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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS 4.x (future) Hardware Compatibility Discussions => Topic started by: Gulliver on November 23, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
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Read about my personal pipe-dream:
http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm
...and feel free to comment
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Love it! Great for us that don't want to wade through cryptic messages having us hunt and peck for various patches. Used it since the last BB update. Thanks much!!
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The compositing version of Intuition isn't something that'll come to 3.x without a lot of work from someone. Then there's cairo, though obviously no m68k apps would use it anyway.
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68k system files in OS4 CD? Mmm.. Very interesting!
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i dont think visual prefs is very best solution. use afa instead. also powerwindows_ng is a very good compatible and stable piece of software to get rid of one of very annoying 68k workbench restrictions.
i am using a lot of these patches on my both main amigas.
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VisualPrefs is a good solution, and afa too.
From my humble point of view, VisualPrefs works great in all systems while afa requires a GFX card and is a bit slower, but nevertheless, great stuff too.
On the other hand, i havent got good memories of PowerwindowsNG, but the concept behind it, is great.
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This thread reminds me of my OS3.9 on MiniMig project, where the task is to find out which bits and pieces of OS3.9+ that can be used with 68000 CPU. With the MiniMig running the 68000 at 28MHz, the speed is that of an A1200, and it's somewhat annoying to find that so much software is 020+ only :)
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@Gulliver
So, you're saying that those files you've put under the BB4 column inside the first 2 tables are 68k files which can be used under 3.9, or have I completely missed the point? And if I'm correct, do context menus actually work under 3.9? That'd be something waaay too cool!
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@gulliver: i remember visual prefs to trash my palette and introduced some settings in env causing it that were really hard to get rid of. afa doesnt work well on less that 16bit. thats true. i was trying to convince bernd to adopt it but he thinks none is using it without a gfx card anyway. i have a little partial fix for that underway. hope this motivates him a little.
as for powerwindows i couldnt live without it anymore. of course the full instalation is needed, including patching kickstart. on one of my machines it is done with blizkick, on another the module is included into a rom flash of the deneb. both works great since years. i cannot recal a single problem, incompatibility, with any software, crash, hangup or even a glitch i had with it. it seems one of very few softwarez on amiga that do not contain any bugs.
what problems did you have? since i would heavily recommend powerwindows for anybody that not only uses his amiga for gaming
btw. posting it from the new 68k netsurf version :D on my a4k!
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wawrzon = wawa ?! :D
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>Read about my personal pipe-dream:
>http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm
>...and feel free to comment
when look at the compare between MOS and OS4 on same Hardware can see that OS4 is slower
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_vs_morphos23.php
also memalloc is slower on OS4
So i think when you run OS4 on a 68060 CPU its slower as classic AOS with AFA also OS4 use more the MMU, need more mem etc.
not sure what OS4 programs you want so you need OS4, but all programs that are on OS4 can on classic too compile, if the Author support it.and with AFA is AOS enhance to support some AOS4 funcs (icon lib)
If the prog OS4 Author not support 68k, then there help also no 68k AOS4
if you want a grimreaper you can run guardianangle with option fatalhits.
then every illegal memory access bring a requester.
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@ratte: yeah. the other nick wasnt available here. so what?:D
because im advocating netsurf everywhere?
edit: ah, i know. i didnt finished it yet. im somehow to addicted to have fast working 3d. ive put too much time into it lately.
btw: bernd, did you check the intuition lib in progress ive sent you. this problem with the resize gadget. check it out
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@kolla
I see your point. Sometime ago, i remeber i created something like 68000 OS 3.9 by adding 3.1 stuff and third party stuff, never too usable though. But, yes you are right, most of todays stuff comes for 020+. So anyway, where did you get to with your OS3.9 on MiniMig project?
@Vulture
As allways, your mileage may vary applies using OS4 stuff on 68k, but yes that stuff is usable. And, ContextMenus works with AmigaOS 3.9, i tested it myself, it requires you have popupmenu.library installed.
By the way, be carefull when picking up the 68k stuff. Files which were 68k on some prerelease versions, are PPC only on final OS4 CDs. To find out which one is PPC only, simply open it with a suitable text editor and if it says ELF at the very beginning of the file (from the second byte onwards), then it is PPC only.
@wawrzon
Please convince Bernd on adding afa support for people that use screens lower than 16bit!
Could you point me out where the last powerwindows version is, i am willing to give it one more try, maybe i was using some old version!
Aminet version of netsurf works great on my WinUAE setup, but it is a pitty it cannot work on my AGA Amiga :(
@Bernd_afa
I agree with what you say... OS4 is slower, and MorphOS is better in far too many technical ways. But my goal was to enhance AmigaOS 3.9 68k functionality and sort of create AmigaOS 4.1 for 68k. I find it really difficult to do it looking on Morphos, as it is 100% PPC code with a tottaly different kernel.
And i was hoping you could reconsider making afa to work with setups with less than 16bit, that would be great, at least for me :)
I didnt knew that GuardianAngel could be something like GrimmReaper, i will test it!
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>But my goal was to enhance AmigaOS 3.9 68k functionality and sort of create AmigaOS >4.1 for 68k
I see in your List, you write for OS4 MUI4.0.thats wrong.OS4 have only a MUI3.9 thats simular to 3.8.
on 68k you can enhance MUI with zune.so can here too reach MUI4 functionality.
>And i was hoping you could reconsider making afa to work with setups with less than >16bit, that would be great, at least for me
AFA work with 8 bit, but the new AFA skin system look not nice.
waewa have done some sysiclass image so it look as old.or you can deactivate it and use visual prefs as before.
But when run the workbench in 16 bit, all is much faster, try it out, because Icons need not remap images not remap and dither etc.
The days of 8 bit OS are over, images and webpages look ugly so all modern OS do not support 8 bit anymore.AROS too not work well on 8 bit, and i not spend work to support 8 bit
even a amiga with a very slow gfx card is in 16 bit faster as on 8 bit when show images or icons.
and a amiga without graphic card, does this somebody use as main System and he have no other system that support 16 bit display ?
sure i know there are a few guys that have a amiag 1200 unaccelaret and they want use it, when there run a modern with 2 megabyte ram, show with copperlists more than 256 colors, but i know thats not possible so not work on it.
I see you ignore AFA complete in your compare list btw.
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MUI4 is available for OS4 !? wasn't it stalled at 3.9? damn, i lost the news about that.
Interesting/funny initiative indeed the one you had here.., you was also fast adding OpenSSL 1b4 ;-)
Edit: i think the OWB entry is wrong..
Edit2: damn Bernd, you was fast regarding MUI4 ;)
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@bernd_afa
I am not wrong, OS4.1 comes with MUI 4.
I have just checked on my OS4.1 cd! And yes they are quite similar, but a ton of 68k bugs were fixed on the 3.9/4.0 process, just see the changelog/history. However, I agree that Zune is a better option, and has some sort of MUI4 functionality, but then it is only for GFX card users.
I think you are right in saying that 16bit screens are faster and the way to go, but then most Amigas, dont have a GFX card!, and that is my point. Not only 68000 barebone users, in fact, there are quite a lot of 68030 and 68040 users out there with plenty of Fast RAM, but without a GFX card! So please reconsider!
Anyway, i added afa to the website :) with the corresponding link
@dcr8520
OWB got the link fixed! Thanks
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@gulliver
Actually OS4 has MUI 3.9, MOS has MUI 4. So, what about the thing I asked you? Are the files you listed from OS4 for 68k and run under 3.9? Or did you mean something different?
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@wawrzon
Please convince Bernd on adding afa support for people that use screens lower than 16bit!
Could you point me out where the last powerwindows version is, i am willing to give it one more try, maybe i was using some old version!
Aminet version of netsurf works great on my WinUAE setup, but it is a pitty it cannot work on my AGA Amiga :(
i have my powerwindows_ng from aminet here:
http://aminet.net/util/misc/PowerWindowsNG.lha
most likely it is what you have tried. the installation with need to patch the kickstart to reach the whole functionality is a little annoying and subject to try and error, i admit. but when set up it works flawlessly. might be that the version for unpatched rom is less stable, how it is mentioned in the documentation afair.
powerwindows biggest limitation is that as it needs kickstart to be patched either in rom or on the fly by blizkick or similar it is useless on uae i suspect. this is probably the reason why it is underestimated. but as it is been open sourced soewhere around 2000 it could be integrated in a bigger project such as for instance afa_os. also aros is providing similar features, how about using this approach? bernd, that would be my requested featur for afa_4.7. i swear i never witnessed that it breaks any amiga compatiblity.
@Bernd_afa
what concerns <16 bit support it is not about unexpanded amiga fanboyism but only about ergonomics, usability and aesthetics. even on gfx expanded systems there is sometimes need to open 8bit screen or even aga or ecs. it should functionally supported for the sole reason that it is available. otherwise it is like letting a program to run into a known error without handling it. a good program should not look trashed beyond return, on any display. it is unacceptable.
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Yes, they are usefull under 3.9, but not all of them, so test with caution. And as said before, ContextMenus works provided you install popupmenu.library which you can find on aminet and according to Doobrey/Ratte, trackdisk.device doesnt. But please have in mind i also picked up stuff from prerelease OS4 versions too.
And.... once and for all:
OS 4 -> MUI 3.9
OS 4.1 -> MUI 4 -> MUI 20.294 (26.06.2008) (c) 1992-2008 Stefan Stuntz, AmigaOS4/PPC
I have both AmigaOS cds so i am not kidding! (Anyway it is no big issue itself)
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@wawrzon
Thanks, i will use powerwindows, will tweak it, bend it, until it works as intended!
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I just checked on my 4.0 CD and the PlayCD program is V52.2, not 50.5. It also is a ELF PPC only program but it loads and seems to work fine on my OS3.9 A3000T.
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@Vulture
As allways, your mileage may vary applies using OS4 stuff on 68k, but yes that stuff is usable. And, ContextMenus works with AmigaOS 3.9, i tested it myself, it requires you have popupmenu.library installed.
Bug-fix patch for this library:
http://www.sintonen.fi/sw/pmlib-10.8.6-fix.lha
There is a patch for version 10.10.1 in the same website, but where do we find this version?
By the way, be carefull when picking up the 68k stuff. Files which were 68k on some prerelease versions, are PPC only on final OS4 CDs. To find out which one is PPC only, simply open it with a suitable text editor and if it says ELF at the very beginning of the file (from the second byte onwards), then it is PPC only.
Or use this:
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=utility/shell/list68k.lha
I haven't tried it myself.
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@kolla
I see your point. Sometime ago, i remeber i created something like 68000 OS 3.9 by adding 3.1 stuff and third party stuff, never too usable though. But, yes you are right, most of todays stuff comes for 020+. So anyway, where did you get to with your OS3.9 on MiniMig project?
It works? :)
The kickstart I've created is fully updated with all relevant 3.9+ updates, like ram-handler, shell, fastfilesystem, scsi.device, bootmenu etc, and it boots fine. Most of programs in C: also work, with some exceptions (one is odd one is MakeDir - what could MakeDir benefit from 020+??), and also most libs work, and most datatypes. Workbench.library and icon.library also work, as long as I dont update to those beyond BB2. MultiView also works.
What doesnt work are all the ReAction programs of OS3.9. I went through all the classes and replaced those who caused crashes with those from older ClassAct, and that works well for all non-OS Reaction/ClassAct programs, but the big obstacle for the OS programs is the 020+ libs:resource.library it seems.
Oh, and AWNPipe works too, albeit rather slowly :)
VincEd also works, but I think I downgraded to a version from Aminet for it to do so, I'm not quite sure. Anyways, it's a bit too much for the poor thing, so I rather use regular shell + KingCON, or ZShell from aminet. On my wish list though, is ROM-able KingCON for 68000, so that it can be dropped in for CON: and RAW: directly rom kickstart. This is possible with KingCON 1.8 that comes with Amikit, but that one is 020+ only.
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@dannyp1
Sounds a bit odd! i tested it myself and got: file is not executable (CLI) and failed return code 10 (WB). By the way, the executable attribute was properly set. So please check again
@AmigaMance
I dont know either where to get popupmenu.library 10.10.1 :(
List68k works only in PPC :)
@kolla
Wow, you must have spent quite some time to accomplish that! if i have more time, i will play with that concept once more. Anyway, publishing the entire package list for 3.9 on 68000 would be an interesting addition to put in on my website!
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>it should functionally supported for the sole reason that it is available. otherwise it is like >letting a program to run into a known error without handling it. a good program should not >look trashed beyond return, on any display. it is unacceptable.
Yes of course all bitdepths bit work without crash.i use too some programs that work on 8 bit aga screen some time.and here it is better to do not show any skin and use old AOS look.
when AGA program use a 16 color screen, then a visual prefs skin look too not nice.
But what i mean is use Workbench in 8 bit is not need or if a User need it, he dont need the new skin, because the skins need so much Pens that there are no pens free for other images or Icons.
so all in all also use of birdie/visual prefs is not usefull when you use only 256 colors or AGA.it slow system too much down on AGA and use too much Pens only for Skin/window buttons show show.and missing pens give then more ugly look.
and thats what AFA do with new skin system, when use 256 or less colors, windows look same as on original AOS and need not more pens and are as fast as on normal AOS
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bernd_afa:
i posted an idea on a1k how to convert 24/15bit to an 8bit (216 color) palette.
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=297809
with locked colortable this should be a way to handle 8bit screens.
just an idea.
@kolla:
icon45.5 and wb.lib 45.127 are the latest 68000 compatible ;)
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@kolla:
icon45.5 and wb.lib 45.127 are the latest 68000 compatible ;)
I know - however, as I pointed out on this EAB thread (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=613568) (sorry for the rerun here, hehe)...
45.1 - works fine, displays newicons/colouricons, png icons seems to be ignored, fair enough
45.1.6 - works fine as long as no newicons/colouricons show upare present, as that leads to a reboot, a strangely colourfull reboot even
45.5 - works fine, doesnt show newicons/colouricons though, as far as I can see
45.5.5 - same as above, and then something that really pussles me - when I just run "version icon.library" in shell, it says "icon.library 45.4", but only after workbench is load - what's going on?
(http://kolla.no/icon.library.jpg)
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45.5.5 - same as above, and then something that really pussles me - when I just run "version icon.library" in shell, it says "icon.library 45.4", but only after workbench is load - what's going on?
Version command is a bit special. Unless if you specify FILE/S option it will look into memory first. If nothing is found from memory it will only then look for disk file (all locations LIBS: multiassign points to, and the first matching entry is used).
This is what happens.
Additionally sometimes library $VER: tag and library lib_Version/lib_Revision are in disagreement. In this case you get different version/revision depending on FILE/S.
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>with locked colortable this should be a way to handle 8bit screens.
>just an idea.
yes its possible but please write a formular that work fast to find the correct color.
256 colors are only fast enough if you still have a GFX Card.when you want use AGA all more than 64 colors slow much down.
But if you have a GFX Card you can use 16 bit mode and need no 8 bit.
when you load a Icon, or image, for every palette entry need search in the palette a color that is close to the color in the image.You need decide on what tolerance you want alloc a new pen entry.you can also use a fixed pallette, but this slow color finding lots down, because all 256 entries must search for best matching color.
when you have a image that is truecolor and have 1 Million Pixels(the cheapest handy have 1 megapixel resolution), then for every of the 1 Million pixels you need in the 256 color palette search for a matching color.
this make average 128 Millions searches.and when your CPU have only 50 MHZ, need more than 3 sec.but it should be sure, that for search of the best color every color check need more than 10 CPU clocks.So we are at 15sec to show this image.but not all users have a 060/50 CPU.so its more slower.
this work as soon there are not much diffrent images to show.But sooner or later you have diffrent colored images and get also with optimized palette problems.
try some pictures with much green or a face or something like this.
so you see optimize palette is way too slow to be usefull.only can do is do a formular and do the 256 color alloc as 2 bit red 3 bit green 3 bit blit value.
but this look ugly too, because most Icons do not fit in this sheme and look ugly.
also when a User have AGA he can only use 640*256 64 colors, all is gone more worse.
its very bad quality, so i cant believe if there somebody really use his amiga today as Main Computer and have no GFX Card
I have ask the question often, but get no answer.
Who have only a amiga and no other computer and use only 256 color screens ?
maybe we can make a poll.
and if somebody have another system he can use UAE on this and 16 bit screen to see the pictures in full quality.
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I believe a lot of people still use their Amiga with no Graphics card, other then the indivision flicker fixer. Have you seen the prices of cards these days? They are almost impossible to find as people are hording them. I can get a hold of just about (excluding tower systems) every model of Amiga way easier that finding a Picasso card. In the last year alone, I have gotten a hold of just about everything but a card. I may be getting in a 3000T very soon (keeping fingers crossed) and I thank God it has a flicker fixer built right in so I don't have to pay for another Indivision card for it. At least the Indivision cards are easy to get. Price is another issue all together.
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Er, there have been at least 3-4 Picasso II boards on eBay that sold in the $100 range (some cheaper, like $70) in the last month or two alone. Picasso IV is another story, obviously, but I think there are enough RTG boards to go around if you don't need an integrated scandoubler.
edit: and if you want new, Softhut was supposed to be putting some Spectrum boards out (ZIII anyone?): http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/gvp_spectrum.html&cart_id=4661352_82831 albeit at a slightly higher price than used cards.
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I agree, let's make a poll. Who still uses a classic Amiga for everyday work with no RTG card? Results from a poll like this will help with market research for Amiga developers.
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@kola:
icon45.5(and Ibf-version) can display newicons, you just need iprefs and wb.config-prefs setted to newicons.
the presettings are for "old 3.1"-icons for higher compatiblity for use in kick3.x-roms.
the 45.5 / 45.4 mysterium is reported by perterk,too.
he found out, that wb.lib 45.1xx is opening icon.lib 45.4 (ecxactly x.4 .. not 4 or higher).
All you can do is ... patch wb.lib to 45.132 and fix that shit
or simply remove 45.4 from (hard)disk and leave 45.5
@bernd_afa:
if you take a look at my example code, you will notice, taht there is no "search for the best possible color" is needed.
it is working with "killing some bits per color" and a table system.
no searching, just a small pice of code:
morph:
; d0 15Bit color (%000rrrrrgggggbbbbb)
lea converter,a3 ; colortable
add.l d0,a3
move.b (a3),d1
; d1 pennumber for matching 8bit color
and special colortable.
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Please anyone reading this, please take the time to answer the poll that @Cammy suggested!
I hope everyone understands that a real Amiga is not either Amithlon, WinUAE, ect.!
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In general people using classic amiga hardware has no gfx card, i bet for it.
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Some users sent me PM regarding ContextMenus on working on 68k, i have just found out, there is a neat replacement which was PD and for AmigaOS 3.5 and up.
The programm ContextSAS by Andre Dörffler provides the possibility to create and use context sensitive menus for AmigaOS3.5+. The DefIcons system is supported. With some additional tools it is possible to iconify Workbench windows and to create system links.
Version 1.72 of ContextSAS and version 1.34 of ContextPref this time mostly bugs were wiped out and the look was polished. Some new features wee added:
* AutoSelect: Selects icons at the WBDesktop automatically.
* Title: Shows the object name as title.
* Prefeences: The internal menus can be configured now.
I gave it a quick look and found out it could be even better than the OS4 version.
But here comes the sad part. It is not in Aminet, and the author´s site vanished around 2007! So i did some searching and....
What a wonderfull creation "The Wayback Machine"!
Courtesy of them you can see some screenshots of the program and download the latest version at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061011114947/www.and-software.de/programme_de.htm
Hope it is usefull!
Just be patient, The wayback machine is quite slow!
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In the Poll does not stand i have only a amiga with no GFX Card AND i use it as Main system for E-Mail image processing and surfing.
>In general people using classic amiga hardware has no gfx card, i bet >for it.
I know that there are lots amigas used for play games, and lots that want run firefox at a A1200 with 2 megabyte of RAM and show truecolor pictures that look same es on the PC.
But if this not here, then they dont use Amiga for that. ;-)
and reaching this quality is not possible without GFX Card.So i need not try it out.
>no searching, just a small pice of code:
>morph:
>; d0 15Bit color (%000rrrrrgggggbbbbb)
>lea converter,a3 ; colortable
>add.l d0,a3
>move.b (a3),d1
>; d1 pennumber for matching 8bit color
ok this work fast, but quality is bad.On AFA obtainBestPen func can change to work with such a palette.
But i think when i add this to AFA there come soon some comments, AOS do better quality on 8 bit.
Or maybe the solution is to convert all images in grey images when use 8 bit.there are some guys that like black white fotos so they can use a black white computer.maybe that bring more amiga Users
;-)
AFA is opensource, feel free to add this and PNG Icon show this.
wawa work on enhance AFA too and he have add nicer window Buttons on 8 bit modes.
I have no time for a feature i dont need.
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I answered NO in the poll BUT after using my 1200 for the past few months for more than just gaming, I am building out a 4000T system with an RTG and all the goodies. I am looking forward to driving my LCD monitor at it's native 1280x1024 resolution so that fonts don't look blurry, etc. I have been using the 1200 with the Indivision AGA with only 32 colors and even things like scrolling text is pretty slow. Back in the day when I used to program with kseka on my A500, I'd use a program called oneBPL to set up 2 color mode and scrolling was very fast! I'm hoping that a RTG video card gives me that kind of experience but with 16 or 24bit color!
It's all new to me!
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Great work!
Ok so one of the biggest issues with things like these boing bags and updates with soo many places to get files is this:
The links get old, stale and disappear. There are already broken links on the Boing Bag 3 section. Such as the 060 dl for xadmaster. There were others too. It would be nice to merge all these updates into as few files as possible and mirror them in as many places as possible
It would be even better if there was an installer or at least a merged, patched archive of the files to extract over a fresh install. I am assuming that most of the problems with this approach are in licensing?
Can we get the authors' permissions to make a concerted effort and installer? If we have to, we can have two (hopefully that few) archives. One for the quick and simple install it and be done approach and another that contains all the original files linked to on your site and others that may be needed for the finished product.
You can even have the installer request the user to put discs in the drive for proof of purchase for things that come from the Amiga OS 3.9, Amigs OS 4.0 for Classics CDs as well as 3.1 floppies. As much of a PITA as that would be for the installing user.
Goal #1: Make it simple
Goal #2: Preserve it for future use
Goal #3: Get it out there (everywhere)
Thoughts?
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I'm hoping that a RTG video card gives me that kind of experience but with 16 or 24bit color!
RTG makes a HUGE difference, it's definitely worth the effort, and a major reason I built another machine besides my 1200 (BPPC and BVision combo would've cost far more than I spent purchasing and upgrading my 3000T.)
It would be nice to have the option to use some of this stuff on AGA only (and maybe even ECS) machines, but the limitations are pretty rough. It stinks that the desktop (1200, 600, 500) machines get left out of the fun as they're definitely cool systems, though I'd like to see the 500 and 600s with the horsepower to run these crazy browsers.
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Come on guys... if you want to run AFA on classic hardware, buy a PCI busboard and put your A1200 in a tower.. or get a BVision. Asking bernd to get AFA running flawless on a stock A1200 is a pretty ridiculous request!! :P Even with an '060, 256 color AGA modes are slow as hell.
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@Gulliver
Now you have written AFA in the line of MUI.
But in GUI line still stand - visual prefs
AFA is here to add the most important functions that make OS4 far ahead in compare to AOS 3.9.
AFA enhance GUI, have system wide truetype fonts and antialiasing, support 32 bit OS4 Icons, picture datatype with alphachannel,realtime skin system, that can scale border to any size very fast.truecolor Icons can scale in realtime and can faster show
look here, many features OS4 dont have.
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/215.png
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/136.png
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Screenshots/146.png
there are more screenshots
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/afa_screenshot_upload.php
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@nyteschayde
I totally agree. Then get the permisions from the authors, make the scripts and i will put them online!
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I answered NO in the poll BUT after using my 1200 for the past few months for more than just gaming, I am building out a 4000T system with an RTG and all the goodies. I am looking forward to driving my LCD monitor at it's native 1280x1024 resolution so that fonts don't look blurry, etc. I have been using the 1200 with the Indivision AGA with only 32 colors and even things like scrolling text is pretty slow. Back in the day when I used to program with kseka on my A500, I'd use a program called oneBPL to set up 2 color mode and scrolling was very fast! I'm hoping that a RTG video card gives me that kind of experience but with 16 or 24bit color!
It's all new to me!
Yes, it will make a hell of a difference. Even an A2000 with a gfx card blows AGA out of the water. Obviously, it's still much slower than emulated RTG (or Pegasos etc), but fast enough to be enjoyable/usable.
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@gulliver
nice finding this contextSAS as all the versions of contextmenus I could find (pre-release even) wouldn't work! thx!
@bernd
I think there should be an option to use AFA_OS with Ratte's solution under 8bit screens for ppl who want it, just optional and anyone does what he likes. I know I'll use it....
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@kolla:
icon45.5(and Ibf-version) can display newicons, you just need iprefs and wb.config-prefs setted to newicons.
Yes, so I thought, but I never got it to work on 68000. Since the prefs programs dont work directly on the minimig, I just made settings on a different machine and copied them over, but no success. I can try a bit harder, using the drive image of the minimig directly on UAE, and see if I get it working there.
the 45.5 / 45.4 mysterium is reported by perterk,too.
he found out, that wb.lib 45.1xx is opening icon.lib 45.4 (ecxactly x.4 .. not 4 or higher).
All you can do is ... patch wb.lib to 45.132 and fix that shit
or simply remove 45.4 from (hard)disk and leave 45.5
Oh, so if I have 45.4 there as libs:icon.library_45.4 then wb.lib 45.1xx will find it? And even stranger - 45.4 then works on 68000? :)
Btw - is 45.5.5 even a legal version string in AmigaOS? Note that this _only_ happens with 45.5.5, not 45.5 - I think only two numbers are allowed, and that this is what causes the problem. As for patching wb.lib, no can do - 45.127 is final version for a 68000, at least for now ;)
Edit: Never mind - I finally read the answers I got on EAB, now I do get it :)
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@nyteschayde
I totally agree. Then get the permisions from the authors, make the scripts and i will put them online!
You've got a PM.
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And.... once and for all:
OS 4 -> MUI 3.9
OS 4.1 -> MUI 4 -> MUI 20.294 (26.06.2008) (c) 1992-2008 Stefan Stuntz, AmigaOS4/PPC
I have both AmigaOS cds so i am not kidding! (Anyway it is no big issue itself)
I use OS 4.1 with all the updates and both MUI/Readme.AmigaOS4 and the MUI prefs program indicate "MUI 3.9". "version full muimaster.library" returns
muimaster.library 20.2290 (27-Jul-2008)
(c) 1992-2008 Stefan Stuntz, AmigaOS4/PPC
I believe 20.x versions are the 3.x ones, don't know what version uses MUI 4.0.
Varthall
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@bernd, ratte:
i actually do not care much about the quality of remapping only that i dont want an obviously trashed display. a simple but fast way is fine with me and i believe even if it doesnt look perfectly it will still look better that what afa at the moment displays <16bit. and people will not complain. i myself have gfx boards in my main amigas, p4 and voodoo, and some cv64 lying around, but i want to have aga and <16bit option under afa.
also i like an idea of monochrome workbench. if need be. lately i tested my skin and original workbench look at 1680x1050 in pure blackandwhite. it looked great!
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Er, there have been at least 3-4 Picasso II boards on eBay that sold in the $100 range (some cheaper, like $70) in the last month or two alone. Picasso IV is another story, obviously, but I think there are enough RTG boards to go around if you don't need an integrated scandoubler.
edit: and if you want new, Softhut was supposed to be putting some Spectrum boards out (ZIII anyone?): http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/gvp_spectrum.html&cart_id=4661352_82831 albeit at a slightly higher price than used cards.
Umm, how do I say this without sounding sarcastic? The stuff available on E-bay.COM IS NOT the same stuff on EBAY.CA. Most US sellers refuse to ship to Canada and therefore doesn't show up on Ebay.ca. I have found it useless to even look at ebay.com because the attututed of most American sellers. I use to spend hours sending e-mails asking "will you ship to Canada" and now I have just given up. Bottom line, if it doesn't show up on Ebay.ca, it doesn't exist.
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Bottom line, if it doesn't show up on Ebay.ca, it doesn't exist.
..Most of the Amiga stuff isn't in Canada (what the hell is?) and a whole lot of it isn't in the US. Most European Amiga sellers ship internationally in my experience, and any seller in the US who knows about the international Amiga market will as well. If you want to be a feeb and not search worldwide, bottom line, you're just going to miss out on alot of Amiga stuff that you could've gotten. Complaining about it just makes you look ridiculous. I've personally bought 3 or 4 video boards in the last year from international sellers, at decent prices.
edit: Let me at least try and be a little helpful and explain exactly how this works.
Log in to your eBay.ca
Do a search
Check the "Worldwide" option
The results you see will only be auctions that are listed as shipping worldwide or to your country.
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I've personally bought 3 or 4 video boards in the last year from international sellers, at decent prices.
Aboma is going to put an end to that. Amiga's are valuable and the U.S. dollars is not :P. More Amiga users will probably start selling overseas. I've got some Amiga hardware to sell but I might as well wait for the dollar to drop another 30% or 40% first. The Fed isn't going to raise rates until we have 10% core inflation and they will still be saying that inflation is not a problem. That's why I own oil, silver, oil, Amiga's, oil, copper, Amiga's, gold and Amiga's :).
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..Most of the Amiga stuff isn't in Canada (what the hell is?) and a whole lot of it isn't in the US. Most European Amiga sellers ship internationally in my experience, and any seller in the US who knows about the international Amiga market will as well. If you want to be a feeb and not search worldwide, bottom line, you're just going to miss out on alot of Amiga stuff that you could've gotten. Complaining about it just makes you look ridiculous. I've personally bought 3 or 4 video boards in the last year from international sellers, at decent prices.
edit: Let me at least try and be a little helpful and explain exactly how this works.
Log in to your eBay.ca
Do a search
Check the "Worldwide" option
The results you see will only be auctions that are listed as shipping worldwide or to your country.
Yes, thats what I do, but like I said, you will see a whole different list.In fact sometimes we see an item, but once you click on it, is says "Sorry,Auction Item XXXXX is blocked for your country" I have gotten 2 A600's for the UK now by searching world wide. But the FACT remains, you see a whole lot more in the US than Canada.
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Aboma is going to put an end to that. Amiga's are valuable and the U.S. dollars is not :P. More Amiga users will probably start selling overseas. I've got some Amiga hardware to sell but I might as well wait for the dollar to drop another 30% or 40% first. The Fed isn't going to raise rates until we have 10% core inflation and they will still be saying that inflation is not a problem. That's why I own oil, silver, oil, Amiga's, oil, copper, Amiga's, gold and Amiga's :).
If the US dollar was at the level that Bill Clinton left it at before George Bush and a Republican House and Senate were in power everything would look alot rosier right now ;)
We've cut the taxes, now where's the trickle down?
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@nyteschayde
PM sent! Lets give it a try! :)
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>I think there should be an option to use AFA_OS with Ratte's solution under 8bit screens >for ppl who want it, just optional and anyone does what he likes. I know I'll use it....
Does OS4 work in 8 bit Mode on Workbench, or the cyberstorm OS4 Version work without GFX Card ?
From MOS i kwow it do not work in 8 bit.I test Chaos Pro which is a fraktal program that support animation thru color cycling of 8 bit palette.colorcycling work well with AFA, but on MOS Cyberstorm color cycling do not work.so it seem not support 8 bit screens also not on custom screens and Cyberstorm.A AGA display i also cant open.
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@bernd: i do not care if os4 or mos or aros support 8bit or not. it is os3.x after all and since it supports 8bit afa should support it too if only in a fallback mode to guarantee readibility and usibility of such resolutions. by the way os4 supports 8bit as far as i recall, i do not know why it should not. and our aim is to be better than os4;D. so quit arguing, bernd, it doesnt hurt to implement it. the pople that do not need it will not notice, others will bless you.
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>by the way os4 supports 8bit as far as i recall,
try out what OS4 do, when it should show a PNG Icon or a OS4 Icon on a AGA /8 bit workbench and how Skins look.
>it is os3.x after all and since it supports
As you can see all modern OS do not support 8 bit in desktop, so it doesnt matter if its AOS for amiga or windows for X86.
>the pople that do not need it will not notice, others will bless you.
right most do not notice it and the other few that want use AFA Workbench on 8 bit need only remove icon library in AFA and new skin system and all is as before.
Users that dont want use a 16 bit desktop, just need no enhanced Icon library, the old is good enough.
the trick explain at a1k Forum is not usefull for AGA Users,because AGA can not show 256 colors in acceptable speed.
the screenshot is done on 1024*768, no AGA system can show in acceptable speed.
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If the US dollar was at the level that Bill Clinton left it at before George Bush and a Republican House and Senate were in power everything would look alot rosier right now ;)
We've cut the taxes, now where's the trickle down?
First we were BushWacked by a bad capitalist spendocrat and now we have a good socialist spendocrat Abomanation whose change from Bush is to spend more. It's always blindly throw more money at a problem in this country. No accountability. I say, let the tax payers keep the fruits of their labor rather than take it away from them to waste. Money gives freedom and taxes take away freedom. Many will throw their money away but there is enough that wisely use their money. Socialism takes away every ones money and makes them equally poor. There is only false security in the idea of a socialist utopia. Name one rich highly socialist country that is not very fiscally responsible. Capitalism did not fail. It made us the wealthiest country in the world. It is wasteful spending, ignorance, arrogance (including Aboma's on economics) and immorality that is destroying this country. We had the right recipe for wealth but we abandoned it. We need to return but it seems that I'm one of only a handful of true conservatives and patriots left in this once great country. Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and I see it and get it but we are unelectable conspiracy theorists that the masses will not recognize until it's too late. Ron Paul was right about voting against the war in Iraq, trying to stop Barney Franks putting people in houses they couldn't afford, the flaws and lack of transparency in the Fed, value of commodities, etc. So we give Barney Franks more power and take away power from Ron Paul who has nailed it. The truth doesn't matter in this country any more. The people are too ignorant and immoral. Barney Franks for president! Let's go ahead and put this country out of it's misery. At least we won't be an anchor to the rest of the world economy then. My money is out of the U.S. dollar and prepared for hyper-inflation. Is yours? My wealth has increased in these economic times and not just in dollar terms. Has yours? I will continue to be able to afford new Amiga's in other currencies than the U.S. dollar. Are you prepared?
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@bernd
Would you at least consider to support 15-bit screens? For BVision users like me, it saves memory and speed as I'm on 1600x900 desktop. Furthermore, about the 8-bit mode, I do open screens of 1920x1080x8bit (wordworth, dopus4 etc) that need no more than 256 colors, but look plain ugly without afaos, while the rest of the system looks great. Please give it some thought before rulling it out.
Also, are you aware that AFA-OS has some sort of conflict with Powerwindows iconify function? Placing windows out of sight works fine, but the iconify function (which iconifies ANY window, whether it has an iconify gadget or not) won't work if afaos is loaded. Would it be possible to check it out plz?
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>Would you at least consider to support 15-bit screens? For BVision users like me, it saves >memory and speed as
15 bit screens do not save memory.when you choose a 15 bit mode 1 bit is always unused.all date need in real 2 bytes and thats 16 bit.
So use of 15 bit screen is not need and give slightly worser quality.
>I do open screens of 1920x1080x8bit (wordworth, dopus4 etc) that need no more than >256 colors, but look plain ugly without afaos
You mean look plain ugly with AFA OS ?
Here wawa is working to make nicer window buttons, so the white box for window gadgets is gone.with AFA skin system windows in 8 bit look same as standard AOS, you can switch off AFA skin system and use Visual prefs then.
Best is always use same resolution as workbench desktop, because a screen switch is then lots faster.and as soon you get a TFT, you cant use diffrent resolutions, because picture get unsharp when you use a resolution diffrent to TFT native resolution.
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>Also, are you aware that AFA-OS has some sort of conflict with Powerwindows iconify >function? Placing windows out of sight works fine, but the iconify function (which iconifies >ANY window, whether it has an iconify gadget or not) won't work if afaos is loaded. >Would it be possible to check it out plz?
The problem with powerwindows is same as with kingcon or other programs that create a own icon when no Icon is find for that action.
You need look with snoopdos(the filename) or in the powerwindow doc how can change the Icon for the iconifired window view.
then you need copy a Icon to the place and with correct name so powerwindow use this Icon.In the AFA doku it is explain more detailed what to do
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Well...
Interesting topic. But...
1. Is there anyone that had installed and used ALL this updates so far? Is there any kind of screen shot of a final workbench under all those add ons in order to take an idea if all those modifications are worth the try?
2. Having installed Amikit and AmigaSYS on a real Amiga -actually on my 4000 PPC on different partitions and yes AmigaSYS is faster- is it worth the try to go through all those updates installing em upon a new 3.9 on a clean partition? Will I get something much different?
3. If I will decide to go through this I will make all the install on a 1200T with PPC and Bvision.
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Yes, you will get something different! You will get the most AmigaOS 4.1 like experience one could ever get with a 68k!
I have used updates mentioned, unluckily, i didnt make a screenshot in time, and i got a harddisk failure on my 2GB 2.5" ide drive (It was too old!). Now i am in the process of rebuilding that setup on a flash disk solution.
Anyway, it depends on what you want to do:
AmigaOS 3.9 + lots of nice & cool stuff: AmiKit, AmigaSYS and ClassicWB
AmigaOS 3.9 with OS4.1 functionality: BoingBag4
Besides, on BoingBag4 there are several alternatives, for each component, so you may choose the one that suits you most!
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@gulliver
ah, sorry for going off-topic.... What I've tried so far is the contextmenus, which do not work on my system. To be exact, they do run and they do appear as commodity in exchange and as I r-click on an icon it's highlighted, but no menu. Maybe my WB is overpatched and something prevents it from openning the menu. I have popupmenu.library 10.10 with Piru's fix applied. PlayCD opens its window, but crashes soon after.
@bernd_afa
Man, thx for all the explaining :) Now, you mean next afa_os version will have gadgets in <16bit screens instead of white boxes? That sounds just about right. About Powerwindows...well, even if I disable the iconify gadget from the powerwindows prefs and just try with the hotkey I've defined, the iconify function won't work. I'll take a look at what you said, but I think it's kinda different as PW's method does not require a gadget to be drawn. And it's a great function to have really....
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@Vulture
ContextMenus works great, see attached screenshots. I am using popupmenu.library 10.8.6. Where did you find that version, could you share that file?, perhaps that particular version triggers some bug.
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And... PlayCD from OS4 also works, see attached screenshot, playing audio
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In general people using classic amiga hardware has no gfx card, i bet for it.
I'll accept that bet! I think many people still using Classic Amiga computers have graphics cards for them. I have a graphic card in all my A2000's, A3000's and A4000's. I even tried to get a graphic card working with my A500 with a Sling-Shot Pro, but it would not work with my GVP A530, so I gave up on that idea. Although not strictly a graphics card in the sense that it will provide 16bit, or 24bit screens, the IndivisionECS and IndivisionAGA have greatly improved the screen displays of many more old classic Amiga computers.
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Read about my personal pipe-dream:
http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm
...and feel free to comment
Great timing! I just replaced the hdd in my A1200 w/1260&SCSI-2 256mb Fast RAM with a 4gb drive and can use this info to maximize the performance of it. I have never had a Classic Amiga with this much Fast RAM before and would like to get as up to date as possible with wireless networking and it already has an IndivisionAGA installed and a Subway USB controller. Very powerful for such a compact Amiga. With WHDLoad key I should be able to enjoy lots of old games too.
Thanks again and keep updating it please.
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>take a look at what you said, but I think it's kinda different as PW's method does not >require a gadget to be drawn. And it's a great function to have really....
what does PW do, when you iconify a window ?
I think it draw a Gadget on workbench desktop.and i think this Gadget thats draw on worlbench can customize so you can use a own Gadget.and when you use a own Gadget it should work.
>Now, you mean next afa_os version will have gadgets in <16bit screens instead of white >boxes?
Here is a screenshot how AFA currently look on < 16 bit screens with the work of wawa.there need 2 Gadgets to do
http://www.daten-transport.de/ansicht.php?id=ZH35f56kFb4n
On default borders the buttons are correct center, the center problem is because i use larger borders.
to get chaos pro working well its important that the window borders do not use other colors than amiga default first 8 colors.
when its possible to use AFA or birdie skins on 8 bits, then there need 16 or more color Pens for this or the skin must remap and look more ugly as amiga default look
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@gulliver
Man, that means I need some serious "debugging" to do on my system to see what causes these problems. It's great that it works though, that means that I will eventually make it work here too! Did you create any menus before using the contextmenu as described in the command manual? I'll PM you about the popupmenu library.
@bernd_afa
what PW does is by hitting a hotkey (in my case ralt + i) to iconify a window, but the term "iconify" is kinda misleading here. It actually creates a small piece of workbench window titlebar with a close gadget (that's optional) which can be moved around the desktop as if it were a workbench window, thus eating as much space as an icon, while having the flexibility of a window. It even has an option to lock its position and to uniconify all iconified windows. I hope I explained it well, if not, I'll make an image and upload it somewhere. It's good to see that we'll get gadgets on <16bit screens with afaos!
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@bernd: you ve posted a screenshot where most of the gadgets are still the messy ones. actually only the close gadget is in place and the resize gadget looks more like it should allthough it is still misplaced. best working and closest to what i want to achieve are scroll gadgets for now and thex do not schow up.
the problem is it is still a lot of trial and error to get a desirable look just drawing the lines. especially 3d look is sometimes little complicated in detail. i hope i will able to finish soon when back in berlin.
@vulture: do you need powerwindows inconify gadget if you have this option in afa? you can disable this feature in pw prefs.
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@wawrzon
I've disabled the iconify gadget in PW already, but the hotkey won't work either, that's the problem. What stops PW iconify function from working, I don't have, as I said, the gadget enabled.
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>what PW does is by hitting a hotkey (in my case ralt + i) to iconify a window, but the >term "iconify" is kinda misleading here. It actually creates a small piece of workbench >window titlebar with a close gadget (that's optional) which can be moved around the >desktop as if it were a workbench window
now i understand what you mean, i know this feature too, but when i boot without AFA (press left mousebutton during boot) all is same as with AFA
when i press on the iconify button powerwindows add in window after start, i get a line with the windows title and the window jump to the right side.
only diffrence is, when use AFA the Gadget powerwindow add is not see in titlebar.there is a Gap if you use a skin with mid tile. and when you click on the Gap, it do exactly same as without AFA.
Maybe you start powerwindows before AFA ?
thats wrong, AFA is no patch because it replace functions, you need start powerwindows or other patches always after AFA start.
>actually only the close gadget is in place and the resize gadget looks more like it should >allthough it is still misplaced. best working and closest to what i want to achieve are >scroll gadgets for now and thex do not schow up.
but it show that there is some enhancents.the center depend on border size, I have written, change all to default that it look nicer.
the arrow gadgets you too have change, but i have no real world example that use scrollers.normaly workbench use arrow gadgets.but workbench is not need run in 8 bit.
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@bernd_afa
What can I say? Here it works if I disable Afa and stops working after booting with Afa. Puzzling, isn't it? I actually run PW long after Afa, a few lines after LoadWB, whereas Afa is long before LoadWB is executed.
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@Vulture
I didnt create any menus configuration for ContextMenus, i simply run it!
Just tested the popupmenu.library you told me about, it doesnt work with it! Anyway, it is a 68000 version library, we should better go back using 10.8.6 which has a 020 optimized version and works well with ContextMenus.
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That's good news actually :) Thx, I'll try it with the earlier version.
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>What can I say? Here it works if I disable Afa and stops working after booting with Afa. >Puzzling, isn't it? I actually run PW long after Afa, a few lines after LoadWB, whereas Afa >is long before LoadWB is executed.
I test this file.
http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/PowerWindowsNG
maybe you try out powerwindows with the default settings.i use default Icon nice setting.there is option Icon visualprefs this maybe not work.
is the small bar show on AFA ?
look here a screenshot of AFA and powerwindowsng.
http://www.daten-transport.de/?id=xMhLs9sEyBsH
do you get this bars too on AFA ?
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AmigaOS 3.9 + lots of nice & cool stuff: AmiKit, AmigaSYS and ClassicWB
AmigaOS 3.9 with OS4.1 functionality: BoingBag4
Besides, on BoingBag4 there are several alternatives, for each component, so you may choose the one that suits you most!
Is it BoingBag3 or BoingBag 4 after all? On the link @ first post there is a mention for BoingBag3. I may have missed something important but yes ... still have not read the whole topic. Will do when I decide to install the stuff.
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Does anyone know why AmigaOS 4.0 for classics uses a much older version of Execute (version 37.11 when 44.5 is latest) and Version (version 40.1 when 44.4 is the latest). Just wondering.
Dan
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@brnd_afa
no I don't have this :/ I'll try what you suggested tomorrow, with default settings and I'll tell you how it went. Thx for your help man :)
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@Gulliver
Does ContextMenu provide non-blocking menus? I gave it a brief try, but it doesn't work for me at all. If it has this function, i will spend some more time to investigate the problem. Non-blocking menus is the main reason that i installed MagicMenu.
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Could you define what you mean about non-blocking menus? I will gladly test it out for you
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Could you define what you mean about non-blocking menus? I will gladly test it out for you
Ok. Here is a way to test this:
Open a CLI window, make the root directory of a big partition your current directory, type "dir all" and press enter.
Now, press RMB to access the menus. Does the output of the dir command freezes while the RMB remains pressed?
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Okay, tested, no, the cli output does not freeze, it goes on listing while i use the contextmenus
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Good. Thanks.
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@brnd_afa
no I don't have this :/ I'll try what you suggested tomorrow, with default settings and I'll tell you how it went. Thx for your help man :)
please backup your old config, and when it work with default setting send me the old config that not work, so i can see wy there is problem
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*Sighs* Due to the dark ages in United States known as Financial Armageddon (circa 2000-2008), I was forced to sell off the only Amiga video card I had. I'm not sure If I will ever get back into that stuff.
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@gulliver
Finally! Contextmenus worked with the older popupmenu.library. Thanks dude!
@bernd_afa
It worked after I enabled PW to display the igadget. I prefered to not have an igadget and iconify windows just with the hotkey. After I enabled the igadget the hotkey works again and the igadget is displayed ok (Visual Prefs mode). Only problem is that now on MUI windows I have 2 igadgets that function differently, but it's not a big deal, it works and it's ok. So, in short, that was the problem: When AFA is loaded and PW have the iconify gadget disabled, the windows won't iconify just with the hotkey. Thank you for helping me to sort this out!
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@Vulture
>Only problem is that now on MUI windows I have 2 igadgets that function differently, but >it's not a big deal, it works and it's ok.
MUI allow to switch off the Gadgets in MUI prefs window page.so you can switch off MUI iconify.
I test powerwindowsng now with the Option No iconify Gadget for windows or No Icons.
I get same behaviour with and without AFA and 2 test installs (OS3.5 and OS3.9).As soon no Icon is show Hotkey do not work.I use default hotkey for Test, rcommand+ shift+ i
maybe you use diffrent settings with and without AFA or have other AOS ?
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@bernd
I'll check it out and give you details as soon as I get home. Will it help to make a def_powerwindows.info like KingCon or is it not needed?
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@bernd_afa
If I disable afa and disable the PW igadget from being displayed I can still iconify the windows here , I'm on 3.9bb2. I'll pm you with a link to my PW prefs file to take a look if you wish.
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@Vulture
I am happy now, that at last, ContextMenus works for you!
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@Vulture
Yes you can do that, so i can test.I have no idea wy the hotkey should fail on AFA only, because AFA change nothing in input device or commodities, which is used by hotkey use.
maybe there happen a load delay and another program you start is execute after powerwindows and block the hotkey.maybe you can try raise or lower startpri on powerwindows Icon.I start powerwindows after boot.maybe its too late
I get hotkey always not working when icon is not show.Have nothing to do with or without AFA
also the function size window, move window is same as on AOS and not change in AFA
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@bernd_afa
well, you were right and I'm sorry for putting you into needless trouble. What I did wrong is I confused "don't put icon at workbench windows" with "add i-gadget to windows" options and thus I thought that afa_os prevented it as incidentally I tried a non wb window while booting without afa_os....again sorry for the trouble and thanks for your help. One last thing, after enabling properly PW i-gadget, afa_os patches windows that it didn't patch before, ie IBrowse and Yam startup splash windows and they look a bit weird. Can there be a work around that?
Also, I saw at your screenshot above that you have iconified your window with PW and it has a nice mac-like skin a la visualprefs. How did you do that? I mean, I've seen in the afa_os guide how to switch between afa_os and visualprefs, but do you run them in parallel somehow? Any hint about that?
Again , many thanks!
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>ie IBrowse and Yam startup splash windows and they look a bit weird
they look same as AOS, the windows are not skin, because only windows with a big title border are support, mean window need dragable.
>Also, I saw at your screenshot above that you have iconified your window with PW and it >has a nice mac-like skin a la visualprefs. How did you do that?
I dont know, i thought i use defaults for screenshot or i play with the settings, you can change the settings in powerwindow so the iconified look can have diffrent look.
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@bernd_afa
>ie IBrowse and Yam startup splash windows and they look a bit weird
>they look same as AOS, the windows are not skin, because only windows with a big title border are support, mean window need dragable.
No, it's the opposite. What I mean is that after PW works afa_os does try to skin these windows while it shouldn't. Maybe because PW forces them with its igadget. See here:
(http://www.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t1291073_001.jpg) (http://img21.imagehosting.gr/show.php/1291073_001.jpg.html)
It's not important though....
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>Maybe because PW forces them with its igadget. See here:
i test with powerwindows and Iconify Gadget on, but the start window look ok.I also dont understand wy your YAM start window look so diffrent as workbench window.
Have you AFA 4.6 ?
here is screenshot, so it look on one of my Test system, when powerwindow Gadget is on (the gap is the powerwindow iconify place)
http://www.daten-transport.de/?id=D46ZpDkPnZ8u
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Yes it's 4.6 with the Abyss skin applied. I've no idea why this happens. Would anything help you with this? I mean, do you want me to give you my startup files or anything else that might help you?
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Minor website update:
Added link for grabbing xadmaster.library 13.0 beta, which is optimized for 68040 processors
webpage update available at http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm
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Nice find! I'll be trying to incorporate it in dopus4 like OS4 version does to be able to list archives in proper listers etc.
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Minor website update:
Added link for grabbing xadmaster.library 13.0 beta, which is optimized for 68040 processors
webpage update available at http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm
Very nice for 040 owners! :)
May i suggest sharebee which is more friendly with Amiga browsers?
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You are right, mediafire is not Amiga browser friendly. I will try sharebee, and if it is okay, then i will move files over there.
Thanks
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@ Gulliver
just saw this thread and that's quite an impressive list you made :-) I personally keep my 1200 with 030@50 with WB3.1 (obviously for my classic stuff) and use OS4.1 on my Samflex@800 to browse the web, office stuff, & more modern gaming...so I'm happy on both fronts though since I found glUAE for OS4.1 I sadly admit I'm using my 1200 less & less