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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Valis on April 08, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
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"This is not some 100 beta board scam that you have send a band wire to, this is in the tens of thousands of orders.
Dammy"
Posting this news I saw on another site that I thought was interesting, but don't like to post there because of the negativity.
Is this true? There was some calculations as far as cost putting these 10,000s of orders in the $10,000,000.00 range.
The one good question that was being asked was, if companies were buying these in such large quantities then why are they not for sell anywhere? Has anyone seen C64x computers for sale at any other place other then the CUSA website? Where did all these 10,000s of computers go to?
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If the figures are true, they're for pre-orders. Hope that answers your questions (it should do, if you think about it).
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"This is not some 100 beta board scam that you have send a band wire to, this is in the tens of thousands of orders.
Dammy"
Posting this news I saw on another site that I thought was interesting, but don't like to post there because of the negativity.
Is this true? There was some calculations as far as cost putting these 10,000s of orders in the $10,000,000.00 range.
The one good question that was being asked was, if companies were buying these in such large quantities then why are they not for sell anywhere? Has anyone seen C64x computers for sale at any other place other then the CUSA website? Where did all these 10,000s of computers go to?
well... for starters, remember that CUSA is launching this in big-box retail outlet(s) next month. the initial order(s) for that alone would be in the thousands. couple that with press coverage from the guardian, the new york times, the LA times, engadget, el reg, and the like, and it's not too hard to conclude that orders in the 'thousands' is merely the beginning.
wait 'til the TV campaign starts up.
i always thought the C64x would be a huge seller; not interested in the 'amiga' kit coming, but, heh, doesn't bother me terribly. the bottom line is that, for the moment, CUSA looks to be a hugely successful endeavor. congrats to them.
now on to the X1000 -- which is what i'm actually interested in. :)
-- eliyahu
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Jack Tramiel got the retro bug and ordered them all for himself. Has anyone asked Jack what he thinks about the C64x?
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If it's including large store orders, which I would think it would be, that's possible.
Now, that doesn't mean that the stores are pre-paying for all of the units and/or there isn't some type of "if we don't sell X many in X days, we will return them and you will take them back / reimburse us"..
That's neither good nor bad.. It's just business...
It will be interesting to see if/where they show up store wise...
desiv
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"This is not some 100 beta board scam that you have send a band wire to, this is in the tens of thousands of orders.
Dammy"
Posting this news I saw on another site that I thought was interesting, but don't like to post there because of the negativity.
Is this true? There was some calculations as far as cost putting these 10,000s of orders in the $10,000,000.00 range.
The one good question that was being asked was, if companies were buying these in such large quantities then why are they not for sell anywhere? Has anyone seen C64x computers for sale at any other place other then the CUSA website? Where did all these 10,000s of computers go to?
Barry posted here that he had spoken with Jeri Ellsworth.
I'm not going to claim that is the connection of which he speaks, but Jeri had some success in marketing with QVC.
Is something along those lines possible?
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They are getting a ton of media coverage here in the United States. Both the LA Times and National Public Radio carried the story that the thing is coming out this morning. They don't really explain why anyone would want or need one, but the media seems fascinated with the story that a 1980s computer is being re-released in some form or other.
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Barry posted here that he had spoken with Jeri Ellsworth.
I'm not going to claim that is the connection of which he speaks, but Jeri had some success in marketing with QVC.
Is something along those lines possible?
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Of course it's possible but AFAIK nobody at CUSA or their fanbase have said anything about QVS or similar. I have read that there is a brick & mortar big box store who will be getting the first orders, but no word on which store that is. My guess is Best Buy, which is probably the biggest consumer electronics big box in Florida - this would make it a natural choice for Barry.
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Of course it's possible but AFAIK nobody at CUSA or their fanbase have said anything about QVS or similar. I have read that there is a brick & mortar big box store who will be getting the first orders, but no word on which store that is. My guess is Best Buy, which is probably the biggest consumer electronics big box in Florida - this would make it a natural choice for Barry.
"QVC's U.S. operations are based in the Studio Park complex, which houses its corporate headquarters, studio and broadcasting facilities. Studio Park is the former corporate offices of Commodore Business Machines."
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Why in God's name would a company be giving financial/sales numbers to a "supporter" they met on the internet that now moderates their forums (Dammy)? Means nothing until product gets into hands and the reviews start coming in.
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Why in God's name would a company be giving financial/sales numbers to a "supporter" they met on the internet that now moderates their forums (Dammy)? Means nothing until product gets into hands and the reviews start coming in.
They haven't.
This is what he was told :
Without going into any details....let's imagine this; There are quite a few large retail chains...all with more than 1000 locations. An opening order of just 20 pcs/ store= 20,000 units right there alone.
Dammy's imagination did the rest.
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Why in God's name would a company be giving financial/sales numbers to a "supporter" they met on the internet that now moderates their forums (Dammy)?
Or to people who just randomly call up on the phone:
http://videogamewriters.com/commodore-ceo-talks-newstalgia-c64x-sales-and-retro-gaming-6762
Without introducing myself, I proceeded to spew half-baked questions fueled more by nostalgic glee than journalistic curiosity. Mr. Altman patiently answered them all, passionately divulging information without seeming to care whether I was a reporter for network television news, or just a crazed fan.
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Barry posted here that he had spoken with Jeri Ellsworth.
I'm not going to claim that is the connection of which he speaks, but Jeri had some success in marketing with QVC.
Is something along those lines possible?
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Ironstone Partners sold the C64DTV, Jeri Ellsworth just designed the hardware for them.
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Ironstone Partners sold the C64DTV, Jeri Ellsworth just designed the hardware for them.
And it was sold on QVC.
http://www.qvc.com/scripts/detail.dll?item=E22494&cookie=set
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If it's "sale or return" ouch.....
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"This is not some 100 beta board scam that you have send a band wire to, this is in the tens of thousands of orders.
Dammy"
Posting this news I saw on another site that I thought was interesting, but don't like to post there because of the negativity.
Is this true? There was some calculations as far as cost putting these 10,000s of orders in the $10,000,000.00 range.
The one good question that was being asked was, if companies were buying these in such large quantities then why are they not for sell anywhere? Has anyone seen C64x computers for sale at any other place other then the CUSA website? Where did all these 10,000s of computers go to?
AMD is shipping AMD Llano APUs to OEMs and yet there's not retail PC with AMD Llano.
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They are getting a ton of media coverage here in the United States. Both the LA Times and National Public Radio carried the story that the thing is coming out this morning. They don't really explain why anyone would want or need one, but the media seems fascinated with the story that a 1980s computer is being re-released in some form or other.
Like JJ's StarTrek 2009 or Tron 2010, it’s about “rebooting” the franchise.
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If it doesn't contain a perfect SID sound and allow use of a Zipstick it ain't no C64 let alone worth $600.
My friend is loaded, he loves C64 and I sorted out 3Gb of 8bit Commodore games and emulators for him to play......even he wouldn't buy one for $600 I wouldn't buy one for sure. So a few thickos will be buying one....then nothing.....dead end.
What they should have done is resurrect the C64 DTV for $15-20 in massive quantities AND wired one of those FPGA boards to the C64x case & keyboard for $99.
If people want a cheap shit PC they can buy one for $250 too, total = $350. half price of C64x
Greed is ugly.
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Greed is ugly.
Pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered!
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Greed is ugly.
Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of mankind and greed, you mark my words, will not only save Commodore, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the U.S.A.
(Ok, the original quote might not have mentioned Commodore specifically, but it's a very Tramielian quote...)
desiv
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You do realise that the bulk of these orders is potentially Franko....:)
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I heard they'll be packaged with the C64 game, Deceptor.
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They haven't.
This is what he was told :
Dammy's imagination did the rest.
That sounds like a reality check for Dammy.
Take 20,000 units and multiply it by the cost of the unit and that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay short of $10m. Once you take into account that the sales price isn't the profit, and you factor in the advertising budget, company expenses, etc, I doubt 20,000 units even cover the cost of the Disney DVD deal.
However, it is a start.
I still don't see that big a market for expensive retro PCs, but who knows.
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If it doesn't contain a perfect SID sound and allow use of a Zipstick it ain't no C64 let alone worth $600.
My friend is loaded, he loves C64 and I sorted out 3Gb of 8bit Commodore games and emulators for him to play......even he wouldn't buy one for $600 I wouldn't buy one for sure. So a few thickos will be buying one....then nothing.....dead end.
What they should have done is resurrect the C64 DTV for $15-20 in massive quantities AND wired one of those FPGA boards to the C64x case & keyboard for $99.
If people want a cheap shit PC they can buy one for $250 too, total = $350. half price of C64x
Greed is ugly.
I bought a Chameleon the other month and that wasn't exactly cheap, but I'll be buggered if I can see the need for a $600 emulated C64 that won't let me plug in a real floppy.
Now I could see the market for a cheap (and I do mean cheap) retro style case for those who want to use the Chamelon in "standalone" mode without having to plug it in to a real C64.
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Why isn't Dammy posting here about C-USA? I had hoped he would be able to answer a few questions I have.
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I hope the c64x sells well and continues to do so because when sales drop they will start selling Amigas therefore bastardising the Amiga brand. I hope they continue to sell c64x's forever... :(
Off topic has anyone noticed Amiga.org is really slow lately? Like 30 seconds to load a page?
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Aye, Kesa. It's been noticeably slow for the better part of the day for pageloads.
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Aye, Kesa. It's been noticeably slow for the better part of the day for pageloads.
That might be due to where you are. I have had no problem with page load speeds. Everything is zippy as usual from here. (N. California)
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I bought a Chameleon the other month and that wasn't exactly cheap, but I'll be buggered if I can see the need for a $600 emulated C64 that won't let me plug in a real floppy.
Now I could see the market for a cheap (and I do mean cheap) retro style case for those who want to use the Chamelon in "standalone" mode without having to plug it in to a real C64.
Doing a case in small numbers is never going to be cheap. Which is why the vic/c64/c16 used the same moulds.
If you want a 64 then the cheapest way is to buy an original one & get a 1541 ultimate II.
A stand alone chameleon is no better than an emulator on a PC, you can plug a 1541 & joystick into any PC using a USB adapter.
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I bought a Chameleon the other month and that wasn't exactly cheap.
I thought the Chameleon was still in dev?
it list a price which is not that bad I bought one of those 1541 Ultimate II (only about 50 less).
Can you let me know when you receive yours since I am dieing to buy one.
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What they should have done is resurrect the C64 DTV for $15-20 in massive quantities AND wired one of those FPGA boards to the C64x case & keyboard for $99.
If people want a cheap shit PC they can buy one for $250 too, total = $350. half price of C64x
Greed is ugly.
Or even if this thing was simply just a $199 bluetooth keyboard, with a steel plate in it to give some weight, I might buy one to use my current PC. But I don't need another low end shit Atom. And I certainly don't want a bunch of F-ing wires running all over the place.
It's 2011. I'm past the wires hanging out all over the ass end of my keyboard (other than for true classics).
Yeah, make this a just a high quality bluetooth keyboard and you have a sale. I could use it for fun on my cell phone, laptop, etc. That would be novel. Or simply make it like those joystick things that plug into your tv. Or better yet both. But another PC? Nah, no thanks. I'll stick with a cheap ass real C64 and do one of the 100 hacks out there and do the same things for 1/3 the cost.
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Doing a case in small numbers is never going to be cheap. Which is why the vic/c64/c16 used the same moulds.
If you want a 64 then the cheapest way is to buy an original one & get a 1541 ultimate II.
A stand alone chameleon is no better than an emulator on a PC, you can plug a 1541 & joystick into any PC using a USB adapter.
I picked up a C64C for it having used my breadbox C64 for a while and decided I needed a bit more comfort. :)
It is interesting that I used a VIC20 and C64 for years and years with no issues, but once the C128 and Amiga models with low keyboards arrived and became standard then it is hard to get comfortable with the bulky breadbox case again.
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I thought the Chameleon was still in dev?
it list a price which is not that bad I bought one of those 1541 Ultimate II (only about 50 less).
Can you let me know when you receive yours since I am dieing to buy one.
It is still in development, but I've had mine for around 5 weeks. There are regular core updates coming out and updating it is as simple as connecting it to a PC via the supplied USB cable and running a small program (it takes less than a minute).
I've been away on business for 3 weeks so I'm looking forward to getting home and reflashing it with a new core. :)