OS 4.0 on WinUAE possible?

[ikir]

>"You think the A1 is cheap?"

It is cheaper and muhc more powerfull than the Amiga classic in your signature.


@thread
No. And remember that Pearc Pc emulates a cpu several times slower than the original.

ikir wrote:
>"You think the A1 is cheap?"

It is cheaper and muhc more powerfull than the Amiga classic in your signature.

Incorrect.

A1200 - £0.00
3.1ROMS - £20
Phase5 BPPC 040@25 603e@200 256MB - £200
Mediator 1200 - £80
64MB Voodoo 5500 - £30
SBLive!+SPDIF - £0.00
RTL8139 - £0.00
Elbox FastATA 1200 Mk-III - £50
40GB UDMA133 HDD - £0.00
Sony 40xCD-RW - £0.00
OS 3.9 - £30
Bt878 PCI TV Card - £0.00
PC<->1200 KB Adaptor - £10
Power Tower - £30 with a free Vooodo 3 card thrown in

A complete system that *works* for less than £500.
Compared to a motherboard *only* for £512.

Thats besides the point, my Athlon64-3200+ with 1MB CPU Cache, 128MB Radeon 9600 and 1024MB DDR400 RAM running AROS outperforms both. :-P

[bloodline]

ikir wrote:

And remember that Pearc Pc emulates a cpu several times slower than the original.

Just out of curiosity, have you tried PearPC?

[seer]

Just out of curiosity, have you tried PearPC?

Well I did, and the speed was amazing, I was expecting it to be much slower.

[ikir]

@mdma
I paid much more for my classic... anyway a Micro is hundreds of times faster, you can't compare the power an A1 with an old classic, as 3.x with 4.0 imho. And it "works". I turned my XE off this morning after 3 days, it is an incredible system.

@bloodline
No, i want to try it but i need a spare hd and new hd removable chassis. Users and friends reported it as "incredible slow" anyway.

[drHirudo]

mdma wrote:

A1200 - £0.00
3.1ROMS - £20
Phase5 BPPC 040@25 603e@200 256MB - £200
Mediator 1200 - £80
64MB Voodoo 5500 - £30
SBLive!+SPDIF - £0.00
RTL8139 - £0.00
Elbox FastATA 1200 Mk-III - £50
40GB UDMA133 HDD - £0.00
Sony 40xCD-RW - £0.00
OS 3.9 - £30
Bt878 PCI TV Card - £0.00
PC<->1200 KB Adaptor - £10
Power Tower - £30 with a free Vooodo 3 card thrown in

I see you listed some parts as costing 0.00. If they costed zero to you, that doesn't mean they really cost zero. Either you stole them, they were given for free to you (as a gift or with another purchase), or you picked them from garbage bin, but they still cost something, not zero. For example the A1200 can go for £15, £10 for the TV card, £10 for the HDD, £10 for the RTL8139, and another £10 for the SBLive and you are already near the price of brand new A1, which will be more reliable. You probably know that every new card added to the classic system, makes it more unstable.

A complete system that *works* for less than £500.
Compared to a motherboard *only* for £512.

That complete system including the cards in it is second hand, while the A1 is brand new.

Thats besides the point, my Athlon64-3200+ with 1MB CPU Cache, 128MB Radeon 9600 and 1024MB DDR400 RAM running AROS outperforms both.

Which of the native AmigaOS4 software you tryied on it, for this benchmark?

Which of the native AmigaOS4 software you tryied on it, for this benchmark?

Right, so are you telling me that a 2.2GHz 64bit CPU with 1MB L1 Cache is slower than a 800MHz G3?   :-?

seer wrote:
Just out of curiosity, have you tried PearPC?

Well I did, and the speed was amazing, I was expecting it to be much slower.

The phrase I like to use to describe it, is "Like sh!t off a shovel!" :-D

[drHirudo]

Right, so are you telling me that a 2.2GHz 64bit CPU with 1MB L1 Cache is slower than a 800MHz G3?

For native AmigaOS4 software - YES.

ikir wrote:
@mdma
I paid much more for my classic... anyway a Micro is hundreds of times faster, you can't compare the power an A1 with an old classic, as 3.x with 4.0 imho. And it "works". I turned my XE off this morning after 3 days, it is an incredible system.

@bloodline
No, i want to try it but i need a spare hd and new hd removable chassis. Users and friends reported it as "incredible slow" anyway.

It's incredibly fast ikir, the JIT version is anyway. The interpreted version is obviously a lot slower.

Obviously any A1 is faster than the fastest classic machine, but the fastest x86 is more than good enough to JIT emulate a PPC at an acceptable speed.  Which is what the original topic was about afterall. ;-)

drHirudo wrote:

Right, so are you telling me that a 2.2GHz 64bit CPU with 1MB L1 Cache is slower than a 800MHz G3?

For native AmigaOS4 software - YES.

An how exactly do you know this?

Have you used a AmigaOS4 JIT emulated on an Athlon64?

Thought not.

[drHirudo]

by mdma on 2005/4/18 20:08:21

drHirudo wrote:

Right, so are you telling me that a 2.2GHz 64bit CPU with 1MB L1 Cache is slower than a 800MHz G3?

For native AmigaOS4 software - YES.

An how exactly do you know this?

Have you used a AmigaOS4 JIT emulated on an Athlon64?

Thought not.
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It doesn't need rocked science maths to calculate that Athlon64 wouldn't emulate in more than 1/10th the speed of PPC even with JIT. (which is of core pretty much optimistic), so to emulate 800MHz µA1, you will need at least 8 GHz Athlon64, which isn't in the shops yet, and this is only for the CPU. Ok the other µA1 parts are pretty standart, so they won't take much overheat to the emulation, but they still will need a wrapper, so save your money for 10 GHz Athlon, if you want to emulate the µA1 at real speed, but I hope by the time the 0.01 THz machines will be introduced, there will be faster A1 hardware already.

I hope by the time the 0.01 THz machines will be introduced, there will be faster A1 hardware already.

More chance of the next Pope being a Muslim I reckon! ;-)

[drHirudo]

Also why is all this fuss about PPC WinUAE?
 I think it will be easier to be coded WinUME (Windows Universal MorphOS Emulator). By the claims of the MorphOS advocates, MorphOS is better, have bigger software base, it's tied to a open firmware (easier to emulate), have more features, higher stability, better look, stronger user base, friendly community, better developers, OS4Emu, and everything nice.

drHirudo wrote:
Also why is all this fuss about PPC WinUAE?
 I think it will be easier to be coded WinUME (Windows Universal MorphOS Emulator). By the claims of the MorphOS advocates, MorphOS is better, have bigger software base, it's tied to a open firmware (easier to emulate), have more features, higher stability, better look, stronger user base, friendly community, better developers, OS4Emu, and everything nice.

Don't you mean Pegasos emulator?

A WinUAE-PPC should be able to run any Amiga-PPC OS including MorphOS 0.4, which runs quite nicely on my classic by the way.

Anyway, why do you feel the need to start trolling about MorphOS on a thread about the possiblity of UAE getting PPC-JIT functionality?  Whats wrong with you?

[drHirudo]

by mdma on 2005/4/18 20:47:25

Don't you mean Pegasos emulator?

A WinUAE-PPC should be able to run any Amiga-PPC OS including MorphOS 0.4, which runs quite nicely on my classic by the way.

Anyway, why do you feel the need to start trolling about MorphOS on a thread about the possiblity of UAE getting PPC-JIT functionality? Whats wrong with you?

I read that the thread is called "OS 4.0 on WinUAE possible?" and stated an opinion that MorphOS on WinUAE (or WinUME) is more likely, because it doesn't have the A1 dongle (as they call it), and uses open firmware. What's wrong in this?