006....;
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: SHADES on August 15, 2006, 05:31:45 AM
@pierre
I just use WinUAE now.
It's faster, still runs everything AMIGA and has the benifit of 100Mbit network and SCSI so all my drives connect native like they did day one.
Oh, and it was much cheaper lol.
I still get all of the AMIGA experience too, even floppy sound emulation lol.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Sparky on August 15, 2006, 05:45:26 AM
Not bad at all ... amiga stuff can fetch good prices when you get some of the more rabid buyers :-)

3 years ago I sold my A4000D with CyberstomPPC/060, CVPPC, soundcard and a few other odds n ends for 880GBP ... and was quite chuffed with that ... ok so I snatched the money out of the guys hands and slammed the door ;-)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: bigpoppa on August 15, 2006, 07:33:22 AM
If I remember correctly I paid slightly over $900 US for my Cyberstorm 68060 (and it doesn't even have the PPC chip on it.)

This auction makes me suspect though.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Vincent on August 15, 2006, 02:02:19 PM
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AmigaHeretic wrote:
$759.99 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7874188&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat73200050029&id=1149040474160)

Now, why do I find that to be funny?  Something to do with the letter G I suppose :-D
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: pierre on August 15, 2006, 03:44:25 PM
Shades... whats your point?  I have winUAE... It's cool you can't run the the toaster of any other FUN ZORRO cards can you...you clearly don't know what the REAL thing has to offer.
All I can say is good for you...enjoy your games. It not like I care (im not buying this thing....)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: maffoo on August 15, 2006, 04:18:02 PM
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SHADES wrote:
@pierre
I just use WinUAE now.
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I still get all of the AMIGA experience too, even floppy sound emulation lol.


I find that UAE just isn't the same as the real thing somehow, which is why I've recently acquired an A1200. Although there's no way I'd spend over £400 on an accelerator for it!

That said, if someone has the money and they'll find a use for it (maybe they want to try MorphOS and don't have space for another computer?) then it's their money. And at least the winner can say they've got one of the fastest Amigas on the planet  :-)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Olecranon on August 15, 2006, 04:58:59 PM
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by bigpoppa on 2006/8/15 1:33:22

If I remember correctly I paid slightly over $900 US for my Cyberstorm 68060 (and it doesn't even have the PPC chip on it.)

This auction makes me suspect though.


I'm not sure I would actually admit to that  :lol:

Unless... you purchased it brand new in the mid 90's when it was state of the art technology.  In 1997 I bought a P2-400Mhz cpu with an ASUS MB that had LVD SCSI for $1000.  So I'm not beyond forking out crazy money on computer hardware.  That was as fast as you could get though.  Everyone at work was amazed because I was pulling 70FPS on quake 2 with dual voodoo 2's  :-D
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: sdyates on August 15, 2006, 06:55:38 PM
Anyone want an A2000 with 030 gvp accelerator and scsi II for some crazy amount of money?

Seriously though, what would you gusy expect something liek that to go for? the A2000?

Afterall, I have two A3000
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: pierre on August 15, 2006, 07:14:02 PM
$50... since you box has nothing special to offer

Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Olecranon on August 15, 2006, 07:46:53 PM
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by sdyates on 2006/8/15 12:55:38

Anyone want an A2000 with 030 gvp accelerator and scsi II for some crazy amount of money?

Seriously though, what would you gusy expect something liek that to go for? the A2000?

Afterall, I have two A3000


My guess..  Probably $100ish usd.  Lets face it, that machine can run 80% of the software that was ever written for the Amiga, so it's a great retro-gaming machine.  It sounds similiar to a machine I just purchased.  It was an A2000 with GVP 50Mhz 68030, Flicker Fixer, and GVP I/O extender card for $150.  Figure $50 for the flicker fixer, so your at $100.  
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: maffoo on August 15, 2006, 07:56:24 PM
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sdyates wrote:
Seriously though, what would you gusy expect something liek that to go for? the A2000?


I recently saw an A2000 on Ebay with a Buy It Now of either £35 or £45 (can't remember which.) I don't think that had an accelerator though, and I'm not sure if anyone bought it (I considered it, but I'd rather have AGA.)
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: tonyvdb on August 15, 2006, 10:22:06 PM
The Amiga was very exspencive when it first came out. I spent almost $3000 on my first A3000T in '93 and then sold it for $2000 two years later and then bought the A4000D and a Video Toaster Flyer system including SCSI drives for video for $5000 and that was in 1995.
A so called High end PC or Mac in the late 90s would have cost you $3000-$4000 as well.
PPCs/Eccelorators for Amiga cant be gotten anywhere new so a person has to pay what the market is willing to no matter what. Look at some of the Antique road shows and see how much some of that collector stuf goes for  :-o
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: bigpoppa on August 17, 2006, 08:28:34 AM
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Olecranon wrote:
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by bigpoppa on 2006/8/15 1:33:22

If I remember correctly I paid slightly over $900 US for my Cyberstorm 68060 (and it doesn't even have the PPC chip on it.)

This auction makes me suspect though.


I'm not sure I would actually admit to that  :lol:

Unless... you purchased it brand new in the mid 90's when it was state of the art technology.  In 1997 I bought a P2-400Mhz cpu with an ASUS MB that had LVD SCSI for $1000.  So I'm not beyond forking out crazy money on computer hardware.  That was as fast as you could get though.  Everyone at work was amazed because I was pulling 70FPS on quake 2 with dual voodoo 2's  :-D


No I'm quite proud of it.  One of the first boards and its a screamer!  Still love the Amiga hardware over the emulation though.  I used to program a lot in Cando and WinUAE is not crazy about how it promotes screens.

To this day that 68060 coupled with a 15K SCSI drive runs circles around most of my hardware, and that includes Macs and PCs in the office with the Amiga.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: x56h34 on August 20, 2006, 10:19:57 PM
Nice ending price.

Not as nice as this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120019953314&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002), however. :-)

I was going to say that this BPPC auction suprisingly enough ended in the range of final bids that CSPPC cards usually go for, however it seems that this particular CSPPC auction has gone up in price accordingly.
Title: Re: $755 and 8 days to go
Post by: Amigaz on August 20, 2006, 11:22:45 PM
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x56h34 wrote:
Nice ending price.

Not as nice as this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120019953314&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002), however. :-)

I was going to say that this BPPC auction suprisingly enough ended in the range of final bids that CSPPC cards usually go for, however it seems that this particular CSPPC auction has gone up in price accordingly.


 :-o hillarious :-o

People never stop to amaze me  :crazy: