[A-EON updates] The "Golden" Child - Nemo revision 2.1

[jorkany]

Originally Posted by koaftder
No, I hope it blows up in their faces. All the BS about "xena" and "xorro" and endless other absurd hype was enough for me.

Is it possible to stoop any lower? :madashell:

Could you clarify, are you referring to A-eon or koft here?

[jorkany]

Oppppps :sealed:

I didn't actually know this. I never really gave the idea of dual cores much thought. I always just assumed they were just 2 cpus thrown together. I guess you learn something new everyday. Thanks guys!

So you support the X1000 even though you're not clear at all on what it is?

I think you should get one. You'll make a great customer for Hyperion and Co.

[jorkany]

Really? By an X1000 today and sell for a profit in a few years time.

What makes you think it will be more valuable in a few years? Do you think it will increase in value like the Eyetech AmigaOne has?

Oh wait:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amigaone-XE-G4-Earlybird-Edition-/180702087558?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a12af0986

Sold for £266.99 ($431 USD) with all included items. Research the cost of those peripherals+OS4 and you'll find the board by itself accounts for about $110.

I just don't see how a board like the X1000 which very, very few people have even heard of and which has zero impact on the world of computing will be gaining in value. Maybe a few years down the road some OS4 nostalgist would buy a used one, but only because they weren't able to afford the initial price.

[jorkany]

In the computing world today there are basically 2 options. Arm or x86. The X1000 is neither. The X1000 is Powerpc. It is a limited production run of maybe less than 250. It has a Xena chip that has direct access to the cpu. It is controversial. If all these things summed together doesn't make it exotic then i don't know what is. You don't think it can make a profit? The Walker did.

The Walker never even went into production, it was a prototype. No profit there.

The X1000 is destined to be given cult status unlike the generic Sams...

Please don't compared the X1000 to that G4 piece of crap or even the new Sams. They are nothing more than el cheapo boards that have expensive cpu's fitted *YAWNS*.

Also the X1000 has a Xcore chip that was designed specifically to work with the X1000.

Not sure where you've been getting your information (garden gnomes maybe?) but the chip you're referring to is made by XMOS and was not "designed specifically to work with the X1000". It's an off the shelf component anyone can order. Here's some information in case you want to order one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCore_XS1-L1
http://www.xmos.com/products/xs1-l-family/l1tq48

Sure you can argue that you can buy an add on xcore kit and save money but it's just not the same as it wouldn't work anywhere as good as the X1000 Xena would. Sure you can substitute cardboard for wood when building a table if you want to. Don't me stop you. This argument is dumb.

Put down the crack pipe - unless you're just trolling, in which case carry on.

[jorkany]

If you are on planet Earth it would have been obvious i was referring to this recent thread.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58649&page=5

It sold for 1100 Pounds. Did i ever say the Walker ever went into production? No i did not. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Okay, I see what you meant now, sorry. Referring to the thread would have helped but it's my mistake.

That's not what what i said. I never said the xcore was designed specifically for the X1000.

Maybe you should re-read your post.

What i said was the xcore and the X1000 were designed to work together.

They were not. The X1000 may have been designed to work with the Xcore, but the people at XMOS certainly made no effort at all to make sure their Xcore product works with the X1000.

They didn't just slap on the xcore chip on the X1000 motherboard and hope for the best, they put a lot of thought into it to make sure it would work well.

Yes, Varisys very likely did make sure it works on the X1000. XMOS had nothing to do with the design of the X1000 though, which is what you seem to have been implying recently. The Xcore is not a custom product.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm trolling? This thread is about a production update for a product i am obviously interested in. How is that trolling? :confused:

I'm surprised by how you managed to get my comments completely wrong like you have. Are you doing this deliberately? If not maybe you should get an IQ test?

Nope, not doing it deliberately but maybe your posts just don't make as much sense as you think they do, or maybe you just haven't really reviewed what is involved with the X1000. You were saying (in another post) that it had dual processors, which it does not. You then claimed the Xcore processor was designed for the X1000, then recanted that and claimed that the X1000 and Xcore were designed to work with each other, which they were not.

If you were truly as interested in the X1000 as you claim, I would expect you would know these things, hence I get the impression you may be trolling. Nothing wrong with that IMO, and if you aren't - well, then now you maybe know a bit more about the X1000 and the Xcore relationship.

However you still haven't explained how any of this will make the X1000 more valuable in the future. The Walker is worth money because it was an unfinished product that might have been the future of the Amiga. It's a rare glimpse into what could have happened to a widely known and respected product that the fanbase of the real Amiga miss and wish could have had a brighter future. The X1000 is a product nobody outside of a miniscule community know about or care about, it has no history, it makes zero impact in the world of computing, its probably future is failure, and nobody will miss it when it's gone - much like the Eyetech AmigaOne which currently sells for less than a set of stuffed donkey balls made in Tijuana. You claim it will increase in value, please give an believable explanation of why.

[jorkany]

@Kesa,

I just consider it a misunderstanding, so, sorry. Didn't mean to argue with you, carry on!

[jorkany]

@jorkany


while I can't speak for @kesa, i know of at least three engineers in my office who wish to purchase one for their collections, and none of them care about the amiga. the reasons that I have, for example, are:

1. the inclusion of a PA6T in a consumer product
2. a consumer-oriented desktop which is not (specifically) meant to run windows, OSX, or Linux
3. the inclusion of an XMOS processor which has it's own custom I/O and is accessible via the GPIO lines from the PA6T

two of my friends are buying it for reason #1 alone. bear in mind they are interested as collectors, not users, so it certainly doesn't suggest interest from general computer users per se -- but there are a few folks out there interested in it due to it's rarity, the back-story behind its design, and the silicon they've included on the board.

the terons weren't nearly as interesting given that they were evaluation boards using commodity parts that had been breathed on for the amiga community. the pegasos was more or less the same story, although slightly more interesting because it was designed from the get-go as the basis for a desktop system. the X1000 is significantly more desirable for a collector than either of those boards by a long way.

-- eliyahu

Interesting. Please post back if they actually DO buy. I have quite a few "collectible" systems here myself. In my time I've worked at places that built their own hardware running proprietary OSes, essentially the same thing as an X1000 (custom mobo, SoC, custom software, etc). Some of those products would be considered extremely rare, but I can't think of any reason anyone would want to collect one of those systems unless they had worked with them (nostalgia).