Bastards!!!

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I see this very positively - Sony gets bad rap all over the place, there will most likely be class action lawsuits against Sony, the incentive to crack PS3 for real is even higher, piracy of PS3 games will flourish - all in all - I like it. Maybe I'll even buy a PS3 again, eventually.

And people say I'm a cynic?

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actually i think he was trying to point out that you're being dramatic.

PS3 wasn't made to run Linux.

Well, that would be true if it wasn't for the fact that Sony themselves provided Linux distro for it and also advertised and sold the PS3 as a developer platform.

It isn't new for them, they also made a Linux kit for PS2, and just like now, they pulled out of it with the release of the "slim" device.

It was made to play metal gear solid 4, time crisis 4, FF13, and various other epic games, on gigantic HDMI TVs with surround sound.  

If you do not agree, then PS3 is not for you.

You've obviously been out of the loop regarding the PS3 - there are enough revisionists around in the world, please do some research before posting. For example you can start with  Wikipedia.

And for the record - I think PS3 all in all sucks bigtime, I had one for a while and was not satisfied at all.

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it wasn't MADE to run Linux.  It was just an OPTION.  One that set it apart from the 360 and it's locked-in setup.  A neat selling point for those people out there that have to put Linux on everything known to man.

No, those were not the target.

Sony didn't sit down at the big ol' conference table and go

"guys, we need to make a 600$ console designed around the fact that it can run a free OS.  Its the future of game consoles.  Our propriety software isn't important."

Who said so? Again you're just babling. As for who wanted the OtherOS to be there, I bet it wasnt Sony in the first place. More likely it was IBM.
But again - that is beside the point.

I don't give two shits what Wikipedia says about "other OS" and crap for the PS3.   Yeah, you can put Linux on there.  Yeah, its neat.  Yeah, tinkering and homebrewing can happen because of it.... but.....

... but that was also not the point. Nice to see that you admit that you dont give two shits about facts, btw. I suppose that is transferable to other postings you make as well?

PS3 development under random Linux distros sucks.  Ever try it?

Sure, and indeed it sucks - hence I gave away my PS3.

I have. You don't get full fun of the hardware, and it's mostly a hobby/tinkering sort of thing.  You can get the same performance out of a PC from the early 2000s.

Ah, you need to post on those "we want AmigaOS on PS3" threads. It's not correct to say that "it's mostly a hobby/tinkering sort of thing", that is what the PS3 and Cell is mostly useless for. What is _is_ usable for though, is running dedicated code for various number crunching, something hobby/tinkerers have no use for. And this is also what the PS3 has been used for in a few academic scenarious.

If you want to really develop for the thing, you have to go legit.

Development under Linux on it was always legit.

I've had ps3 since launch day and have been messing with Linux and development on it since it was possible as well...

So have I.

So, uh, take your "research" comment, and kindly shove it.

I will, up yours.

Really, you're missing the entire point here - which wasnt whether the PS3 sucks for running Linux on, or doing development on. The point is that they advertised and sold it also as a developer machine for Cell with Linux as a platform. Peraps this was under preasure from IBM, but that is not really relevant. They are now in effect pulling that option, and alot of people will be pissed about it, and rightfully so.

And, if you've been paying attention, you'd notice that I see Sony's move as a positive thing, since it will only hurt Sony, which I, personally, think is great. :laughing:

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I dont know the marketing of ps3 on the united states but in europe, ps3 is sold like a games console (that is) and in some forums you can learn to install some linux distribution on it, nothing more.

Im not sure but you cant access to all ps3 resources with linux.

They didn't make much of a point of it mainstream, but I can assure you that it was advertised it in various academic/scientific media. There was a period I was fed up with all the PS3 crap showing up eveywhere.

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The cell thing IS awesome, for games.  I don't think they ever had much intention of using the cell technology for other software.  Office suites and stuff for the PS3 would be pretty funny though.

May I again point to Wikipedia, even though you dont give a crap, maybe others do.

Lots of games make great use of cell power.

Really? Are you sure?

and like I said, thats what its all designed for.   If the thing was designed to be a podunk little media center/internet browser, you'd have something akin to the Wii in terms of power.

I'm almost tempted to say that it is akin to the Wii in terms of power, when it comes to general use. I have two Wiis with Linux on, and the difference to running Linux on the PS3 is not as big as it should be, considering the numbers. :laughing:

The PS3 was designed to generate a money flow, and part of that deal was to atract developers to Cell. This, for most part, failed, and now Sony is doing a clean-up operation, which also will fail. I like it.

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And where is the academic PS3 dev kit that was in beta last summer, that was meant to allow students and universities to develop applications for the "game OS" directly?

"It's a Sony - Oh, no!"

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I don't see the big deal. It IS a gaming machine. Some people are pissed (all 3 of them), I get it, but this shouldn't really come as a surprise - every company does things like that - it reminds of Apple most of all.

Another one that misses the point, and I can't really remember Apple pulling a stunt like this.

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Wwhat are the latest available alternative OSes for the PS3?

Any PowerPC Linux will do, as long as you have a kernel suited for PS3, I used Gentoo with certain stuff buildt from a PS3 overlay and git.

I installed Xubutu 7.10 last year on mine and was underwelmed by performance.

Exacly, it's not really suited for general purpose without any support from the GPU. The SPEs need dedicated code, there is little or close to none such code that is of much interest for "most users".

The stock OS was more responsive (the browser STUNK, though) and cooler.  I'm not a gamer, I've only kept the thing around to play Blu Rays and some of the few other compatible media.

The most bloated, uncapable and power draining media center you can pick. :laughing:

[kolla]

It's all in the thrill to learn to code for the PS3.

There's no thrill, only pain. If you want thrill, you're better off with a cracked open PS3.
Which is why this is a good thing