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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: SysAdmin on June 09, 2010, 06:04:56 PM
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http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/timberwolf_install.lha
News item via tfrieden (http://www.amigans.net/userinfo.php?uid=27) from amigans.net
We're happy to announce the availability of the first Alpha release of Timberwolf, the AmigaOS port of the popular Firefox browser.
Timberwolf needs AmigaOS 4.1 Update 2 installed. Please read the documentation for information about usage and limitations.
This is an alpha release, meaning it will have a lot of problems still, and be slower than it should be. We are releasing it as a small "Thank you" to all those that have donated in the past, to show that development is still going on.
Timberwolf is available on os4depot.net (http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/timberwolf_install.lha) . For further information and feedback, check the Timberwolf support forum (http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=37) on amigans.net.
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This is great news!
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Totally awesome news, I'm gonna try this baby tonight! YAY!
Thanks Friedens!
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Darn... wish I was not at the office! Darn! :D
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Good news for OS4.1 users!
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Bad news for 4.0 ones. :)
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W00t great news!
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Congrats! Thanx for all the hard work on Project Timberwolf! Some said this day would never come but it is here.
Finally Firefox for Amiga OS!
For those that complain about Amiga.org not looking good on Amiga browers here is a solution for you. If your version of Amiga OS is too old to run Timberwolf maybe it's finally time to upgrade.
I look forward to the final version of Timberworf. I ran this Alpha version just now and it's better than what I expected.
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It would be cool if somebody who has OS4.1 could make a video showing Timberwolf in action and post it on Youtube - I would be interested in seeing what it looks like, how it performs, etc.
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Timberwolf on micro A1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUc7hXUAX8) video on YouTube.
There was a little grim at the beginning, which was not appearing if did not run AmigaAMP, but I needed soundtrack.
The sound coming from the Amiga is not disturbed by the browser.
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Will you guys please port/buy/beg/borrow/steal a desktop vidcap tool. I swear this is the nth Amiga video I have seen that is of the "point the SureShot at the monitor with one hand and work with the other" variety and it's just painful to watch. 1 second in, bam, nope, closed.
So...please :)
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Come on mate that's a bit rude considering it was just a quick video uploaded on day of release for people who don't have OS4 machines (99.999999% of the world!) AND the poster's other videos are not mobile phone aimed at screen type videos at all.
In general I agree with what you say but if people just want to see it running and it's been out less than a day I think there are nicer ways to ask for a direct output video to be uploaded.
Nice to see it in action anyway, thanks Doc :)
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hrmmmm Classic systems only support 4.0, correct? I am excluded with MorphOS (darn it,) and would not be able to partake even with my PPC 4000 with OS4.0. Double darn!
Great work, though, guys, seriously. Love seeing new Amiga developments.
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Great work but I'm suprised they didn't wait to the X1000 'launch' to release it.
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Thanks very much for posting the video, I am really impressed with Timberwolf, great work by Hyperion.
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Timberwolf on micro A1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUc7hXUAX8) video on YouTube.
There was a little grim at the beginning, which was not appearing if did not run AmigaAMP, but I needed soundtrack.
The sound coming from the Amiga is not disturbed by the browser.
What is the music u used from the video from? :)
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YaaaaaaaaaaaaaHooooooooooooo :drink::laugh1::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
big thanks to the Bro's for delivering for us yet again!!!
This is big news for Amiga baby!!!
For an alpha it runs supringly quick on my Samflex@800 with no crashes:)
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Alright, alright... Where can I buy that OS 4.1...
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Great work but I'm suprised they didn't wait to the X1000 'launch' to release it.
Well, in their defense it's an alpha release; I'm sure a full featured release will accompany the new board, yes?
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looks great!! was it playing a flash video on wikipedia??!?
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looks great!! was it playing a flash video on wikipedia??!?
Some kind of ogg video i think.
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Very nice indeed. :D
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redfox
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This will make others that are not part of the Amiga scene take Amiga OS 4.1 more seriously.
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What is the music u used from the video from? :)
Its from AmigaRemix.com - Peter W - Turrican II (Concerto For Laser And Enemies Enhanced Mix).mp3
Sorry about not the perfect quality of the video. It was quickly shot. I did not edit it. As I said the Guru does not appear if there was no AmigaAMP running in the background. But I wanted to have nice Amiga music for the video and to show that it can multitask without bringing the whole system down. You can see me even typing errorneusly in excitement.
Usually I do lots of preparation and edit for my videos, before releasining to the public. This time I wanted to show to the curios Amiga people what is the first Alpha version of a browser they waited for more than a decade.
Thanks for the comments.
Regards
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What is the music u used from the video from? :)
turrican 2 world 3 space ship bit I think. (a cover of it perhaps ?)
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Great work but I'm suprised they didn't wait to the X1000 'launch' to release it.
Well the two projects are really independent. Hyperion and A-EON are doing the X1000 while Thomas and Hans-Joerg are working on Timberwolf. It just so happens that Thomas and HJF also work for Hyperion on the X1000 project. 8-)
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Its from AmigaRemix.com - Peter W - Turrican II (Concerto For Laser And Enemies Enhanced Mix).mp3
Sorry about not the perfect quality of the video. It was quickly shot. I did not edit it. As I said the Guru does not appear if there was no AmigaAMP running in the background. But I wanted to have nice Amiga music for the video and to show that it can multitask without bringing the whole system down. You can see me even typing errorneusly in excitement.
Usually I do lots of preparation and edit for my videos, before releasining to the public. This time I wanted to show to the curios Amiga people what is the first Alpha version of a browser they waited for more than a decade.
Thanks for the comments.
Regards
Thank you and also Buzz from helping me out. I found it. Great video too.
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@AmigaMance
OS4.0 users still have OWB. Surely, that's a good thing still.
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This will make others that are not part of the Amiga scene take Amiga OS 4.1 more seriously.
How so? I mean, what does this offer that OWB can't provide?
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How so? I mean, what does this offer that OWB can't provide?
Name recondition and branding. Like it or hate it Firefox is one of the most used software applications in the world. OWB is awesome too but who has heard of it? Few outside of the Amiga community. The Webkit engine powering OWB is of course very nice and powers Safari too.
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Name recondition and branding. Like it or hate it Firefox is one of the most used software applications in the world.
But this is not using the Firefox branding, but has it's own name called Timberwolf (and its own logotype?) that is even less known than OWB?
(BTW, What was the reason to this again, I can't remember? Why can't they simply call it Firefox and enjoy the brand recognition?)
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Everyone knows it's Firefox.
:)
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/09/2031216/Timberwolf-aka-Firefox-Alpha-1-For-AmigaOS?art_pos=10
http://www.osnews.com/story/23431/Firefox_on_Amiga_Timberwolf_Goes_Alpha
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Will you guys please port/buy/beg/borrow/steal a desktop vidcap tool. I swear this is the nth Amiga video I have seen that is of the "point the SureShot at the monitor with one hand and work with the other" variety and it's just painful to watch. 1 second in, bam, nope, closed.
So...please :)
Desktop video capture is available for AmigaOS 4, but I don't use it because it does not capture sound output.
If I used it, people would say that the video is faked at faster speed. Desktop capture also takes up resources. Like the AmigaAMP player I used in the background.
Even now, I saw a comment where someone said the video is too slow. Heck then Timberwolf must be faster.
I swear I recorded the video and uploaded it to Youtube directly as taken from the Digital camera memory card (FujiFilm FinePix F50fd 12.0). I was going to record more, but the raw file was already 150 MB and took me an hour to upload.
About the shaking. I looked today for easels at the camera shop. They are not that expensive. I shall buy one, if I am going to record more screens of the Amiga.
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I'm surprised at how responsive it is. I used to run an old Athlon at 800Mhz with Win2K and Firefox was slow.
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Everyone knows it's Firefox.
:)
Indeed!
And in the same sense, and by the same logic about branding, everyone at those sites also knows that MorphOS is Amiga NG running on Mac HW! :)
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Well, to comment the news item itself, I just want to say congratulations to the developers. Looks very good for an Alpha. :)
(Let's not compare it to the latest MorphOS OWB until it at least reach beta ;) )
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Indeed!
And in the same sense, and by the same logic about branding, everyone at those sites also knows that MorphOS is Amiga NG running on Mac HW! :)
morphos is amigaos code ported to another platform? i think the devs might disagree with all the hard work they put in. i never would have thought you would belittle it.
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@Derf
*MY* point in the discussion (about Timberwolf, *and not* about MorphOS) is solely about TRADE MARKS obviously, not about code.
Like:
"This will make others that are not part of the Amiga scene take Amiga OS 4.1 more seriously". (It's not called Firefox)
"How so?" (It's not called Firefox)
"Name recondition and branding. Like it or hate it Firefox is one of the most used software applications in the world." (It's not called Firefox)
"But this is not using the Firefox branding, but has it's own name called Timberwolf (and its own logotype?) that is even less known than OWB?" (It's not called Firefox)
"Everyone knows it's Firefox.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06...aOS?art_pos=10
http://www.osnews.com/story/23431/Fi...olf_Goes_Alpha" (It's not called Firefox)
My question is: Why not call it Firefox?
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My question is: Why not call it Firefox?
Far too much work was put into it by non-Mozilla people to let Mozilla's name stay on it!
Timberwolf: like Firefox, only better!
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@takemegrandma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Trademark_and_logo
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@takemegrandma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Trademark_and_logo
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Everyone knows it's Firefox.
:)
Well, Firefox was ported to RISCOS years ago with lot of fanfares but it was not enough to push RISCOS forward. It just isnt enough have some branded applications ported over.
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I shall be giving this one a spin sometime tomorrow :)
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Lazy port. Eg. the toolbar imagery should be using AISS or similar. It doesn't really look like an Amiga app at all.
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Everyone knows it's Firefox.
:)
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/09/2031216/Timberwolf-aka-Firefox-Alpha-1-For-AmigaOS?art_pos=10
http://www.osnews.com/story/23431/Firefox_on_Amiga_Timberwolf_Goes_Alpha
Did a quick test. I asked five IT-people what is Timberwolf.. none of them couldn't tell ;-)
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@hooligan
Pretty sure since the changes to the code that make this work on Amiga OS 4.1 are being kept close source they can't call it Firefox. Mozilla Foundation would not allow it.
Move = MorphOS 2.5 comes out.
Move = Timberwolf beta for Amiga OS 4.1.
Move = MorphOS Team, your move.
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@Pyromania
So how do you think the browsing experience of Timberwolf compares to OWB on MorphOS?
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Lazy port. Eg. the toolbar imagery should be using AISS or similar. It doesn't really look like an Amiga app at all.
Firefox doesn't really look like a native app on any OS. And with good reason. You are aware that firefox uses it's own user interface library code on each supported platform and as such has it's own OS independent look-and-feel, right?
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(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/810/large/1_timberwolf.png)
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3250)
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@Pyromania
So how do you think the browsing experience of Timberwolf compares to OWB on MorphOS?
I realise that was aimed at someone else, but I can tell you right now that OWB on OS4.1 is faster and less buggy. Of course, I wouldn't expect anything less; OWB isn't an early alpha release and Timberwolf is.
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Firefox doesn't really look like a native app on any OS. And with good reason. You are aware that firefox uses it's own user interface library code on each supported platform and as such has it's own OS independent look-and-feel, right?
This is true, however it normally feels a little more native than it currently does on the Amiga. For example, the menus at the top of the window will feel right at home on Windows or Linux, but the Mac port uses the OSX native menu system (i.e. at the top of the screen) and the preference window etc. use native GUI elements. Maybe it's on the way some time in the future, which is fine. I'd much rather it was running fast and stable before they start doing OS integration like that...
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This is true, however it normally feels a little more native than it currently does on the Amiga. For example, the menus at the top of the window will feel right at home on Windows or Linux, but the Mac port uses the OSX native menu system (i.e. at the top of the screen) and the preference window etc. use native GUI elements. Maybe it's on the way some time in the future, which is fine. I'd much rather it was running fast and stable before they start doing OS integration like that...
http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=44
"the goal is to make a real port that has as many AmigaOS specific features as possible. "
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Yep, and for now, as I said, I'm sure the priority is to get it actually working reliably before they need to bother with superficial stuff like that. I'm sure it'll happen, but I'd prefer a fully working version with Linux-type menus than a non-working version with Amiga menus.
Anyway, I think I read somewhere that the Amiga menu system didn't support enough features to do the Firefox menus properly... Maybe we'll get new menus in OS4.2 ;)
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http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/timberwolf_install.lha
News item via tfrieden (http://www.amigans.net/userinfo.php?uid=27) from amigans.net
We're happy to announce the availability of the first Alpha release of Timberwolf, the AmigaOS port of the popular Firefox browser.
This is amazing news and makes me want an X1000 even more. Now, once Firefox is in the can, how about someone start on OpenOffice?
I mean - OpenOffice, Firefox and a good email client and you have a machine that does the majority of what users need a machine to do.
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I mean - OpenOffice, Firefox and a good email client and you have a machine that does the majority of what users need a machine to do.
Now you could just go dumpster diving to find a machine capable of doing that now.
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@Pyromania
So how do you think the browsing experience of Timberwolf compares to OWB on MorphOS?
OWB on MorphOS is a great browser. I even played HTML5 YouTube videos with it. Since Timberwolf is still in Alpha form not really fair to compare it with OWB jut yet but I will once it is further along. You must admit having Firefox on a modern Amiga OS is quite an achievement.
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This is amazing news and makes me want an X1000 even more. Now, once Firefox is in the can, how about someone start on OpenOffice?
I mean - OpenOffice, Firefox and a good email client and you have a machine that does the majority of what users need a machine to do.
Someone is working on it
http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/EnvironmentSetup/AmigaOS
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reminds me of the blue BeOS theme I had on ZETA last year
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This is amazing news and makes me want an X1000 even more. Now, once Firefox is in the can, how about someone start on OpenOffice?
I mean - OpenOffice, Firefox and a good email client and you have a machine that does the majority of what users need a machine to do.
All you need to sell a machine to 95% of users worldwide is the following...
Something like MS Office (even though nobody actually uses it more than once a decade except students and office workers...most of which have to use Windows for one reason or another)
Full featured browser that does everything Google chrome does and just as fast (facebook/youtube HD/Java/JS/Flash/HTML 5.0 etc).
Media player that can fully utilise every component of the 'Vista Codec Pack' or VLC
Torrent client....goes hand in hand with above.
Windows Live Messenger client
That's about it really as people play games on Consoles,which is why full price PC games market is in the toilet and EA will probably give up on it soon at this rate, and the other CPU intensive tasks like rendering complex animations in Maya cover the tiny minority of oct/quad core PC builders.
Trouble is price, x1000 is not a mass market machine, not even close when an xbox 360 PPC Xenon + x1900 motherboard chimes in at $200 or something. People expect 5x the performance for 5x the cost, fact of life.
So the OS alone won't make Amiga come back to life no matter how awesome it is, the hardware worth laying down cash for by 95% of the world hasn't been made yet.
I hope there is an x500 in development for $500 and a built in GPU onboard ;)
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You must admit having Firefox on a modern Amiga OS is quite an achievement.
I still remember when Amiga was a leader, not a follower.
(yes I know it's OS4 we're talking about here, but even I will acede that it is Amiga-like)
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I still remember when Amiga was a leader, not a follower.
(yes I know it's OS4 we're talking about here, but even I will acede that it is Amiga-like)
Sour grapes as usual.
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yes I know it's OS4 we're talking about here, but even I will acede that it is Amiga-like
That's quite possibly the least negative thing you've ever said about OS4. Sir, I believe you are going soft in your old age :lol:
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That's about it really as people play games on Consoles,which is why full price PC games market is in the toilet and EA will probably give up on it soon at this rate, and the other CPU intensive tasks like rendering complex animations in Maya cover the tiny minority of oct/quad core PC builders.
Epic and ID have already jumped ship and announced that any future titles they do will be aimed at consoles primarily.
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@hooligan
Pretty sure since the changes to the code that make this work on Amiga OS 4.1 are being kept close source they can't call it Firefox. Mozilla Foundation would not allow it.
Move = MorphOS 2.5 comes out.
Move = Timberwolf beta for Amiga OS 4.1.
Move = MorphOS Team, your move.
Indeed, good stuff.
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I still remember when Amiga was a leader, not a follower.
I remember 1991 too! A glorious year it was.
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I remember 1991 too! A glorious year it was.
My first amiga, A600 (1991). Tors Gate in Stavanger, remember Spaceworld in Løkkeveien
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@takemegrandma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Trademark_and_logo
Exactly my point!
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Will you guys please port/buy/beg/borrow/steal a desktop vidcap tool. I swear this is the nth Amiga video I have seen that is of the "point the SureShot at the monitor with one hand and work with the other" variety and it's just painful to watch. 1 second in, bam, nope, closed.
So...please :)
You mean like SRec that has been available for over 2 years?
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/record/srec.lha
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I still remember when Amiga was a leader, not a follower.
there was a time when the PC was a follower and see where is now ;-)
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there was a time when the PC was a follower and see where is now ;-)
Being supplanted by cell phones and other portables :p :)
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Lazy port. Eg. the toolbar imagery should be using AISS or similar. It doesn't really look like an Amiga app at all.
IT'S ALPHA STILL:whack:...it says in the readme and Rogue mentioned it numerous times that it will be addressed in the next update ..or two
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..a bit off topic, but does anyone know if it's possible to buy OS4.1 for AmigaOne anymore? All I see on Amigakit is OS4.1 for SAM. They aren't the same, are they?
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..a bit off topic, but does anyone know if it's possible to buy OS4.1 for AmigaOne anymore? All I see on Amigakit is OS4.1 for SAM. They aren't the same, are they?
There'll be differences in the supplied drivers and some under the HAL stuff too I expect.
I bought my copy of OS4.1 for A1XE from amigakit must be, what, 10 months ago now?
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Yes, i.e. http://www.vesalia.de or http://www.acube-systems.biz
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..a bit off topic, but does anyone know if it's possible to buy OS4.1 for AmigaOne anymore? All I see on Amigakit is OS4.1 for SAM. They aren't the same, are they?
yep, they're different so email Amigakit and find out when they get them in stock...I knew you'd eventually cave in tone:)
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Tors Gate in Stavanger, remember Spaceworld in Løkkeveien
Hehe.. You too.:roflmao:
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Well, I hate them really. They would not repaie my C64 tape player.
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Yes, i.e. http://www.vesalia.de or http://www.acube-systems.biz
Out of stock at vesalia as well, and acube doesn't seem to have a setup to sell it online.
Guess I'm just out of luck!
edit: ah, looks like comp-connection.com might have it... Hopefully it doesn't get smashed in shipping like my last purchase from them!