Wow! C-USA's first commercial.

[Amiga_Nut]

Come on, that is not reasonable to ask him what  his profit margin is.  I don't see anyone challenging A-EON or ACube on what they are purchasing their hardware and software/support for.

Fair point, but the X1000 is a terrible grossly inefficient and overly expensive design when they could have whispered "xbox360 motherboard" into IBM's ear and saved $1000 on the price. Most of that is because they have made terrible design decisions in their self-made bespoke technology. C= USA are either just slapping stickers on existing AIO PCs from China or at best putting stock x86 motherboards inside their bespoke cases. Quite a difference really considering the design of the case was already done for them in 1980 by the designer of the original VIC-20 casing mind

Ho hum.

[dammy]

The VIC Pro is a Cybernet ZPC-GX31. What do you think is customized about it?

No, it's based on that Cybernet model which Cybernet customized as per C=USA request.

[mongo]

No, it's based on that Cybernet model which Cybernet customized as per C=USA request.

Answer the question.

What do you think is customized about it?

[dammy]

http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/PhoenixOwnersGuide.pdf

They edited the Cybernet manual a little. It has CUSA's phone # and refers you to a part of the website that doesn't exist.

They also changed the copyright in the manual to ©Copyright 2010 Commodore USA, LLC. I'm not sure how that works. Can I take something that is copyrighted by someone else, change a few words and copyright it myself? Is that legal? Because if it is, I've got some editing to do.

Now the Phoenix was more then likely a white label but we are talking about the Vic Pro, not the Phoenix.  Vic Pro is a customized version of the Phoenix created by and produced by Cybernet.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure Leo will correct me on that one.

[mongo]

Now the Phoenix was more then likely a white label but we are talking about the Vic Pro, not the Phoenix.  Vic Pro is a customized version of the Phoenix created by and produced by Cybernet.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure Leo will correct me on that one.

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_VICPro.aspx

Click on the Gallery tab then download the "VIC-Pro Owners Guide" from the link.

Nothing customized about the VIC Pro beyond the standard options Cybernet offers, and a sticker, of course.

[dammy]

Answer the question.

What do you think is customized about it?

It was getting late at night for me and it's been couple of months now since Barry showed us the difference, but the exterior is different, the two have different mold colors. Something about black and silver around the keyboard were different on the exterior between the two.  I seem to remember that the mobo position was moved, think it was in reference to a new mobo with WIFI.  Barry wanted to make it very clear that the Vic Pro was different then the Cybernet model.

[Franko]

It was getting late at night for me and it's been couple of months now since Barry showed us the difference, but the exterior is different, the two have different mold colors. Something about black and silver around the keyboard were different on the exterior between the two.  I seem to remember that the mobo position was moved, think it was in reference to a new mobo with WIFI.  Barry wanted to make it very clear that the Vic Pro was different then the Cybernet model.

Do I detect excuses here...

and even a wee hint of you sounding as though with Barry demanding this and Barry demanding that of you, that you're beginning to wonder just what you've got yourself into... hmmm...

Do yourself & the rest of us a favour Dammy & bail out while you still can...

[tone007]

If only the differences were clear!  Sounds like possibly a different revision that Cybernet will most likely also be selling, though usually WiFi is a MiniPCI addon (redesigning a motherboard to have it integrated seems like a waste.)

$100 less, without WiFi:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Zero-Footprint-PC-Duo-2-93GHz-3MB-Processor-2GB-SD_W0QQitemZ280487322532QQcategoryZ37821QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp5197.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8266865179676164712

Hey look, they don't seem to be selling at that price, either.

[dammy]

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_VICPro.aspx

Click on the Gallery tab then download the "VIC-Pro Owners Guide" from the link.

Nothing customized about the VIC Pro beyond the standard options Cybernet offers, and a sticker, of course.

I think I just now noticed they mixed and match the Vic PRO and the Cybernet model pictures on the web page.  Notice some show black surrounding the keyboard, top heat vents, and the glide mat area and some show silver instead.  Silver one has the C= logo on it which is the Vic-Pro, the black is the standard Cybernet model.  Leo needs to redo the images used.

[Franko]

I think I just now noticed they mixed and match the Vic PRO and the Cybernet model pictures on the web page.  Notice some show black surrounding the keyboard, top heat vents, and the glide mat area and some show silver instead.  Silver one has the C= logo on it which is the Vic-Pro, the black is the standard Cybernet model.  Leo needs to redo the images used.

More doubt's creeping in eh Dammy...

Bail out while you still can...

[mongo]

It was getting late at night for me and it's been couple of months now since Barry showed us the difference, but the exterior is different, the two have different mold colors. Something about black and silver around the keyboard were different on the exterior between the two.  I seem to remember that the mobo position was moved, think it was in reference to a new mobo with WIFI.  Barry wanted to make it very clear that the Vic Pro was different then the Cybernet model.

Do a Google image search for ZPC-GX31, you'll see that they come in different colours.

Cybernet offers 9 different WiFi options for the ZPC-GX31. Do you really think they are going to design and make a new motherboard just for Barry?

VIC Pro motherboard : http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/PhoenixBig8.jpg

Cybernet ZPC-GX31 motherboard : http://www.cybernetman.com/files/siteContent/photo_downloads/2/Bottom_layer_ZPC_look.jpg

Note that both say "MS-7517 VER : 1.0".

[tone007]

Hey look, MiniPCI WiFi.  That's about a $20 option.

[mongo]

I think I just now noticed they mixed and match the Vic PRO and the Cybernet model pictures on the web page.  Notice some show black surrounding the keyboard, top heat vents, and the glide mat area and some show silver instead.  Silver one has the C= logo on it which is the Vic-Pro, the black is the standard Cybernet model.  Leo needs to redo the images used.

So, you're saying the VIC Pro looks like this : http://www.cybernetman.com/files/siteContent/photo_downloads/2/Top_layer_ZPC_look.jpg

[haywirepc]

More excuses, half truths, and bold faced lies.
 
Everything they are selling except this c64 retro cased one is a sticker slapped on an existing product for a 25-50% markup. Hey, printing those commodore stickers is expensive, stop bitching!
 
After paying 30 million dollars for advertising, they are running out of money for stickers. Everyone just buy their crap and stop revealing their lies and bullshit, your getting on their nerves.

[mongo]

More excuses, half truths, and bold faced lies.
 
Everything they are selling except this c64 retro cased one is a sticker slapped on an existing product for a 25-50% markup. Hey, printing those commodore stickers is expensive, stop bitching!
 
After paying 30 million dollars for advertising, they are running out of money for stickers. Everyone just buy their crap and stop revealing their lies and bullshit, your getting on their nerves.

100% markup for the VIC Slim.

[tone007]

VIC Pro motherboard : http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/PhoenixBig8.jpg

Cybernet ZPC-GX31 motherboard : http://www.cybernetman.com/files/siteContent/photo_downloads/2/Bottom_layer_ZPC_look.jpg

I wonder if Cybernet sells them without the CYBERNET logo stamped into the heatsink or if they paid the CUSA photoshop guy overtime to clean it up on their picture.