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Re: Bastards!!!
« on: March 31, 2010, 02:37:10 AM »
Quote from: Tension;550473
Are you trying to flame me?
 
Frak off and die.

actually i think he was trying to point out that you're being dramatic.
 
PS3 wasn't made to run Linux. It was made to play metal gear solid 4, time crisis 4, FF13, and various other epic games, on gigantic HDMI TVs with surround sound.
 
If you do not agree, then PS3 is not for you.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 03:01:21 AM »
it wasn't MADE to run Linux.  It was just an OPTION.  One that set it apart from the 360 and it's locked-in setup.  A neat selling point for those people out there that have to put Linux on everything known to man.

Sony didn't sit down at the big ol' conference table and go

"guys, we need to make a 600$ console designed around the fact that it can run a free OS.  Its the future of game consoles.  Our propriety software isn't important."

I don't give two shits what Wikipedia says about "other OS" and crap for the PS3.   Yeah, you can put Linux on there.  Yeah, its neat.  Yeah, tinkering and homebrewing can happen because of it.... but.....

PS3 development under random Linux distros sucks.  Ever try it?  I have.  You don't get full fun of the hardware, and it's mostly a hobby/tinkering sort of thing.  You can get the same performance out of a PC from the early 2000s.

If you want to really develop for the thing, you have to go legit.  I've had ps3 since launch day and have been messing with Linux and development on it since it was possible as well...  

So, uh, take your "research" comment, and kindly shove it.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 04:05:33 AM »
Quote from: kickstart;550487
I dont know the marketing of ps3 on the united states but in europe, ps3 is sold like a games console (that is) and in some forums you can learn to install some linux distribution on it, nothing more.

Im not sure but you cant access to all ps3 resources with linux.

Its marketed as a game console everywhere!  Thats the primary software for the thing.  You don't really see the same amount of magazines/site coverage/etc that you do for the media capabilities of the PS3. :)   All the extra frills outside of the gaming portion are about on par with all the other random media crap out there for PC.  Yeah, its there.  Yeah, it works, yeah, its not selling the system.

and no you don't get full ps3 access with linux.  It sucks :( .   I stopped messing with it recently but I do remember reading that someone had cracked it to where you could..




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tsk, tsk.

"it was fully intended that you, a PS3 owner, could play games, watch movies, view photos, listen to music, and run a full-featured Linux operating system that transforms your PS3 into a home computer." -- Sony

The PS3 was marketed as a machine that would pwn the planet, ass rape your living room, have sex with you, solve global warming and yes, run linux. The cell was supposed to be the greatest thing EVAR and the way to get familiar with it was to buy a PS3. Hell, Sony even marketed this as a stepping stone to getting user created games on their service. Promises bigger than even what A-Eon is coming up with right now. And Sony just said "Frak You" to all the folks who bought into it.

tsk tsk what?  Where does that quote say WITH LINUX YOU CAN BE JAWESOME DEVELOPER AND MAEK GAMES.   It doesn't.   A home computer is not a developer computer.    you can , for the price of a ps3, have linux and do your normal day to day computer stuff with it, and use the media center like capabilities of it..... but cmon, if Sony released their development kit.... the FULL featured one, for free under Linux, the homebrew market would be as crapped up as the 360 one....

full of crappy games and reskinned tech demos...

Everything that quote says, DID happen for the PS3, and is perfectly fine.  Better than the 360's implementation too.

The cell thing IS awesome, for games.  I don't think they ever had much intention of using the cell technology for other software.  Office suites and stuff for the PS3 would be pretty funny though.

Lots of games make great use of cell power.  and like I said, thats what its all designed for.   If the thing was designed to be a podunk little media center/internet browser, you'd have something akin to the Wii in terms of power.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 05:16:16 AM »
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Who said so? Again you're just babling. As for who wanted the OtherOS to be there, I bet it wasnt Sony in the first place. More likely it was IBM.
But again - that is beside the point.
Babbling?  I think its a pretty solid remark.  To think the console, a VIDEO GAME console, was designed and planned out with Other OS's on it being the top priority, isn't very reasonable.  The Playstation is, and will always be, games first, other stuff second.  You ever see any of the conferences focusing on OMGLINUX?  No.  Pretty sure the key emphasis was the gaming platform.

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... but that was also not the point. Nice to see that you admit that you dont give two shits about facts, btw. I suppose that is transferable to other postings you make as well?
No, you misunderstand.  I give a shit about facts, and am not saying that page is wrong.   I just don't go scour wikipedia for factoids to copy pasta into forums to make it look like Im more knowledgeable.  Especially because the link you posted about OtherOS wasn't really anything of importance.


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Ah, you need to post on those "we want AmigaOS on PS3" threads. It's not correct to say that "it's mostly a hobby/tinkering sort of thing", that is what the PS3 and Cell is mostly useless for. What is _is_ usable for though, is running dedicated code for various number crunching, something hobby/tinkerers have no use for. And this is also what the PS3 has been used for in a few academic scenarious.
its still tinkering no matter how you want to slice it...academia isn't commercial.  and, by "hobby" , I am referring to hobby game development.  It's a novel idea, but it was limited from the get-go.   And uhhhh who are you to say hobbyists/tinkerers don't have a use for running dedicated number crunching algorithms, etc.?  You got some surveillance on the entire PS3 development community?    


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Development under Linux on it was always legit.
My bad, "official".  The fully licensed development kit is worlds better than the goofy nonsense you can do with a basement Linux install.


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I will, up yours.
Thanks, but no thanks.  I'm not into that.  I'm sure you'll find someone who is though!


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Really, you're missing the entire point here - which wasnt whether the PS3 sucks for running Linux on, or doing development on. The point is that they advertised and sold it also as a developer machine for Cell with Linux as a platform. Peraps this was under preasure from IBM, but that is not really relevant. They are now in effect pulling that option, and alot of people will be pissed about it, and rightfully so.
Lol, you underestimate people and their determination.  I won't be surprised when Linux reappears on PS3 sometime in the future either by retracting the kill from Sony (once they get security under control), or by someones brute force.  Most likely, the someone will be Geohot again.   You did read the information right?  Dude's already planning to work around it.  Welcome to the world of hackers..?  

and I really think the advertising in regards to linux was a nice afterthought.  Didn't seem to be the emphasis, ever.  


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And, if you've been paying attention, you'd notice that I see Sony's move as a positive thing, since it will only hurt Sony, which I, personally, think is great. :laughing:
Oh, so you're one of those biased Anti-Sony people.   That explains a lot.

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May I again point to Wikipedia, even though you dont give a crap, maybe others do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)
Right, you are aware that there is a difference between Cell in a ps3, and cell at large right?   By "They" I mean, Sony.  With the PS3.   The platform we are discussing here.    Im sure all of the plans for OTHER applications of Cell besides games were planned with DIFFERENT hardware in mind.   Not a video game console.  Hell its the second paragraph of the article.  Did you read it at all?  Or... did you just assume it agreed 100% with what you were thinking and blindly pasted it here.



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Personally, I treat consoles as gaming appliances nothing more.  If they happen to be able to do other things, take it as a bonus but expect that the copyright owner can at any time take their toys away making the system unusable for those things.

:D  Exactly.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 06:32:39 AM »
Quote from: Trev;550507

A number of universities and governments use PS3s for analytical computing, but with mainstream x64 processors coming with 8, 12, and more cores, and mainstream graphics cards carrying hundreds of stream processors, the Cell (as it exists in the PS3) isn't much of a win apart from the price.


and with the cost of tuition, its not like the price really matters :D :hammer:
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 11:42:50 AM »
its probably a good thing anyways.

Now it can focus on being gaming hardware, which is more logical, and practical....

theres too many reasons to list why.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 09:27:36 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;550579
Geohot will figure a way past this. It's foolish. All the people using Linux suffer because some of us want full control of the PS3. I don't want to pirate games, I want direct access to the video hardware. Without that. decent video games and other video intense software cannot be written under Linux.
This is going to be defeated. It's only a matter of time.


and thats when sony will go OOPS and retract everything, lol.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 01:18:04 AM »
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Here's a radical thought. Rework the otheros feature so that hacking is not possible.

I can betcha this was 100% Sony America's decision. Typical American approach, closed system, closed standard, remove ps2 capability, remove linux capability, keep the costs as high as the market will bear for as long as possible.

The end result? Sony is in last place. The once impecalbe brand has fadded some.


maybe they are taking it down UNTIL they work out the security stuff.  Until then, Resonance of Fate kicks ass.  Its better than Linux.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 10:12:33 AM »
why bother suing over the lack of using a free OS?

if you bought the PS3 specifically for Linux, uhhh.....
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
get a computer, do the Linuxing there.  Shame on you for buying an "all in one" mediacenterthing without intending to play games on it!


You should try the games!  I hear they're pretty great.
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 12:11:35 PM »
I think you're talking about something else.

Im talking about if the person complaining bought the PS3 *only* for linux, as that would be kind of a poor idea.
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