Amiga One or Pegasos?

[Lando]

The Pegasos is the best solution by far.
It's a custom-designed computer made by experts in the Amiga hardware field (ex-Phase5 people) whereas the AmigaOne is a Generic, off-the-shelf POP board.  

Also MorphOS is in a much more advanced state - it's actually here, now - people are using it.  OS4, though, doesn't exist as an OS (just modules which are being tested on 68k machines) and nobody knows how long it will take to complete.  Pegasos also has the benefit of firewire as standard.

Also, Genesi (the company making Pegasos) is very community-oriented and keep people informed on current developments, sponsors shows, offers large discounts on Pegasos boards to developers, and are generally very helpful and friendly.

Amiga Inc are the exact opposite as they tell lies and don't communicate and even stole money from Amiga users through their coupon scheme (If you don't know about this scheme, then back in July last year Amiga Inc ran a promotion whereby you paid $50 to get a $50 coupon for discount on AmigaOne, a T-Shirt, and entitlement to special discounts on future Amiga products.  A lot of people (including me) paid their $50 and have still recieved nothing 8 months later).

So, there's the facts - it's up to you to decide which one you want  :-)

[Lando]

DaveP wrote:
Thats strange, Pegasos is a POP based board using much the same
chipset as the A1 . By reading that you'd get the impression that it
was made by master craftsmen or something and didn't use off the shelf
parts itself.

I don't think the rest of the flamebait should be taken as "facts" either. Why
does someone always have to do this?

Perhaps you can point out which parts of what I said weren't "facts" as, having re-read it several times, I have yet to spot any.

Thanks in advance

[Lando]

There you go wiseguy. Last sentence. You claim they are all facts.

Yes.  Facts.  Thats what they are.  Like I said, If you're disputing that part of what I wrote is true, tell me which part you're referring to, and if it proves not to be a fact I will happily retract it :-)

[Lando]

DaveP wrote:
OK here goes.

The Pegasos is the best solution by far.

Not a fact. Thats a poijnt of view.

A point of view based on facts.  Maybe I would insert "In the opinion of most right-minded people" in front of that first sentence.

It's a custom-designed computer made by experts in the Amiga hardware field (ex-Phase5 people) whereas the AmigaOne is a Generic, off-the-shelf POP board.  

Subjective as to whether they are experts, they have experience.

Can you think of anyone with more expertise in designing PowerPC Amiga hardware than Phase 5?
It is correct to say that Genesi are experts.

The AmigaONE is
also custom designed, that also ( like the Pegasos ) happens to have something in
common with POP.

Also MorphOS is in a much more advanced state - it's actually here, now - people are using it.  

Agreed.

OS4, though, doesn't exist as an OS

Untrue. It does exist as an OS. Just only the betatesters are using it.

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No.  It does not.    
People are running PARTS of OS4 on their classic Amigas.

(just modules which are being tested on 68k machines) and nobody knows how long it will take to complete.  

Untrue.

No.  Not untrue.  Unless you happen to know someone with a working Beta of OS4 booting into Workbench on Teron boards with no 68k present?  

Pegasos also has the benefit of firewire as standard.

Subjective: benefit.

Oh.  So Firewire is a disadvantage?

Also, Genesi (the company making Pegasos) is very community-oriented and keep people informed on current developments,

Agreed.

sponsors shows, offers large discounts on Pegasos boards to developers, and are generally very helpful and friendly.

Agreed. For the most part.

Amiga Inc are the exact opposite as they tell lies

Subjective that they are "lies". Wouldn't you say that claiming that
the dev con for Pegasos was going to be far earlier than it actually
was also a "lie"? or that G4 was going to be available on the Pegasos? You
see "lie" is an emotive and subjective statement in this context.

"AmigaOne PPC /1200 On schedule and rockin"
"Others have taken your money in the past, with no products ever delivered to customers. We are not doing that, nor would we EVER do that"
"AmigaOne for the A1200 will be out this summer (2001)"
"AmigaOS 4.0 out this summer (2001) with the first of the AmigaOne Zico specification machines."

Actually I could fill pages and pages with this stuff :-)

and don't communicate

Untrue. They do communicate, its just when they do everyone wishes
they hadn't.

10+ emails unanswered.  Do not communicate.

and even stole money from Amiga users

Thats right, Fleecy nipped in through the window and nicked your wallet.

No. He was slightly more subtle than that.  Not much, mind you.

through their coupon scheme (If you don't know about this scheme, then back in July last year Amiga Inc ran a promotion whereby you paid $50 to get a $50 coupon for discount on AmigaOne, a T-Shirt, and entitlement to special discounts on future Amiga products.

No. You payed $50 dollars to join a club and to get a $50 coupon discount on AmigaONE. The T-shirt
although no one has one yet apparently never had a committed "when" it would pop
through the letterbox. I happen to be very negative about this scheme
but "steal" is way over the top and NOT a fact. I might not like the facts
as you clearly don't but I at least acknowledge the truth of the matter.

Pedantry.  The fact that Amiga Inc didn't specify WHEN the product would delivered is neither here nor there.  

They said:-
"All items will be delivered after the completion of the promotion, and initial sign up program".
The promotion ended in August last year.

If I buy a product online, and that company takes my money, and eight months later the product I ordered has still not arrived, that I have had no explanation from that company as to the reasons for the delay, that I have no replies to my demands for re-payment of my money, I think it is fair to say  that the company in question has stolen my money.  In the real world.

So, there's the facts - it's up to you to decide which one you want  :-)

Again. They are not all facts.

Well, you haven't convinced me that anything I wrote is not 100% true I'm afraid.

There you go wiseguy. Last sentence. You claim they are all facts. This is
going to result in a flame war and you know it. Don't play the innocent. You want
to do this , the place for you is : Flame War Network

The only one flaming people in this thread is you.  I'm sure ann will welcome you with open arms.

[Lando]

DaveP wrote:
Childish. So everyone who doesn't agree with you is not right minded?

People who can't see the truth when it is laid out in front of their eyes in black and white.

Can you think of anyone with more expertise in designing PowerPC Amiga hardware than Phase 5?
It is correct to say that Genesi are experts.

Experience != Expertise.

ex·pert    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (kspûrt)
n.
A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.

Having, involving, or demonstrating great skill, dexterity, or knowledge as the result of experience or training.

No.  It does not.    
People are running PARTS of OS4 on their classic Amigas.  

Oh yes and you accuse me of pedantry. Please tell me how you know
more of the current status of the Beta than I do?

I repeat: OS4, though, doesn't exist AS AN OS.  
Running the new HDToolbox on your 040 doesn't count I'm afraid.

despite you trying to
shift ground on the criteria because we have already contradicted your "fact" with
the truth as is publically known.

You're scraping the barrel now Dave.
I haven't shifted ground on any criteria.  Nor have you managed to contradict any of the facts I submitted.  I repeat.  OS4 does not exist as an OS.  The EXACT same words I used in my first post.  Move the goalposts if you wish, it doesn't make anything I said less true.

Oh.  So Firewire is a disadvantage?

I repeat: subjective: benefit.

I'll take that as a "no".

Pedantry.  The fact that Amiga Inc didn't specify WHEN the product would delivered is neither here nor there.  

Not pedantry. You were claiming that your POV were facts.

No. I wrote some facts and then when you questioned them I offered proof.

They said:-
"All items will be delivered after the completion of the promotion, and initial sign up program".
The promotion ended in August last year.

Yep. They said that and it is still AFTER the completion of the promotion.

LOL

No, what I haven't done is changed your opinion of Amiga Inc. I have clearly
demonstrated that you posted your opinion as fact.

No.  You haven't.  I posted facts.  That's all.

Oh so disagree with you and exposing your trolling for a flame war for the world to see
is flaming you? Amazing.

You aren't exposing anything apart from your own inability to understand.    I'll leave you to it.... Best of luck with your "AmigaONE XE" purchase.

[Lando]

amigamad wrote:
The amigaone pop motherboard was an ibm desighn and no small company has the money to desighn something better than ibm the pegosis  is desighned by ex phase 5 people if they were so bloody good how come phase 5 went bankrupt .

Because they made Amiga hardware.

[Lando]

HMetal wrote:
@Lando

This thread was going well until you started to make it about anything but the products themselves.

Go and troll somewhere else.

I don't "troll" anywhere Ray, here included.  And I resent you insinuating otherwise.  I stated facts.

However it seems to be "en vogue" these days to label anyone who disagrees with you, or who's arguments you have no answer for, a "troll" and thus feel justified in dismissing everything they have to say out of hand.

Anyway, I'm through with this discussion.  "Yawn" away... I'm sure all that activity at AInc must make you really tired...

[Lando]

Dual implies SMP. No one doubts that he achieved
the job at hand on an accelerator card.

What?  Were dictionaries in short supply when you were growing up or something? Dual "implies" nothing.  It has a specific meaning.  A "dual CPU card" means a CPU card with two CPUs.  

du:al
adj.
Composed of two usually like or complementary parts; double

Experience != expertise

ex·pert ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kspûrt)
n.
A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.

Having, involving, or demonstrating great skill, dexterity, or knowledge as the result of experience or training


ex·per·tise    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (kspûr-tz)
n.
Expert advice or opinion.
Skill or knowledge in a particular area.  
[French, from expert, experienced. See expert.]

So? I think you need to look up the definition of expert.

No need Dave, I just posted it again for you.  
I posted it earlier for you as well, in a reply to one of your other ramblings, since you didn't seem to have grasped it's meaning yet.  It still seems to have gone right over your head....

Tip: a basic grasp of the English language always helps when engaging in discussion on forums like this, "Bud".  

"experts in the Amiga hardware field"
Which Phase 5 obviously were.

Facts, Dave, look it up.

ROFLMAO!!!!! So am I bud, so am I.  Which production managers, now come on give me their names and Ill call them up and ask them. Ill also tell you what percentage of the IBM's "production managers" that
is with stats to back me up.

Go and lie down Dave, you're embarassing yourself...

[Lando]

Hey, I can't BELIEVE you don't understand what Dave means here. Let's just say that DaveP most probably DO know more IBM production managers than you do.

Hey, what are you talking about?
I'm sure he DO.  Since I don't know any.  Nor did I claim to.  Nor do I want to.

Try looking for anyone named Dave P on amigabooks.org

Why? He has his involvement in amigabooks.org in his signature.  

, followed by a search for that name (in quotes) and the word amiga on google. Like this: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Dave%20Pitcher%22+amiga

Er... Ok, now what was your point again?
Oh, maybe I'm supposed to be impressed, was that it?

Now read the mozdev summary out loud to yourself 4 times.

I don't read things out loud unless I am reading to someone else. Maybe you need to read things four times before the information is stored in your brain, but thankfully I am somewhat more evolved than that.  :-)

However, I still don't understand your point.  I realise that English isn't your first language, so maybe you should explain it to someone else and then they can type it out for you.

Hi Dave, sorry to have blown your cover :-)

"Owner of AmigaBooks.org community authorship programme."

Yeah, he kept it well hidden, huh?

[Lando]

olegil wrote:
Wow, Lando. You really ARE dumb.

No I'm not.

This whole discussion started with YOU trying to impress US with the fact that Carda knows IBM production managers.

No it didn't.  I never mentioned either Carda or IBM production managers.  It appears you are confused. Again.

DaveP commented that you should give him names and he would ask around and then tell you excactly HOW many percent of IBM production managers those people are.

No he didn't.  He was asking someone else.

You said he was embarassing himself saying something like this.

Yes.  

Then I comment that his email address in fact contains the word "ibm".

Which I already knew.  Hence my difficulty in understanding what point you were trying to make.

Hmm, GUESS who is embarassing himself.

Well, you it would seem.  It appears you have me confused with someone else.

 Oh, and you're right. English is in fact my THIRD language, and I have german and japanese as fourth and fifth. Sadly, I am still struggling with Japanese. I do, however, feel I have more or less gotten to a point where I can write simple english sentences and expect to be understood.

5 out of 10.

Your ignorance amazes me, though. Like, kaWOW, dude. :-P

I see.
At least I can read the names of the posts to which I'm replying...